For the drums my theory is that the overdubbed part which can be heard being punched in at 8:21 is probably Ringo with Paul hitting a snare and also adding in fills as well. Throughout we can hear a snare just hitting the downbeat which is probably Paul and the rest is Ringo. This isn't too odd as they had done the same about a year earlier for Good Morning Good Morning. So when Ringo returned he along with Paul rerecorded that second half to get a more powerful drum sound as the end of Dear Prudence is very grand. There is also another drum overdub at 8:27 heard in the left channel.
As a drummer for 59 years, my feeling has always been that it is Paul on drums here. His style is far different than Ringo's; a more excited, slightly heavier, more forward way of playing. It can be heard all over McCartney's first solo album. Ringo's style is more casual, languid, and confident. Even as a young drummer age 11, I suspected the drums on Dear Prudence (and Back In The USSR) was not Ringo. According to Beatles biographers and experts/researchers whom I would consider reliable, Paul, not Ringo, played drums on both. While Ringo will always be the GOAT, Paul is a damn fine drummer in his own right.
I agree with you 100%. And I'll say more: If Ringo was out of the Beatles for 2 WEEKS, starting on August 22nd, and the song was recorded and the due overdubs were done from August 28th to 30th, why the hell do people insist on saying that it was Ringo playing on this? These drum fills are not Ringo's pattern, neither here nor anywhere else.
@@SeboDigital You are spot on regarding Ringo's departure/dates. I believe he was on Peter Sellers' yacht in the Mediterranean at the time. (Glad they got him back, though!)
We have both the people of contention still alive today, hope someday they give us an answer before they leave us. But then again, that'd be a very Beatles thing to do to leave it unexplained.
Ringo does not participate in Back in the USSR and this song he left the studio angry because he thought they did not want him and then he came back for the next song
Where has that ever been verified? Listening to this makes me think it’s Paul more than ever. Ringo never does snare work like that. It just doesn’t sound like his style at all
Despite whoever played the drum part, it's nothing Ringo couldn't replicate himself. This was just two years after "Rain" which is Ringo's best drumwork. This drum part? A walk in the park for him.
My frustration with Giles who has free access to everything at Abbey Road is only a casual fan of the Beatles unlike most of us. During the 50th white album press junket he was asked about this song and if Ringo added drums to that end part. He was clueless as to even what this was about. If I had his access I would go through all the notes and tape boxes and I’m sure there would a record of that overdub and who did it. But he didn’t look for it because he didn’t know.
I'd cut Giles some slack as he himself admitted that he doesn't have the best knowledge. The booklets for the resent sets are normally put together by someone else like in the team, and I'm sure who ever was in charge of them do have access to the tape box. Even then the tape boxes usually only have what instrument was on what track since there isn't a lot of writing room to put who played what. But I think if Ringo did come back and record on the song I think the best evidence we could have is an external account like Mal saying Ringo did or someone else in the inner circle.
@@Greenames Do keep in mind that it isn't just Giles doing it by himself. He has Sam Okell and the rest of the Abbey Road team helping as well. He's just a great figure head and person they can easily market. I think he does a great job with remixing the albums as well. He makes decisions that respect the original mixes most of the time of course there are some misses, but for me most of his mixes have become my default. I look at the latest Queen re-release and see them using auto tune and think we got it good. Giles also worked under his dad with projects like Love so got first hand experience with the man himself.
Пол Маккартни был и талантливым композитором и непревзойденным аранжировщиком. Из любой песни, он мог сделать конфетку. если бы не он, то эта песня звучала бы как треки в альбоме Джона Леннона plastic on a bend
Paul played both drum parts. It is so obvious that Paul is trying to do a great imitation of Ringo on the overdubbed Coda. There is not one record that says Ringo came in and did an overdub.
Well, there is evidence against that: the final "drum solo" part is a overdub, actually made from a different drum kit. There is, deep down on the music, a supressed drum part of this moment in wich there wasnt a solo, only a simple time-keeping (likely by Paul). It is likely that Paul played everything and, when Ringo came back, with a new drum kit, he decided to record his "solo". Also, take a look on the drumming style on that part: it is messy, mainly using the toms, no full drum fill (Ringo couldn't do a proper fill because he was a left-handed player on a right-handed kit), and the list goes on. And compare it to other musics in wich he does similar things: Helter Skelter, Blue Jay Way, I Am The Walrus and Rain. I guess it is more likely that they added a overdub later than simply Paul's playing. I have heard playing sometimes. It doesn't match to me.
