Welding on Generator Power | Predator 9000
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Chris and I bought a Predator 9000-Watt [7250-Watt running/continuous] generator from Harbor Freight to run our welding rigs while at the units and remote sites. Sadly, I won't really get the chance to use the genny too much since I have power at my new place. However, it will come in handy on those remote projects for sure.
At the time of this video, the generator can be had for $649 or ~$519 with 20% coupon before applicable taxes. Bear in mind that you will need oil, a starter battery (optional), and obviously fuel. Harbor Freight also sells a cool wheel and handle attachment that makes the generator more mobile if you need that option.
The generator ran the welder without breaking a sweat. Yeah, the video was not scientific in the least bit, nor did we max out the duty cycle/loading. However, it was nice to see it perform so well on material that we're already used to welding.
It's not as heavy as I originally imagined, but is still a two-person job without the wheel and handle kit. Also, I was incredibly surprised by how "quiet" it was during idle and loaded operation. It's certainly not the quietest unit out there, but it's not hard to work right next to it without ear pro.
**This video is NOT sponsored in any way by any manufacturer.**
Ooh, pretty metal puddles. Always nice to hear from actual welders that this will do the job👍
Ok so I guess I'm buying a predator 9000 now. Thank you!
just bought the same generator. I ran a Primeweld 60 amp plasma cutter on 220v and a hobart 210 mvp with Mig gas highest setting on 110 and 220 both ran great!
So you got the 9000 starting watts. Lol I've been looking at older genrac 15000 watts. Tried a champion 9375/7500. Probably should have never sold that one but wanted a hobart champion 145. It stick welds awesome but doesn't run my multiprocess that well since it's only 4500 and 20 amp
@@hinds90 yes thats the one, but some older generators wont run the new inverter welders I heard.
That's sweet to know about running a plasma cutter too. Thanks for sharing.
I have a Yes Welder 55 amp plasma cutter should i buy a 12k watts generator
get knee pads or you will end up like me knee replacements some day i know i wouldnt listen either
will do
I have leather chaps. Knee pads are not my thing.
Beautiful man!! This has helped me decided my budget Mobile welder set up. So I hit subscribe. Can you show how you made the plug set up
Awesome! Glad it was helpful. Here's a video where I make a similar plug. Everything is pretty much the same for the generator plug. ua-cam.com/video/oNYhqp41mNA/v-deo.html
Is yours the carb one or epa III
There’s two on there website. I would like to know which one you purchased
@@_dirtyfab3710 CARB is for California. I live in Texas, so I bought the EPA III version. We don't have the CARB versions stocked here as far as I know. You will most likely only find one version at your local Harbor Freight. I would imagine that California is the only place that stocks the CARB compliant units because it's the only state that requires it. From what I have read, they are both the same performance wise.
Is this a clean power generator ?
Can you please make a video pretty quickly of how the generator runs the welder off of 220v at max power so say 220 amps of atleast 180amps
Bigdaddy Mac the generator is with my friend out of town right now. However, I have used it for both my 211 MIG and 200 TIG running max settings and it powers them just fine. I didn’t notice a lack of weldability or penetration. I probably would get a diesel or larger gas generator if you’re going to be at those amps for extended periods of time, or if your typical workload requires those kinds of amps consistently.
Inner Sanctum this helped alot and thankypu for such a fast response, i would most likely need 110 to mabie 130 amps for small jobs sites , the stick welding settings will allow me to dial that in but the flux/mig/ or spoolgun settings only allow me to set voltage an wirespeed an desides the amps needed its self but also its a inverter type welder so that may help me out some as well, but over all I believe this was really great an useful information. Thanks bunches🤟🔥
@@CinematicMajor223 I have a video on my channel of a smaller generator running my old transformer based stick welder. I also use that generator to run mig in some of the amish shops around here. I also have the Lincoln 180 you see in this guys video. I've been running it with .030 wire on the highest volt setting and around 9 on the wire speed. I don't know what that equates to in terms of actual numbers but I've ran the welder so hard it overheated on me twice one day. the generator doesn't care. it just gives it power. If I had a bigger welder it would just keep giving it power all day long. I've built something that required about 4 pounds of 7018 welds. and some grinding. I ran all that rod in about 3 hours. again the generator don't care. and mine is only 6.8k continuous watts.
I have an Eastwood 175 and 240 amp and I thought that generator would run my mig welder and it wouldn’t, it powers up the welder but it acts as if the voltage is too low from the generator. That generator is a really good generator .
How many watts?
