PTB Ghostface was a laughing stock. A survivor on a generator could just helicopter their camera around without looking whatsoever and he'd be revealed because the mechanic was that generous back then.
It was actually a mistake the devs made. (don't know how you make a mistake that big but it's BHVR so.....) Someone complained about it on twitter and the devs responded with "Uh, yeah that's not supposed to happen..."
As someone else has said, that was a bug- but even with that fixed, PTB Ghostface was still horrendous. Revealing was still really quick and easy, Night Shroud didn’t even remove red stain (you had to be crouched for that), a map-wide sound played when he entered it, stalk progress immediately started decaying so 99ing people wasn’t really an option, and the exposed status effect only lasted a number of seconds. What a complete disaster of a killer.
I will still stand behind my opinion that while old Freddy was definitely weaker he was still more enjoyable and a very unique killer, especially in contrast to his current version.
If they combined his old and new powers (have to pull Survivors into dream to deal damage, clocks are only way out, pallets and snares, sleep timer to guarantee you can passively pull them in, teleporting to gens) he would be such a cool and unique killer, compared to the struggle bus he's in now
@@DrHappy-hk4hl he was literally weaker skull merchant there was nothing fun about him you clearly didn’t play or have the thickest rose tinted glasses
I'm surprised you didn't include Doctor since he originally had to switch between his old Punishment and Therapy Modes in order to operate more like how he does now. It was an odd set-up but I still like the initial idea of old Doctor. That if he was closer to you, the more madness you gained from his evil energy. Also, Wraith really has come far. His buffs and quality of life changes have made his power strong and his tome made him more compelling. Philip is so complete as a character now.
Dont forget Doc would get improved FOV in Treatment and reduced height (marginally) in Punishment. You could use the old shock aura to basically deny a rescue too without addons if you hit them and shifted as they got close, forcing them to scream and giving you time to shift back for the second hook
Make him ridiculous in his dream world, but literally absent once you're out Missing skill checks or being woken up more than once puts you into microsleep, a timer where you aren't effected by dream world things but can still be damaged.
Very shocked there wasn't a mention of Twins. The amount of bugs alone warrants it, but also the fact that lockers completely countered VIctor, and the absolutely miserable cooldown times make them feel torturous to play. And they were worse back then too!
The reason twins has so many bugs is because no one plays them and its honestly sad the only times you see someone playing twins is because they are either trying out the killer or they pretend they want to be a twins main
The reasons they don't get played is BECAUSE of the bugs. I'm a console gamer- literally every other gdmn patch breaks them. Notice I didn't say bugs them. I said BREAKS them and I mean entirely. Like attach Vic and Charlotte is stuck in place. Throw the cooldowns on there and here we are. They've promised repeatedly to rework them and I don't think they ever will. Which is a shame, bc Twins have the most in depth power with the most creativity potential- if you can stomach the bugs and when they actually *work*, they are way stronger than most people realize. Like top A low S. They just aren't easy to pick up.
Anyone else remember Ghostface's PTB reveal mechanic? Imagine being revealed because a survivor player sneezed, spun their mouse/joystick as a reaction and accidentally snapped you out of your power.
One thing i miss from the PTB Ghostfacr is his SFX. There was creepy music when he was nearby or stalking you. He should honestly get that back. He's one of the two stealth killers in the game (other being Myers) who can turn the corner and hit you with basically no warning whatsoever wich makes doing gens SO frustrating against him. At least Wraith and Sadako give you a moment to react whilist still reasonably having a good chance to hit you.
Although we laugh at Freddy's old power, it was incredibly unique and fitting of the character and dare I say, still stands out as the most unique concept from the Killers we have to this day. Seriously, this Nightmare was a solid endgame killer, and it's very unfortunate that now all Killers play the same when before we had some variety to how they function best.
Also in Wraith's case I'm pretty sure his speedboost after uncloaking was tied to the old version of the windstorm add-ons so combine that with his "lack of stealth" and the fact that survivors immediately hear your cloaking and if you didn't have that add-on, by the time you uncloak the survivor is halfway across the map and you don't even catch up or get a lunge around loops, unless you run the add-on EVERY game...
Freddys original power was so cool though. Wish they kept the vibe of his OG power in the rework. Edit: My idea for a combination, bring back the old brining people into the dream world, along with some sort of the aura reading as well. (Something like sporadic aura reading) Then while in the dream world, you have the pallets and snares together, although less, only a couple of each. Make it so skill checks don't wake survivors, only alarm clocks and other players. Have the gen teleport back, but on a lengthier cooldown along with a faster teleport.
With Wraith you forgot that for quite a long time his movement speed was also barely faster than normal when Cloaked (being 5.06m/s instead of current 6.0m/s (normal speed 4.6m/s))
7:21 "Trappers traps were quite strong and unfair" I'm sorry but what the everloving fuck??? Permanently sabotaged traps? Traps that took forever to be placed down? Traps you had to pick up every time you wanted to reset them? 25% escape chance? Only carry one trap at a time? No grace period where you could walk through your own trap? I could go on but I'd be here all day. Trapper is in a pitiful spot right now but he's the definition of a killer who used to be laughably bad!
