RX 7700 XT and RX 7800 XT - Will it Dominate 1440p?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- AMD announced its last GPUs for this generation in the RX 7700 XT and RX 7800 XT. What performance can you expect and will they dominate the 1440p GPU segment? Should you buy?
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The 7800 XT looks like a solid upgrade from my 5700 XT. The 4070 is just too expensive for what it is IMO even if its efficiency is impressive.
Even the 7700XT would be a nice upgrade to the 5700XT...but yes, skip the 7700XT and go straight for the 7800XT.
Red and green locked in a steady competition to out-disgrace each other
It's a good deal If you want 16 GB and premium edition of Starfield which is $99. So that's 400
Except you cant sell starfield for $99 can you?
If you can then pls show me how
That's a lot to pay for a game, and I guaruntee you that AMD paid a very small fraction of that for the game to be bundled.
However, if we adjust for inflation, the 7800 XT's value per dollar is a huge improvement over the launch pricing of the 6000 series. Even if there had been no GPU shortage last gen, and we assume that the 6700 XT would have launched at around 400-430 two years ago, the 7800 XT looks to be at least a 33% improvement in performance vs. cost after you properly account for inflation, and the 6700 XT would have been considered a very good value at 400 USD two years ago (and would have been a significant improvement over the value of the 5700 XT when it launched).
Inflation has been a lot higher than normal over the past three years, and it really seems to be breaking people's brains.
@@syncmonism sure inflation is insane, but prices wernt this silly in 2008/2009, or was inflation less back then (I genuinely don't know)
Still think inflation or not the gpus are overpriced, more performance shouldn't cost more. Like I said r9 290 vs Fury, insane price increase due to HBM.
Also even of inflation is high, that shouldn't effect amd that much, let's be real AMD doesn't care anymore for gpu marketshare (this and next gen atleadt) they want that sweet ai money
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v Inflation has been a lot higher than normal over the past three years. AMD's pricing has shifted up higher because they are trying to get higher margins now, but there are other factors as well. Do you remember the R9 290? The cooler was NOT particularly good, but that was also being sold at pretty low margins too, especially for such a high-end card at the time. Graphics cards have been getting larger and more complicated, because of increasing competition between AMD and Nvidia to make more powerful products, as well as consistent demand for ever more powerful graphics cards coming from a lot of consumers, and they're also coming with better quality coolers on average over the years. Furthermore, the costs of the GPUs themselves have been going up. The manufacturing costs for each new process node have been going up. Both AMD and Nvidia are also realizing that they can push people to buy further up their product stacks by offering better performance per dollar on upper-mid-range or lower-high-end graphics cards than on lower-mid-range graphics cards, like they used to.
That's basically four or five different factors all contributing to rising prices, and only one of those factors is that AMD is choosing to raise its margins. Their margins still aren't unusually high compared to many, many other consumer products out there. For example, the margins on a lot of clothing products, cell phones, macbooks, etc.. are often much higher.
A lot of what we buy is being sold in huge volumes for very low mark-ups, and a lot of what we buy is being sold at very high-mark-ups. What AMD sells us is somewhere between those two extremes. Even what Nvidia charges for their lower and more mid-ranged products isn't even that crazy compared to a lot of the other stuff that's out there. Even Nvidia's RTX 4090 isn't that bad of a deal compared to the crazy markups you get with a lot of other luxury products out there.
@@user-lp5wb2rb3vwhat
If you had a 6800 or 6800XT the move is to a 7900XT. When it is around $750, it is the spiritual successor to the 6800XT. 35% - 45% faster depending on if you have RT enabled and pretty much the inflation adjusted MSRP of the 6800XT. Plus you get AI accelorators, another 4GB VRAM, AV1 encoding and better Raytracing. I agree they have to stop tripping at the start all the time. First impressions are important. Can you imagine if it started at $750 from launch and was called the 7800XT? The reviews would have been awesome.
I am trying to make that decision right now. I am considering 7900 XT but it's $250 more than the 7800 XT. I want maxed out settings with 1440p in Starfield and also maxed settings for PVP with high frames. Some are telling me it's overkill to get 7900 XT at 1440p? Tell me why $250 more is the way to go, I want this card to last me for the next 3-5 years and then I will be looking at a new pc build at that time
@@phillipvorndran6531 tbh a 6800xt is pretty good you should wait for next gen
@@phillipvorndran6531 An RX 7900 XT is not overkill for Starfield or future games at high refresh 1440p. Hopefully, Bethesda has good optimization of their Creation Engine II for Starfield, or it's going to be a slog for most super high-end systems.
Everything depends on perspective and what future games will be thrown at the 7900 XT. Looking at current Unreal Engine V games like Remnant II and Immortals of Aveum at max settings, the RTX 4090 is brought to its knees at 1440p. Probably caused by poor optimization. Most cards today will not survive the future onslaught UE V games especially at 1440p. At 1080p, the RTX 4090/RX 7900 XTX should last several years, but future demanding games will push our current cards like nothing before. If you don't have plans to play future titles, then most high-end cards will last for several years at 1440p. Find a great CPU, tune your DRAM, and a graphics card with a big memory bus for maximum memory bandwidth. Buy what you need, and/or buy extra performance to buy some time. Plan accordingly.
imho 40% increase in perf for 45-75% more money is not worth it, thats like trying to convince yourself that its worth going from an r9 290 (rdna2) to a fury (rdna3) when the promised vega (rdna4/5) is around the corner
How about going med/ high rather than maxed, and then wait till 2025/2026 for rdna5 which will let you play at 4k max?@@phillipvorndran6531 just food for thought
Exactly what I was looking for - and cogently presented.