Currently I’ve got an ac dc tombstone welder and powering with an 8kw generator. I know the welder can suck 50amps so I’m limited on how high I can go. It works well for the work I do in the 40 to 80 amp DC range. Building the pigtail was a no brainer and since its only me, I use the 110 outlets for a grinder and small compressor (using it’s switch to prevent starting while welding)
I'm glad it worked !!! I was told small generators don't have clean power and could be bad on the electronics of an inverter welder. Great Video THANKS, William😃😃😃
Back in the day definitely. But I think technology has made it more “safe” for welders. I think the older generators will mess with an inverter though.
What Is your male plug to conect your weld machín to your predator
Just a FYI, don’t buy a generator with less than 7000 running watts. An old boss of mine cheaped out and got the 6500/5500 Predator. Using an inverter stick welder was a pain in the a$$. The generator would bog down and you’d have some fluctuations. It could do 7018 3/32 rods but hard to keep a consistent bead. So in some cases the rod wouldn’t stay going, in others it would go the opposite way and throw out too much power and end up burning through thinner metal. He had a larger one with 12,500 running watts and it worked great. I’ve used what I’m guessing is the older model of the one in the video that was I think 8750/7000 and it worked fine. I have a Westinghouse with 12,500/9500 running amps and it works great with stick and mig, haven’t done tig on it.
Looking at buying this exact welder and generator setup. Thanks guys
I have kinda the same set up. I'm using the predator 8750 watt generator with my forney mp190 I'm welding a 2 3/8th used drill pipe for a fence on a 3 acre property. stick welding with 1/8 7018 and 6011. Works great !!!
Daniel Mendez Yeah, these little generators definitely do the trick. The price was especially easy on the wallet. I can confirm our Predator is more than adequate for my TIG and MIG setup even on thicker aluminum where more juice is required. We were able to TIG ~1/4” aluminum without any issue whatsoever. That’s about the thickest we’ll ever need so it’s a win.
I recently bought this generator for mobile welding with a HF welder. It's the Titanium unlimited 200 model and I plugged it into the 220 on the generator, but the welder wouldn't run on 220, only 120. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Only thing that comes to mind for those specific welders is that they have a pesky little switch on the back of them that you have to toggle between 120v and 240v input voltage. Make sure the switch is set to 240v. Also, make sure the generator circuit breakers are reset. Other than that, I don't know what could be the issue. Hope you figure it out though. Cheers!
I wired a twist lock plug with a three wire cable as an adapter for the regular plug, going to check if the voltage is correct at the end of it.
Just had to rewire my twist lock, 240v confirmed now
Rush Industries that’s great to hear.
I have that exact same welder, the T200. How does it run with that generator? I'm thinking imma get that exact same setup.
Is there a way for me to figure out what I need, how about the new El 31 MP which 140 amp welder. I just want to get a generator a good one may be a Honda to run it with no problems I just want to know if there are an equation to figure that out thank you good video
80% maximum draw at peak with 5% maximum total harmonic distortion from your inverter. But the bigger your generator the better.
Would this work with the Hobart 140 mig welder?
Great job! Hey I have the exact same welder and I'm wondering how you made that adapter box that the welder plugs into, and then it plugs into Predator? I think I heard you say you were going to make a video about that build?
I made a video showing how to make a 220v wall plug for welder if you want to run off a 4-prong dryer outlet. It’s the same process for the generator cord.
ua-cam.com/video/oNYhqp41mNA/v-deo.html
Where do you buy your welding gas in San Antonio?
where can i buy the connection 220!!
Did you ever use it with one of the 220 welders? I’d love to know how that went. I got the same one to run a welder. Did fine but I’m definitely questioning if it could handle to 220’s
Congrats I'm thinking of trying something similar
Is that a transformer type welder or a inverter type welder
Apologies, I just saw this comment. His Lincoln EasyMIG 180 is a transformer type. My Miller Millermatic 211 AutoSet MIG and Everlast 200DV TIG are inverter type. I have tested this generator with my welders too, and they run beautifully.
Inner Sanctum thanx,,,those HF generators are feature packed and the right price I’ve been looking at a couple different ones👍
@@william38022 I agree. I don't really know how you can beat it for the price. I'm one of those guys that likes to buy once and cry once, but this is one of the exceptions. It's also not as loud as I was expecting it to be. I've had generators in the past that you could barely hear yourself think. Well, I hope you find what you're looking for. Cheers!
My predator 6500 generator runs my welder 250 amp wielder real good I can just about do any welding jobs with it it is a very good generator it doesn't even big down with the welder full power I love my set up I made good money doing welding jobs on the side I just can't keep enough welding gas with all the work I have I change bottles every three days
Think this can tig or use a 220 welder?
I’m trying to do this with a miller machine….. but I don’t have the right prong set up for the machine. Did you splice yours??
update on this? 1. How is it working out? 2. Any tips?
Still running strong. No issues. It’s always there when we need it. We just put a little fuel stabilizer if it’s going to sit awhile. It’s always stored inside, and the oil is changed regularly. Other than that, it’s a great generator.
