You live, and hopefully, learn. But this was war time. Still no excuse. See the USS Indianapolis story. Normally, no one event creates a disaster. More often, it's a series of events that leads to the disaster. Line up those holes in the Swiss cheese!
We had something similar in Britain, not too long before this in the same year - a wagon in a train load of bombs caught fire approaching the town of Soham, in Norfolk. The engine crew, realising the danger, uncoupled the wagon and did their best to run it clear of the town; when it exploded it obliterated the station and did immense damage. Had it not been for the immense courage of Driver Gimbert and Fireman Nighthall, who stayed with their engine, it is quite possible that the whole town could have been destroyed. Both men received the George Cross, our highest civilian award for bravery, althoug, sadly, Nighthall didn't live to receive it.
I'd not heard of that, probably because it was in wartime. I think the Halifax Explosion was the largest wartime accident with munitions and explosives in a populated area. 1917 two ships collided in the harbor narrows. One was a fully laden munitions ship. It caught fire and drifted toward a pier on the Halifax side and exploded with the force of 2.9 Kilotons of TNT. One of the heroic tales that came out of that was a RR dispatcher stayed at his post and telegraphed to stop trains including a passenger train with 300 people that would have been close to the piers had it not been held.
The Wife Here Finally, Finally someone talks about my state of NM and the ghost town of Tolar, NM's history since it has been forgotten and it really isn't talked about even when history is being taught and New Mexico also, rarely teaches it's history in American history. Just the basics that any state learns about NM. I am Happy that You History Guy remembers history that needs to be remembered. New Mexico has a lot of history that nobody really remembers.
@@Guangrui The Trinity test was conducted in Almagordo, New Mexico Maybe affected the town of Tolar since it is 4-hours away(roughly) New Mexico does not speak or teach about the town of Tolar. Only the ones that were directly involved in the Manhattan project. They do mention that Albuquerque could see the Light from the blast. And it is further away from the Trinity test sight Which is a bombing range out in the middle of nowhere in Almagordo.
The Town of Tolar was just a travel through town and the first test at Trinity was months before the explosion at the town of Tolar. The Trinity test was in May and the accident in Tolar was in November. Either way they don't talk about Tolar. New Mexico had over 400 dead ghost towns They don't talk about them They don't talk much about their own history. They only talk about the history that is only mentioned that is basic and everyone knows. You want history you have to speak to people who were alive during that time or you are not learning anything. That why I love the History Guy.
@@Jack_Russell_Brown Texas is the only state that teaches its history but only in elementary and part of middle school. My kids told me this. Every state should teach its own history on how it became a state why, who owned them before and the wars that were fought to become independent etc.
While this was a horrific explosion, and came in the shadow of the deadliest war in human history, I’m still excited that the History Guy is shedding light on the history of my home county. Just too bad it had to be about the Tolar explosion.
I live near the town of Tolar Texas, and this was the first time I've heard it mentioned as the namesake of another town. I promise, Tolar Texas isn't much larger today than Tolar New Mexico was during the war.
When I was 21 years old I purchased 27 acres just south of highway 4 between Lipan and Santo down a little gravel road at the entrance of which was a road sign that read Tolar 2. That was in 1984. I got rid of the place four or five years later because my father had purchased a much nicer place on the banks of the Brazos just east of there. But I remember riding my tractor from his place to mine to work on my driveway and to make other improvements on my land. It was quite a long trip on that old David Brown with an ice chest full of IBC root beer. But as a result of those experiences, the town of Tolar Texas has always stuck in my mind. Many years later I discovered that there was a punk rock group in Dallas fort Worth who called themselves Tolar after the town. While I doubt that many history guy, fans would have enjoyed their music, I always got a kick out of the fact that at least someone else was aware of the existence of that tiny little burg and celebrated it in some form or fashion. And as I sit here in my house in Olathe, Colorado, 40 years later, I am struck by the tiny points of correspondence for what would seem to be minutiae to anyone else, but figure in my own mind in a disproportionately large way. This little town had effects far beyond its geographical limits and greater and even than the connections of the people who actually live there since neither myself nor I think the members of that band ever actually set foot in tolar itself.
@@frankturrentine I don't know how more people are unfamiliar with Tolar Texas, it HAS to be the 3rd or 4th largest metro area in western Hood county. ;)
Having grown up in New Mexico, I've been through Tolar, NM several times. There are residents there today, but not many. During the Vietnam war, a trail carrying weapons exploded in the California town of ROSEVILLE. My Aunts and Uncles worked for the Southern Pacific at the time. I saw the area where the explosion took place, the devastation was mind boggling. I wish I had known about what happened at Tolar when I went through there. Thank God for The History Guy for saving the history that we ne to remember and never forget. THANKS!
My grandmother was Mrs HH Smith mentioned @ 9:40 was the postmaster. Her mom was Mrs. Harris @ 7:15 I have heard the story many times and have visited the “homestead” a few times. Thanks for the memories and bringing this story to light!
Look up the 1973 explosion in Roseville, CA; a suburb of Sacramento. It destroyed the Southern Pacific rail yard there as well as parts of Roseville. They were still finding unexploded bombs 20-25 years later.
The derailment in East Palestine, Ohio was a perfect example of disasters with scary materials being carried through populated areas by train. That was a half hour from me! Unnerving!
Sure. Until they invent teleportation or Star Trek transporter technology, materials still have to be moved from where they are made to where they are used. Most towns and cities were built on roads, railways and / or waterways for that reason. Many urban areas were allowed to build right up to the railroad right-of-way, including residential housing for workers who relied on the commercial and industrial activity that railways generated. A bit late for NIMBY hand wringing now.
Same event happened on 28 April 1973 in Antelope, CA just south of Roseville, CA. Bearing overheat set a box car on fire which was loaded with bombs destine for Vietnam. Pretty much wiped out Antelope.