Building 1st pc in 20 years and I think 6800xt will keep me relevant at 1440 for a hot minute.
Thanks for the material
Glad I could help. Best of luck on your build!
Didn't amd learn their lesson with the 7900 cards? Oh, they learned. 7900 xtx sold like candy. Same strategy, they want you to buy the 7800 xt first, then the 7700 xt.
7600x was $299 at launch, now the 7700x is $299.
lol the FOMO consoomers will lose out, meanwhile rdna1/rdna2 in the used market is a bargain
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v honestly, this post pandemic market is garbage to begin with. What really pushes my buttons is the lack of optimalization for new games. Upscaling was meant to be a tool to introduce new AAA games for a wider audience, yet they use it to cut corners during development. Now we're at the point, where even 900+ USD gpu-s can't run games at 4k max properly... I think that's the core issue.
@@gergoturi7559 then don't buy the latest games nor latest gpus, also med settings is a thing
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v an obvious solution, but at that point, why play games at all? Personally, I'm lucky to be in the minority, who could spare money for the latest hardware, but most people aren't, including some of my friends, who still game. The outrage is mostly for them.
@@gergoturi7559 I think for most people 1080-3070 perf is more than enough, sure its last gen hardware but that's where the best value is, and its $200-300 which is the usual price for a $1k pc
found a pre-build 7600x + 7700xt + Asus Prime B650-PLUS Gaming + DDR5 16 gb ram 5600MHZ 750 wat psu for 1489 euro but is it worth to give 170 euro more for 7800Xt same specs
Why did you suggest the 4070 at the end when it should be around 10% slower than the 7800 XT?
He is not believing amd slideshow so
Just cancelled a Merc 6800 xt and waiting for the 7800 xt. At $750-$800 the 7900 XT just does not offer a good value proposition compared to a $500 6800xt or 7800xt. If the 7900xt was under $700 I would get it just for giggles and an extra 4GB or Vram. I am also hopeful for FSR 3.0
I'm gonna buy, I'm going g from a MSI Radeon 580. It's well past time to upgrade.
Those are good cards. Amd getting in the mix.
Funny thing about this is product anoiuncment is there is still room in amds line up for that 600-700$ gpu but they funked on the naming. Maybe a 7900 or a 7850 xtx that’s Navi 21 70-80 cu with 16gb vram.
I recently bought a RX 6800XT as I needed to get a GPU. My budget was $500 and I wanted 16Gb VRAM. Used prices are a joke, as everyone selling is trying to recoup the extortionate price they paid during the crypto mining fiasco. That broke the market and it will take a while to rebalance. Add the greed game that nVidia are playing and AMD are happy to follow and you can see that the discreet GPU market has been milked dry. No wonder there are so many last gen cards in storage. This is the consequence of listening to short gain money-men. Too much concentration on how to manipulate the market now at the expense of the future. nVidia are damn lucky this time that AI boomed, if it had happened a year from now they'd be fighting for a profit.
ive been seeing good used prices in the uk, found a 6800xt for £330 lol
There are lots of terrible used prices, but those listings are over-represented because they last a very long time. The good deals don't last as long, so you don't see as many of them, but they are out there (it depends on what region you're in).
I used ebay with a watch list and checked on the actual final prices of GPUs sold over a 3 month period. The difference between new and used was less than £100 for the RX 6750XT and RX 6800XT up till July this year when I stopped. Those of you that have found one cheaper, good for you, but you're a statistical out-layer. Crow about it if you want, but don't assume that prices are as low as you think just because you were lucky. And remember there are no warranties from the manufacturer on used GPUs.
Ive seen 6700xt, 6800 and 6800xt for £260, £380 and £460 respectively. But the best value is a pc build, usually sub £1k with either zen2/3 and 16gb+1tb@@igavinwood
imma just wait for intel battle mage to build myself a pc
If the RX 7800 XT is faster than the RTX 4070 then why buying a used 4070 for 4070 ?
I am confused to choose between the two and need an advice
Faster in amd cherry picked gamer, slower in rt, higher power draw, dlss is way better than fsr and dlss 3.5 on the way. Nvidia better features are what separate GeForce from radeon.
@abdalrahmanaiham1434 I could not say it any better than @Vextime77. Thanks!
@@ImaMac-PC Thank you
@@Vextime77 Thank you
They should have called these GPUs the 7700XT and 7700 or 7700XTX and 7700XT. If they did that and kept everything the same other than the lower SKU pricing down to 429 or so, these would have been a really good launch
Imo they should have called them 7700 XT and 7800. The 7700 XT is a pretty huge jump in compute units.
I actually just bought a 6800xt for 539 new at Best buy with starfield included.. first time with team red. Was thinking about returning it for a 7800xt. But why i think the 6800xt is more powerful to be honest. Im keeping it ...
Just cancelled a Merc 6800 xt and waiting for the 7800 xt - lol
Starfield also included with 7800 xt
So no AIB 7800 XT?, or im just confused? 😅
Fortunately that's not the case. It just means AMD will provide reference 7800 XT cards, but not 7700 XT cards. AIBs will be able to make both.
Good job. I like your analysis.I believe AMD is giving up on the discrete GPU market. Soon intel will catch up.They are focusing on APUs like Xbox and PS5. They are optimizing their architecture for low power. IMO, 780M performance is very good
It isn't significantly better than 680m, also notice ddr5 ram speeds are much bettet
@user-lp5wb2rb3v I agree. It less than Vega to RDNA2. Following ETA prime videos, 780M is at least 10% better than 680M. With 7500 lpddr5 goes up 20%. It is better than 6600xt vs 7600 5%-10% improvements.
