Biden explicitly said that if Russian invades "we will put an end to Nord stream" The US chose to risk the future of German citizens in order to keep the politicians in line. It is truly despicable.
You dont understand democracy. He got there for being smart and capable, not put by a dictator. He has his duties and he doesnt care what some people think.
@@iAnasazi Occupation means having boots on the ground and weapons and complete obedience to the occupier. Above all, Germany is also financing its own occupation, just like Japan.
In the 1990's the world wide main stream news did a Broadcast story head lined as China's sleeper chips. The news anchor stated that China has been embedding these sleeper chips into every part of the worlds infrastructure computer boards, from electrical grides to our cars, phones appliance's, etc. He stated in the 90's that these sleeper chips are so small that you can not see them with the naked eye, he even showed the viewers just how large of a hand held magnifying glass it takes just to see them on the integrated circuit boards, and that their best guess is that they have been installed as early as the 60's. The story went on to say that the sleeper chips can do everything from execute code at a particular date to listen to a conversation and transmit/ route that data anywhere it needed to go.
Exactly. Why is it news that Russia has spies when the most famous spies in the world are the CIA, who have been immortalized in many Hollywood movies. "I'm Bond, James Bond."
The US invaded dozens of countries and toppled dozens of democratically elected governments this century but if any other nation dares to gather any intelligence at all its a huge risk and we need to act fast.. 🤡
Yes, everyone should listen to it, to hear for themselves that there is no evidence whatsoever of aby coup there (because the only coups in Ukraine were organised by Russia)
These group of speakers seem to be living in metaverse war games.. dreaming about a group of bad guys somewhere, and we have to fight them so that either they die or we die..😅
I don't get how it's totally ok and just for the US to spy on literally everyone and all of their enemies but if anyone else dares to gather any intelligence at all its a national security risk for the west and we need to act now to stop it...
The English gave the Russians a recording of the conversation between high-ranking German officers, with the knowledge of America. All this is to discipline Germany. This is a trifle compared to what the Anglo-Saxons did to Germany with the destruction of Nord Stream 2
Why should not Russia snoop in on German army communications when Germany is aiding war against Russia ? Russia is an expert in hybrid war and land war and aerial war. What is the frustration if someone is better at things you also do ?
@@Crashed131963 What do you mean who cares? With such approach who cares that there are many more or less similar pipelines from Norway to Europe which also could be targeted by some, let's say, admirers of Russia and that is the whole free world if you don't know it!!! Such secret operation that was planned and organized by the American special forces with the help of some Europeans counterparts is an example of terrorism lifted to a state level and you can't simply do such things with a country like Russia without some severe consequences. You're talking like they just broke some not useful anymore child's toy and simply got away with that.
@@stephenmuir5030 the panel said the West is unprepared for Russian hybrid war, why then continue with ruinous policies if they know the electorate will react?
In these talks on that table is been said a lot about who is the enemy, and people in EU who have on some points a other narrative seems to be a problem/enemy? Democracy is about people can have diffent narratives. Since when is that not allowed?
No, they're falling into a deeper trap! *Let's be clear, NATO is a collection of countries that have been the greatest evil this planet has ever seen!* Yet, they think the countries that don't murder, steal & terrorize are evil and after them! *All of that, and no foundation of civilization has ever come from a NATO country... Not One!*
to late... if trump gets america out of nato putin will attack the baltics. putin is also already planning to invade moldova after ukraine. and the sad part of all because the west continuesly say they wont send troops and dont involve in the conflict pution knows he can do what he want and get away with it. defence budgets are rising in nato countries but it got only weaker recently
No DW Germany doesnt want to deliver the Taurus missile to Ukraine. You are the one who wants Taurus missile to be delivered into Ukraine. Do not identify your views to the views of the public.
Europe and the West in general will have to come to terms with Russia's interest,they can never be your Africa, and you can only work with them on an equal basis,those who entertain ideas like Russia becoming a back water of Europe are simply dreaming.
We tried to be friends with Russia but they saw it as weakness. Reagan was right. Russia understands and respects strength. Not someone who hides under his bed and begs for mercy whenever Russia issues threats, like Scholtz.
@kejuu6887 You sort friendship with Russia by on one hand building pipelines,and on the other hand, bringing Nato closer and closer to their borders,eventually engineering a regime change in Ukraine,Georgia,also two failed once in Belarus and Kazakhstan,have you wondered why they're cooperating with the Chinese,well it's because the Chinese unlike you comes with business rather than arms.
@@jamesmiller2735 China and Russia are not real friends. They just have a common enemy. China wants Russian far east for its resources. Russian neighbours seek protection from NATO and are right to do so because Russia keeps invading them. We need to break Putin's Russia and make west Russia democratic nation, there is no other way.
I've known for years, but really begun to internalize recently that when it comes to doing our part, other than voting the most important thing we can do as citizens of the west is to not spread hatred against one another in person AND online. I struggle with this, not so much hatred in terms of name calling, but it can get heated when you argue with someone about a topic you care deeply about. The most important thing we can do is still engage in this debate but in a more compassionate and less sarcastic and aggressive way. Realizing that we have our issues in our countries, big ones at that, but that the threat from outside (Russia) is real and that we need to recognize our similarities and treat each other as humans.