@NinjaBananaChannel trapping someone immediately off hook was bullshit I'll agree with that. But if bear traps can't be hidden, what's the point of them? Look at any Trapper playing on the crow map and see just how useless they are. Even if some of those hiding places were unintentionally far too hidden, traps should be better hidden as basekit.
@@NinjaBananaChannel I know. I remember that well. What I mean I'd instead of completely removing that they should have added a pseudo version as basekit with traps being covered with debris of some sort when placed.
Wraith's shimmer used to be able to be seen from much further away, so if you had good eyesight, you could still easily tell where he was on some very open maps.
That's what I have been thinking about recently... Like if he had dream snares, dream pallets, AND a teleport but must drag them into the dream world... And he and everything he does is imperceptible to those not asleep except the lullaby (they could hear the lullaby while awake before, right?)... Maybe even add some other dream effect, not sure; illusion Freddys, maybe? But then you can't harm survivors until they get dragged... But they really, really don't want dragged in to the dream world. And then maybe you could play "setup Freddy" where you quickly trap up everything around the survivor and hope you can drag them into sleep in time.
Ngl, I really wish they brought back lightburn for Wraith. Truth be told, It really wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be. The problem with lightburn was, if I’m correct, is that you would end up getting burned out of cloak faster if multiple flashlights shined on you. This means that flashlights in Solo Q were simply a way to counter Wraith, while flashlights in a 4 man SWF was a way to bully Wraith. I think BHVR could implement lightburn again, but obviously tone it down by making it so multiple flashlights shining on Wraith won’t burn him faster. Maybe even taking a step farther by making it so that if multiple flashlights are shining on you, it takes even longer to burn you out of cloak. Either way, I’m just tired of people acting as if lightburn was this unavoidable thing, even if it was just one survivor with a flashlight. Lightburn was a fun relic of the past that was neither OP or terrible, thus I’m just sad that it’s gone.
Lightburn was easily counterable but punishing so it added another layer of play to Wraith that is sorely missed. Wraith is already boring to play against as is, without lightburn he's even worse.
I main wraith and light burn felt so horrible and honestly franklins demise felt nessecary on him just so you wouldn’t have to deal with it There were more times than I can count where I would find someone in the open they’d burn me and even if I started uncloaking early it still wouldn’t be enough then while wraith takes a power nap the survivor is free to run to other end of the earth The survivors wouldn’t even need to aim it since just shining it in the wraiths general direction would do the trick
I remember back when Pig literally had a weak crouch thing where you can 'ambush' people around loops, as well as these traps where they just run to random places in the map to remove them... oh wait.
I was weird and liked the mode change on doctor and wanted more killers with power like that.... And still want but made better (i know that Oni, Wraith, Onryo, Twins etc. have something like that but it doesn't feel the same)
Depends - doctor was my main and from my experience, when you played against good survivors or good teams, yes, he wasn;t very good, but playing against regular survivors, it forced them to hide in lockers and go away so the madness does not grow. Also once you had second stage of madness you could not come back to first one, like nowadays. Plus when you wanted to snap out of it you had to do it successfully in one try, otherwise the progress is lost. Plus you could see the aura of survivor who tries to snap out of it if you had "Nurse calling".
imagine freddy with the old dream world mechanic but with the rework teleport and dream pallet/snare,you can't attack them outside dreamworld and they can't see you.Freddy would definitely be more fun to play as(I think)
Hope they do this someday. Give him more dream tokens too! The snares can be used as actual traps and not just spammed at loops if you are smart and place them well, but there are so few dream tokens that you can barely afford to use them like that.
Another thing about old Wraith. He didn’t have his post uncloak movement speed boost which made getting hits after uncloaking a huge pain and honestly made his power kind of worthless
I’d argue Freddy is THE worst killer right now. His teleport is limited to active gens which takes a long time and his snare’s barely help. He’s just an M1 killer
I feel like old Freddy worked a lot better as being a homage to the character. I feel like with some changes like giving him the teleport and making it slightly harder for survivors to wake up from the dream world he'd have been usable.
Knight's original power actively nerfed you if you didn't just poop out a guard to make a pallet or jungle gym useless for a survivor, which was a big reason that I played only 2 games as Knight before his January changes. It also made his daily far and away the most difficult one in the game to complete at the time (still think it's difficult now, but less so if you use his power in a more fun way).
I wasn’t around for release Bubba, but I personally really like his power, it’s especially effective against people that assume you have to turn slower (as I usually do when using it), so you can really catch them off guard when they turn quickly to try and get away
in the past, to use effectively his power you should almost "touch" the survivor while chasing, then you started use chainsaw, what slow you down and then at the end of chainsaw power you could hit the survivor. Of course if there is no pallet or window on way. Because of that I didn't like to play him.
Old Freddy’s power just being the ability to hit survivors regularly after doing something is so funny. I’d like to see them require that Freddy hit asleep survivors again but make survivors sleep passively and don’t let skillchecks wake them up.