The naming is stupid, on that we can agree.
The 6800 XT's current pricing of around 500-520 USD in 2023 is equivalent to around 425-440 USD in 2020. So, its inflation adjusted cost is down by about 30-33% since 2020, making its performance per dollar around 45-50% better than when it launched at 650 in 2020.
It's true that incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, on average, but you can't really blame AMD for that.
It simply doesn't make sense to criticize a new generation card because it isn't a significant improvement in performance per dollar over the CURRENT pricing of last-gen cards, when those last gen cards are themselves already offering around a 45% improvement in performance vs. cost compared to when they were first launched. We should be grateful that last gen cards dropped so much in price before the next gen cards even released (similar prices have been available off and on starting around 9-10 months ago).
This has happened over and over again in the past, (but not every generation) where the previous gen cards have very often dropped a LOT in price before the next gen cards even released, such that they have often given equal or better value to the next gen cards before the next gen cards actually released.
So true! While AMD drops their msrp relative to last generation Nvidia raises their msrp on their 70 and 80 class, thankfully they didn't raise msrp on the 60 class but they really didn't improve those either!
@@davidg2731 Well, my argument about inflation does also partially justify Nvidia's pricing as well, but AMD's products from both last gen and the current gen have (on average) given significantly better improvements in value per dollar, with the notable exception of the 7600, which is kinda bad at 270, imo (though some people have been able to find them for closer to 240 already, apparently). The launch price of the 7900 XT was also quite poor, and the launch price for the 7700 XT definitely also seems too high compared to the 7800 XT, 6800 XT, 6800, etc..
@syncmonism I'm curious...does the inflation adjustment of pricing you apply to GPUs also explain the price of CPUs? SSDs? RAM? If not, why not?
Problem is these cards never got to within MSrp until late 2021 6700xt were still senlling for 650$ and 6800xt were still around 800$ for most of 2021
Some benchmarks are starting to leak. The 7800 XT is a monster!!!
Link to said leaks or it didn't happen.
I am a BIG M'EH on the 7800xt & 7700xt. The 7800xt will probably be slower than the 6800xt and the 7700xt is WAY to close in price to the 7800xt and costs a LOT more than a 6700xt. Are we REALLY going to normalize new cards being slower than previous gen cards?
Sure nvidia
You are stupid to believe the next gen card will be slower than previous gen 😂
Previous gen cards (from AMD) have already come down a LOT in price, especially if you actually properly account for inflation, which has been a lot higher than normal over the past three years.
Even if the 6700 XT had launched at 400 instead of 480 (which was probably about what it was originally planned to be priced at), the 7800 XT would still be offering roughly a 33% improvement in performance vs. cost, if you properly account for inflation.
You can't expect the new generation cards to offer any significant improvement over the CURRENT pricing of last gen cards, when the current pricing of those last gen cards already represents a significant improvement in performance vs. cost.
The 7800 XT looks to offer about a 45-50% improvement in performance vs. cost over the launch MSRP of the 6800 XT, which was 650 in 2020 dollars. 500 USD today (in 2023) is equivalent to 425 USD in 2020. The 7800 XT also comes with some feature advantages over the previous generation.
This is actually very normal for previous gen cards to get discounted in price to around the same level of performance per dollar, if not better, than the newer generation, before the newer generation is even released.
@@miyagiryota9238 Send me a new 7900xtx and I will gladly swap out my 3090 for it. That is how much of a shill I am.
No one is buying those "stupidly expensive" GPUs but they still don't lower the prices...
- Let's see who'll win in the end ? 🤔
just imagine have booked TSMC factories and having to throw them to the market (Afeter months) just because it may be more expensive to cancel them... let's hope they don't have milions to break even or cut loses... do you want any 3060 or 6600 gpu of the milions left in warehouses?
I will buy. I have 1060 6GB. Im also in Philippines so GPU prices are insane here. And for the money, this is the best i can buy new.
Be patient, get the 7800 XT. It's a much better value than the 7700 XT at only 50 USD more (around 12% more, for about 20% more GPU compute performance, and 33% more Vram than the 7700 XT).
If you consider that 500 USD is actually a lot cheaper than the launch price of the 6800 XT, and if you also factor in inflation, the 7800 XT's price in USD today is equivalent to about 425 USD in 2020. I don't know what pricing will be like in the Philippines, but, at least in US pricing, if you properly account for inflation, the cost of the 7800 XT is about 33% lower than the original cost of the 6800 XT when it launched in 2020. A 33% lower cost, for the same level of performance, is equal to about a 50% improvement in performance vs. cost.
If inflation has been a lot worse in the Philippines, and if your income has not kept pace with inflation, then that could mean that the 7800 XT is still very expensive for you, but you should at least realize that the 7800 XT is definitely not a rip-off, as long as the price you can find for it is (before taxes) close to the USD equivalent in your local currency (after calculating the current exchange rate).
@@syncmonism expensive yes but praise God I can afford it. thanks for the tip!
7900xtx = 7900xt $800
7900xt = 7800xt $600
7800xt = 7700xt $400
7700xt = 7600xt $300
7600 = 7500xt $200
That would be a solid lineup.
And from NV?
@@krzysztofjabonski5404
4090 = 4080ti
[unreleased] = 4080
4080 = 4070ti
[unreleased] = 4070
4070ti = 4060ti
4070 = 4060
4060ti = 4050ti
4060 = 4050
Essentially, AMD's best competing only an xx70ti class , 500-600 USD usual card.