The US and NATO uses hybrid warfare on every country it does not control. The 2014 Ukraine CIA/State dept organized coup is just an example among many.
"They know since west is already doing it for so long." If they already knew this, what was the purpose of threatening that *if* the west does this, we will use nuclear weapons? According to you, they already knew the west had done this, yet, clearly, have not responded by using nuclear weapons. So, threatening the use of nuclear weapons is just an empty gesture?
- Russia: "Here you go german public, hear your military leaders discussing an attack on a nuclear power without consulting your representatives." - Pro ukrainian armchair hwaks: "hybrid war reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
No, it's not. Cyber war is like artillery - it is used to soften things up. It is PART of a hybrid war. The rest, short of actual battle, is also intended to soften things up.
Wasint the real story that the german leaks implied that the UK had troops on the ground in ukraine? The Reason it was being discussed is that the germans believe that the only way they can send the Taurus missiles, is if they also send German soldiers to operate the targeting systems.
this is rich. the cia recently admitted it had bases in ukraine for 10 years before the conflict began that was carrying out all manner of operations and they admitted to all kinds of things of their own volition. russia is not the aggressor and hasnt been from the beginning.
@@flopoz2575 cold war ended. we won. they changed...we didnt. now we're the ones going around the world trying to force our political ideologies on everyone while really just using it as under the guise of getting what we want dont we?
@@operator9858 No idea what you are referring to. If you are talking about youtube hiding comments, then let me tell you, that most of my pro-Ukrainian and pro-democratic comments are blocked here. So go figure.
@@flopoz2575 i dont think you experience anything like what im talking about but does it really matter in regards to my overall point? if we cant even have a real conversation what are we doing here?
The question for a Europeans is how fast is Putin burning up his runway against which they can sustain to support Ukraine independence with or without the US, considering Russia's most important ally, which is China.
@@user-hf2dr7sh4y Europeans have been declining possible to directly conflict with China,it seems like they just like simulate ostriches.the important question that western whether realized is a new axis autocratic ally have already matured.
Great DW debate round - remark about the video editing : "silly" at 25:02 minutes by interrupting / disturbing Mr. Von Fritsch important speech with loud pouding techno music !! Impolite and unreflected editing here - introducing an imminent "END with music could have been faded in later ! Mrs. Weske & Mr. Von Deyme (editors) please consider not interrupting speeches with music please !
I suddenly realized I could improve my English with this Ukrainian dude At least in case of speech of Western Germany narative, Relax & prepare for the future.
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity. In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas. If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy. Zelensky admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements. Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time Russia's national security was compromised once nato began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining nato was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns. 20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO NATO is not a defensive alliance. Nato illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter). We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster? Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest. Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland. Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”. Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it. Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country. Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list. Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list. There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas. (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence). The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present. Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave. Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) RIP The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims). The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter. I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion. I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written. Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified.
von Fritsch wisely says at 12:44 "In retrospect history always seems to be linear..." And it was also more linear before the rise of, 1st the internet, and then the layer of social media on top of that. The internet is a network with many 'nodes'. So the power of a network increases exponentially as more nodes are added. In any kind of war, hybrid, cold, hot, success depends on the right info, to the right place, at the right time. This is especially true in hybrid warfare, which deals mostly with media/comms/etc., i.e. info, i.e. 'nodes". So things are going to get 'hot' way faster than most can imagine. Exponentially faster. This understanding is crucial.
"Nuclear bluff" - the main Russia's weapon since "gas blackmail" became obsolete. Although very much primitive and always the same, works perfectly so far.
Should never be done over phone anyway i know that can fix secure phonelines and if not u wait for face to face if take a week it do then do what there did just crazy.
First time a video gaming card/ Graphics Process Unit (GPU) was programmed to do something other than push pixels (break code) with its CUDA cores was Nvidia's GTX 760 in 2007, This past year 2024 North American Government told Nvidia that they are not aloud to ship any of their product line over a 4080 to China. so their product line 4080 GPU 10k Cuda cores or just call them Ai programming chips about 1100 bucks US to their new one GH 200 that does not list the cuda core count but has a memory interface of 144 Terabytes per second breaks code in seconds, I bet the code name is ICU ;). Don't forget 15 years ago Russia told the world that they kicked out the Central Banking establishment, Monsanto, and imported Vaccines/ Pharmaceuticals out of their Country and burned all the GMO wheat fields. Pretty funny how the flow of information never changes leading into WAR. Just something that was in the news 15 years ago.
Good and professional production. Very interesting. Russian trolls seem to hit the comments sections a lot to discredit such debates. Take that as a badge of honor.
All that was discussed is possibly supporting an ally. Supporting an ally, Ukraine, should not be embarrassing in any way, shape or form... Germany should feel ZERO shame
Ukraine is not an allie. It was neutral by its constitution. Till, US funded radicals did a cue and took over the country in 2014. German goverment should feel shame for selling out the interests of its own people.