@@Inner_Sanctum is there a diesel option that would compare? And how are repairs on this?
How long it last before it messed the welder up? I’m trying to find a generator as my house has fuses not circuit breakers
On your generator … that yellow ground is just for your generator… you forgot to find your battery ground that’s tucked up in generator. Lol p
Hey I have a quick question I’m looking for a Honda generator what would be the best Honda generator that could run a new Miller 220 Meg stick and tig 120v and 240v
Have you tried welding 1/4 with this generator
This new generator and inverter is cool and all but I'd like to see a Transformer welding machine run of a generator, such as a Lincoln Tombstone AC 225 to a 6k or 8k watt generator
I have a Lincoln Ac 225 on predator 9000 watt generator and I can only do half a weld before the circuit trips
Why?
@@randybobandy9828 Because clearly the settings / capabilities that I'm mentioning don't give the best results..
Still using this setup? Just picked up a champion with similar watts for my fluxcore. Have any issues?
Holy crap that genny is loud. I was wondering if the 9500 super quite was worth it. Yep.
Anyone know if I can power a Lincoln 220 ac with a predator 9000?
I tell you what you throw that bad boy in the back of an old pickup truck and you've got a pipeline rig
This is so cool nice stuff man.
Thank you!
what is that adapter called from generator to weld plug I can’t find it anywhere
On a job using one of those predator generators to power a little miller maxstar and i've gone through 3 of them now because its dirty power i guess it just messes up the circuits inside i dont know...
That sucks man. Our Lincoln and Miller MIGs and Everlast TIG are still going strong. The generator still works too. I guess it all depends on setup.
I ran a pro mig 140 off a 9000 watt case generator, and it blew the mother board up, and idk why, I’d think it have enough power, how’s this holding up?
Honestly, it seems to be hit or miss for people. All of our machines are still working properly and the generator hasn't had an issue either. We also don't run our machines on max power either. It's just a tool to get us by when we don't have another option. Wall power is always going to be best.
Some people have success, and others end up with broken machines. I think before buying anything it's always best to consult with the manufacturer beforehand.
Have u plugged the everlast in the the generator?
can u run an electric stove on these, i would like to test those flat top eletric stove when i find them in the garbage, but dont have a 210 oult at my house
It will be enough to test it
Can a 9000 watt generator power 3 welders or 2 welder ? How many welder can a 9000watt generator power ????
I would only power 1 welder at a time on this unit. Your question has WAY to many variables to answer concisely. I certainly would never power 3 at a time though. Lol
I have the same generator (brand new) and it won't really run my Vulcan OmniPro 220. It will occasionally maintain enough power output to run the MIG on 3/16 but usually has noticeably less penetration and prone to holes, at 1/4 setting (max MIG setting) it won't maintain the arc so the arc just starts and stops and sputters. Won't run 1/8" rod on stick at all. I'm connected to it through the 240v
Did you figure it out bro?
Yep. Im getting the same result’s
Where you guys welding in a storage area? I’m tryna look for a place to weld was thinking about renting a storage to weld but don’t know if it’s allowed
Yeah, this was in a storage warehouse that’s a flexible working space. The owners of this particular complex encourage small businesses to base their operations out of their units. Not all storage places are like that though. Some just want you to store stuff and that’s it.
this might be a stupid question but is that 120/240v 30amp 4 prong outlet 3 phase? doesnt specify on it.
No
I hooked up my Tombstone Lincoln Arc welder to Champion Generator, 9,000W/7200W
It kept blowing breaker on the Generator, hookup was 240V 4 prong.
I was planning on buying a tombstone and wasn’t sure if a generator would be able to run it
@@CancelLuis
It will, my generator turns out to be high wattage but low AMP at only 30AMP .
Most new generators are 50AMP, my generator, although still like new is 11 or so years old.
If your generator is 50A you're good to go. I think 40AMP may also do it but 50AMP is the way to go.
Good Luck.
As far that Werder is concerned... it is awesome, we use it on the farm all the time and it is one of our most valued tools 👍
How did you plug in the mig 180?
Can you make a video were you show us how to set it up to run a welder
thats gonna fry your welder if its not less than %5 THD
That’s not entirely true. Heavily welder manufacture/PCB dependent in that case. I do agree that distortion should be below 5% though as a good reference.
However, I bought this generator after researching it pretty well. Looks like any of the newer Predator Inverter generators are running “pure sine wave” (according to their advert), and the tests I have seen on their waveforms has shown these types of generators to produce relatively clean sine waves around 60hz at ~120v with a deviation of 1-2hz under heavy load with a small voltage drop.
There are several videos on UA-cam illustrating wave forms off Predator generators. Are they perfect? No. Cleaner than plugging into the wall? No. Good enough in a pinch? Absolutely!
