this is the BEST explanation of this I've seen!! i finally felt the concept really click in my brain. thank you so much! 7 years later and this video is still so helpful to many people
Thanks so much for taking the time to organize this video with audio examples because when I read an article on dithering, I understood what it was saying, but I couldn't visualize what it was saying. Now I can!
Wow! What an amazing video to explain this using extreme examples so we can actually both hear and see what's going on! I love this and also think it's the best video on Dithering out there that I've come across so far!
A great video to understanding one of the most important "bits" of digital recording, especially if you are going from analog to digital and things just aren't working like they used to! I think this is the first lesson anyone entering digital recording needs to understand and your video did that quite nicely! Thanks for the helpful information.
I barely make comments on the net but this vidéo is really the best one to understand dither I ever saw on the net (And I am a french language guy). Congratulations Sir Tarr !
very well made video. great explanation. Never understood dithering like this before. thanks a lot. Could you make one on summing of audio and its effects in ITB mix downs?
not really.. few opt for print method and others are fine with a simple bounce. Have read a lot of reviews. But i have found that daw bounces sometimes loose quality which can be perhaps retained by print.
Ive still got loads to learn and loads to understand, but this was so great and informative for a beginner like me. I can hear the differences and sort of see what causes the magic. I just need to dig in with time and practice. Thanks for making it conceptually graspable!
Very, very good tutorial for newbies like me who just discovered the concept of dithering. It's something not talked about alot but it' so seems to be very useful. Thanks for the tutorial!
Very informative. I learnt to add dither when reducing bit depth as a kinda rule but I never really understood why or what it's doing. Now I do. Thanks a mil :)
Great illustration on Dither. I viewed this to refresh myself as a mixer and mastering engineer. I got because I was being a second ear for a song and low and mid level random noises in a supposively mastered version. I a MTSU Recording graduate 2014.
Absolutely brilliant, thanks so much for this. Finally understand what dither does (and why) and I've been working with digital audio for over ten years!
Very good video-I'm sorry I have to complain about one detail. You probably noticed that the shaped-dither demo starting around 13:57 doesn't really pay off as planned. Unlike the earlier example, it doesn't suck the distortion peaks down by decorrelation, it just buries them in noise. In fact, the lowest distortion peak still sticks out above the noise. The problem is that "noise shaped dither" isn't "dither with shaped noise", it's "dither that has been noise-shaped". The shaping happens as part of the truncation, not to the noise addition before the truncation. It's really "error shaping", to differentiate is from the broadband noise that's added, but to engineers, error and noise are synonyms.
When it comes to 24 bit and dithering, I like how Dan Worrall did put it: „If you have to amplify a signal by 100dB to hear a problem, it’s not really a problem.“ But yea, for 16 bit, dithering is kinda mandatory.
you said we intentionally add noise but when the bit is reduced the new bit reduction noise will be added and there is a previous one too what if both frequencies crash with each other, so here i recommend always invert the polarity of signal of the noise we add intentionally so it cancels the new noise which is added by bit reduction , what do you all think
2mn of Video I already understand broadly what is dither and WHY we do it. Nice. Lets pick some desert and watch the rest. I understand dithering in image and basically the principle is the same. You add noise to actually obtain a more pleasing result. In imaging dithering is handy when you reduce the colour count of an image. Take any 16 bit color image and reduce it to 256 colours. You'll notice clear surfaces of colour that does not look nice and often change the original shape. Take dithering and there will be a noise of colour that is noticeable yet more pleasing than the non dithered image. Nowadays dithering images have become pointless. Or maybe in some specific use cases it is still relevant but almost every image nowadays can have true colours. Disk space and bandwidth are no more bottlenecks to take in the equation.
Thanks for the video! I have a question, what if you put an EQ with a high cut in the master, let's say around 16kHz, does dithering still works? Also, how do you know how much dither amount to apply?
Excellent explanation and tutorial, except for the minor technical error - what you described as 2-bit must have been at least 3-bit as 2 bits would only have a maximum of 4 levels. But top marks for making a technically obscure issue easy to understand
At about 4:18 in the video you show a signal you say has been reduced to 2-bit resolution, but the visual doesn't make sense to me. If it were two-bit, there would be a maximum of 4 levels in the displayed signal, played signal, but there are at least 7 levels shown. Is the really a 3-bit signal?
thanks this helps a lot! what if I export a master file in 24bit adding some dither noise and it gets bitreduced at a later stage when being converted. will the dither noise help preventing the quantization noise as well?
What was the use of adding noise in the case of 8 bit cuantization? You literally can't hear the cuantization noise, all you did was add random noise to a decent signal.
So, now that the mix has been printed as say, 16bit @ 44.1kHz utilizing the dither plugin, do we just find the file in the audio audio folder and use that for all intents and purposes? If I understand correctly, when we want to export to mp3 instead, using 3rd party software, should we print the mix as a non-dithered file and then use whatever 3rd party software to create the mp3 since it also applies dither to the final file?