The question for Europeans is how fast is Putin burning up his runway against which they can afford themselves to sustain supporting Ukraine's independence with or without US aid (vis-a-vis Trump's likely victory), and considering Russia's most important ally, which is China.
@williammatthews6273 how many countries has the US invaded this century, how many democratically elected governments have been toppled by them? And how many wars did Russia or China fight in that time period?
Very refreshing to finally see this frank topic. Appearantly, Germany is vulnerable for hybrid warfare. Germany has a population with DDR and BRD legacies of perceptions.
It may be helpful to physically cut all connections to Russia. Yes physically cut them. No connectivity to the western servers, banking everything. Must INSTRUCT all internet providers to disconnect any company dealing with Russia as a start. Must also identify all internet users from Russia and as a minimum restrict connectivity. Identify all paths from Russia to the outside. It takes time, but start now.
They would made out better just using there own cellphones in cases like this i wlways use my trusty ohone line two empty cups regular line string and i can talk from Estonia to Italy 😂
Talk is cheap and invariably COSTS LIVES! During peacetime, there is time to talk, time to debate and time to argue. During wartime, which we are experiencing NOW, there is NO TIME LEFT! SWIFT and DECISIVE ACTION is required, by leaders we trust! Talk, debate and arguments only delay decisions and costs the lives of our military personnel AND the lives of our allies, both military AND CIVILIAN! Germany has yet to learn this! The EU has yet to learn this! ....and so too, to a lesser extent, the UK and US has yet to learn this! We can negotiate with potential enemies BEFORE war, but once that war has started, ONLY ACTIONS COUNT! That is why war is such a horrible situation to be in! Once you have started, there is no going back! ....only forward to a destructive conclusion, or a humiliating submission/surrender! WE ARE LOCKED IN now! Russia must now be subdued, not into a diplomatic "half admission of guilt", but into a humiliating and profound destruction of the ideals that created the IDEA OF WAR! (or subjugation!) Russians were given the opportunity to use democratic pathways to rebuild their nation after it's fragmentation as the USSR dissolved. THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW! Indeed, we in the west just assumed they would find a way to follow us and find peace and prosperity that way! They were, IN FACT, left to the "wolves of the criminal underworld", who abused the power they already had, and recreated the feudal systems that brought the Tsarists to power. Hence, we now have PUTIN! Russians have NEVER KNOWN FREEDOM, and don't know what to look for or how to acquire it! They have been taught to FEAR freedoms! ...even despise them? WHEN Russia fails, and it will, the UN, and ALL those nations that take part in it's dismantling, must have some PLAN to RE-EDUCATE THE RUSSIAN POPULATION, from the Baltic Sea to the Bering Sea! This will be the biggest challenge the UN has EVER undertaken, but is probably the most important! Succeed here, and China, North Korea, Iran, Israel, and ALL those still clinging to contrarian ideologies, will no longer be a threat! The alternatives will probably involve the loss of over ONE BILLION LIVES!
This cliche narrative is falling apart. You can call all dissenting opinions “bot” or “troll” but the truth is people are seeing reality more clearly. This id what this panel is mourning… the failure of their simple narrative.
Ukraine’s top negotiator, Davyd Arakhamia: Russia was “prepared to end the war if we agreed to... neutrality, and committed that we would not join NATO.” But the US and UK stood in the way
there is much more than nuclear weapons and wars . . .why you always resort to the word war??? it has many meanings in many languages . . .and its scary in all the languages
Nord stream??
Yeah we need answers (anwrican) to this
And golden hord ?
Yes, it looks as if America is making a hybrid war against the EU.
Shhhh
Biden explicitly said that if Russian invades "we will put an end to Nord stream"
The US chose to risk the future of German citizens in order to keep the politicians in line. It is truly despicable.
What did the German defense minister say " I don't care what Germans think,".? What does that say about German democracy?
You dont understand democracy. He got there for being smart and capable, not put by a dictator. He has his duties and he doesnt care what some people think.
Neither should you forget that the US wiretapped Angela Merkels phone... lol
The key difference on your point is the US hasn't rolled tanks into Europe, and Russia has.
@@williammatthews6273The US just blowed up our Nord Stream. Real ally.
@@williammatthews6273 US troops and tanks are occupying Germany. They have been there since United States of America defeated Germany in 1945
@@ohlangeni You don't seem to know what occupation means.
@@iAnasazi Occupation means having boots on the ground and weapons and complete obedience to the occupier.
Above all, Germany is also financing its own occupation, just like Japan.
Everyone spies on everyone.
In the 1990's the world wide main stream news did a Broadcast story head lined as China's sleeper chips. The news anchor stated that China has been embedding these sleeper chips into every part of the worlds infrastructure computer boards, from electrical grides to our cars, phones appliance's, etc. He stated in the 90's that these sleeper chips are so small that you can not see them with the naked eye, he even showed the viewers just how large of a hand held magnifying glass it takes just to see them on the integrated circuit boards, and that their best guess is that they have been installed as early as the 60's. The story went on to say that the sleeper chips can do everything from execute code at a particular date to listen to a conversation and transmit/ route that data anywhere it needed to go.