@@krzysztofjabonski5404 half tier wrong naming from 6000 series converterd to one tier, doesn't help much to the real difference in perf/power or even perf/money or perf/(total cost of ownership) with Ada Lovelace series of cards RTX 2070 Super is more or less a RDNA1 5700XT or a 4060 if no RT/Super Resolution or AI...which we noe should be a 4050 or 4050ti, 7700xt vs 4060 Ti (is a joke also), 7800XT not being always faster than a 4070 (that can be bough under msrp and under founders edition prices...) while consuming almost double the power...but your prices seem more realistic...
@@InternetListener the 7600 should have been 7500xt and 75w card
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v its optimimal perfromance/watt comes near 95W
I have 1060 6gb and 4070 costs 780€ here in croatia,i have to buy something hahsh😭😭😭
7900 GRE is on average only 7% faster than 6800xt. Some titles it is way slower. Where does that leave 7800xt? Time will tell.
Im jus hoping these new amd cards will force Nvidia to discount their cards. So i can get my hands on a rtx 4070 for 480-500$.but I don't think that will happen.
I still dont understand. IF the 7700XT equals 6800 in performance, how the hell it is having higher tdp??? Where is the 54% perf/watt rnda3 upgrade???????
Technically is it lower (5W), the 7700 XT has TDP of 245W and 6800 non-XT is 250W. I did a video last month on unveiling the mystery of 54% performance / watt.
@@ImaMac-PC I will check it out , thx a lot!
Av1 for €560 ?? Skip it
6800 to 6800 XT is 12%. 6800 XT to 6900 XT is another 8%. That would give me a 20% uplift in performance. I'm pretty sure I can sell the 6800 for $350. $500+ Starfield premium - $350. Not bad....At least that is how I'm trying to justify it lol.
You can't justify it, it should have been $399 for +20%, notice +15% price and +20% perf
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v What are you talking about? It's totally unclear what you're trying to say, because you don't specify what cards you're referring to.
If you properly account for inflation, the 7800 XT is actually a bit less expensive than the launch MSRP of the 6700 XT, and it looks to be about 40-45% more performant in standard raster, with 33% more Vram, significantly more memory bandwidth, and some additional features and advantages with the newer architecture. The launch price of the 6700 Xt was bloated because of the GPU shortage, but even without a GPU shortage, the 6700 XT was never going to launch for less than 400 USD in early 2021, which is equivalent to about 450 USD in 2023. With about 40-45% more performance, and 33% more Vram, the 7800 XT offers a significant improvement in value over what the 6700 XT was probably originally planned to be priced at.
If you compare the 7800 XT to the original launch price of the 6800 XT, it's about 33% cheaper if you account for inflation, so it's offering about 45-50% better performance per dollar, assuming that the 7800 XT is about the same as a 6800 XT in performance, but the 7800 XT also has some new features coming with the new architecture as well.
Without watching the video yet, I can't imagine the 7700xt doing well at all for that price. Amd make stupid choices lol. Maybe if it was $420 at the most. Make more sense if it was under $400 and the 7800xt was $480. Prices aren't great and the performance won't be great either. Amd is the worse of the two this gen for naming their cards and pricing imo😊
The 7700 XT does compete alright with nearest Nvidia equivalents, but that's not saying much. The 7800 XT looks to be about 20% faster, with 33% more Vram (and better memory bandwidth), for about 12% more money?!! Very odd indeed.
As for the 7800 XT, 500 USD today in 2023 is equivalent to about 425 USD in 2020, when the 6800 XT first launched at 650 USD. So, if you properly adjust for inflation, the cost is about 33% less, with approximately the same performance, on a newer architecture with better ray tracing performance and various other features. That's about a 50% improvement in performance vs. cost over the 6800 XT's launch price.
It doesn't make sense to expect the 7800 XT to offer a significant improvement in performance vs. cost over the CURRENT pricing of a previous gen card, when the current pricing of that last gen card is about 33% lower than it was at launch if you actually properly take inflation into account. And, a 33% reduction in price equals a 50% increase in performance per dollar.
If that math sounds strange to you, consider a more simple example: How much does performance per dollar increase by if the price is reduced by 50%? It increases by 100%, not 50%.
The average person's income hasn't kept pace with inflation, but we can't blame AMD for that, or, at most, AMD can only take a small fraction of the blame for that.
It's amazing how 18% inflation over three years seems to be breaking everyone's brains.
@syncmonism the thing is....this isn't really the successor to the 6800xt. This is more the successor to the 6700xt at best. Which was $479 I believe at launch, the naming is just all wrong this gen. The 7900xtx is the true successor to the 6800xt imo. If that card had of been $799 it would of been a no brainer lol. I'll probably skip this gen honestly,I have a 3080 so if I'm going to update I want at least a 50% jump in performance but for not much more than I paid. $800 would of been an nvidia killer with the xtx. It's a shame AMD don't have the balls to go after marketshare
Not a mistake. It's upselling and it works.
@@syncmonismIt does make sense to expect an improvement. Nobody forced them to mislabel the models.
I will keep my used arc a770
This gen is meh
my gpu died, only upgrade for me would be 7800xt nothing even close to worth buying.. 500 quid in the UK + a game ( not that i care for starfield but heh its free ) so ur looking at a 420 pound card.
av1 is prob the only reason and the software to go with rnd3.. thats about it.
prices are still dog shit if you ask me.
No way 7800 XT will be faster than 6800 XT, let alone on par with 6900 XT.
According to the recent HUB 7900 GRE rewiew, this GPU is just 8% faster than 6800 XT. And 7900 GRE has 80 CUs!
In the best case scenarios 7800 XT will be on par with 6800 XT, in the worst case scenarios it will a bit slower (~5-7% maybe).