Release Plague didn’t have a corrupted fountain by default, which meant you literally had 0 access to your power until someone cleansed. She was also very slow when using her Vile/corrupt purge & her addons weren’t as good as they are now. But I still used her, I saw her potential and I loved her 💜
Doctor was underwhelming at the start, thank God he got a rework that made him A. I remember he was forgotten after two days already also for the trash 1.5.0 that made survivors weaker and killers stronger, that's when we started to say the game was killer sided
I hope we get a video talking about killer powers that were crazy OP at launch like The Pig who quickly dominated the meta after she was released until she was given a series of much-deserved nerfs by BHVR.
Can there be a video compiling "shadow-changes" that BHVR made yet didn't include in patch notes? Like recently when, for Nemesis and Singularity amongst others, they added the forced camera movement despite them _in the patch notes_ saying that the change wouldn't go live thanks to the countless people suffering from motion-sickness that brought it up in their forums. They also removed one of the Nemesis's post-M1 animations where he would clench his blood-dripping fist after an M1 for no reason.
As bad as Freddy was back then, i still prefer that power over what he has today. It was just more original and lore accurate, they could've worked around it instead of the clusterfuck he is today
Honestly the original version of Freddy fit his character so well and the penalty for being asleep actually made sense and you could feel it. But ye the fact that you had to wait 5 seconds before they were finally asleep for you to actually start chase was so bad.
Twins and blight were both pretty bad on release. I know they made blights power a bit better after the ptb but his POV was so short that I couldn't play him without compound 21 or I'd just lose survivors at every loop.
Honestly I feel like modern Billy is in a horrible state with the out of game elements and meta. Like if you get on a good streak with Billy you have to throw 7 games in a row because otherwise he becomes unplayable at higher MMR. And any fun element of his character has been heavily power crept to the point of like, why bother with Billy when there's so mamy characters that just have a more fun version of what he does? You cant even really use him as a for funsies character because his ability doesn't feel fun to use especially with the incredibly low value on average. Plus none of his add-ons really jumped out at me personally, he doesn't even have like a "fuck it I'll play 1 shot huntress or Mori Meyers" he doesn't even have fun builds to screw around with. In his current state he basically feels like the tutor for Tinkerer and Lightborn if you're wanting those
Doctor on release didn’t interrupt actions for 2.5 seconds when shocked, instead it was just an insanity gain. Also, the switch was very slow between modes, snapping out took 10 seconds (12 now), and he moved slower in treatment mode. Ghostface would be revealed so easily that it took the purple add-on to make playing him bearable. The old purple add-on basically made current reveal mechanics happen. Trapper was stupid slow early ok in the games life and only real purpose was to counter infinite and trap hooks. However, hook traps were removed pretty quickly and nurse’s introduction nullified Trapper’s single use. Also he was more RMG dependent compared to now where you could spawn in with 4 traps on the map. Blight on release was kind of painful where the bump logic was so bad, the camera was bad, and about everything about the character just sucked. They were a mobility killer who wasn’t even that great
I was INCREDIBLY good at the original freddy. It was like the highlight of my killer prowess. To be able to be a good killer as original setup freddy was sought after in the groups i was in. Now I rule over nothing. Kidding im king at pig and sadako
old Trapper could have his traps sabotaged and they'd be completely unusable for the rest of the game. seeing a full lobby of toolboxes essentially meant dodging it because otherwise you'd be playing as an M1 killer with no power sooner rather than later.
To be fair, the original Freddy was pretty lore accurate to the movies. He can only hurt someone that is asleep and dreaming and cannot affect the waking world. BHVR did a good job. Sadly, they did not think about how this would work as gameplay. The new Freddy really has nothing to do with Freddy in terms of abilities. Having seen all the Nightmare on Elm St movies, the new nightmare, Freddy vs Jason, the remake and the TV series, I do not recall a single time he used snares or fake pallets. Still, mechanically he works better than the original.
Clown: he used to slow down a shit ton after releasing a bottle and his reload was 5 second compare to the 3 second he have to play. Clown was painful to play back then. Mad that he dint end up in this video. Lol
Hot take: Freddy's power may have been bad but it was genuinely unique and just fun to play- i dont think he needed the complete rework, only maybe a few number tweaks
I think when Twins first came out Victor couldnt hold the lockers like he can now meaning a locker would deny a Twins' whole power I'm not sure tho I was a really recent player back then
Watch this and remembering insta flashlights existed really shows that unless you went up against people who had literally just bought the game as a killer you would reeeaaaally struggle and suffer
I remember with original freddy i did a gen right in his face because you could be in the transition into the dream world and fail a skill check to not be put into it and if that guy is reading this im sorry but its still funny
Expect he doesn’t pull anyone into the dream world in noes and he is probably more more accurate now than he was before. Freddy teleports a lot in noes. You can see him while your awake because of the microsleeps in the movie. In both the original and remake he slows someone down with blood/toothpaste. Freddy also messes with the world around you causing you to have pay attention with the dream pallets. Old Freddy was nothing like noes I don’t understand why people think that.