@videocruzer you didn't study computer science or are a engineer I presume, eh? 🤡
Exactly. Why is it news that Russia has spies when the most famous spies in the world are the CIA, who have been immortalized in many Hollywood movies. "I'm Bond, James Bond."
An expert on Russia is always some Ukrainian who has lived in Germany for many years. Already funny :)
That is funny !
Ukrainians know more about Russians than Russians know about Ukrainians
Speaking of unity...who blew up Russian gas pipeline😂?
Puppets don't ask questions against their American master
Cry more ivan😎
They're not allowed by thier Masters
Orcs blew up the pipeline so that you can spread misinformation.
Orcs blew up the pipeline.
lets no forget the wiretapped phonecall from Vicky Nuland😅
Found the RT reader.
@@hb9145 come on, this fxcking call is common knowledge🤣
The US invaded dozens of countries and toppled dozens of democratically elected governments this century but if any other nation dares to gather any intelligence at all its a huge risk and we need to act fast.. 🤡
Yes, everyone should listen to it, to hear for themselves that there is no evidence whatsoever of aby coup there (because the only coups in Ukraine were organised by Russia)
These group of speakers seem to be living in metaverse war games.. dreaming about a group of bad guys somewhere, and we have to fight them so that either they die or we die..😅
How is tapping weapons supply information against you "an act of war"?
Exactly. Its hilarious. If this is the extent of "Russia's aggression against the West" then I say we couldn't ask for nicer enemies.
Because all that concerns Russia starts from "Russia did" without noting what preceded it.
I don't get how it's totally ok and just for the US to spy on literally everyone and all of their enemies but if anyone else dares to gather any intelligence at all its a national security risk for the west and we need to act now to stop it...
REMEMBER VICTORIA NEWLAND LEAKED CONVO PLANING THE COUP😂😂😂😂
Newland?
DW makes the Headlines "NATO's Proxy War"😂
Emagine all these ganging on one country mother Russia 🤣🤣
Ahh but Russia doesnt have to worry about it, unless it attacks a NATO country. Russian officials know this too.
I liked them addressing this cyber warfare that we are encountering. It is becoming a very powerful method of attack more and more.
Thank You,DW.
The English gave the Russians a recording of the conversation between high-ranking German officers, with the knowledge of America. All this is to discipline Germany.
This is a trifle compared to what the Anglo-Saxons did to Germany with the destruction of Nord Stream 2
By anglo-saxon you mean germanic tribes who migrated to British Islandes in 5th century ? How are they related to this debate ? 😂
America and England love to set false flags. Two very dangerous countries.
@@PataTrucks UK and US
@@PataTrucksA more extensive answer did not pass censorship
@@PataTrucksThat is EU where I live . . . :)
Who was wiretapped Angela markel? Did any one of you remember?
If you want to inform, then don't manipulate and lie. Plain and simple.
"... It undermines the trust" How? I would hope our military leaders were thinking about and discussing such things. This is NOT an embarrassment.
Why should not Russia snoop in on German army communications when Germany is aiding war against Russia ?
Russia is an expert in hybrid war and land war and aerial war.
What is the frustration if someone is better at things you also do ?
oh, we're watching a hybrid warfare production right now
North stream pipeline was destroyed by Russia. Where is this info from? LOL.
Wasn't 5 guys with a canoe.😂😂😂
Its was a Russian Pipeline no longer in use . Who cares what happened to it?
Good riddens Nor Stream .
@@Crashed131963 What do you mean who cares? With such approach who cares that there are many more or less similar pipelines from Norway to Europe which also could be targeted by some, let's say, admirers of Russia and that is the whole free world if you don't know it!!! Such secret operation that was planned and organized by the American special forces with the help of some Europeans counterparts is an example of terrorism lifted to a state level and you can't simply do such things with a country like Russia without some severe consequences. You're talking like they just broke some not useful anymore child's toy and simply got away with that.
@@Crashed131963😂😂😂 Cope , Everybody know EU can't say anything against Their masters ,The US
Brave European RACE ❤️🇪🇺
How far away is Germany from Chernobyl?
You can use a ruler on google maps
~1300 km
Nor far enough
How far is Moscow from Chernobyl? 😊
@@5dg380Too far away. Needs to be closer
The real threat is DW, CNN,NBC,BBC etc
Agree these are all muppet channels zero intelligence just parroting the narrative
Berel Lazar loved by zelensky and putin
Thanks, well said
Corect. And orange trumpists.
Correct. The problem is I haven't heard of them reporting about hybrid warfare from russia
Hail Vladimir Putin the Great, we will role the biggest red carpet when he visits Africa
This Putin must be genious, from what I gather from this discussion. Or else these are buffoons.
You "gathered" wrong on both counts.
You "gathered" wrong on both counts.