While 7700XT will probably match 6800.
So there will be absolutely no change in price/performance ratio. New 7000 GPUs will take their places right in line with 6000. And AMD will continue to sit on giant pile of GPUs, waiting for someone to buy something, just like Nvidia does.
soo ignored it is clear to me you don't have idea what hardware is and how it works !!!! you compare 6800xt with over 2 years of mature drivers !!!! with hardware that is not yet out !!!!! as about the 7900gre its a cut down hardware for china the watts in this card is not even optimal for 7900 series + the 7900gre is out few months wait little to drivers mature you gone see the 8% to become over 15% minimum (just check every model in 6000 series then and now
@@neofitosmihail4272 "Drivers Mature" lol. The 7000 series has been out for 9 months.
@@atnfn you dont have a clue how gpu hardware made and works PERIOD do you think all the 7000 series is the same you dont think you tell me that sooo amd is retarded who have a specific driver for a specific gpu ???? from your answer its a yes and you need me to comment on that !!!
Tell us all how mad you are@@neofitosmihail4272
7900 GRE has super low clocks and the compute scales better at higher resolutions. At 1440p I could see the 7800 XT being around a 6900 XT.
HWU is also using AIB models with overclocks, which is apparent from the power consumption numbers.
I don't understand the problem with the 7800XT at $499 next to a $499 4060Ti.... It's clearly a better choice 🤔🤔
You can say it is the less crappy choice, since the $499 4060ti is the most crappy GPU this generation.
@@ImaMac-PC 4060Ti is an awful choice at $499 but the 7800XT seems quite ok, look at the die size, it's twice as big as the 4060Ti, nVidia could definitely be selling it for less 😜
@@adi6293 My only point is that if you want to understand if something is better, compare it to something that is good. The 3080 was good. The 3060 ti was good. The 6800 XT was good...all RX 6000 GPUs, post GPU mining, were priced good. This generation has left us with a lack of "good" examples to compare against...sad times. In terms of die size, the 6800 non-XT had an MSRP of 579USD with a large 520mm2 die. The 7800 XT comes with a tiny 200mm2 GCD and four 37mm2 MCD. For reference, the RX 7600 comes with a 203mm2 die. And those four MCD chiplets don't cost more than $25. With chiplets, AMD could definitely be selling it for less. AMD could move the price to performance needle this generation. However, they chose not to.
If you can wait, just wait. If you need a new GPU, and you're thinking of getting Starfield, then I would get one. Personally, I would wait at least until black Friday, and see what deals come out.
the sweetest deal is to wait for that zipfest 7900xtx for $800 then get the Starfield copy on Blackfriday and sell code off you bring that gpu down to $730
i think AMD will launch 7800xtx after this with 72CU which will be actual successor for 6800XT
isn't thst just the overpriced 7900 gre (sure it's 80CU but they already have stock)?
Only when the prices drop. The 7800XT will perform on the level of 6800XT at most. There is near to zero generational improvement.
comparing same names
With increased efficiency, better raytracing, FSR 3 accelerators, 150$ cheaper and most importantly it lays the groundwork for future chiplet generations.
The 6700 XT launched at 480 USD in early 2021, which is equivalent to about 540 USD today. Even if the 6700 XT had launched at around 440 USD in early 2021, the 7800 XT for 500 today would be offering about a 40% improvement in performance per dollar, along with the other improvements which come with the newer architecture, such as better ray tracing performance. If the 6700 Xt had launched at 400 USD, the 7800 XT would still be offering roughly 33% better performance vs. cost even in non-ray-traced applications.
The 7800 XT for 500 USD in 2023 is about 33% cheaper than the 6800 XT was when it launched at 650 in 2020 (which is equivalent to about 770 USD today if you properly adjust for inflation). That represents about a 45-50% improvement in performance per dollar.
Thats why i completely gave up on AMD as they have no clue how to navigate gpu market. They enjoy the scraps what nvidea leaves them and i suppose thats enough for them. Like it or not, the only company thats pushing gpu tech is nvidea. Thats why they can demand such high prices as there is no real competition. I also doubt intel will provide any real value cards since their last gpu disaster.
They know what they are doing , the made bank selling last gen till this late for 600-700$ making ez 30-40% profit. They could have sold 6950xt stock for 550$ and still made a good margin. But it released at $999 when they could have released it at $700 when Nvidias 3080s and 3080tis were selling for 1400$ all trough mid 2021 and Hurt Nvidia market share
You act like what the Radeon group is doing is easy. They are able to consistently put out competitive products even though they have a disadvantage. Do you think being the first company to make chiplet based GPUs is easy? Do you think that's not innovative? Do you have any idea how hard it is to make a competitive graphics card?
Without AMD, things would be so much worse, you have no effing idea. Nvidia would still be selling us re-branded 3000 series cards right now.
Great work, though there is one oversight. 6800 non-XT is this efficient only because of the very low boost clock. If you compare the 6800 XT to the 7800 XT then you will have a better picture of efficiency.
The 7800xt has same cu count as 6800
@@user-lp5wb2rb3v It has, but comparing its efficiency to a low-clocked 6800 or 6900 makes no sense. Underclock 7800 XT to the same speed and things change completely.
@@T4ish0This is true, I'm a Mac also demonstrated in several videos that out of box efficiency can be very easily manipulated by adjusting clocks/voltage.
The 7800 XT is less efficient than we expect because it has less CU's than the 6800 XT and is compensating for it with clocks. This is pretty similar to the relationship between the 6600/6650 XT and 6700.
Between the CU count and the 500 dollar price, I don't really understand why they named this the 7800 XT tbh.