@@remakefreddy9170 Not lore accurate, Freddy could harm people only if they were asleep in the movies. Also, the puddles of blood were a random coincidence, Freddy uses different methods of killing the victims each time. In dbd, he is out of the dream world and can chase people down when not being in his own world, which is pretty lame. Imagine old Freddy combined with the new one: Being completly invisible to the naked eye, being able to pull out survivors in the dream world and then having both his pallets and snares. That would be really cool and there would be potential jumpscares when playing against this killer too Now its just lame, walking towards a survivor and chasing them down. Where you see that in movies?
This is just me but imo old Freddy wasn’t so bad he was a hit and run killer back then that worked really well with end game perks like he wasn’t like a b tier or a tier killer but but an average killer even though their wasn’t much at the Time of his release
Speaking of powers i have been talking to a friend cause me and him both love left 4 dead ( it being my favorite game ) and i have been saying the tank should be a killer in dead by daylight, its got a perfect line up. Theres 8 survivors they could choose from well 7 since they have bill so they can add the original 4 bill, zoey, francis and louis. Then the l4d2 survivors are reskins.
Sorry, the Freddy nerf you are speaking of removed the 50% action speed. So everything you labeled except that was how he was for a while after his nerf. Tbh besides the dreaded forever freddy build, I personally liked him. He was easy to bully though, especially if you downed at the exit gate. it took too long to pull people into the dream world and so they could get them up. And fail a skillcheck to make the downed survivor wake up.
Hillbilly is tge opposite of this... His power was perfect, and now it's just bad because of that damn cooldown system literally no one asked for, and it doesn't even serve the purpose they implemented it for... It's just a shame what they've done to some things
PTB Ghostface was a laughing stock. A survivor on a generator could just helicopter their camera around without looking whatsoever and he'd be revealed because the mechanic was that generous back then.
Now its basically impossible to knock him out though if the Ghostface actually knows how to play him.
@@muffinman5958 Really? I find it fairly easy to reveal him if he's not leaning around a corner
Now you don't reveal even if you look directly at him
It was actually a mistake the devs made. (don't know how you make a mistake that big but it's BHVR so.....) Someone complained about it on twitter and the devs responded with "Uh, yeah that's not supposed to happen..."
As someone else has said, that was a bug- but even with that fixed, PTB Ghostface was still horrendous. Revealing was still really quick and easy, Night Shroud didn’t even remove red stain (you had to be crouched for that), a map-wide sound played when he entered it, stalk progress immediately started decaying so 99ing people wasn’t really an option, and the exposed status effect only lasted a number of seconds. What a complete disaster of a killer.
I will still stand behind my opinion that while old Freddy was definitely weaker he was still more enjoyable and a very unique killer, especially in contrast to his current version.
If they combined his old and new powers (have to pull Survivors into dream to deal damage, clocks are only way out, pallets and snares, sleep timer to guarantee you can passively pull them in, teleporting to gens) he would be such a cool and unique killer, compared to the struggle bus he's in now
He was passive and extremely boring there was a very good reason on why he was reworked
@@remakefreddy9170 He was passive yes, he was killer that you could play on a more macro level. You can't tell me this version is any less boring.
The animation his left hand did when putting survivors to sleep looked so sick too.
@@DrHappy-hk4hl he was literally weaker skull merchant there was nothing fun about him you clearly didn’t play or have the thickest rose tinted glasses
I'm surprised you didn't include Doctor since he originally had to switch between his old Punishment and Therapy Modes in order to operate more like how he does now. It was an odd set-up but I still like the initial idea of old Doctor. That if he was closer to you, the more madness you gained from his evil energy. Also, Wraith really has come far. His buffs and quality of life changes have made his power strong and his tome made him more compelling. Philip is so complete as a character now.
Hey I just wrote the same thing lmao, ngl he was much weaker but it was interesting toggling between the two
Dont forget Doc would get improved FOV in Treatment and reduced height (marginally) in Punishment. You could use the old shock aura to basically deny a rescue too without addons if you hit them and shifted as they got close, forcing them to scream and giving you time to shift back for the second hook
I’ve been a doc main since the game started and he was so ass now he’s an absolute menace
doctor was much stronger than current state imo
@@legit6353 HUH
Honestly, I love the idea of not being able to see Freddy if you were awake, as he's a dream demon, I wish his power would focus around it
Make him ridiculous in his dream world, but literally absent once you're out
Missing skill checks or being woken up more than once puts you into microsleep, a timer where you aren't effected by dream world things but can still be damaged.
Skull Merchant's power is laughably bad if you want to have fun.
It’s not. If u play her chase oriented for example it’s much fun
No one does that 😂 they’d rather camp their 3 gens
@@kizoyah9253nobody uses her power for chase
You saying chess isn't fun?
It's not
@@kizoyah9253 even the mythical chase skull merchant is about as enjoyable as a kick in the nuts from a horse wearing high heels.
Fun fact: Freddy's lullaby used to be based on his TR, meaning any TR perks affected his lullaby also
Very shocked there wasn't a mention of Twins. The amount of bugs alone warrants it, but also the fact that lockers completely countered VIctor, and the absolutely miserable cooldown times make them feel torturous to play. And they were worse back then too!