@@stephenmuir5030 the panel said the West is unprepared for Russian hybrid war, why then continue with ruinous policies if they know the electorate will react?
@@stephenmuir5030yeah?
@@stephenmuir5030yeah?
In these talks on that table is been said a lot about who is the enemy, and people in EU who have on some points a other narrative seems to be a problem/enemy?
Democracy is about people can have diffent narratives. Since when is that not allowed?
I see NATO is beginning to awaken.
In particular, Germany.
No, they're falling into a deeper trap!
*Let's be clear, NATO is a collection of countries that have been the greatest evil this planet has ever seen!*
Yet, they think the countries that don't murder, steal & terrorize are evil and after them!
*All of that, and no foundation of civilization has ever come from a NATO country... Not One!*
to late... if trump gets america out of nato putin will attack the baltics. putin is also already planning to invade moldova after ukraine. and the sad part of all because the west continuesly say they wont send troops and dont involve in the conflict pution knows he can do what he want and get away with it. defence budgets are rising in nato countries but it got only weaker recently
And France.
No DW Germany doesnt want to deliver the Taurus missile to Ukraine. You are the one who wants Taurus missile to be delivered into Ukraine. Do not identify your views to the views of the public.
"When Putin was planning interaction with the NATO bloc, his advisers warned that they were not our friends."
Europe and the West in general will have to come to terms with Russia's interest,they can never be your Africa, and you can only work with them on an equal basis,those who entertain ideas like Russia becoming a back water of Europe are simply dreaming.
True but there is no cure for hubris and arrogance. So the west will double down on stupidity.
We tried to be friends with Russia but they saw it as weakness. Reagan was right. Russia understands and respects strength. Not someone who hides under his bed and begs for mercy whenever Russia issues threats, like Scholtz.
Russia will be the north Korea of Europe for a very long time. It's back behind the iron curtain where they belong.
@kejuu6887 You sort friendship with Russia by on one hand building pipelines,and on the other hand, bringing Nato closer and closer to their borders,eventually engineering a regime change in Ukraine,Georgia,also two failed once in Belarus and Kazakhstan,have you wondered why they're cooperating with the Chinese,well it's because the Chinese unlike you comes with business rather than arms.
@@jamesmiller2735 China and Russia are not real friends. They just have a common enemy. China wants Russian far east for its resources. Russian neighbours seek protection from NATO and are right to do so because Russia keeps invading them. We need to break Putin's Russia and make west Russia democratic nation, there is no other way.
“arms, fossil fuels, and fear” thats a powerful quote. prob got the order wrong
Sounds like a movie title.
Tackle the real issue which is fear, stand up for yourselves and never give in to fear.
I don't think you grasp what declaration of war is in international law
Well said, my friend.
Thank you dear 🕊 @@vectorfox4782
What do you suggest then? Being afraid and showing our mortal enemies that we are not going to fight back???
Fair dinkum . . the leak didn't "undermine trust", it exposed the duplicity.
🤡
I've known for years, but really begun to internalize recently that when it comes to doing our part, other than voting the most important thing we can do as citizens of the west is to not spread hatred against one another in person AND online. I struggle with this, not so much hatred in terms of name calling, but it can get heated when you argue with someone about a topic you care deeply about. The most important thing we can do is still engage in this debate but in a more compassionate and less sarcastic and aggressive way. Realizing that we have our issues in our countries, big ones at that, but that the threat from outside (Russia) is real and that we need to recognize our similarities and treat each other as humans.
The former president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, publicly stated that when it becomes difficult you have to lie . . . :)
Russia is not your enemy. Your government who wants to create a war is the enemy
They know since west is already doing it for so long. Thank You. 🙏🇮🇳
The US and NATO uses hybrid warfare on every country it does not control. The 2014 Ukraine CIA/State dept organized coup is just an example among many.
"They know since west is already doing it for so long."
If they already knew this, what was the purpose of threatening that *if* the west does this, we will use nuclear weapons?
According to you, they already knew the west had done this, yet, clearly, have not responded by using nuclear weapons. So, threatening the use of nuclear weapons is just an empty gesture?
- Russia: "Here you go german public, hear your military leaders discussing an attack on a nuclear power without consulting your representatives."
- Pro ukrainian armchair hwaks: "hybrid war reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
Fed up with this insane wars,absolutey meaningless
Tell that to the Russians... They want war...
Yes, putin should pull out
@@SL-sd3sg We know perfectly that not gonna happened, because that is against their rules.
Not meaningless, but definitely avoidable.
Just wait till the Russians are fed up with Putin, patience is a valuable friend.
Krauts got it easy in WW2. This time around it shall be barren moon affair.
Yeah us Germans need to understand our place rn and work from their
No, it's not. Cyber war is like artillery - it is used to soften things up. It is PART of a hybrid war. The rest, short of actual battle, is also intended to soften things up.
Wasint the real story that the german leaks implied that the UK had troops on the ground in ukraine? The Reason it was being discussed is that the germans believe that the only way they can send the Taurus missiles, is if they also send German soldiers to operate the targeting systems.
this is rich. the cia recently admitted it had bases in ukraine for 10 years before the conflict began that was carrying out all manner of operations and they admitted to all kinds of things of their own volition. russia is not the aggressor and hasnt been from the beginning.