@@claudiabarata6168The fills on Dear Prudence at the end are messy which is very un-Ringo like. Listen to Kreen-Akrore. The drumming sounds like this. Paul and not Ringo.
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 I still think it’s just Paul. Ringo walked out on August 22. Prudence was recorded August 28-30 at Trident, and Ringo returned on September 3. There is no evidence of any further overdubs being done at EMI.
@@Henry3Studios absolutely right. Leave it to the people who think it was Ringo. This is getting boring. We show them evidence, they come with "guesses".
As a first generation beatle fan I've read all the books I've read everything I've watched the interviews Paul McCartney is playing drums on back in USSR and on Dear Prudence. Let's move on now.
Compared to what I used before, yes : check out my two deconstructions of Hey Jude and I think you can hear how far the technology has come pretty easily
For the drums my theory is that the overdubbed part which can be heard being punched in at 8:21 is probably Ringo with Paul hitting a snare and also adding in fills as well. Throughout we can hear a snare just hitting the downbeat which is probably Paul and the rest is Ringo. This isn't too odd as they had done the same about a year earlier for Good Morning Good Morning. So when Ringo returned he along with Paul rerecorded that second half to get a more powerful drum sound as the end of Dear Prudence is very grand. There is also another drum overdub at 8:27 heard in the left channel.
No Ringo participation on this song. He wasn't there, the fills are comped together, it's not a "performance."
Those backing vocals.. especially the deep bass vocal is so subtle it hides perfectly
25:05 will always be my favorite part!! So eerie, great harmonies and it fits perfectly to this song!!
As a drummer for 59 years, my feeling has always been that it is Paul on drums here. His style is far different than Ringo's; a more excited, slightly heavier, more forward way of playing. It can be heard all over McCartney's first solo album. Ringo's style is more casual, languid, and confident. Even as a young drummer age 11, I suspected the drums on Dear Prudence (and Back In The USSR) was not Ringo. According to Beatles biographers and experts/researchers whom I would consider reliable, Paul, not Ringo, played drums on both. While Ringo will always be the GOAT, Paul is a damn fine drummer in his own right.
I agree with you 100%. And I'll say more: If Ringo was out of the Beatles for 2 WEEKS, starting on August 22nd, and the song was recorded and the due overdubs were done from August 28th to 30th, why the hell do people insist on saying that it was Ringo playing on this? These drum fills are not Ringo's pattern, neither here nor anywhere else.
@@SeboDigital You are spot on regarding Ringo's departure/dates. I believe he was on Peter Sellers' yacht in the Mediterranean at the time. (Glad they got him back, though!)
@@markshostrom4942 yeah. That´s correct!
Incredible as always. I had never heard the original drum part before, thank you for isolating it.
We have both the people of contention still alive today, hope someday they give us an answer before they leave us. But then again, that'd be a very Beatles thing to do to leave it unexplained.
Ringo does not participate in Back in the USSR and this song he left the studio angry because he thought they did not want him and then he came back for the next song
some of the drum fills at the end of ‘Dear Prudence’ are definitely Ringo
Ringo came back and did the drum fills at the end of the song.
Where has that ever been verified? Listening to this makes me think it’s Paul more than ever. Ringo never does snare work like that. It just doesn’t sound like his style at all
@@Jimmie_Rudolfsson There is no written evidence that he did.
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 yeah, you saw him playing in it. You are right. Lol!
Wow that bass sound!
Despite whoever played the drum part, it's nothing Ringo couldn't replicate himself. This was just two years after "Rain" which is Ringo's best drumwork.
This drum part? A walk in the park for him.
Amazing deconstruction, thank you!
Who cares who plays drums, it's one of the Beatles' best. Definitely one of my favorites. John's vocals are amazing.
20:32 George is eyeing that parrot down. Might be hungry 😆
Glorious backing vox.
Probably favorite bassline from Paul...
It follows and evolves around the bass notes on Lennon’s guitar motif. But yeah, great one.
Masterpiece.
My frustration with Giles who has free access to everything at Abbey Road is only a casual fan of the Beatles unlike most of us. During the 50th white album press junket he was asked about this song and if Ringo added drums to that end part. He was clueless as to even what this was about. If I had his access I would go through all the notes and tape boxes and I’m sure there would a record of that overdub and who did it. But he didn’t look for it because he didn’t know.
Totally agree with you. Sometimes seems like the listings for personnel in the recent boxes are just guesses.