My home town, Roseville, CA, experienced a similar incident on April 28, 1973. I was 19 and was awakened by a loud explosion on a Saturday morning. Roseville was close to two AFB's, McClellan and Mather, and I assumed a plane had crashed. Roseville back then was the biggest switching yard west of Chicago and life still revolved around working for the Southern Pacific or the Pacific Fruit Express. A train going out of town developed, as in your story, a hot box. The train was carrying many tons of bombs that were destined for Vietnam. The train was no more than a couple of miles from my home. As the first explosion was followed by more it was obvious it wasn't a plane crash. My dad, who worked for the Southern Pacific, learned what was happening. My family was "shirttail relatives" with the then mayor of Roseville who had flown over the site and gave us more information. The small town of Antelope, CA, adjacent to the blasts, simply ceased to exist; wiped off the map. I took a drive through the area shortly after it was all cleared up. I had roamed all through the area as a kid and knew it well. I was amazed by what I saw. There was a large grove of oak trees that had to have been near 100 years old or more. They were very stout and healthy trees with thick branches as old oaks can have. It was very eerie to drive past them and see how the explosions had twisted the trees into strange and unnatural positions. It took my breath away. We had to evacuate from our home for the rest of the day and returned on Sunday afternoon. It was quite a memorable day when we came under shelling for a brief time. It brought Vietnam home in a more visceral way than I'd thought possible.
I was going to mention Roseville too. I was stationed at Mather at the time, and could hear it plainly from there about 12 miles away. I had gone to college near an Army tank and artillery training ground and recognized the sound, but I couldn't figure out where the explosions could possibly be happening. It was only when I went to the BX a while later and the checkout clerk asked me if I'd heard it that I learned what I had heard.
I'm from Clovis, and my grandmother and aunt worked at the News Journal for years, i remember hearing about that growing up. Thanks for this episode, like you said, "it deserves to be remembered".
I grew up in Portales, born 1952, and through the years heard part of this story. Thanks for putting it together in a very informative and entertaining manner!
I heard this story many years ago. I retired from BN&SF which included the old AT&SF Railroad. I've spent more time than I wanted in Tolar working on the track. I never did actually find where the explosion occurred. Thank you for giving a more detailed and complete explanation.
Although I am a native of El Paso, Texas, I worked for 34 years in New Mexico, including 5 years in Clovis, *yet I had never heard of the Tolar explosion.* Thanks for the valuable education, Lance.
I’ve been a fan of The History Guy Channel for years. Very well done and obscure and sometimes not obscure, but casting new light on an old topic where not everything has been shown.
Lived in Portales for over six years before moving to Albuquerque. I made that drive more than a dozen times and never knew this happened. That explains the historical marker that I passed every time. Thank you for the history lesson of such a little known place. I always enjoy learning something new. Especially something so close to home.
Had heard some of the story from my grandparents back in the 80's. One set lived in Portales, one in Melrose. Used to go through Tolar and Taiban on the way to Fort Sumner. Now I know the rest.
Didn't know there was a Tolar New Mexico. And thank you History Guy for pronouncing Tolar correctly. Also, could you do the New London School explosion. My grandfather helped with the rescue. I have pictures of the event, if you'd like.
It's hard to fathom how vastly destructive an explosion this size is. Literally hurls the atmosphere you breathe through your life like a physical wall.
It is an absolute miracle only one man was killed by this. If this occurred in a bigger town, hundreds might have died. Do they still transport bombs on the ground, or are they moved by aircraft now?
I'm sure ordinance is shipped both on rail and via the interstate highway system. My husband and I were driving through Wyoming when we encountered an Air Force convoy moving what were obviously nuclear warheads. There were two helicopters and a gunship overhead, plus numerous military vehicles surrounding it. Personified the term "armed to the teeth."@@thunderbird1921
I always look forward to this show. It's even helped to improve a work place relationship where 2 guys have found their love of history more important than our selfish arguments. So, Thank you very much!!
Very well done and you even pronounce Portales correctly. Amazing that only one person was killed. Unfortunately, that stretch of highway from Melrose to Fort Sumner has claimed several lives in traffic accidents. Be safe when traveling that road.
My father was a conductor on the BNSF rail line that runs through Tolar. I've personally driven through Tolar hundreds of times. I also thought I had a real grasp of the history of that region, but apparently not. This is the first I've ever heard of it.
I may be among the few who have seen the Tolar Monument. I was casual traveling on US 60 last year and just happened to see it. Wondered about it but didn't know much about it until now. Thanks.
The historical marker is a waypoint "portal" in a mobile game called Ingress, so I'd say at least... a half a dozen of us Ingress players have stopped there.
Train accidents wire me. I live in Butler Pennsylvania in a highrise for old people. I'm 62. Veterans and old people living here at Terrace apartments overlooking the train tracks and the creek. 12 times a day the train horn blows. Our building shakes a bit and it's every day life. But yesterday at about 4:25 am the train whistle blew and ran over a 55 year old man. Right out my window. They took him to Butler Memorial Hospital where he subsequently died. I love trains but I'll always remember yesterday. That's my history worth remembering. Prayers for him. Name not released yet till family is notified. Coal and steel country here. Those lines are important to us... but accidents stay sad forever.
I have driven that road between Ft. Sumner and Clovis 20-30 times over the years. Just barely recall Tolar as one of the wide spots in the road. May have to stop and poke around next time.
I had heard of Toler, but it was from searching records for family who had settled in Roosevelt county. I grew up over the line in Amarillo. Great to know what happened to it. Thanks!