The reason twins has so many bugs is because no one plays them and its honestly sad the only times you see someone playing twins is because they are either trying out the killer or they pretend they want to be a twins main
@@dirtyfloormarshmellowPixel Bush punching the air rn
The reasons they don't get played is BECAUSE of the bugs. I'm a console gamer- literally every other gdmn patch breaks them. Notice I didn't say bugs them. I said BREAKS them and I mean entirely. Like attach Vic and Charlotte is stuck in place. Throw the cooldowns on there and here we are. They've promised repeatedly to rework them and I don't think they ever will. Which is a shame, bc Twins have the most in depth power with the most creativity potential- if you can stomach the bugs and when they actually *work*, they are way stronger than most people realize. Like top A low S. They just aren't easy to pick up.
Anyone else remember Ghostface's PTB reveal mechanic? Imagine being revealed because a survivor player sneezed, spun their mouse/joystick as a reaction and accidentally snapped you out of your power.
One thing i miss from the PTB Ghostfacr is his SFX. There was creepy music when he was nearby or stalking you.
He should honestly get that back. He's one of the two stealth killers in the game (other being Myers) who can turn the corner and hit you with basically no warning whatsoever wich makes doing gens SO frustrating against him. At least Wraith and Sadako give you a moment to react whilist still reasonably having a good chance to hit you.
Although we laugh at Freddy's old power, it was incredibly unique and fitting of the character and dare I say, still stands out as the most unique concept from the Killers we have to this day. Seriously, this Nightmare was a solid endgame killer, and it's very unfortunate that now all Killers play the same when before we had some variety to how they function best.
I miss him so much
Unfortunately, the bully squads did too much damage that it's impossible to have that unique power back.
Wraith also didn't have the post-uncloak speed boost initially. That was an addon that they later made basekit.
Also in Wraith's case I'm pretty sure his speedboost after uncloaking was tied to the old version of the windstorm add-ons so combine that with his "lack of stealth" and the fact that survivors immediately hear your cloaking and if you didn't have that add-on, by the time you uncloak the survivor is halfway across the map and you don't even catch up or get a lunge around loops, unless you run the add-on EVERY game...
Freddys original power was so cool though. Wish they kept the vibe of his OG power in the rework.
Edit: My idea for a combination, bring back the old brining people into the dream world, along with some sort of the aura reading as well. (Something like sporadic aura reading) Then while in the dream world, you have the pallets and snares together, although less, only a couple of each. Make it so skill checks don't wake survivors, only alarm clocks and other players. Have the gen teleport back, but on a lengthier cooldown along with a faster teleport.
With Wraith you forgot that for quite a long time his movement speed was also barely faster than normal when Cloaked (being 5.06m/s instead of current 6.0m/s (normal speed 4.6m/s))
7:21 "Trappers traps were quite strong and unfair" I'm sorry but what the everloving fuck??? Permanently sabotaged traps? Traps that took forever to be placed down? Traps you had to pick up every time you wanted to reset them? 25% escape chance? Only carry one trap at a time? No grace period where you could walk through your own trap? I could go on but I'd be here all day. Trapper is in a pitiful spot right now but he's the definition of a killer who used to be laughably bad!
Hidden traps and hook traps were pretty much straight BS
@NinjaBananaChannel trapping someone immediately off hook was bullshit I'll agree with that. But if bear traps can't be hidden, what's the point of them? Look at any Trapper playing on the crow map and see just how useless they are. Even if some of those hiding places were unintentionally far too hidden, traps should be better hidden as basekit.
@@creativename5724 I mean "traps under textures/props where you literally can't see them" not traps in grass lol
@@NinjaBananaChannel I know. I remember that well. What I mean I'd instead of completely removing that they should have added a pseudo version as basekit with traps being covered with debris of some sort when placed.
Still being able to shut down an area and at the very least waste ppl's time disarming them was more powerful than wraith
Wraith's shimmer used to be able to be seen from much further away, so if you had good eyesight, you could still easily tell where he was on some very open maps.
I personally wish that they mixed Freddys old power with his new power and add a few more things.
Same. Old Freddy was just so much more interesting and faithful to the source material.
Some tweaks and he would be awesome.
That's what I have been thinking about recently... Like if he had dream snares, dream pallets, AND a teleport but must drag them into the dream world... And he and everything he does is imperceptible to those not asleep except the lullaby (they could hear the lullaby while awake before, right?)... Maybe even add some other dream effect, not sure; illusion Freddys, maybe?
But then you can't harm survivors until they get dragged... But they really, really don't want dragged in to the dream world.
And then maybe you could play "setup Freddy" where you quickly trap up everything around the survivor and hope you can drag them into sleep in time.
Ngl, I really wish they brought back lightburn for Wraith. Truth be told, It really wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be. The problem with lightburn was, if I’m correct, is that you would end up getting burned out of cloak faster if multiple flashlights shined on you.
This means that flashlights in Solo Q were simply a way to counter Wraith, while flashlights in a 4 man SWF was a way to bully Wraith. I think BHVR could implement lightburn again, but obviously tone it down by making it so multiple flashlights shining on Wraith won’t burn him faster. Maybe even taking a step farther by making it so that if multiple flashlights are shining on you, it takes even longer to burn you out of cloak.
