Hiro Naval Arsenal - The Forgotten Pioneer of Japanese Flying Boats
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Today we're taking a look at the flying boats built by the Hiro Naval Arsenal of Imperial Japan. Often forgotten, these aircraft pioneered the design techniques that led other companies - such as Kawanishi - to great success, kick-starting a love affair between the IJN and Flying Boats in general.
Sources:
Mikesh.R.C & Abe.S (1990), Japanese Aircraft 1910-1941 - geni.us/ADrheVX
Nozawa.T & Iwata.T (1959), Encyclopedia of Japanese Aircraft 1900-1945, Vol.3: Kawanishi, Hirosho.
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Staying with the aquatic theme then, would you consider adding the highly unusual Goodyear GA-33 Inflatoplane to your list of aircraft you intend to cover?
Would an analysis of a fictional aircraft (inspired by real ones), ever be on your list of potential video topics?
I’m baffled. Is that a map of Japan at 1:05??? I thought that the island chain ran north-south, not east-west.
@@pat8988 not if your Japanese
@@lorenrogers9269 I would love to make a similar aircraft in my garage
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Inside Kure's Yamato Museum, Hiro is part of Kure, there is a wall of models depicting all the aircraft produced by the factory and the factory history is also shared. If you want to see a depiction of the arsenal, the animated movie In This Corner of the World features it throughout as the protagonist's father in law is an employee. It even accurately depicts some of the arsenal bomb raids and Kure's colorful flak bursts, which are something that made it into B-29 bomber crew logs.
yeaaahhhh I was at this Yamato museum in ...2016... but damn , I dont remember the flyboats section ?!?!
@@oddballsok It's easy to miss as the wall panels telling the Kure story are on the opposite wall, so unless you turn around you'll miss it.
Could you also cover dutch airplanes from WW2, because the Koolhovens and Fokkers from the dutch airforce were quite advanced and inflicted quite heavy casualties on the germans, but they are largely forgotten
Sounds like a good topic
That fixed gear Fokker fighter of that era was nice..... D21 I think it was.....
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D21, I had to look it up, cool
@@davidvavra9113 very nice plane I like that one. First found about it in a book in 7tt grade.
Koolhoven F.K.58, a Dutch fighter with a British engine, American guns, ordered by French, flown by Poles. Definitely should make an appearance on this channel.
I've loved boats my entire life, add wings...I mean come on, you had me at boat. Great content mate!
Very interesting. Aircraft evolved so quickly between the wars that I'm surprised any designs managed to be produced in numbers.
You say that, yet the Hurricane, the Ju-87, the Wellesley et. al. all inter-war planes
That’s why there’s an argument that the 1930s rearmament had to be relatively ‘late’, otherwise the RAF would have started the war with a huge force of Hawker Harts & Hinds! By starting a bit later, they were able to start the buildup with the likes of Hurricanes (okay, and Fairey Battles etc…) and others.
Some beautiful designs here. I love flying boats. Thank You, Rex.
Anything about IJN flying boats is a must see for me!
On Monday. See your GP. 💡
I know this has been the "Jet Age" since 1945 but the old prop planes, they're just beautiful works of art. Today's planes are almost without art. Function now rules the air.
Function has always ruled the air, actually. Planes we consider beautiful look that way because of aerodynamics etc.
Also, I disargee that planes are no longer beautiful. The F-22 has nice lines.
I agree with each. Whenever I see the Cutlass, I just have to stop what I’m doing and gape. But I had an art deco stylized poster of the Martin M-130 that made my heart ache, but I had to give it to a man with a business at the Oshkosh airport who was beginning some T-28 restoration projects - I wish I remembered his name, this was some 25 years ago - but he appreciated it even more so I had to give it to him. I often wonder what it is about aircraft that can sway a man - is it the technical aspects or the artistic that causes man to love machine.
I love airplane blueprints. As a kid it just blew my mind that all these different military planes from this book I had just started as drawings. Same with their engines, and the angles of the airframe, etc.... it was all some guy with a pencil and paper, and maybe some simple mathematical knowledge... there is always help from technicians, of course, but at that point you're manufacturing the thing.
Resemblance of Pan Am Clippers of that Era. Gotta love them Sea Planes. TY, again for the Educational & Entertaining peeks.
Thank you for shining a light into the corners of aviation history .
Excellent content on Japanese flying boats! The Kawanishi was always a favorite of mine.
Amazing work. I never would have thought I would find the subject of interwar era Japanese flying boats to be the least bit interesting, and I found your video to be quite fascinating.
Bravo!
It seems that the following led to Japan's best flying boats. Kawanishi design team leader. " We shall build an excellent flying boat. Check out all of Hiro's innovations. We shall adopt none of these. To ensure our success!" Thanks for another great video.
I think it's crazy to think Japan still makes flying boats. To some degree.
and they are some of the best in the world...it does seem to have become something of a speciality
@@kidmohair8151 ..only in the world...
