I hated how Wes died without knowing who his real father was or knowing his own son. And I hated the reason he died as well as the fact that the Mahoney's were a bunch of rich people who wanted to get away with murder, but because Annalise didn't bow down, they sent a hit on her while she's pregnant killing her unborn son. It's worse when anyone who says she's not a mother and then that car crash and hospital scene hit you. It reminds me of Patrick Jane from the Mentalist a little bit.
I doubt they'll address it now, but when you start to think about Charles' age, you begin to see something fishy is going on. How old was he when Rose got pregnant with Christophe/Wes? Wes was born in 1993. Even if Charles is 40 in Season 2 (present day is 2015), when we see him in the present day (and he looks younger than 40), then he would only have been 18 when Wes was born. And frankly, he doesn't look like he's 40. The same actor portrays him in the Season 3 flashback, which takes place before Rose dies in 2005, which means he was at least 20 then. That places his birth date between 1975 and 1985. Which means he got Rose pregnant between the ages of 8 and 18. So, unless he's really at that upper range, it at least suggests that instead of Rose being raped, that she might have raped him. Even if he was willing, given that Rose was older, it would likely be deemed statutory rape. So, the fact that Charles is Wes' dad, changes everything.
@@paulpenna5615 Interesting - just looking at this again to try and guess what might happen in the finale. This scene is really confusing......and feels like there is more to the story, lets see if any of this is explained
I don't think they will answer it. But I've always thought, since the reveal, that Rose might not have been raped. That she in fact raped Charles. Consider that Wes was born in 1993. We don't know how old Charles is, but at the very least, he would have had to have been a teenager when Wes was conceived. Maybe he was 18, but maybe he was younger. It at least suggests that it might have been Rose in the wrong. And child abuse has been an ongoing theme in the series, so it certainly isn't outside the realm of possibilities.
Is it just me or do you want to see like one of the k5 at the end go to Wes’s grave and see Charles putting flowers or heck Charles mom putting flowers just to know someone still remembers him and to see they took responsibility for him being family like what they should have done from the beginning
Is it wrong that next season I hope that Annalise and Laurel find out and tell Sylvia Mahoney the truth that it was Laurel's father who gave the order to kill Wes, therefore getting the Mahoney's on their side to try and take him down next season?
Despite this being my hope, I can't help but still feel animosity towards Sylvia Mahoney and her son after watching this. I mean Annalise is right, if Wes/Christophe was her grandson, why didn't she, and even her husband take care of him after his mother killed herself, and as Bonnie says later in the episode, why was it Annalise who was protecting him from everything including them if he was their grandchild? I mean, unless Sylvia was that anonymous number Wes called that night when he spoke his real name; and I hope we find out who the person he called was next season, but if it was her, then how could they (the writers) just kill Wes and why would the Mahoney's not have done anything about it after finding out that Wes was killed?
I guess im gonna have to get the dvd to see the deleted scenes to help explain further what is going on and why they abandoned Christopher especially after his mom died.
I felt so bad for Wes. I mean it’s bad enough his father raped, his mother, making him a product of rape. Worst of all his own mother killed herself, leaving Westend Send for himself. First of all his own grandmother didn’t even bother bother, trying to look out for Wes. Annelise had to do all the heavy lifting basically be a mother for him. But it kind of relates to my cousin once told me families is not always blood. It’s the people that you built bonds and mutual respect with.
Darshan More you know that it wasn’t him, frank just put the microphone in his hotel room he didn't know they were going to hurt her physically, he was devasted in the hospital when he learns about the baby and Annalise
He cant be his dad because wes was born in Tahiti. But if he is then Tahiti was a lie and wes was born in the USA also Rose and Charles were together but Charles father didnt like that. Something is wrong there.
I think Wes blackmailed Charles to arrange his own death cuz he knew that it will more problematic to hang out with Annalise and others. I think Charles is Wes's father and he raped her mother. Maybe he was under substances or alcohol. Rich spoiled brat. She's scared of him. She's so scared (of Charles Mahoney or his father) she committed suicide to save Wes. They could unleash so much about Mahoney house. Even Mrs. Mahoney could be some strange woman with Stockholm syndrome, you never know. CAN'T WAIT for season finale.