So awesome to hear this story my wife is a decendant of mr jesse brown who sadly passed in this event i got here this story from her family who still owns a peice of this land in tolar
My youngest daughter and her family live in San Antonio, and the best way to drive to see her from Albuquerque is to go through Lubbock, a route that includes that stretch of road between Ft. Sumner and Clovis. I’m sure I’ll take more note of Tolar the next time we pass through.
Travelled through Tolar, NM at least twice and had no idea what happened there; will search out the site next time I pass through! Always learn something for you.
I've passed through Tolar many times over the years, including about a week ago. There's an old church in Taiban that was pretty photogenic. It's slowly but surely fading away. I've never stopped to look at the marker. I will now that I know it exists :)
Back in 2007, I drove thru this area on the way to Artesia. Talk about "not the end of the Earth, but you can see it from there". We drove the state highway that goes from southwest of Fort Sumpter, to the highway junction just north of Roswell. 60 miles, +/- Didn't see a single vehicle during the whole stretch.
I’ve been through that area numerous times and can confirm. Tumbleweeds and dust. The only thing I’ve seen thriving is antelope and a couple deer and rabbits. It’s crazy to think people are living out there but having lived in cities and then out in the countryside it’s easy to see what keeps them there. Lonely and beautiful for it.
Hey History Guy, the name of the town Tolar, reminds me of the origin of the word Dollar, and its connection to the Czech mountain town of Jáchymov. Perhaps you could make a video about the "Dollar." BTW, many Czechs emmigrated to Texas, so it is not a surprise that there is a town named Tolar there.
Dollar comes from the Dutch "daalder" and originates in New Amsterdam, before the British took over and renamed it to New York. Many Dutch words have been anglicised, baas (boss), koekje (cookie) and more. New Amsterdam was the economic center of the (then) New World, as the VOC had a stake in the city. They had no interest in defending it though, nor did the Dutch government, or the traders living in New Amsterdam. When the British were at the gates, they told Peter Stuyvesant to surrender or they'd offer him to the British as a token of peace and a sacrifice. They'd rather have their business continue than to wage war, so the city was traded for land rights in South America (for the British) and East Timor for the Dutch. This is where nutmeg grew, which made the Dutch extremely rich. Until a British naval officer smuggled some seeds to India and killed the monopoly.
@@Yvolve it's older than that. Dollar comes from the German name Tahler, which is what coins minted in Joachimsthal (which means St. Joachim's valley.) The world's first big silver mines were dug in the area around 1512. The coins minted in the town were first known as "Joachimsthalers" this name was shortened (around 1520) to "Tahlers" and were used throughout the Holy Roman Empire. Due to trade with Scandinavia, the Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish started minting coins and calling them "dalers." The Spanish Eight-Real coins (aka, Pieces-of-eight) were the same size and weight as the German Reichstahler, so US colonists started calling them "Spanish Dollars." When the US started minting it's own coins, the name "United States Dollar" or just "Dollar" stuck. The Dutch also got the name "daalder" from the German Reichstahler, minting their first "Kruisdaalder" in 1567.
@@vaclavholek4497 The direct predecessor to dollar is still daalder, which comes from tahler as you said but the spelling originates in the Netherlands. Tahler do dollar is not logical, daalder to dollar is. The American borrowed a lot from the Dutch, not only because there were thousands and thousands of Dutch immigrants. Besides a ton of words, the American constitution is in quite a large part based on the Dutch "Plakkaat der Verlatinghe" (the Declaration of Abjuration) which it used to secede from Spain.
My "Santa Fe" railfan friend and I drove from Flagstaff , where he was in school at NAU, to Kansas City (my hometown) in 1968. Chuck wanted to shoot the ATSF along the "cutoff" from Belen through NM (Mountainaire, Vaughn, etc) and on through Oklahoma. We stopped in Tolar and he regaled me with the story of the 1944 explosion. We poked around and found a chunk of a Bettendorf truck sideframe about 500 yards from where the explosion occurred. Coincidental - maybe or maybe from the big bang! Thanks for the story.
I see there were a bunch of us who remember the similar incident in Roseville, CA back on April 28, 1973. When it happened I was living in Rancho Cordova 15 miles south of Roseville. My father and I drove up there, picked up my grandmother and brought her down to our place. I was stationed at McClellan AFB in the communications unit as a ground radio repairman. The base's emergency command post vehicle was dispatched to Roseville but ended up having radio problems so they needed someone to look at it. That afternoon, when they couldn't contact the repairman on standby duty (he lived in the Roseville area and telephone service was affected), they contacted me. I drove to McClellan, grabbed my tool bag and reported to Base Operations. There they put me in a Huey and flew me to Roseville, where we orbited the site before landing. Unfortunately I couldn't fix the radio as the command post vehicle had radios designed for use in planes and I not only wasn't trained on them but didn't even have access to the repair manuals. All I could tell them that it wasn't repairable on site and would have to be taken back to the base.
I've known about Tolar for some years as my wife's father is from Melrose; he and his brothers used to go the the bar in Taiban in the late 1940s. It always surprised me that some of those small towns ever existed at all.
Hi Lance. FYI the provided link Song "Highway Wildflowers" goes to a Vietnamese or Laotian music site. Unfortunate since I wanted to hear the full version of the outro which is most pleasing to the ear. Cheers from Ottawa, ON
I passed through here many times from 1961 to now and never knew the story. Always thought of it as a farm town with times gone bad and probably was once a railroad stop. Another sad story of towns on US 60. Still not as bad as the Dawson NM story.
If you haven't already done one it would be interesting to see you do a video covering the Halifax explosion of 1917, which this story brings to my mind.
I remember as a kid during the Vietnam War, an explosives train blew up in the railyard in Roseville, CA. Houses near the railyard were knocked off their foundations, and windows were blown out of houses miles away. It was quite the scene.