Have you made that video yet man because I need to see if what I’m thinking about is the same idea you had just said I do it
Johnny Begood the generator is out of town at the moment, but I still may be able to help you. I’ve used it more than a few times on varying projects. I even maxed out both machines on it to see if it would work.
Any issues with the Everlast TIG running off the HF Genset? It's THD is not less than 5% so was that a concern?
I have zero issues running my TIG on this generator, even on thicker aluminum where I need more amps. The thickest aluminum I personally weld is 1/8" plate, and the genny doesn't break a sweat. I mostly do 1/8" stainless and mild steel which uses considerably less amps. It's still running strong with zero issues.
Already paid for itself several times over.
Oh man I've been searching the internet for a long time for this answer. I also have the Everlast 205 and do mobile auto/welding repair but been having a hard time finding a way to power the sucker. Now I'm gonna go buy a Jenny 🍻
You think the Predator 6500 (5500 continuous) could run this welder or bad idea? From what I have surmised, it needs about 5000 watts but I’m not real familiar with it. Thanks in advance if I get a reply!
I mean I'm sure it could run the welder for light projects with a light duty cycle, but nothing too crazy for too long.
Thanks for the reply, I went ahead and sprang for the predator 9000. They had a 15% off promo so seemed worthwhile for $600. I have come across some random comments that suggest running a welder via a generator could be bad for the welder or generator over time cause the energy output is not “clean” or something of that nature. Said something about modified sine waves.. do you have any insight on that?
@@Charles-tj8ol it's always best to do proper research in these cases. Refering to the manufacturer is always better than "internet wisdom".
However, what people are referring to is sine vs square wave form. In the past, on transformer and earlier inverter machines this would have been detrimental to their long-term durability. These older machine's weren't as advanced internally and were very picky on what kind of power they'd run off of.
Now, inverter welders have taken over the entire market, and they are incredibly advanced inside. Much more robust than before and are not as picky when it comes to power. Pretty much all inverter machines today have multi-power functionality and have zero issue switching from wall power to generator power.
Manufacturers know their markets. They know people don't have access to 220v all the time. So they made dual voltage machines that can run off 120v [110v] and 240v [220v]. Same goes for clean vs dirty power. They know people are using the welders remotely in some cases. Not everyone can afford a welder gen unit. So they made sure the electronics can easily handle whatever power is available.
Both my Miller and Everlast have been run off generator power and wall power for years. Not a single issue from either of them.
@@Inner_Sanctum Man, I am sincerely grateful that you took the time to share your experience in such a thoughtful and thorough response. Def gonna subscribe, but don’t worry, I don’t usually ask so many questions ;) Good point about calling the manufacturer, I’ll do that to be safe. It’s awesome to hear your firsthand experience though in terms of using these tools and not having any side effects so far. I’m just trying to get more mobile with my setup and unlock some additional earning potential without breaking the bank too hard. If I can get a few years of use out of my Lincoln pro mig 180 off the predator 9000 then I’d consider it a success. Thanks again, look forward to watching some more of your content 👍
I’m looking to power my everlasting 210stl powerarc, it’s a stick/tig welder, off of a generator. I keep tripping circuit breakers in my house so I need a good generator, atleast 10,000peak watts. It’s an inverter welder so the manual says I need
Im looking to power a everlast imig 200, which is an inverter welder and have been running into the same issue. Where you able to find out any info on the predator 9000? thanks
AreAre you on the highest power setting on the welder?
these generator are 14amps at 240 volts and 28 amps at 120
No need to ground the generator?
Great value on your video
Awesome thanks!
Will a stick welder work on it?
Yes, depending on what kind.
Have you run your everlast out of that 9000 predator
Yep. No issues.
@@Inner_Sanctum thanks i just got that geberator thanks bro merry christmas
Bro where do you get that cord from that goes in the 240?
Made it myself. I have a video showing how to make one for the wall. It's essentially the same thing for the generator. The only difference is the plug.
@@Inner_Sanctum please tag me in it and if you ever get a chance please review the weldproig 200
@@BigTwoTrey ua-cam.com/video/oNYhqp41mNA/v-deo.html
Ok so i got the generator and it runs off 120v great but i cant seem to get the 220v adapter ive made to push 220 without kicking a fault on my welder even at the same amps that it was running on 120v . Please help. I need to know the wiring -size of wire. Type of wire 3 or 4 strand exc i know this generator will go up to 175 watts the generator will indeed push it but my vulcan omnipro keeps saying high or low voltage
you may have wired it wrong. I'm pretty sure on mine the 2 hots and one ground go to the plug in for the welder. I forget what size wire I use. I can check later but I run a 100 foot cord no problem.