This 7800 is $500 and this guy is complaining. WOW
Final confirmation that this is a Skip it generation from both sides.
An tbh I dont see generational upgrades improving much in the future either.
Radeon's marketing still as poor as ever. No doubt the "Peter principle" is still embedded deeply there.
Personally they should never have put the XT tag on 7800.
As the 7700xt, just like its predecessor, you know the price will drop .& Only then will it become an "OK buy".
The naming is stupid, on that we can agree.
The 6800 XT's current pricing of around 500-520 USD in 2023 is equivalent to around 425-440 USD in 2020. So, its inflation adjusted cost is down by about 30-33% since 2020, making its performance per dollar around 45-50% better than when it launched at 650 in 2020.
It's true that incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, on average, but you can't really blame AMD for that.
It simply doesn't make sense to criticize a new generation card because it isn't a significant improvement in performance per dollar over the CURRENT pricing of last-gen cards, when those last gen cards are themselves already offering around a 45% improvement in performance vs. cost vs. their costs when they first launched. We should be grateful that last gen cards dropped so much in price before the next gen cards even released (similar prices have been available off and on starting around 9-10 months ago).
Nice copy paste@@syncmonism
Thise cards looks so dumb that makes a RX 6800 owners to laugh ,for the same amount of performance you have 4 GB Vram + on a 6800 compared to 7700xt , AMD is selling the same thing whit another name . Im 100 % sure that AMD will lower the price in time for this GPUs after performance comparison with the 6000 series .Peace !
Ya, and people are all saying this isn't bad
It's terrible.
The only saviour for it is that they come with premium starfield.
Well, seems I'm waiting another 6 to 9 months because I'm not paying this kinda money for poor tech.
@@makavelismith what ppl do not know is that the game price is included in both GPU prices . I bet after all this limited game edition of starfield is gonna end , the GPU prices will lower with 30-50 $ .
The 6800 XT's current pricing of around 500-520 USD in 2023 is equivalent to around 425-440 USD in 2020. So, its inflation adjusted cost is down by about 30-33% since 2020, making its performance per dollar around 45-50% better than when it launched at 650 in 2020.
It's true that incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, on average, but you can't really blame AMD for that.
It simply doesn't make sense to criticize a new generation card because it isn't a significant improvement in performance per dollar over the CURRENT pricing of last-gen cards, when those last gen cards are themselves are already offering around a 45% improvement in performance vs. cost vs. their costs when they first launched. We should be grateful that last gen cards dropped so much in price before the next gen cards even released (similar prices have been available off and on starting around 9-10 months ago).
This forced negativity from graphic card UA-camrs is weird … this is a good release.
People don’t upgraded every year, so stop expecting REVOLUTIONARY products every year
You say it's a "good" release. How do you come to that conclusion?
The only really interesting card in RDNA3 is the 7900xtx and it's 30% overpriced...
I am an AMD fanboi as I consider Nvidia and Intel immoral companies. But RDNA3 has been a huge letdown, no doubt..
7800xt 450 would see pretty good but no they are greedy
To make them great cards the 7800xt should cost $450 and the 7700xt should cost $350.
7800xt for $500 is just a replacement for 6800xt you could buy for the same price for many months. Nothing exciting.
7700xt for $450 is a misconception because similarly performing 6800non-xt with more VRAM you can buy for $430. The price will drop to $400 after bad reviews.
I think it should have been $329/399, you know like the vega cards or rdna 1 back when prices were normal
thats too low. 7700x at 380$ and 7800xt at $460 is where they will be By December
probably, but considering they mentioned 2060 and 2070, then if you compare 5600xt/ 5700xt pricing (and iirc they reduced the 5700xt MSRP due to backlash)
I think it would have been reasonable if the prices were $349/399.
However it seeps clear amd wants to get rid of rdna2 first before being aggressive with pricing, that is if they ever will be aggressive with pricing. I doubt amd cares about gpu market share at this point the server/ ai market is where the money is at and for amd mobile too, where they honestly are the strongest for igpu performance (assuming the monster 24cu RDNA 3.5 igpu will come anytime soon)
@@starkistuna
7600 should have been 7500XT at 199.
7700XT should have been 7700 at 329.
7800XT should have been 7700XT at 399.
7900XT should have been 7800 at 549.
7900XTX should have been 7800XT at 699.
But AMD is illegally cartelling with Nvidia to screw up customers :) That is more important than market share.
AMD invented an entirely new MCM approach to GPUs with the 7900xtx and 7900xt. And the 7700xt/7800xt seem to be a slightly better price to performance than what's on the market right now, so a step in the right direction... I get it if you want to say the 7600 is a bad value. But the rest of the cards? The pricing seems relatively justified imo.
You are completely ignoring inflation, which has been a lot higher than normal over the past three years.
The 6800 XT's current pricing of around 500-520 USD in 2023 is equivalent to around 425-440 USD in 2020. So, its inflation adjusted cost is down by about 30-33% since 2020, making its performance per dollar around 45-50% better than when it launched at 650 in 2020.
It's true that incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, on average, but you can't really blame AMD for that.
It simply doesn't make sense to criticize a new generation card because it isn't a significant improvement in performance per dollar over the CURRENT pricing of last-gen cards, when those last gen cards are themselves already offering around a 45% improvement in performance vs. cost vs. when they first launched. We should be grateful that last gen cards dropped so much in price before the next gen cards even released (similar prices have been available off and on starting around 9-10 months ago).