I heard there was a similar event at the Roseville yard in California. Years later they were maintaining the track and found bombs buried from the explosions.
In the same period there were at least two other incidents involving ammunition in transit. The port of Oakland suffered an ammunition ship explosion. Auburn, Ca., had an ammunition train explosion many times larger than the one discussed here.
Kind of like back in the 1970s at Southern Pacific’s Roseville yard in Sacramento a couple of box cars of ordinance blew up and did considerable damage
Love this story, if it involves trains or history I am hooked. I am impressed by how poorly those old news-paper photos translate in digital format. Might work better if colorized, giving them impressionistic qualities. Adds to the presentation, nonetheless.
Find Tolar on Google Maps street view. Quite a few old damaged/dilapidated structures along the highway there. But being that this incident occurred so long ago, it's hard to say if their condition is due to abandonment and lack of upkeep or the train explosion; it might be a combination of the two factors.
An Event that would be perfect for your interest would be the huge explosion at Port Chicago when one ship originally blew up which set off a second Victory/Libery ships. My mother observed the pressure wave in her house over 50 miles away. But the history that screams for a telling. After the mess was cleared up several of the sailor Longshore men refused to go back to work until they received the proper training to handle explosives. This didn't go over well with the Navy instituted Muntiny charges. I'll let you research the whole incident. I'll help as much as I can as I've been researching this off and on for 50 years.
London is sitting with a time bomb in the river thames. A ship loaded to the gunnals with high explosive shells, and other forms of ammunition. And on a recent inspection, it isn't looking good for the ship, it's said if it goes up, it will decimate a good few miles of the river side and heavily damage anything in the river. 😢😮
There's still a few ruins left at Tolar, though of course no one lives there. There is, however, a shady turnout with picnic tables for those needing a break on the drive from Ft. Sumner to Clovis. I know because I make that trip at least once a month...
Remember the Naval Weapon Station, Port Chicago, California...a US Navy ammunition ship exploded, and blew up the loaded ship across the pier. All thats left of the base are the piers, some newer weapons handling facilities, and streets and sidewalks.
This happened in Roseville California when I was a kid in the early 70’s. The train was carrying bombs and blew up. It was devastating. Blew the windows out of my parents house.
June 21st 1970 several cars exploded in Cresent City Illinois. Some rail cars themselves were blown some distance. One story from an observer who was watching when one went off the fireball went over their had and as they ran hard as they could if they would make it.
@@jamessimms415 I think liquefied natural gas. I was in 8th grade and some of the people there gave chilling accounts of parts of tanker cars flying around. To this day I try to leave room to cut a u turn waiting for a train in case of derailment.
Interesting. I was born in Clovis NM 20 yrs later. My dad was stationed at Cannon Air Force base. We were in Germany within a year, so never heard much about the area.
And the guy who died did so because he was watching the fire instead of running away. The Halifax munitions ship explosion killed hundreds in 1917, by the way. But that's Canada, and WW1. ;)
Similar thing happened at East Palestine, OH. The railroads were being run ragged during the war. I'm surprised that there weren't more incidents like this.
What about the explosion of an ammunition ship at Port Chicago, CA? That destroyed the town, but they rebuilt --- on the opposite side of the hill overlooking the the Naval Ammunition Depot there.
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Excellent report, Dear Sir!
I remember it was once said to me, "Safety is a relative term since it only applies when nothing happens."
It's also said that "all safety regulations are written in blood".
You live, and hopefully, learn.
But this was war time.
Still no excuse.
See the USS Indianapolis story.
Normally, no one event creates a disaster. More often, it's a series of events that leads to the disaster. Line up those holes in the Swiss cheese!
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This was a fantastic episode, exactly the kind of deeply significant history that would be forgotten except for the efforts of the history guy.
I grew up in New Mexico, I'm amazed I have never heard this story… you sir, are keeping history alive.
We had something similar in Britain, not too long before this in the same year - a wagon in a train load of bombs caught fire approaching the town of Soham, in Norfolk. The engine crew, realising the danger, uncoupled the wagon and did their best to run it clear of the town; when it exploded it obliterated the station and did immense damage. Had it not been for the immense courage of Driver Gimbert and Fireman Nighthall, who stayed with their engine, it is quite possible that the whole town could have been destroyed. Both men received the George Cross, our highest civilian award for bravery, althoug, sadly, Nighthall didn't live to receive it.
Never heard of this before! Thanks for the insight 😊
Soham is in Cambridgeshire though... 😔
You've still got a huge problem with that ammunition ship sunk in the River Thames. The one marked as a hazard but no one will get rid of.
I'd not heard of that, probably because it was in wartime. I think the Halifax Explosion was the largest wartime accident with munitions and explosives in a populated area. 1917 two ships collided in the harbor narrows. One was a fully laden munitions ship. It caught fire and drifted toward a pier on the Halifax side and exploded with the force of 2.9 Kilotons of TNT. One of the heroic tales that came out of that was a RR dispatcher stayed at his post and telegraphed to stop trains including a passenger train with 300 people that would have been close to the piers had it not been held.
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Finally, Finally someone talks about my state of NM and the ghost town of Tolar, NM's history since it has been forgotten and it really isn't talked about even when history is being taught and New Mexico also, rarely teaches it's history in American history. Just the basics that any state learns about NM.
I am Happy that You History Guy remembers history that needs to be remembered.
New Mexico has a lot of history that nobody really remembers.
where the Trinity Test was conducted
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The Trinity Test was in Almagordo, NM
Which makes sense because Tolar is only 3-4 hours away.
@@Guangrui The Trinity test was conducted in Almagordo, New Mexico
Maybe affected the town of Tolar since it is 4-hours away(roughly)
New Mexico does not speak or teach about the town of Tolar.
Only the ones that were directly involved in the Manhattan project.