Pretty complicated topic, but I think, I finally got it. Is this maybe also partially an explanation as to why older mp3s, which had like 96, perhaps 192 kbps data rate max seemed to sound a little louder than they would do nowadays with 320 kbps? I think, I had such a feeling in the past, when I was shopping mp3s or just listening to all my files on my pc, where you could compare songs with various data rates to one another... I just could never explain it...
Thank you so much Eric. This is amazingly helpful to really understand what this process is about. But I do have some questions. Why should we lower resolution when we bounce to a stereo track in mastering (or mixing)? What if we leave it as it is or lower it as less as possible? Are there playback devices that do not work on higher resolutions or are all of them different? What is the criteria to choose the right bit depth? Thanks a lot man. Cheers
this is the BEST explanation of this I've seen!! i finally felt the concept really click in my brain. thank you so much! 7 years later and this video is still so helpful to many people
thanks dude, literally no one talks about this topic so well done.
The best explanation that can be find for that !
Tnx !
you are a GEM MY FRIEND! world won't need schools if UA-cam is utilized in such an exceptional way!
Thanks so much for taking the time to organize this video with audio examples because when I read an article on dithering, I understood what it was saying, but I couldn't visualize what it was saying. Now I can!
Wow! What an amazing video to explain this using extreme examples so we can actually both hear and see what's going on! I love this and also think it's the best video on Dithering out there that I've come across so far!
This was godlike. Thank you, sir.
A great video to understanding one of the most important "bits" of digital recording, especially if you are going from analog to digital and things just aren't working like they used to! I think this is the first lesson anyone entering digital recording needs to understand and your video did that quite nicely! Thanks for the helpful information.
Superb video..... so well explained... its amazing. Thank you soo much
Incredible! Thank you so much for making this so easy to understand :)
Eric Tarr's tutorials are always excellent
Definitely gave me a new insight about dithering. I really had no idea how it worked, just that it was necessary. Thank you!
This is one of the most useful videos I have seen in a long time Thank You!
probably my second comment on youtube ever; but i think you did an incredible job of explaining this concept. Great job man, subscribed!
This is a super-clear discussion of an abstruse topic, and makes a very good case for noise shaping!! :) Thank you!!
That abstruse was an abstruse autological word.
I barely make comments on the net but this vidéo is really the best one to understand dither I ever saw on the net (And I am a french language guy). Congratulations Sir Tarr !
very well made video. great explanation. Never understood dithering like this before. thanks a lot. Could you make one on summing of audio and its effects in ITB mix downs?
Hey, did you ever get a answer on bouncing methods? Print?
not really.. few opt for print method and others are fine with a simple bounce. Have read a lot of reviews. But i have found that daw bounces sometimes loose quality which can be perhaps retained by print.
Ive still got loads to learn and loads to understand, but this was so great and informative for a beginner like me. I can hear the differences and sort of see what causes the magic. I just need to dig in with time and practice. Thanks for making it conceptually graspable!
Very, very good tutorial for newbies like me who just discovered the concept of dithering. It's something not talked about alot but it' so seems to be very useful. Thanks for the tutorial!
New video from Eric Tarr all about dithering.
Very informative. I learnt to add dither when reducing bit depth as a kinda rule but I never really understood why or what it's doing. Now I do. Thanks a mil :)
Brilliant dude! I had no idea what dithering was. Makes complete sense now! Thanks! You have excellent examples!
Great illustration on Dither. I viewed this to refresh myself as a mixer and mastering engineer. I got because I was being a second ear for a song and low and mid level random noises in a supposively mastered version. I a MTSU Recording graduate 2014.
this was just interesting from a technical standpoint, too... great video
Now I understand!! Superbly explained, thank you very much. Excellent presentation.
Absolutely brilliant, thanks so much for this. Finally understand what dither does (and why) and I've been working with digital audio for over ten years!
Finally an awesome explanation with an awesome example!!!!! Thanks!!
Great video. Well spoken, informative, and visually satisfying. Thank you.
Stunning to see the effect in real-time, cool vid man!
The cops came in the end. They wanted to bust you for being awesome. Brilliant explanation. You made dithering sound a bit less boring!
Wow! Killer video!
Fantastic job. Absolutely brilliant demonstration.
Excellent visualization, great job!
Excellent explanation! Clear and to the point. Cheers
One of the best videos I've ever watched, thanks!
Thank you very much! Your teaching is very good, congratulations!
I guess you already know that you're a genius. If it wasn't for you, I would go to my grave never understanding what dithering was. Thank you 😊
Thank you for taking your time to explain! Very well presented. Clear and to the point! subscribed.
this is amazing. so easy to understand
godlike tutorial, thank you
Best explanation ever for this topic!
Finally a good one explanation. Than u so so much
Thanks, great explanation!
You're brilliant. So thorough
Thank you so much for explaining so visually
Fantastic explanation! Thanks so much
Thank you, Erik. YOU ARE A GOOD MAN!
Very well expanation !!!! Now I understand what dithering mean. Thank you, sir
Wow that was very informative!! Thank you!!! 😁
dithering is so cool lol. i dont think it’s boring. thank you fam
Thanks buddy.That was very well explained and very helpful!
thank you for your detailed explanation
great video Eric, concise and very informative, thanks :)
Thank you very much :) that was quite educational and the visual demonstrations helped a lot :)
Excellent video! Very easy to follow!