It's good for people to be aware if manufacturers are raising margins, but AMD and (especially) their partner's margins still aren't actually particularly high for their consumer graphics cards. The 7900 XT for 900 was quite bad, and the 7700 XT's pricing of 450 also doesn't make sense, because in each case, the more expensive model is actually giving significantly better value. The 7800 XT has about 20% more GPU compute power, 33% more Vram, and extra memory bandwidth too, for about 12% more cost (though I think the memory bandwidth on the 7700 XT is probably not going to be a significant problem for it).
@@41chemist19 They didn't invent MCM, it had already been used many many years ago. And the whole point of MCM was to reduce cost by combining two different nodes and having a smaller compute die to manufacture, yet we're not seeing any of that. There is no excuse imho.
@@syncmonism I read your comment, and you have a good point, add 15-20% to my prices and they still look much better than what we have now.
We are getting smaller dies disguised as higher tier. Remember when Nvidia did that with the 600 series because there was 0 competition? Yeah, not because inflation. Inflation is not an excuse. I would be happy to pay 500 USD or whatever the price ends up being adjusted for inflation for a 7800XT that is an actual 7800XT, not a 7700 disguised as a 7800XT.
Nvidia is doing the same crap, how is this not agreed consumer milking by the two companies?
@@syncmonism not what I said. What I said is that it's new in the context of GPUs (and don't tell me that I could've gotten a $20,000 server GPU, obviously we're talking in the context of consumer gaming GPUs). The bandwidth requirements necessary for GPUs is significantly higher so the architecture has to be different for it to make sense as opposed to zen. This is not an infinity fabric rip off, this is genuinely new tech and the R&D for that has to be paid for somehow. I think you'll see the benefits of this architecture show over time. Zen 1 was not a very compelling buy, but you fast forward a couple generations to allow AMD to improve on their chiplet tech and the 3000 series was unbeatable for the price at the time. What you see with the 7900xtx is that it's way cheaper than its competitor, the 4080. That's what it needs to be.
Your pessimism in this video has aged like fine milk. Seeing as how the 7800 XT is sold out everywhere day one, and multiple 7700xt SKUs are sold out, or limited stock. This GPU release is turning out to be the best price to performance proposition since the 1080TI.
My pessimism is based on price to performance not improving with this GPU. Your optimism must be because it is sold out. Do you know why it is sold out? Are you assuming it is because a lot of people bought them? How many do you think "a lot of people" represents? Please give me a ballpark number of how many.
1:47 it all started promising when you saw 7700xt vs 4060 ti 16GB (real 4060 or 4050 ti?), 7800xt vs 4070 (sold for weeks under msrp in Europe starts at 580€) big meh appearing...but the 2070 Super (aka rx 5700 XT, 6600 XT, RX 7600 depending of game an RT/FSR...) vs. 7700XT vs 7800XT, just amazed me. How predictable it was the deception...But how well executed by AMD...you're too optimistic with the replacement for RX 6800 with RDNA 3 architecture and clearly overclock to 3 GHz (or they have optimized drivers with dual issue TFlops trying to double the perfromance at compiler level)... to me 7700XT is refresh of 6750Xt like and 7800XT a refresh of a RX 6800, tuned to waste energy in exchange of trying to match perfromance with high clocks... I hope people buy them to make compute processing of data as CDNA3 like, because no way these gpus sell to any sensible person if not linux or code developer or professional use...FSR3 is going to run better in Nvidia an Intel... as a consumer they seem to be made of Decepticon recycled parts...it will be nice to see how they scale in power vs 3dmark...althought you may do deep tests of 4060 and 4070 just in case AMD ask people to buy them in an honest keynote...
If you properly account for inflation, even if the 6700 XT had launched for 400 USD instead of 480 (which was a result of the GPU shortage at the time), the 7800 XT would still represent about a 40% improvement in performance vs. cost over the 6700 XT at that price when it launched two and a half years ago. If the 6700 XT had launched at 400, it would have been considered a very good value, and would have been a significant improvement in value over the 5700 XT.
@@syncmonism Price inflation is measured in bar or psi? AMD needs to remember that their monopoly is on game consoles...acting like you we're alone on the discrete gpu pc market not only is bizarre but, because of the reality being they are alittle piece pie on it, it turns to be so similar to cartellism and kind of intended lack of competition... price are important metric but they may vary in different markets... in Europe, there's no need for 99% of users of buying AMD current generation gpu...
This clown said for $500 pickup a 4070 over the 7800 xt …. Yikes
1440p 😁. Don't listen AMD propaganda, these cards are enough powerful for 4k next-gen games.
yeah but who wants 4k 30 fps? 1080 ti that in 2017 for $700
The 6800 XT's current pricing of around 500-520 USD in 2023 is equivalent to around 425-440 USD in 2020. So, its inflation adjusted cost is down by about 30-33% since 2020, making its performance per dollar around 45-50% better than when it launched at 650 in 2020.
It's true that incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, on average, but you can't really blame AMD for that.
It simply doesn't make sense to criticize a new generation card because it isn't a significant improvement in performance per dollar over the CURRENT pricing of last-gen cards, when those last gen cards are themselves are already offering around a 45% improvement in performance vs. cost vs. their costs when they first launched. We should be grateful that last gen cards dropped so much in price before the next gen cards even released (similar prices have been available off and on starting around 9-10 months ago).
Yeah, these mid-range RDNA III cards don't move the needle, and they are slot-in replacements at the same 1440p performance tiers of RDNA II cards. The pricing is okay and probably better than expected. I thought AMD was going to price the cards $50 more for higher profit margins, but AMD realized they lost this generation and have to salvage the situation. AMD should get RDNA IV out earlier than planned, so they can get ahead of NVIDIA and Intel's release schedules.