They do mention that Albuquerque could see the Light from the blast.
And it is further away from the Trinity test sight
Which is a bombing range out in the middle of nowhere in Almagordo.
The Town of Tolar was just a travel through town and the first test at Trinity was months before the explosion at the town of Tolar. The
Trinity test was in May and the accident in Tolar was in November.
Either way they don't talk about Tolar.
New Mexico had over 400 dead ghost towns
They don't talk about them
They don't talk much about their own history.
They only talk about the history that is only mentioned that is basic and everyone knows.
You want history you have to speak to people who were alive during that time or you are not learning anything.
That why I love the History Guy.
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Texas is the only state that teaches its history but only in elementary and part of middle school. My kids told me this. Every state should teach its own history on how it became a state why, who owned them before and the wars that were fought to become independent etc.
While this was a horrific explosion, and came in the shadow of the deadliest war in human history, I’m still excited that the History Guy is shedding light on the history of my home county. Just too bad it had to be about the Tolar explosion.
I have had a fascination with and have studied history for most of my life. History Guy is one of my favorite sources.
I live near the town of Tolar Texas, and this was the first time I've heard it mentioned as the namesake of another town. I promise, Tolar Texas isn't much larger today than Tolar New Mexico was during the war.
When I was 21 years old I purchased 27 acres just south of highway 4 between Lipan and Santo down a little gravel road at the entrance of which was a road sign that read Tolar 2. That was in 1984. I got rid of the place four or five years later because my father had purchased a much nicer place on the banks of the Brazos just east of there. But I remember riding my tractor from his place to mine to work on my driveway and to make other improvements on my land. It was quite a long trip on that old David Brown with an ice chest full of IBC root beer. But as a result of those experiences, the town of Tolar Texas has always stuck in my mind. Many years later I discovered that there was a punk rock group in Dallas fort Worth who called themselves Tolar after the town. While I doubt that many history guy, fans would have enjoyed their music, I always got a kick out of the fact that at least someone else was aware of the existence of that tiny little burg and celebrated it in some form or fashion. And as I sit here in my house in Olathe, Colorado, 40 years later, I am struck by the tiny points of correspondence for what would seem to be minutiae to anyone else, but figure in my own mind in a disproportionately large way. This little town had effects far beyond its geographical limits and greater and even than the connections of the people who actually live there since neither myself nor I think the members of that band ever actually set foot in tolar itself.
@@frankturrentine I don't know how more people are unfamiliar with Tolar Texas, it HAS to be the 3rd or 4th largest metro area in western Hood county. ;)
Great comment. It would be very strange for a band to come up with that name, if they didn’t have some connection, wouldn’t it?
Having grown up in New Mexico, I've been through Tolar, NM several times. There are residents there today, but not many.
During the Vietnam war, a trail carrying weapons exploded in the California town of ROSEVILLE. My Aunts and Uncles worked for the Southern Pacific at the time. I saw the area where the explosion took place, the devastation was mind boggling. I wish I had known about what happened at Tolar when I went through there. Thank God for The History Guy for saving the history that we ne to remember and never forget. THANKS!
My grandmother was Mrs HH Smith mentioned @ 9:40 was the postmaster. Her mom was Mrs. Harris @ 7:15 I have heard the story many times and have visited the “homestead” a few times. Thanks for the memories and bringing this story to light!
Never know what’s being carried on those trains passing through your town, till something bad happens.
Look up the 1973 explosion in Roseville, CA; a suburb of Sacramento. It destroyed the Southern Pacific rail yard there as well as parts of Roseville. They were still finding unexploded bombs 20-25 years later.
A truck load of rockets bound for Vietnam rolled over in the mousetrap. None of them blew up. I knew the guy driving the truck - he got fired.
Never know what’s being carried on trucks passing through your town until something happens - more frequent than railroad accidents.
The derailment in East Palestine, Ohio was a perfect example of disasters with scary materials being carried through populated areas by train. That was a half hour from me! Unnerving!
Sure. Until they invent teleportation or Star Trek transporter technology, materials still have to be moved from where they are made to where they are used. Most towns and cities were built on roads, railways and / or waterways for that reason. Many urban areas were allowed to build right up to the railroad right-of-way, including residential housing for workers who relied on the commercial and industrial activity that railways generated. A bit late for NIMBY hand wringing now.
Same event happened on 28 April 1973 in Antelope, CA just south of Roseville, CA. Bearing overheat set a box car on fire which was loaded with bombs destine for Vietnam. Pretty much wiped out Antelope.
My home town, Roseville, CA, experienced a similar incident on April 28, 1973. I was 19 and was awakened by a loud explosion on a Saturday morning. Roseville was close to two AFB's, McClellan and Mather, and I assumed a plane had crashed. Roseville back then was the biggest switching yard west of Chicago and life still revolved around working for the Southern Pacific or the Pacific Fruit Express. A train going out of town developed, as in your story, a hot box. The train was carrying many tons of bombs that were destined for Vietnam. The train was no more than a couple of miles from my home. As the first explosion was followed by more it was obvious it wasn't a plane crash. My dad, who worked for the Southern Pacific, learned what was happening. My family was "shirttail relatives" with the then mayor of Roseville who had flown over the site and gave us more information. The small town of Antelope, CA, adjacent to the blasts, simply ceased to exist; wiped off the map. I took a drive through the area shortly after it was all cleared up. I had roamed all through the area as a kid and knew it well. I was amazed by what I saw. There was a large grove of oak trees that had to have been near 100 years old or more. They were very stout and healthy trees with thick branches as old oaks can have. It was very eerie to drive past them and see how the explosions had twisted the trees into strange and unnatural positions. It took my breath away. We had to evacuate from our home for the rest of the day and returned on Sunday afternoon. It was quite a memorable day when we came under shelling for a brief time. It brought Vietnam home in a more visceral way than I'd thought possible.