Russia has been the aggressor at least since 2004, but in reality since 17th century.
@@flopoz2575 cold war ended. we won. they changed...we didnt. now we're the ones going around the world trying to force our political ideologies on everyone while really just using it as under the guise of getting what we want dont we?
@@flopoz2575 they censored me for no reason again other then the politics. is that something that good guys have to do in your experience?
@@operator9858 No idea what you are referring to. If you are talking about youtube hiding comments, then let me tell you, that most of my pro-Ukrainian and pro-democratic comments are blocked here. So go figure.
@@flopoz2575 i dont think you experience anything like what im talking about but does it really matter in regards to my overall point? if we cant even have a real conversation what are we doing here?
Excellent article today in Foreign Policy magazine on this topic: "The West is Still Oblivious to Russia's Hybrid Warfare."
This chapter has immaculately explained that what is overall war
The question for a Europeans is how fast is Putin burning up his runway against which they can sustain to support Ukraine independence with or without the US, considering Russia's most important ally, which is China.
@@user-hf2dr7sh4y Europeans have been declining possible to directly conflict with China,it seems like they just like simulate ostriches.the important question that western whether realized is a new axis autocratic ally have already matured.
Great DW debate round - remark about the video editing : "silly" at 25:02 minutes by interrupting / disturbing Mr. Von Fritsch important speech with loud pouding techno music !! Impolite and unreflected editing here - introducing an imminent "END with music could have been faded in later ! Mrs. Weske & Mr. Von Deyme (editors) please consider not interrupting speeches with music please !
I suddenly realized I could improve my English with this Ukrainian dude At least in case of speech of Western Germany narative, Relax & prepare for the future.
Zelensky didn't try to prevent the conflict through diplomacy because he lacks honor and integrity.
In 2014 there was a coup. Soon after, there was a massacre in Odessa (dozens of people were burned alive). Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed. A civil war broke out due to the rise in ethnic tensions. For 8 years the Ukrainian military was indiscriminately shelling civilians living in Donbas.
If Zelensky honored the Minsk agreement and pledged neutrality, none of this would have happened. The 8 year civil war would have ended and Donbas would have remained part of Ukraine. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.
Zelensky admitted that Ukraine had no intention to honor the Minsk agreements.
Who didn't want peace? Who advised against the 2022 peace talks in April? Hint: someone visited Zelensky in Kiev at that time
Russia's national security was compromised once nato began to expand eastwards. Russia clearly stated that Ukraine joining nato was a red line (November 2021) and unfortunately this concern was never taken seriously. The Russians openly stated: if nothing changes, we will be forced to act in order to defend our national security. Enhancing the national security of one country at the expense of another is unacceptable. The Russians have legitimate security concerns.
20th September, 2021. Ukraine launched military drills with US and NATO
NATO is not a defensive alliance. Nato illegally bombed Yugoslavia (a direct violation of the U.N. Charter).
We should never forget what they did to Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Who blew up the pipeline causing an environmental disaster?
Zelensky banned all opposition and arrested a leading priest.
Zelensky tried to invoke article 5 under false pretenses. Remember the incident in Poland.
Ethnic Russians living in Ukraine were treated as subhuman. Their language and culture was being oppressed.
Poroshenko said, “Our children will go to schools and kindergartens-theirs will hide in the basements”.
Russians will never forget the 2014 Odessa massacre. The whole world needs to know about it.
Why was Denis Kireev eliminated? He was a member of Ukraine's negotiating team during the peace negotiations. He wanted to help his country.
Ukraine has a hit list. They target artists, journalists and ordinary citizens. Hundreds of children are on this list. 13 year old Faina Savenkova was placed on this list.
Pink Floyd's Roger Waters is on this list. Jimmy Dore (American stand-up comedian, podcaster) and Aaron Maté (Canadian writer and journalist) are on this list.
There is evidence that Ukrainian troops have been indiscriminately shelling civilians in Donbas. (they used petal mines and targeted areas where there was no military presence).
The azov troops trapped in the azovstal steelworks in Mariupol used human shields. They refused to allow civilians to leave despite of humanitarian corridors being present.
Russia held a proposed cease fire in order for the civilians to leave, but azov would not allow the civilians to leave.
Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) RIP
The first terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed the truck driver and the individuals in the adjacent car (innocent civilian victims).
The second terrorist attack on the Kerch bridge killed two parents and severely injured their young daughter.
I have done a lot of research and it took me a long time to write this comment. I have stated a lot of facts and I have given my honest opinion.
I have provided a brief summary of events that took place. In order to explain this whole situation in great detail, a book would need to be written.
Hopefully someone will write an UNBIASED book, stating facts and allowing the readers to form their own judgments. Everything I said can be fact checked and verified.
von Fritsch wisely says at 12:44 "In retrospect history always seems to be linear..." And it was also more linear before the rise of, 1st the internet, and then the layer of social media on top of that. The internet is a network with many 'nodes'. So the power of a network increases exponentially as more nodes are added.