Thanks for this important topics 😍
Nicely done video, thank you!
Very informative, Great work!
Very good video-I'm sorry I have to complain about one detail. You probably noticed that the shaped-dither demo starting around 13:57 doesn't really pay off as planned. Unlike the earlier example, it doesn't suck the distortion peaks down by decorrelation, it just buries them in noise. In fact, the lowest distortion peak still sticks out above the noise. The problem is that "noise shaped dither" isn't "dither with shaped noise", it's "dither that has been noise-shaped". The shaping happens as part of the truncation, not to the noise addition before the truncation. It's really "error shaping", to differentiate is from the broadband noise that's added, but to engineers, error and noise are synonyms.
Best Dither video ever!
Cool video. I'd love to see an example of an actual song tho, since I couldn't hear the harmonics of the sine wave from 8.0 bit depth up.
Fantastic! I finally get it. Thank You!
thanks. such an amazing explanation
Excellent video! Thanks very much for this.
When it comes to 24 bit and dithering, I like how Dan Worrall did put it: „If you have to amplify a signal by 100dB to hear a problem, it’s not really a problem.“ But yea, for 16 bit, dithering is kinda mandatory.
Very helpful! Thx Eric
Very nice tutorial
Very helpful, thank you!
Excelent demonstration! Thank you!!
Great presentation!
Brilliant! Thankyou sir! Xx
Great Work! Thanks!
Grate video very informative!
Thanks,,Great video!
Very helpful. Thanks!
Nice! Thank you for the info.
I love this video
Amazing video 🙏🏽
Thank you! Subscribed.
Great videos!
very good Demonstration
Thanks!
Finally, I know how dither does the job!
you said we intentionally add noise but when the bit is reduced the new bit reduction noise will be added and there is a previous one too what if both frequencies crash with each other, so here i recommend always invert the polarity of signal of the noise we add intentionally so it cancels the new noise which is added by bit reduction , what do you all think
real nice! thank you
2mn of Video I already understand broadly what is dither and WHY we do it. Nice. Lets pick some desert and watch the rest. I understand dithering in image and basically the principle is the same. You add noise to actually obtain a more pleasing result.
In imaging dithering is handy when you reduce the colour count of an image.
Take any 16 bit color image and reduce it to 256 colours. You'll notice clear surfaces of colour that does not look nice and often change the original shape. Take dithering and there will be a noise of colour that is noticeable yet more pleasing than the non dithered image.
Nowadays dithering images have become pointless. Or maybe in some specific use cases it is still relevant but almost every image nowadays can have true colours. Disk space and bandwidth are no more bottlenecks to take in the equation.
do you ever dither form 32 bit floating point to 24 bits? I usually don't bother but wonder if it is affecting my quality
Thank you!
Thanks for the video! I have a question, what if you put an EQ with a high cut in the master, let's say around 16kHz, does dithering still works? Also, how do you know how much dither amount to apply?
Excellent explanation and tutorial, except for the minor technical error - what you described as 2-bit must have been at least 3-bit as 2 bits would only have a maximum of 4 levels. But top marks for making a technically obscure issue easy to understand
At about 4:18 in the video you show a signal you say has been reduced to 2-bit resolution, but the visual doesn't make sense to me. If it were two-bit, there would be a maximum of 4 levels in the displayed signal, played signal, but there are at least 7 levels shown. Is the really a 3-bit signal?
You are correct, it can't be two bit
thanks this helps a lot! what if I export a master file in 24bit adding some dither noise and it gets bitreduced at a later stage when being converted. will the dither noise help preventing the quantization noise as well?
Oh I get it now, thanks
What was the use of adding noise in the case of 8 bit cuantization? You literally can't hear the cuantization noise, all you did was add random noise to a decent signal.
Noice! Very good explanation.
Great video...
very helpful thanks
So, now that the mix has been printed as say, 16bit @ 44.1kHz utilizing the dither plugin, do we just find the file in the audio audio folder and use that for all intents and purposes? If I understand correctly, when we want to export to mp3 instead, using 3rd party software, should we print the mix as a non-dithered file and then use whatever 3rd party software to create the mp3 since it also applies dither to the final file?
Pretty complicated topic, but I think, I finally got it.
Is this maybe also partially an explanation as to why older mp3s, which had like 96, perhaps 192 kbps data rate max seemed to sound a little louder than they would do nowadays with 320 kbps? I think, I had such a feeling in the past, when I was shopping mp3s or just listening to all my files on my pc, where you could compare songs with various data rates to one another... I just could never explain it...
kbps isn't resolution, its data rate
@@debrucey Yeah, fine... doesn't help with my train of thought though...
Thank you so much Eric. This is amazingly helpful to really understand what this process is about. But I do have some questions. Why should we lower resolution when we bounce to a stereo track in mastering (or mixing)? What if we leave it as it is or lower it as less as possible? Are there playback devices that do not work on higher resolutions or are all of them different? What is the criteria to choose the right bit depth? Thanks a lot man. Cheers
very nice vid
Thank u