I was going to mention Roseville too. I was stationed at Mather at the time, and could hear it plainly from there about 12 miles away. I had gone to college near an Army tank and artillery training ground and recognized the sound, but I couldn't figure out where the explosions could possibly be happening. It was only when I went to the BX a while later and the checkout clerk asked me if I'd heard it that I learned what I had heard.
I was 14, bowling in a league at UC Davis. The bowling alley was underground, we could hear the bombs clearly!
I'm from Clovis, and my grandmother and aunt worked at the News Journal for years, i remember hearing about that growing up. Thanks for this episode, like you said, "it deserves to be remembered".
I grew up in Portales, born 1952, and through the years heard part of this story. Thanks for putting it together in a very informative and entertaining manner!
I heard this story many years ago. I retired from BN&SF which included the old AT&SF Railroad. I've spent more time than I wanted in Tolar working on the track. I never did actually find where the explosion occurred. Thank you for giving a more detailed and complete explanation.
Although I am a native of El Paso, Texas, I worked for 34 years in New Mexico, including 5 years in Clovis, *yet I had never heard of the Tolar explosion.* Thanks for the valuable education, Lance.
I’ve been a fan of The History Guy Channel for years. Very well done and obscure and sometimes not obscure, but casting new light on an old topic where not everything has been shown.
Lived in Portales for over six years before moving to Albuquerque. I made that drive more than a dozen times and never knew this happened. That explains the historical marker that I passed every time. Thank you for the history lesson of such a little known place. I always enjoy learning something new. Especially something so close to home.
Had heard some of the story from my grandparents back in the 80's. One set lived in Portales, one in Melrose. Used to go through Tolar and Taiban on the way to Fort Sumner. Now I know the rest.
Good Wednesday morning History Guy and everyone watching.
Didn't know there was a Tolar New Mexico.
And thank you History Guy for pronouncing Tolar correctly.
Also, could you do the New London School explosion. My grandfather helped with the rescue. I have pictures of the event, if you'd like.
I’ve lived in New Mexico for years, and didn’t know about the Tolar explosion until this moment. Than you, History Guy!
It's hard to fathom how vastly destructive an explosion this size is. Literally hurls the atmosphere you breathe through your life like a physical wall.
Thank you good story.
Well stated.
Does it also liquefy your organs
It is an absolute miracle only one man was killed by this. If this occurred in a bigger town, hundreds might have died. Do they still transport bombs on the ground, or are they moved by aircraft now?
I'm sure ordinance is shipped both on rail and via the interstate highway system. My husband and I were driving through Wyoming when we encountered an Air Force convoy moving what were obviously nuclear warheads. There were two helicopters and a gunship overhead, plus numerous military vehicles surrounding it. Personified the term "armed to the teeth."@@thunderbird1921
I always look forward to this show. It's even helped to improve a work place relationship where 2 guys have found their love of history more important than our selfish arguments. So, Thank you very much!!
These are the kinds of videos I love most. So many many towns and people history in the US that definitely 'deserves to be remembered'! Thank you! ❤
Portales resident, here. Quite appreciate the accuracy in historical accounts of our area.
Very well done and you even pronounce Portales correctly. Amazing that only one person was killed. Unfortunately, that stretch of highway from Melrose to Fort Sumner has claimed several lives in traffic accidents. Be safe when traveling that road.
Outstanding History Guy. Lots of history in New Mexico. This was one of your best.
My father was a conductor on the BNSF rail line that runs through Tolar. I've personally driven through Tolar hundreds of times. I also thought I had a real grasp of the history of that region, but apparently not. This is the first I've ever heard of it.
I may be among the few who have seen the Tolar Monument. I was casual traveling on US 60 last year and just happened to see it. Wondered about it but didn't know much about it until now. Thanks.
The historical marker is a waypoint "portal" in a mobile game called Ingress, so I'd say at least... a half a dozen of us Ingress players have stopped there.
Train accidents wire me. I live in Butler Pennsylvania in a highrise for old people. I'm 62. Veterans and old people living here at Terrace apartments overlooking the train tracks and the creek. 12 times a day the train horn blows. Our building shakes a bit and it's every day life. But yesterday at about 4:25 am the train whistle blew and ran over a 55 year old man. Right out my window. They took him to Butler Memorial Hospital where he subsequently died. I love trains but I'll always remember yesterday. That's my history worth remembering. Prayers for him. Name not released yet till family is notified. Coal and steel country here. Those lines are important to us... but accidents stay sad forever.
Sorry you had to witness that. And yes, it does stay with you. I still have vivid memories of a plane crash I witnessed over 50 years ago.
I have driven that road between Ft. Sumner and Clovis 20-30 times over the years. Just barely recall Tolar as one of the wide spots in the road. May have to stop and poke around next time.
I had heard of Toler, but it was from searching records for family who had settled in Roosevelt county. I grew up over the line in Amarillo. Great to know what happened to it. Thanks!
Interesting.
Good stuff Lance.
Remembering where you were in life at certain points is always a benchmark of history as we remember it.
So awesome to hear this story my wife is a decendant of mr jesse brown who sadly passed in this event i got here this story from her family who still owns a peice of this land in tolar
My youngest daughter and her family live in San Antonio, and the best way to drive to see her from Albuquerque is to go through Lubbock, a route that includes that stretch of road between Ft. Sumner and Clovis. I’m sure I’ll take more note of Tolar the next time we pass through.
Travelled through Tolar, NM at least twice and had no idea what happened there; will search out the site next time I pass through! Always learn something for you.
Thank you, History Guy. You're doing important work.
I’ve never heard of this event before. This is why I love the History Guy’s videos. Always gonna learn something new.