In any kind of war, hybrid, cold, hot, success depends on the right info, to the right place, at the right time. This is especially true in hybrid warfare, which deals mostly with media/comms/etc., i.e. info, i.e. 'nodes".
So things are going to get 'hot' way faster than most can imagine. Exponentially faster. This understanding is crucial.
"Nuclear bluff" - the main Russia's weapon since "gas blackmail" became obsolete.
Although very much primitive and always the same, works perfectly so far.
The ‘gas bluff’ has put Western Europe into recession. Germany especially has been severely damaged.
You are clueless.
Stop trolling bot lol
Why not also invite a member from the Russian side so that we can hear the other side of the story
If they invite someone, then only someone who will tell a story that is convenient for them.
Should never be done over phone anyway i know that can fix secure phonelines and if not u wait for face to face if take a week it do then do what there did just crazy.
DW loves to have every ethnicity on earth as show hosts except Germans.
But it's DW for those of us who speak English, so, essentially, an audience outside of Germany.
@@stephenmuir5030 That doesn't change the ethnicity dilemma, they're speaking in English either way on the show.
If the secret servers are that good in Europe than The MH17 accident could be prevented. Because a good secret service would know this could happen.
Educate your people on the facts of the situation, and have more confidence this is why Denmark issues conscription to both men and women.
All three are talking non-sense...Rusia rules...
First time a video gaming card/ Graphics Process Unit (GPU) was programmed to do something other than push pixels (break code) with its CUDA cores was Nvidia's GTX 760 in 2007, This past year 2024 North American Government told Nvidia that they are not aloud to ship any of their product line over a 4080 to China. so their product line 4080 GPU 10k Cuda cores or just call them Ai programming chips about 1100 bucks US to their new one GH 200 that does not list the cuda core count but has a memory interface of 144 Terabytes per second breaks code in seconds, I bet the code name is ICU ;). Don't forget 15 years ago Russia told the world that they kicked out the Central Banking establishment, Monsanto, and imported Vaccines/ Pharmaceuticals out of their Country and burned all the GMO wheat fields. Pretty funny how the flow of information never changes leading into WAR. Just something that was in the news 15 years ago.
Good and professional production. Very interesting. Russian trolls seem to hit the comments sections a lot to discredit such debates. Take that as a badge of honor.
I think that's everyone with common sense
All that was discussed is possibly supporting an ally. Supporting an ally, Ukraine, should not be embarrassing in any way, shape or form... Germany should feel ZERO shame
Ukraine is not an ally.
Уверен, что скоро патриоты Германии освободят Берлин от оккупации США. Вместе с союзниками.
Ukraine is not an allie.
It was neutral by its constitution.
Till, US funded radicals did a cue and took over the country in 2014.
German goverment should feel shame for selling out the interests of its own people.
Unity is the biggest value of the Western Countries, thanks for this conversation, include Mexico into the Western Maps! We are Cowboys!
The question for Europeans is how fast is Putin burning up his runway against which they can afford themselves to sustain supporting Ukraine's independence with or without US aid (vis-a-vis Trump's likely victory), and considering Russia's most important ally, which is China.
remember that only when china started investing in mexico, usa got inline with you. Else all the coups, cartels are C I A projects
@@user-hf2dr7sh4y I thought Putin said he preferred Biden? You're not suggesting he was lying (yet again)?
Better discuss peace and love, live hatred alone.
Excellent discussion, as always.
Russia: "help they wanna shoot Taurus at us!" The West: "publishing that is an act of war!"
Russia: "We've leveled towns and cities in our neighbours country, why do they not like us?"
Actually, they were talking about how it might be used to take down the Kerch Bridge, so not "Russia" at all.
What about Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya and more? Why can USA have their wars and Russia cannot have their own? ;-) @@williammatthews6273
@@stephenmuir5030 so why are they worried ? Kerch bridge is in Ukraine, not in ruzzia.
@williammatthews6273 how many countries has the US invaded this century, how many democratically elected governments have been toppled by them? And how many wars did Russia or China fight in that time period?
I am in complete agreement with the Ambassador about the Russian thinking and how we must react.
2:09 is she talking about USA?
CIA sure has control over these analysts. CIA/Mi6 propoganda
We can’t really on with our natural dominance USA
Mmm, a nuclear threat is the only threat I would take seriously 😶
If you don't face it down, it gets used more and more frequently, until...
@@stephenmuir5030 face it down?
I would ask you to elaborate but I’m sure your reply would be anticlimactic
You will not have the time for that…
Sure, that is the reason Russia is using it so often, troll.
NATO and Russia officially are enemies, unofficially, in secret are friends... 😂
how come you do not explore clearly why Ukraine politics is Western politics
The video has only been up for 15 minutes, and the russian trolls are already commenting like crazy 😅
А ты кто такой осознанный?
As per usual. Can't win on the battlefield, so they use comment bots.