I'd cut Giles some slack as he himself admitted that he doesn't have the best knowledge. The booklets for the resent sets are normally put together by someone else like in the team, and I'm sure who ever was in charge of them do have access to the tape box. Even then the tape boxes usually only have what instrument was on what track since there isn't a lot of writing room to put who played what. But I think if Ringo did come back and record on the song I think the best evidence we could have is an external account like Mal saying Ringo did or someone else in the inner circle.
That's a really fair point too, which is why I'm still unsure myself : it sounds really Ringo-ish, but all the evidence leads to Paul
It's ridiculous to have someone remix these songs who is a casual fan. They should have asked Jeff Lynne to do it.
@@Greenames Do keep in mind that it isn't just Giles doing it by himself. He has Sam Okell and the rest of the Abbey Road team helping as well. He's just a great figure head and person they can easily market. I think he does a great job with remixing the albums as well. He makes decisions that respect the original mixes most of the time of course there are some misses, but for me most of his mixes have become my default. I look at the latest Queen re-release and see them using auto tune and think we got it good. Giles also worked under his dad with projects like Love so got first hand experience with the man himself.
I always thought it was Paul on drums. This is the first song I think of with Paul on drums, pretty sure it's him
some of the drum-fills at the end are Ringo
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 no they're not, Ringo wasn't there.
Пол Маккартни был и талантливым композитором и непревзойденным аранжировщиком. Из любой песни, он мог сделать конфетку. если бы не он, то эта песня звучала бы как треки в альбоме Джона Леннона plastic on a bend
Paul played both drum parts. It is so obvious that Paul is trying to do a great imitation of Ringo on the overdubbed Coda. There is not one record that says Ringo came in and did an overdub.
Well, there is evidence against that: the final "drum solo" part is a overdub, actually made from a different drum kit. There is, deep down on the music, a supressed drum part of this moment in wich there wasnt a solo, only a simple time-keeping (likely by Paul). It is likely that Paul played everything and, when Ringo came back, with a new drum kit, he decided to record his "solo". Also, take a look on the drumming style on that part: it is messy, mainly using the toms, no full drum fill (Ringo couldn't do a proper fill because he was a left-handed player on a right-handed kit), and the list goes on. And compare it to other musics in wich he does similar things: Helter Skelter, Blue Jay Way, I Am The Walrus and Rain. I guess it is more likely that they added a overdub later than simply Paul's playing. I have heard playing sometimes. It doesn't match to me.
@@claudiabarata6168it’s definitely Ringo on a few of those fills
@@claudiabarata6168 Sorry but I do not agree.
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 Likely on all fills from the end. Listen to "Back In The U.S.S.R." and "Maybe I'm Amazed". The fills dont match.
@@claudiabarata6168The fills on Dear Prudence at the end are messy which is very un-Ringo like. Listen to Kreen-Akrore. The drumming sounds like this. Paul and not Ringo.
Both Ringo and Paul played the drums part is my guess, who knows?
I think just Paul
some or the drum-fills are Ringo. listen to the track and you’ll hear Ringo with zest punch-in a few
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 I still think it’s just Paul. Ringo walked out on August 22. Prudence was recorded August 28-30 at Trident, and Ringo returned on September 3. There is no evidence of any further overdubs being done at EMI.
@@Henry3Studios absolutely right. Leave it to the people who think it was Ringo. This is getting boring. We show them evidence, they come with "guesses".
no one can convince me that a few of those drum-fills at the end are not Ringo, not even Ringo himself
I was just thinking exactly the same. 👍
if Ringo said, “I didn’t play on that” I would say, “Yeah he did, he just doesn’t remember.”
As a first generation beatle fan I've read all the books I've read everything I've watched the interviews Paul McCartney is playing drums on back in USSR and on Dear Prudence. Let's move on now.
some of the drum-fills at the end of ‘Dear Prudence’ are definitely without a doubt Ringo
@@notanotherjamesmurphy5574 Please, move on! It's Paul, Ringo wasn't around... sigh
Do you notice a vast improvement in clarity of files / stems when using the newest technology to separate the tracks ?
Compared to what I used before, yes : check out my two deconstructions of Hey Jude and I think you can hear how far the technology has come pretty easily
This was recorded on 8 track, the more tracks, the easier to get stems.
No Ringo at all. Just Paul overdubbing multiple different drum parts that were edited together.
Yes, exactly.
Las guitarras de JL son lisérgicas....
One of my favorite Beatles songs...but I cannot stand the 16th notes on the high hat. Too stiff.