Either way, I’m just tired of people acting as if lightburn was this unavoidable thing, even if it was just one survivor with a flashlight. Lightburn was a fun relic of the past that was neither OP or terrible, thus I’m just sad that it’s gone.
Lightburn was easily counterable but punishing so it added another layer of play to Wraith that is sorely missed.
Wraith is already boring to play against as is, without lightburn he's even worse.
I main wraith and light burn felt so horrible and honestly franklins demise felt nessecary on him just so you wouldn’t have to deal with it
There were more times than I can count where I would find someone in the open they’d burn me and even if I started uncloaking early it still wouldn’t be enough then while wraith takes a power nap the survivor is free to run to other end of the earth
The survivors wouldn’t even need to aim it since just shining it in the wraiths general direction would do the trick
I remember back when Pig literally had a weak crouch thing where you can 'ambush' people around loops, as well as these traps where they just run to random places in the map to remove them... oh wait.
Doctors was so trash in terms of having to switch back and forth from his power
I was weird and liked the mode change on doctor and wanted more killers with power like that.... And still want but made better (i know that Oni, Wraith, Onryo, Twins etc. have something like that but it doesn't feel the same)
The Hags Traps could originally be removed with Flashlights.
You still can
(Please tell me you still can)
@@Yanramichi think they removed that recently
Old Doctor was also a bit underwhelming and strange with the Punishment to Treatment looked very clunky and it felt pretty weak
Depends - doctor was my main and from my experience, when you played against good survivors or good teams, yes, he wasn;t very good, but playing against regular survivors, it forced them to hide in lockers and go away so the madness does not grow. Also once you had second stage of madness you could not come back to first one, like nowadays. Plus when you wanted to snap out of it you had to do it successfully in one try, otherwise the progress is lost. Plus you could see the aura of survivor who tries to snap out of it if you had "Nurse calling".
I am glad all these killers have a good chance at winning now, practice makes perfect just keep trying and you can get it
i'm suprised there's no doctor, trapper or skull merchant
imagine freddy with the old dream world mechanic but with the rework teleport and dream pallet/snare,you can't attack them outside dreamworld and they can't see you.Freddy would definitely be more fun to play as(I think)
Hope they do this someday.
Give him more dream tokens too!
The snares can be used as actual traps and not just spammed at loops if you are smart and place them well, but there are so few dream tokens that you can barely afford to use them like that.
Another thing about old Wraith. He didn’t have his post uncloak movement speed boost which made getting hits after uncloaking a huge pain and honestly made his power kind of worthless
I’d argue Freddy is THE worst killer right now.
His teleport is limited to active gens which takes a long time and his snare’s barely help.
He’s just an M1 killer
You're my favourite DBD youtuber by far, your voice is soothing
I gaged at how slow Hags old placement speed is.
I think you forgot to mention, that Wraith didn't even have the little boost after uncloaking
Old Freddy to me is a very rare case of "weak yet fun" power.
OG Doc was terribly slow, with the only benefit being increased FOV in treatment mode and slightly below tall height in punishment
Trapper was a lot more slower back in the days but he has his buffs now but still needs a bit more changings in my opinion
Getting slower to the point you are way slower then Survivors while you were throwing blades is wild.
I mained pre-rework Freddy since he released, although his power was weak, it was very fun and I never got tired of using it
I feel like old Freddy worked a lot better as being a homage to the character. I feel like with some changes like giving him the teleport and making it slightly harder for survivors to wake up from the dream world he'd have been usable.
Knight's original power actively nerfed you if you didn't just poop out a guard to make a pallet or jungle gym useless for a survivor, which was a big reason that I played only 2 games as Knight before his January changes. It also made his daily far and away the most difficult one in the game to complete at the time (still think it's difficult now, but less so if you use his power in a more fun way).
I pocket Knight and honestly i don't know how i managed to enjoy and do good with him before his changes. It's a world of difference.
This was a great video! but I feel like I need to mention that when you got the hit at 6:40 my jaw dropped
Wraith also didn't get his speedboost when uncloaking. He would uncloak, reveal his location, then watch survivors run to whatever loop is nearby.
I wasn’t around for release Bubba, but I personally really like his power, it’s especially effective against people that assume you have to turn slower (as I usually do when using it), so you can really catch them off guard when they turn quickly to try and get away
in the past, to use effectively his power you should almost "touch" the survivor while chasing, then you started use chainsaw, what slow you down and then at the end of chainsaw power you could hit the survivor. Of course if there is no pallet or window on way. Because of that I didn't like to play him.
Old Freddy’s power just being the ability to hit survivors regularly after doing something is so funny. I’d like to see them require that Freddy hit asleep survivors again but make survivors sleep passively and don’t let skillchecks wake them up.