Ivan has to make money for a toilet
is the freedom of expression a troll? or you are entitled to express only one opinion?
Unsurprising
We defeated him "strategically" in december... "lost 90%" of its heavy equipment.. we just need to go there and drill all oil.. did I miss something?
where would you go?
watch out not to slip on your front yard
😂very funny you think its a walk in the park.
@@mayaya890 with all our wunderwaffen it is...
Нананана😂
Remember folks: If the username ends in four numbers, it's a Russian bot!
like computer bots or like troll?
Nope🤡Came automaticly
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I always assumed the opposite as almost 99.9% of commenters have numbers.
Guess I'm a Russian bot then. Thanks for informing me, I'd have never guessed.
WD is a best place to have a góod smile
Great, important discussion. Thank you
A country's security is paramount. I have always maintained that the only leaks you should be making are behind the bushes or in the long grass
As if Germany wasn’t plotting and fighting against Russia in Ukraine. We have heard the leak.
Palantir
Good Stock. I see them at $100 end of the year.
Very refreshing to finally see this frank topic. Appearantly, Germany is vulnerable for hybrid warfare. Germany has a population with DDR and BRD legacies of perceptions.
only the ill minded will be affected. Lets see how many there are
Putin is giving the west chest pains😂
There is one interesting part of this vid, the comment section!
It may be helpful to physically cut all connections to Russia. Yes physically cut them. No connectivity to the western servers, banking everything.
Must INSTRUCT all internet providers to disconnect any company dealing with Russia as a start.
Must also identify all internet users from Russia and as a minimum restrict connectivity.
Identify all paths from Russia to the outside. It takes time, but start now.
And NATO's Proxy war
Russia is attacking everyone 😂😂😂🤣
Russians and Ukranians must sit together to discuss. The West can't win against Russia. Due to high oil and gas price, western economies are crashing
Very intelligent discussion. Much appreciated!
Btw wasn’t Putin living in Germany? Wtf
Something to do with the Berlin wall.
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In Dresden working for the KGB before the fall of the Berlin wall
Yes, for many years. His German is excellent
😁😂😂🤣
You wouĺd good in uniform Go homeand fight
They would made out better just using there own cellphones in cases like this i wlways use my trusty ohone line two empty cups regular line string and i can talk from Estonia to Italy 😂
Does the media warfare include the UA-cam comments section, bots and misinformation😅
Talk is cheap and invariably COSTS LIVES! During peacetime, there is time to talk, time to debate and time to argue. During wartime, which we are experiencing NOW, there is NO TIME LEFT! SWIFT and DECISIVE ACTION is required, by leaders we trust! Talk, debate and arguments only delay decisions and costs the lives of our military personnel AND the lives of our allies, both military AND CIVILIAN!
Germany has yet to learn this! The EU has yet to learn this! ....and so too, to a lesser extent, the UK and US has yet to learn this! We can negotiate with potential enemies BEFORE war, but once that war has started, ONLY ACTIONS COUNT! That is why war is such a horrible situation to be in! Once you have started, there is no going back! ....only forward to a destructive conclusion, or a humiliating submission/surrender! WE ARE LOCKED IN now!
Russia must now be subdued, not into a diplomatic "half admission of guilt", but into a humiliating and profound destruction of the ideals that created the IDEA OF WAR! (or subjugation!)
Russians were given the opportunity to use democratic pathways to rebuild their nation after it's fragmentation as the USSR dissolved. THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW! Indeed, we in the west just assumed they would find a way to follow us and find peace and prosperity that way! They were, IN FACT, left to the "wolves of the criminal underworld", who abused the power they already had, and recreated the feudal systems that brought the Tsarists to power. Hence, we now have PUTIN! Russians have NEVER KNOWN FREEDOM, and don't know what to look for or how to acquire it! They have been taught to FEAR freedoms! ...even despise them? WHEN Russia fails, and it will, the UN, and ALL those nations that take part in it's dismantling, must have some PLAN to RE-EDUCATE THE RUSSIAN POPULATION, from the Baltic Sea to the Bering Sea! This will be the biggest challenge the UN has EVER undertaken, but is probably the most important! Succeed here, and China, North Korea, Iran, Israel, and ALL those still clinging to contrarian ideologies, will no longer be a threat! The alternatives will probably involve the loss of over ONE BILLION LIVES!
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@@jujuleto Entertained? ...over the loss of human lives?
"Experts."🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣
This cliche narrative is falling apart. You can call all dissenting opinions “bot” or “troll” but the truth is people are seeing reality more clearly. This id what this panel is mourning… the failure of their simple narrative.
Ukraine’s top negotiator, Davyd Arakhamia: Russia was “prepared to end the war if we agreed to... neutrality, and committed that we would not join NATO.”
But the US and UK stood in the way
how expert are these so called experts, folks 😂
they are a bunch of clowns😂
Hand rubbing intensifies
there is much more than nuclear weapons and wars . . .why you always resort to the word war??? it has many meanings in many languages . . .and its scary in all the languages
German afraid of Russian atom bomb, wich german don’t have
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