@@ijan8611 well i just dont think he raped her more likes secret relationship he looked at Christoph like he wanted him to know. Maybe charles was scared of his father but about the blackmail u could be right
awe little Christopher is so cute this makes it even more sad that he's dead
Mhmm
His name was Christophe Christopher was their son
Well good News he's apparently not anymore
@@romanefron2982 he is
Sylvia: I’m his mother, that’s my job.
Annalise: And as a grandmother, it’s your job to love and care for your sons child just as much as you do him.
I hated how Wes died without knowing who his real father was or knowing his own son. And I hated the reason he died as well as the fact that the Mahoney's were a bunch of rich people who wanted to get away with murder, but because Annalise didn't bow down, they sent a hit on her while she's pregnant killing her unborn son. It's worse when anyone who says she's not a mother and then that car crash and hospital scene hit you. It reminds me of Patrick Jane from the Mentalist a little bit.
Did we even care that Wes was Charles' son? It didnt really change anything...
True
I hope there'll be more in the last 2 episodes
I doubt they'll address it now, but when you start to think about Charles' age, you begin to see something fishy is going on. How old was he when Rose got pregnant with Christophe/Wes? Wes was born in 1993. Even if Charles is 40 in Season 2 (present day is 2015), when we see him in the present day (and he looks younger than 40), then he would only have been 18 when Wes was born. And frankly, he doesn't look like he's 40. The same actor portrays him in the Season 3 flashback, which takes place before Rose dies in 2005, which means he was at least 20 then. That places his birth date between 1975 and 1985. Which means he got Rose pregnant between the ages of 8 and 18. So, unless he's really at that upper range, it at least suggests that instead of Rose being raped, that she might have raped him. Even if he was willing, given that Rose was older, it would likely be deemed statutory rape. So, the fact that Charles is Wes' dad, changes everything.
@@paulpenna5615 Interesting - just looking at this again to try and guess what might happen in the finale. This scene is really confusing......and feels like there is more to the story, lets see if any of this is explained
We didn’t lol
I always come back to this episode. The season finale was epic.
The biggest question that i have about this scene is: What did Sylvia mean when she said, "You are wrong about so much".
We still have the same question but we have only one episode for them to answer that😂
@@parthiban5663 damn it
How could they end it in 42 min?
I don't think they will answer it. But I've always thought, since the reveal, that Rose might not have been raped. That she in fact raped Charles. Consider that Wes was born in 1993. We don't know how old Charles is, but at the very least, he would have had to have been a teenager when Wes was conceived. Maybe he was 18, but maybe he was younger. It at least suggests that it might have been Rose in the wrong. And child abuse has been an ongoing theme in the series, so it certainly isn't outside the realm of possibilities.
@@parthiban5663 lmfaooo forget it, I personally gave up long time ago hoping for answers
We shall never know smh
That's weird because he looks mad young
Tarik Dunbar he could have been between 15 - 20 when he did it
It's so funny, because the actors are only 4 years apart 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hol on which actors ?
@@heartbeat8706 Charles and Wes' I imagine
Is it just me or do you want to see like one of the k5 at the end go to Wes’s grave and see Charles putting flowers or heck Charles mom putting flowers just to know someone still remembers him and to see they took responsibility for him being family like what they should have done from the beginning
too bad they never explored this option I would have liked to know what happened in my experience the true narrative is relay what you see!!
WADE KINSELLA
Erin N I SAW HIM ON THE THUMB NAIL
I wish that heart of Dixie would come back
If you like him you should watch All rise. They did a very cool Covid 19 episode.
Is it wrong that next season I hope that Annalise and Laurel find out and tell Sylvia Mahoney the truth that it was Laurel's father who gave the order to kill Wes, therefore getting the Mahoney's on their side to try and take him down next season?