Good one. Thanks for posting these little known stories.
I think @Part-Time Explorer needs to do an episode on this town! Thanks for the fascinating story!
Wowza... I am from New Mexico, and have taken several college level courses about the history of the state but have never heard of this.
I'm from New Mexico, born and raised. I've never even heard of this story before!
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I think this might be the first time I heard a model railroad magazine quoted in a standard history research video and that makes me very happy.
They do lots of stories on rail history.
I've passed through Tolar many times over the years, including about a week ago. There's an old church in Taiban that was pretty photogenic. It's slowly but surely fading away. I've never stopped to look at the marker. I will now that I know it exists :)
Back in 2007, I drove thru this area on the way to Artesia.
Talk about "not the end of the Earth, but you can see it from there".
We drove the state highway that goes from southwest of Fort Sumpter, to the highway junction just north of Roswell. 60 miles, +/- Didn't see a single vehicle during the whole stretch.
11:05 historical marker near MM 344 on NM Highway 60 / 84. Added marker to OpenStreetMap and linked to some articles from Tolar Wikipedia page.
Great episode! Thank you!
Thank you so much for these videos
I’ve been through that area numerous times and can confirm. Tumbleweeds and dust. The only thing I’ve seen thriving is antelope and a couple deer and rabbits. It’s crazy to think people are living out there but having lived in cities and then out in the countryside it’s easy to see what keeps them there. Lonely and beautiful for it.
Hey History Guy, the name of the town Tolar, reminds me of the origin of the word Dollar, and its connection to the Czech mountain town of Jáchymov. Perhaps you could make a video about the "Dollar."
BTW, many Czechs emmigrated to Texas, so it is not a surprise that there is a town named Tolar there.
Dollar comes from the Dutch "daalder" and originates in New Amsterdam, before the British took over and renamed it to New York. Many Dutch words have been anglicised, baas (boss), koekje (cookie) and more.
New Amsterdam was the economic center of the (then) New World, as the VOC had a stake in the city. They had no interest in defending it though, nor did the Dutch government, or the traders living in New Amsterdam. When the British were at the gates, they told Peter Stuyvesant to surrender or they'd offer him to the British as a token of peace and a sacrifice. They'd rather have their business continue than to wage war, so the city was traded for land rights in South America (for the British) and East Timor for the Dutch. This is where nutmeg grew, which made the Dutch extremely rich.
Until a British naval officer smuggled some seeds to India and killed the monopoly.
@@Yvolve it's older than that. Dollar comes from the German name Tahler, which is what coins minted in Joachimsthal (which means St. Joachim's valley.) The world's first big silver mines were dug in the area around 1512. The coins minted in the town were first known as "Joachimsthalers" this name was shortened (around 1520) to "Tahlers" and were used throughout the Holy Roman Empire. Due to trade with Scandinavia, the Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish started minting coins and calling them "dalers." The Spanish Eight-Real coins (aka, Pieces-of-eight) were the same size and weight as the German Reichstahler, so US colonists started calling them "Spanish Dollars." When the US started minting it's own coins, the name "United States Dollar" or just "Dollar" stuck. The Dutch also got the name "daalder" from the German Reichstahler, minting their first "Kruisdaalder" in 1567.
@@vaclavholek4497 The direct predecessor to dollar is still daalder, which comes from tahler as you said but the spelling originates in the Netherlands. Tahler do dollar is not logical, daalder to dollar is.
The American borrowed a lot from the Dutch, not only because there were thousands and thousands of Dutch immigrants. Besides a ton of words, the American constitution is in quite a large part based on the Dutch "Plakkaat der Verlatinghe" (the Declaration of Abjuration) which it used to secede from Spain.
My "Santa Fe" railfan friend and I drove from Flagstaff , where he was in school at NAU, to Kansas City (my hometown) in 1968. Chuck wanted to shoot the ATSF along the "cutoff" from Belen through NM (Mountainaire, Vaughn, etc) and on through Oklahoma. We stopped in Tolar and he regaled me with the story of the 1944 explosion. We poked around and found a chunk of a Bettendorf truck sideframe about 500 yards from where the explosion occurred. Coincidental - maybe or maybe from the big bang! Thanks for the story.
I see there were a bunch of us who remember the similar incident in Roseville, CA back on April 28, 1973.
When it happened I was living in Rancho Cordova 15 miles south of Roseville. My father and I drove up there, picked up my grandmother and brought her down to our place. I was stationed at McClellan AFB in the communications unit as a ground radio repairman. The base's emergency command post vehicle was dispatched to Roseville but ended up having radio problems so they needed someone to look at it. That afternoon, when they couldn't contact the repairman on standby duty (he lived in the Roseville area and telephone service was affected), they contacted me. I drove to McClellan, grabbed my tool bag and reported to Base Operations. There they put me in a Huey and flew me to Roseville, where we orbited the site before landing. Unfortunately I couldn't fix the radio as the command post vehicle had radios designed for use in planes and I not only wasn't trained on them but didn't even have access to the repair manuals. All I could tell them that it wasn't repairable on site and would have to be taken back to the base.
1st time I heard of this event. Thanx Mr. History Guy.
I've known about Tolar for some years as my wife's father is from Melrose; he and his brothers used to go the the bar in Taiban in the late 1940s. It always surprised me that some of those small towns ever existed at all.
Thank you for sharing!
havent seen mrs history guy in a long time enjoyed your collaboration
Sadly, we are no longer together, and she is no longer involved in the channel.
Hi Lance. FYI the provided link Song "Highway Wildflowers" goes to a Vietnamese or Laotian music site. Unfortunate since I wanted to hear the full version of the outro which is most pleasing to the ear.
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I've been to Tolar... dryed up wide spot in the road for sure.