@@dallesamllhals9161 well...as far as this world is concerned. I can't speak for any others
@@kidmohair8151 What i meant: Aren't Japan the only ones that uses new'ish designed 4 engined flying boats(Amphibious aircrafts)?
@@dallesamllhals9161 There one of a few countries that domestically uses there own aircrafts mostly.
Well done Rex!
Another great vid! I do love me some interesting flying boat history.
I know you get lots of requests.. I would KILL for your take on the interesting, colorful, checkered history on the Lockheed F-104 Starfighter (my favorite unforgiving little wasp of a plane!)
I know it's a bit newer than most planes on this channel, but I'm hoping it's right in that sweet spot of cold war history that you'd be willing to cover?
Finally flying boats... go on, don't stop.
the early 1900s was such a magical time
beautiful development story
My paternal grandmother was Jenny Short. Yes, of the Short family. I'm not sure who she was the daughter of, just some 'trivia' from my father from eons ago. Sadly, he's passed away, so I can't find out.
My grandfather was RNVR, Lt.Comm, & served on corvettes in WW2, got sunk twice, & wound up inspecting Liberty ships being built on the US West Coast.
Another excellent video, especially given the paucity of information. Thank you!
Wonderful video. Thank you
I’ve got quite addicted to your videos, being an aircraft fan myself I find your videos well presented, well researched and highly entertaining.
I love how your focusing on the stranger side of aviation.
I’ve just found your video on the Buffalo…a plane i utterly adore!
Keep up the great work
Thanks for sharing 👍
I wish I understand why I love flying boats and seaplanes so much, this is completely useless information but i absolutely love it.
Like for the "Holding out for a hero" reference.
Excellent topic, and cudos for listening and being moderate with the ads, integrity matters a lot for such otherwise high quality channels, the money will come with the viewership.
Brilliant as ever. Love watching the rapid evolution of these planes. Can really see what was being learned with each iteration.
Looks super similar to the modern design!
3:00 Japanese written horizontally was generally written right to left before 1946. This is written with the classic old characters as used at that time in China as well, but the characters were simplified after the war. It says: 霞ヶ浦湖上F5號飛行艇. A model F5 flying boat ("hikoutei") on Kasumigaura Lake. (Since 1948 or so, 號 is now written 号.) 4:00 This was written left to right, which I honestly haven't seen in pre-war postcards, and I wonder if it was re-captioned as the printing looks modern.
The photo is labelled Roorubahha ("Rolbach") R-1 flying boat at the bottom, and in white is labelled "Feb 1973 issue of Airplane Maniacs," I assume a magazine. Since it's not called a Hiro I assume it's an actual German-made plane.
5:04 This is credited Roorubahha/Hiro model R-3 flying boat.
8:02 一五式飛行艇改一: Type 15 flying boat (modified)
9:25 I can't guess where this might be from current maps, due to continued land reclamation all along the Japanese coast. If this shot is somewhere near the factory it might be the Muko river in Amagasaki, but who knows.
19:35 no idea why カモヰ (kamowi) is written on it but Google shows a model of a different flying boat with this registration. (Several other aircraft pictured have registration ヨ-60 so whatever this number is it's clearly reused.)
Thank you.
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Really interesting video there. Fascinating to see how the designs of other countries were taken and tweaked.
Hey Rex, could you do a video on the J1N? It’s a rather forgotten IJN aircraft that I’ve not seen videos about.
Awesome as always. I've always loved flying boat's!
Good show.
GREAT video, Rex...👍👍
Thank you for a look at a less-common aspect!
Fascinating peer into a little studied chapter of aviation.
Great... I was about to go to sleep and now I will have Bonnie Taylor singing in made head all night...
Look what you done, look what you done, Mr. Hangar.
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I would love to see you do a follow on series of Kawanishi flying boats.
Excellent videos Rex, the more obscure the aircraft you feature the more interesting they are to the average, reasonably well informed aircraft buff. Probably more work to put together though right ?
Thumbnail title win. 💯
Read the title and ... it suddenly dawned on me. Had to actually laugh so hard, I needed to pause and write this comment at 0:03
Another good one
I'm going to like this just for the title.
Yo-KO-ska. SAS-eh-bo. Keep up the good work.
Our kind is nearly extinct, and no one will mourn us 🤪
SA SE BO. Japanese syllables end in vowels, except -n- for the pedants.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005 I just remember how the natives spoke it. Was stationed in Yoko for five years.
@@MrCenturion13 I was really glad you didn't try the way sailors said YA KOOS KA. I was there for three years and took some classes afterwards, enough to read train schedules and recognize station names and bus signs.
@@grizwoldphantasia5005 : I always hated that. They lived there for years and it was clear from the way they talked that no shits were given.
Your vids are outstanding.
Thanks!
Your best video yet perhaps . So little pre ww II info on Japanese efforts
I'll have you know I had a proper groan at the thumbnail. Good job.
Not all Hiros wear capes
I think I'd have subbed on the strength of this video's cheeky title, if I hadn't already...