Playing against freddy when he first came out felt like a fever dream
Release Plague didn’t have a corrupted fountain by default, which meant you literally had 0 access to your power until someone cleansed. She was also very slow when using her Vile/corrupt purge & her addons weren’t as good as they are now. But I still used her, I saw her potential and I loved her 💜
I remember old doctor. You had to switch between your ability and your weapon and you only had your short shock
Doctor was underwhelming at the start, thank God he got a rework that made him A. I remember he was forgotten after two days already also for the trash 1.5.0 that made survivors weaker and killers stronger, that's when we started to say the game was killer sided
i think ptb twins should definitely count
Damn, these killers *were like playing chess*
I hope we get a video talking about killer powers that were crazy OP at launch like The Pig who quickly dominated the meta after she was released until she was given a series of much-deserved nerfs by BHVR.
Can there be a video compiling "shadow-changes" that BHVR made yet didn't include in patch notes?
Like recently when, for Nemesis and Singularity amongst others, they added the forced camera movement despite them _in the patch notes_ saying that the change wouldn't go live thanks to the countless people suffering from motion-sickness that brought it up in their forums.
They also removed one of the Nemesis's post-M1 animations where he would clench his blood-dripping fist after an M1 for no reason.
As bad as Freddy was back then, i still prefer that power over what he has today. It was just more original and lore accurate, they could've worked around it instead of the clusterfuck he is today
Honestly the original version of Freddy fit his character so well and the penalty for being asleep actually made sense and you could feel it.
But ye the fact that you had to wait 5 seconds before they were finally asleep for you to actually start chase was so bad.
Twins and blight were both pretty bad on release. I know they made blights power a bit better after the ptb but his POV was so short that I couldn't play him without compound 21 or I'd just lose survivors at every loop.
5:17
I am not an OG, so I didnt know how awfull setting up traps was
That felt like I accidentally set the playback speed to 0.25
Hey AZHY Do you think BHVR should remove the cap on BP?
Yes
Honestly I feel like modern Billy is in a horrible state with the out of game elements and meta. Like if you get on a good streak with Billy you have to throw 7 games in a row because otherwise he becomes unplayable at higher MMR. And any fun element of his character has been heavily power crept to the point of like, why bother with Billy when there's so mamy characters that just have a more fun version of what he does? You cant even really use him as a for funsies character because his ability doesn't feel fun to use especially with the incredibly low value on average. Plus none of his add-ons really jumped out at me personally, he doesn't even have like a "fuck it I'll play 1 shot huntress or Mori Meyers" he doesn't even have fun builds to screw around with. In his current state he basically feels like the tutor for Tinkerer and Lightborn if you're wanting those
The only cool thing about the old Freddy was he was completely invisible when awake I thought that was really neat and cool
You forgot that you could actually get rid of phantasm traps using a flashlight
Another thing to note with wraith is that the move speed burst after uncloaking was addons and clapper was a yellow addon for some reason.
Doctor on release didn’t interrupt actions for 2.5 seconds when shocked, instead it was just an insanity gain. Also, the switch was very slow between modes, snapping out took 10 seconds (12 now), and he moved slower in treatment mode.
Ghostface would be revealed so easily that it took the purple add-on to make playing him bearable. The old purple add-on basically made current reveal mechanics happen.
Trapper was stupid slow early ok in the games life and only real purpose was to counter infinite and trap hooks. However, hook traps were removed pretty quickly and nurse’s introduction nullified Trapper’s single use. Also he was more RMG dependent compared to now where you could spawn in with 4 traps on the map.
Blight on release was kind of painful where the bump logic was so bad, the camera was bad, and about everything about the character just sucked. They were a mobility killer who wasn’t even that great
I was INCREDIBLY good at the original freddy. It was like the highlight of my killer prowess. To be able to be a good killer as original setup freddy was sought after in the groups i was in. Now I rule over nothing.
Kidding im king at pig and sadako
I gotta respect it
The fact that michaels first power is completely forgotten
old Trapper could have his traps sabotaged and they'd be completely unusable for the rest of the game. seeing a full lobby of toolboxes essentially meant dodging it because otherwise you'd be playing as an M1 killer with no power sooner rather than later.
I absolutely loved Freddy's old ability i wish they could bring it back but buff it so it's more viable, it used to be so enjoyable and fun
To be fair, the original Freddy was pretty lore accurate to the movies.
He can only hurt someone that is asleep and dreaming and cannot affect the waking world.
BHVR did a good job. Sadly, they did not think about how this would work as gameplay.
The new Freddy really has nothing to do with Freddy in terms of abilities.
Having seen all the Nightmare on Elm St movies, the new nightmare, Freddy vs Jason, the remake and the TV series, I do not recall a single time he used snares or fake pallets.
Still, mechanically he works better than the original.
Clown: he used to slow down a shit ton after releasing a bottle and his reload was 5 second compare to the 3 second he have to play. Clown was painful to play back then. Mad that he dint end up in this video. Lol
i was the felix in the freddy game thanks for being such a good sport!!