I passed through here many times from 1961 to now and never knew the story. Always thought of it as a farm town with times gone bad and probably was once a railroad stop. Another sad story of towns on US 60. Still not as bad as the Dawson NM story.
Years ago, my aunt was a Postmaster in Olive Branch, Mississippi, she referred to her as Postmistress. referring @9:41
My children live along the railroad that passes through alamogordo Northrough Tularosa, Carrizozo, etc. all the train stations are gone.
I moved to Clovis two months ago and work in Portales, so this was sure interesting to me!
If you haven't already done one it would be interesting to see you do a video covering the Halifax explosion of 1917, which this story brings to my mind.
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I remember as a kid during the Vietnam War, an explosives train blew up in the railyard in Roseville, CA. Houses near the railyard were knocked off their foundations, and windows were blown out of houses miles away. It was quite the scene.
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I heard there was a similar event at the Roseville yard in California. Years later they were maintaining the track and found bombs buried from the explosions.
I'd love for you to cover the four corners history
In the same period there were at least two other incidents involving ammunition in transit.
The port of Oakland suffered an ammunition ship explosion.
Auburn, Ca., had an ammunition train explosion many times larger than the one discussed here.
Kind of like back in the 1970s at Southern Pacific’s Roseville yard in Sacramento a couple of box cars of ordinance blew up and did considerable damage
Love this story, if it involves trains or history I am hooked.
I am impressed by how poorly those old news-paper photos translate in digital format. Might work better if colorized, giving them impressionistic qualities. Adds to the presentation, nonetheless.
Most all of these photos had been transferred to microfilm, which is why the quality is so bad.
Another EXCELLENT video
I never knew about that town and I've passed by it several times on highway 60.
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I'm guessing, having driven through there, Tolar still looks exactly the way it did after the debris was cleared up.
Find Tolar on Google Maps street view. Quite a few old damaged/dilapidated structures along the highway there. But being that this incident occurred so long ago, it's hard to say if their condition is due to abandonment and lack of upkeep or the train explosion; it might be a combination of the two factors.
This made me wish I could travel there with my metal detector from california
Pictures of the ghost town would have been awesome. Good video, thanks!
An Event that would be perfect for your interest would be the huge explosion at Port Chicago when one ship originally blew up which set off a second Victory/Libery ships. My mother observed the pressure wave in her house over 50 miles away.
But the history that screams for a telling. After the mess was cleared up several of the sailor Longshore men refused to go back to work until they received the proper training to handle explosives. This didn't go over well with the Navy instituted Muntiny charges. I'll let you research the whole incident. I'll help as much as I can as I've been researching this off and on for 50 years.
A great story. Thanks again!
Your endings always remind me of the end of the great story teller, Paul Harvey's, line: "And now you know the rest of the story"
Belen is pronounce Ba linn. Still an important train yard for BNSF. It is also the terminus of the commuter rail line, the Rail Runner
London is sitting with a time bomb in the river thames.
A ship loaded to the gunnals with high explosive shells, and other forms of ammunition.
And on a recent inspection, it isn't looking good for the ship, it's said if it goes up, it will decimate a good few miles of the river side and heavily damage anything in the river. 😢😮
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@@TheHistoryGuyChannel I just went to go watch that video from six years ago and you look younger now than you did then!
There's still a few ruins left at Tolar, though of course no one lives there. There is, however, a shady turnout with picnic tables for those needing a break on the drive from Ft. Sumner to Clovis. I know because I make that trip at least once a month...
Remember the Naval Weapon Station, Port Chicago, California...a US Navy ammunition ship exploded, and blew up the loaded ship across the pier. All thats left of the base are the piers, some newer weapons handling facilities, and streets and sidewalks.
This happened in Roseville California when I was a kid in the early 70’s. The train was carrying bombs and blew up. It was devastating. Blew the windows out of my parents house.
June 21st 1970 several cars exploded in Cresent City Illinois. Some rail cars themselves were blown some distance. One story from an observer who was watching when one went off the fireball went over their had and as they ran hard as they could if they would make it.
Same thing happened to Laurel, MS & Springville, AL; propane? tank cars exploded from the SAME train.
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I think liquefied natural gas. I was in 8th grade and some of the people there gave chilling accounts of parts of tanker cars flying around. To this day I try to leave room to cut a u turn waiting for a train in case of derailment.
Interesting. I was born in Clovis NM 20 yrs later. My dad was stationed at Cannon Air Force base. We were in Germany within a year, so never heard much about the area.
How about doing an episode about the Roseville California train/bomb blowup caused by a "hot box" during the Vietnam War?
I lived in the area for several years and never heard of it
Reminds me of Lewis, Indiana railroad explosion. Believe it was postwar. Entire town was leveled.
I have see the monument. It is still amazing how far a train axel could be thrown by the blast.
A similar incident happened in Roseville CA in the early 70s.
Thanks History Guy
It's cool out there. There's nothing around for miles. You would have been able to see the smoke from the sandias.
And the guy who died did so because he was watching the fire instead of running away. The Halifax munitions ship explosion killed hundreds in 1917, by the way. But that's Canada, and WW1. ;)
The Halifax Explosion and the Boston Christmas Tree
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Google the Texas City Monsanto explosion 1947.
4:24 so that's where that term comes from, not that I've heard it elsewhere or anything
Thank you History Guy
Have you done a clip on the Roseville Ammunition train explosion?
I was a conductor on freight trains that ran through Tolar.
Similar thing happened at East Palestine, OH. The railroads were being run ragged during the war. I'm surprised that there weren't more incidents like this.
What about the explosion of an ammunition ship at Port Chicago, CA? That destroyed the town, but they rebuilt --- on the opposite side of the hill overlooking the the Naval Ammunition Depot there.