Great 👍 grandad 👏 love these Japanese aircraft from WW2.
I'd love to see you cover the supermarine walrus
Liked... And added to watch later... Because I'M too busy now😅
You can share videos to your own email too,
fascinatingly obscure. Obviously the experience influenced Japan's later continuation of the concept. Flying boats are obviously well-suited to Japan's configuration and scarcity of flat places not required for rice-growing.
That thumbnail got me lol
I can see how development took forever in Japan, what with them constantly nodding and bowing over to their perceived superiors.
What is a bench- vs horn-type aileron balances?
Loving your videos! This one was especially interesting.
One small note on pronunciation: Yokosuka is not pronounced phonetically. It is properly 'Yo-ku-ska'.
_Hiro factory, we build Hiros!_
Something tells me the Catalina flying boat hull design is inspired by the Japanese flying boats. Or at least the NC Curtiss.
Going from hero to zero usually revolves around lack of...Dinero
Every time when I hear the engine start in the intro I think that there will a rap music video start :D
Mmm
I wonder how much “input” the 19th Lord Sempill gave as well….
0:45 Rex's Hangar: (talks about using Japanese source to talk about the Hiro Naval Arsenal)
Also Rex's Hanger: (shows a biplane made by Mitsubishi, a different manufacturer)
LOL
talks about being an innovator…mentions multiple aircraft from Germany and the UK that it “borrowed” designs from
11:06 Where exactly does the fuselage meet the hull?
the waterline…above is plane, below is boat 😉
Oh yes the Japanese Air Navy
Hmm? I wonder where the PBY Catalina came from?
SKY BANANA-WHALES! :D
Did any of the experience in pre-war Japanese flying boats get carried over to the post-war Shin-Meiwa US-1A design of the early 1950s?
That H1H1 shows up in Porco Rosso.
Yup! WAY to much Kawanishi ♥ these days...wait...me too 😲
spending the first half of this video hoping there's an H3H3 so I can make a joke about how everyone claimed to start hating it when it started flying left but it hasn't really hurt the viewing numbers and honestly yesterday's episode with Tana Mongeau, Jeff Wittek, and Mike Majlak was _surprisingly_ good.
oh baby here we go! H3H1! Hasan take the yoke!
who are you that is so knowledgeable in the ways of things?
Looking at the Hiro's , the Kawanishi's did away with lumps n bumps and put in flow to their Designs ..Good one Rex..please do the Shitei Recon..
Was this "friendly" competition as friendly as the "friendly" rivalry between the army and navy?
2:50 this one's very cute :)
Yes it is
i wonder if they ever built an H3H3
Was it wood or bamboo ?
Shout out to everyone else who was really hoping for the intro to be set to Bonnie Tyler
We don’t need another Hiro. Or do we?
it’s not the Hiro you want, but it’s the Hiro you need
did they not examine the pby?
they couldn’t steal the designs…i mean “improve upon the design”
広 Japanese version of 广
pronounced as HIRO means WIDESPREAD， BROAD
Similar to Catalina
It's literally completely different.
@@randomnickify you’re right…the Catalina was actually not stolen nor slapped together from parts from multiple countries
I guess still flying boat are needed for japan
Did not Japan recently reintroduce flying boats into naval & civil service?
They never got rid of them. The newest model, the US-2, has a trick system to eliminate boundary layer turbulence by sucking air inside the wing through tiny holes, like an air hockey table in reverse. It can take off in extremely short distances.
Recall Boeing started out in a boat shop
not a shop, an entire shipyard…Boeing pretty much assumed ownership of the shipyard due to the shipyard owing him a yacht but went under before it could be built. they used the facility for 20 years before moving away from flying boats
who does the translations.......................
ヨ is a japanese letter, sounds like yo. not a kanji.
Yes, the Europeans put in a great effort to help backward tribal Japan, to turn on their helpers ... yeah! There's a lesson there.....
every one of the designs were a modified European design, yet he’s claiming that they’re innovative 🤣🙄
The title made me listen to Bonnie Tyler and i have no regrets
PLEASE CONSIDER EXPANDING THIS ANALYSIS BY CONTINUING UP TO , THRU WWII , AND BEYOND , WITH SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE " EMILY "
Who knew that the IJN was supported by female songstresses from Wales?!
liking and commenting
(so there, tube of you. suck on that)
Sounds dirty
@@jeebusk that hadn't occurred to me...
shall I rephrase?...let's see...feast?...gargle?
regurgitate? ingest?
@@kidmohair8151 i think we can do worse...
@@jeebusk over to you JK!
@@jeebusk I thought those were all pretty disgusting
this is a comment
how exactly can you be a pioneer when the bulk of your designs are a ripoff of other successful designs! the company didn’t innovate, it stole ideas and altered them then passed them off as new
How are you stupid enough to not understand the point, so you could build your own version of an F35 if I gave you the specs? No you couldn't you still need understanding of the subject of which you have none. Stick to trains 🤓