Hot take: Freddy's power may have been bad but it was genuinely unique and just fun to play- i dont think he needed the complete rework, only maybe a few number tweaks
Can you do a video on bloodweb perks? Ive been trying new perks and ive only got a few hours in game
I think when Twins first came out Victor couldnt hold the lockers like he can now meaning a locker would deny a Twins' whole power
I'm not sure tho I was a really recent player back then
Watch this and remembering insta flashlights existed really shows that unless you went up against people who had literally just bought the game as a killer you would reeeaaaally struggle and suffer
I remember with original freddy i did a gen right in his face because you could be in the transition into the dream world and fail a skill check to not be put into it and if that guy is reading this im sorry but its still funny
I remember Old Wraith.
I remember suffering....
Unpopular opinion, but the Freddy seems more cool to me when he had to pull survivors into the dream world. Its more lore-accurate that way
Expect he doesn’t pull anyone into the dream world in noes and he is probably more more accurate now than he was before. Freddy teleports a lot in noes. You can see him while your awake because of the microsleeps in the movie. In both the original and remake he slows someone down with blood/toothpaste. Freddy also messes with the world around you causing you to have pay attention with the dream pallets. Old Freddy was nothing like noes I don’t understand why people think that.
@@remakefreddy9170 Not lore accurate, Freddy could harm people only if they were asleep in the movies. Also, the puddles of blood were a random coincidence, Freddy uses different methods of killing the victims each time. In dbd, he is out of the dream world and can chase people down when not being in his own world, which is pretty lame.
Imagine old Freddy combined with the new one: Being completly invisible to the naked eye, being able to pull out survivors in the dream world and then having both his pallets and snares. That would be really cool and there would be potential jumpscares when playing against this killer too
Now its just lame, walking towards a survivor and chasing them down. Where you see that in movies?
no clown? he used to have purple bottles and nothing else. and he was slowed by throwing them and took longer to reload.
You know some mental people still fondly recall OG Freddy saying he was “actually really good” or “I miss old Freddy”😓
You rang?
@@dumblenutz5561
Oh nooo😂
Conclusion: holy shit BHVR has gotten better at designing killers
*laughs in skull merchant*
@@creativename5724 *also laughs in singularity*
@flops1792 Singularity may not be the best design, but he's lightyears ahead of Skull merchant.
@@creativename5724he just does everything she does but better. Visually they're both some of the worst designs tho
Youbnailed it with the Freddy powers. I was a freddy main back then. It was horrible but yet i still managed to do decent. New Freddy OP asF.
I’m sorry but the hell you mean by hillbilly’s superior chainsaw when hillbilly’s chainsaw literally requires add one to be good
What about Ghostface when he was first released you could break him out of his power instantly by looking at him it was so horrible
Doctor. Easily. Hated swapping between modes, but miss the passive madness gain.
This is just me but imo old Freddy wasn’t so bad he was a hit and run killer back then that worked really well with end game perks like he wasn’t like a b tier or a tier killer but but an average killer even though their wasn’t much at the Time of his release
Hag was terrible on launch, and always was. She’s probably worse now than at launch
I still miss old Freddy :_(
Ahh those were the days when playing as sharp hand Joe
Speaking of powers i have been talking to a friend cause me and him both love left 4 dead ( it being my favorite game ) and i have been saying the tank should be a killer in dead by daylight, its got a perfect line up. Theres 8 survivors they could choose from well 7 since they have bill so they can add the original 4 bill, zoey, francis and louis. Then the l4d2 survivors are reskins.
Zoye, francis, ellis and bitchella are already skins for megamind, jake paul, dwight and claudia.
@@B1g_B0sssss i know but as their own characters, it’d be cool
It’s funny that I mained og Freddy and bubba😭
Can you make another video of which survivor that could be close friends?
Sorry, the Freddy nerf you are speaking of removed the 50% action speed. So everything you labeled except that was how he was for a while after his nerf. Tbh besides the dreaded forever freddy build, I personally liked him. He was easy to bully though, especially if you downed at the exit gate. it took too long to pull people into the dream world and so they could get them up. And fail a skillcheck to make the downed survivor wake up.
While Freddy does sound weaker than he is now. He was absolutely more thematic.
"and his traps back then were quite strong" did they not get destroyed upon sabotage
My first main ever was old freddy(1.8.0).
The correct term is "based on" not "based off of."
Hillbilly is based on Bubba, not based off of Bubba.
Freddy's current power is also laughably bad
He's the worst killer in the game
@@mattiacicchetti4728 honestly yes, with any other killers at least you ca use ultra rare addons, freddy's addons don't change anything
i agree i have absolutely no clue what his power is supposed to do but it's really not it
at least you could us flashlight on hag traps
Can you make the killer who can break the loop fast please
i remember for a long time wraith was easily the worst killer. he was just a joke, and really hard to do well with
Killer walking animation ranking when?
Man trickster is pretty strong! Lets nurf pig.
Hillbilly is tge opposite of this... His power was perfect, and now it's just bad because of that damn cooldown system literally no one asked for, and it doesn't even serve the purpose they implemented it for... It's just a shame what they've done to some things
I've been told old Legion was way worse than current legion.
Haven't played it since I've played for less than 2 months
I know freddy was bad, but atleast his ability was cool and original
He felt like freddy and not like the boring knock off that he feels like now