Despite this being my hope, I can't help but still feel animosity towards Sylvia Mahoney and her son after watching this. I mean Annalise is right, if Wes/Christophe was her grandson, why didn't she, and even her husband take care of him after his mother killed herself, and as Bonnie says later in the episode, why was it Annalise who was protecting him from everything including them if he was their grandchild?
I mean, unless Sylvia was that anonymous number Wes called that night when he spoke his real name; and I hope we find out who the person he called was next season, but if it was her, then how could they (the writers) just kill Wes and why would the Mahoney's not have done anything about it after finding out that Wes was killed?
Exactly. Looks like the Mahoneys are least bothered about Wes. All they care about is their family reputation. Sadistic bastards.
I still wonder who actually killed Mahoneny in the finale..
@@rp8812 it was Frank
Agent poindexter but from another universe
0:38 Thats hard
Thats really hard
I guess im gonna have to get the dvd to see the deleted scenes to help explain further what is going on and why they abandoned Christopher especially after his mom died.
Charles mahoney was bullseye? Wow still the same energy
Alejo Bulanadi lmao
Hello Karen, It’s nice to see you again.
lol
LF Drumming that sounds hard really hard
The fact that she knew that christoph was charles son just by the way he looked at christoph is insane
Hey that's Bullseye!
I felt so bad for Wes. I mean it’s bad enough his father raped, his mother, making him a product of rape. Worst of all his own mother killed herself, leaving Westend Send for himself. First of all his own grandmother didn’t even bother bother, trying to look out for Wes. Annelise had to do all the heavy lifting basically be a mother for him. But it kind of relates to my cousin once told me families is not always blood. It’s the people that you built bonds and mutual respect with.
How though, how old was Charles when he raped Rose????? 13???? Wtf
He was probably around 16. The actor they cast looks too young.
It makes no freaking sense.
It makes sense but him being younger makes it worse.
Steffy. Yes and the actress they used to play Rose looks years older than Charles which makes it even worse.
Watch 13 reasons why degrassi it happens
She really called her Grandson that boy
it's the dude from all rise !!!
Wade kinsella really was a naughty boy before Zoe hart came into his life
Bullseye
ok thank im there☺
what TV series is it?
Nicole Marangoni How to get away with murder
@@mutaashassan1947 thanks😊
This is so unnecessary and illogical.
How did she know?
Can someone tell me why everyone calls Wes Christoph?
Christophe is his first name when he was adopted after his mother died his name was changed to wes
Joshie Oh Thankyou so much, now I understand.
So who killed annalise baby ?
ethan ob, frank delfino killed her baby
The Mahoneys and Frank helped them with that but he didnt mean for the baby to get hurt nor Annalise he just wanted the money
Darshan More you know that it wasn’t him, frank just put the microphone in his hotel room he didn't know they were going to hurt her physically, he was devasted in the hospital when he learns about the baby and Annalise
Bullseye...
who killed wes ? i feel asleep 🤔
Laurels father put a hit on him .
@@chrisallen9296 SPOILER ALERT!!
Anas Ali this was over a year ago mate and this is a spoiler video. Deal with it.
He cant be his dad because wes was born in Tahiti. But if he is then Tahiti was a lie and wes was born in the USA also Rose and Charles were together but Charles father didnt like that. Something is wrong there.
He was born in Haiti not tahiti
@@heartstopper6909 oh same thing 😂
P G Is it 🤨
I think Wes blackmailed Charles to arrange his own death cuz he knew that it will more problematic to hang out with Annalise and others.
I think Charles is Wes's father and he raped her mother. Maybe he was under substances or alcohol. Rich spoiled brat. She's scared of him. She's so scared (of Charles Mahoney or his father) she committed suicide to save Wes. They could unleash so much about Mahoney house. Even Mrs. Mahoney could be some strange woman with Stockholm syndrome, you never know.
CAN'T WAIT for season finale.
@@ijan8611 well i just dont think he raped her more likes secret relationship he looked at Christoph like he wanted him to know. Maybe charles was scared of his father but about the blackmail u could be right