If AMD gets RDNA 4 ready for next year, NVIDIA will release some kind of "Super" refresh again to counter. That would be interesting. Maybe then, they move the needle.
@@ImaMac-PC Yeah, Intel is allegedly launching Battle Mage in first half 2024, and NVIDIA is allegedly pushing out next gen for 2025. AMD has another golden opportunity in 2024 if they can launch RDNA 4 earlier than Q4 2024.
Yeah, NVIDIA probably has a backup plan like a Super refresh or announce Blackwell cards on time (for release in Q4 2024). AMD's other divisions have stagnated, so graphics cards would be the last opportunity to boost their revenues.
30percent discount after 3 year it is 2y of crypto freezing 2y another 30percent per year discounts. Imagine these gpus would come out at early 2000 regular price annual cuts. 7800XT would be already 250USD 😅
Watching all leaks, announcements, expectations, its sad I have already realized 4070 to become option at 600USD level. (I play only online games) or AMD Rdna2 if some sale.
Progress isn't happening as fast as it was in the early 2000's, and manufacturing costs are going up. The cards these days are also larger, more complicated, and better made than they used to be (on average). AMD also isn't typically being quite as aggressive with its pricing as it used to be, I think, but that doesn't make their cards suddenly a rip-off.
@@syncmonism How you can explain then GTX1060 6GB to be 299USD MSRP in Jul 2016 and RTX4060 for 299USD too but 7y later?
@@syncmonism Don't you want reason with transport costs too? Bc those were used to excuse increase in prices, but the fact is (example) import cost of single gpu from China to US is just around single USD.
How about crypto boom? No influence on pricing at all? Absolutely zero effect?
@@syncmonism Top end yes, but not budget, check sizes of lower midrange.. keep getting same sizes.
Amazing work! Your video is being objective and provides non filtered insight into this situation. I know AMD is gonna milk early adopters and trying to upsell RX 7800 XT which might be slower than an RX 6800 XT in AMD fanboys' only concern - raster performance. Not only RX 7700 XT, RX 7800 XT will also get a price cut soon. And since Flickery Shimmering Resolution 3 is not exclusive to RDeadOnArrival 3 GPUs and it doesn't provide any unique feature when combined with RDeadOnArrival 3 GPUs, people should either get an Ada Lovelace GPU like RTX 4070 or RTX 4070 Ti or just wait this gen out. Don't get tricked into buying new stuffs for the sake of having new stuffs. After all, RDeadOnArrival 3 doesn't provide much improvement over RDNA 2, which is getting more true further down the lineup you go
The 6800 XT's current pricing of around 500-520 USD in 2023 is equivalent to around 425-440 USD in 2020. So, its inflation adjusted cost is down by about 30-33% since 2020, making its performance per dollar around 45-50% better than when it launched at 650 in 2020.
It's true that incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, on average, but you can't really blame AMD for that.
It simply doesn't make sense to criticize a new generation card because it isn't a significant improvement in performance per dollar over the CURRENT pricing of last-gen cards, when those last gen cards are themselves already offering around a 45% improvement in performance vs. cost compared to when they first launched.
It's good for people to be aware if manufacturers are raising margins, but AMD and (especially) their partner's margins still aren't actually particularly high for their consumer graphics cards. The 7900 XT for 900 was quite bad, and the 7700 XT's pricing of 450 also doesn't make sense, because in each case, the more expensive model is actually giving significantly better value. The 7800 XT has about 20% more GPU compute power, 33% more Vram, and extra memory bandwidth too, for about 12% more cost (though I think the memory bandwidth on the 7700 XT is probably not going to be a significant problem for it).
Very good point. Thank you!
i`d say wait till Christmas and they will most likely be 50-100 off and then they will sell but i somewhat understand AMD as well because RND costs and software support so those guys need to get payed aswell. If AMD told the truth about the level of software improvements they will bring to every GPU not just radeon ones, then price is justified but if they weren`t telling the truth as usual... then suck it AMD but for all our sakes i`m hopeing they make good on the primises.
I'll continue "not to buy" and keep my money for the right times...
Companies needs to sell their overpriced and over-weakened products. But I do not need to buy any of them...
Right times for the end users will eventualy come.
Patience always leads to salvation...
It is kind'a sickening to see companies mocking their own customer group's intelligence...
Shame on them...
But there is no need to be sad about it, cause these are useless and hallow shots (tries)...
This era will end pretty badly for "nvidia/amd/intel" trio...
There's nothing wrong with waiting if you don't like current prices. If sales dip low enough, they will be forced to reduce prices on graphics cards. The 6700 XT went from being overpriced to being a big improvement over the previous generation stuff when it went from 480 USD at launch, to around 320 (off and on) starting around 9 months ago.
However, the 6800 XT's current pricing of around 500-520 USD in 2023 is equivalent to around 425-440 USD in 2020. So, its inflation adjusted cost is down by about 30-33% since 2020, making its performance per dollar around 45-50% better than when it launched at 650 in 2020.
It's true that incomes haven't kept pace with inflation, on average, but you can't really blame AMD for that.
It simply doesn't make sense to criticize a new generation card because it isn't a significant improvement in performance per dollar over the CURRENT pricing of last-gen cards, when those last gen cards are themselves are already offering around a 45% improvement in performance vs. cost vs. their costs when they first launched. We should be grateful that last gen cards dropped so much in price before the next gen cards even released (similar prices have been available off and on starting around 9-10 months ago).
Another UA-camr that fell to audience capture . They negative = he negative
So now we are disguising core starvation into 4k-8K capable cards. So with each generation the flagship cards are going to be utilized at less % with 1440p. Nice.