Super8 Midi Controller for Reaper DAW
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Live looping with the Reaper DAW, a foot pedal and an optional midi controller
00:00 Start
03:10 Basic setup of Super 8 Looper plugin
08:32 Adding the Midi controller plugin for foot pedal support
18:37 Adding the Midi controller hardware parameters for arming and playback
23:29 Adding a virtual instrument as input for a looper slot
27:13 Linking volume and pan control on the Midi controller hardware to the looper slots
29:44 Combining all tracks in a parent child setup
32:33 Using two independent looper cycle intervals
34:05 Routing multiple audio input channels of the hardware to multiple looper slots
35:09 Troubleshooting the Midi signals
38:08 Downloading and installing the Midi controller plugin
Some looper examples on UA-cam:
Ed Sheeran - Shape Of You - Loop Pedal Version: • Video
Taylor Reed - Gangsta’s Paradise Cover: • "Gangster's Paradise" ...
Kenny Gioia’s Super 8 Looper plugin tutorial: • Super 8 Looper in REAPER
My plugin download page: github.com/EarlyBert/S8-midi-... - Навчання та стиль
Absolutely Fantastic Info. Ditto on the person who said " the only complete explanation I have seen or read"'. Thank you so much.
This was so clear and helpful. Thank you so much!
Thanks for the detailed breakdown. Very helpful.
You're wellcome!
This video is a great comlimentary to Kenny Gioa's. I learnt a lot (steep learning curve at the start) from both but yours was the one that got me up and running. Thanks for taking the time to do the video and share your expertise.
This is the most helpful video for Looping on Reaper. A huge thank you to you. I was so frustrated because I found a way to use the sustain pedal but I had to use the Midi keyboard instead of LPD8, you saved from a disappointing moment, the video was so detailed and well explained that now not only get the set up right but I understand it! I wish you the best and thank you again.
Thank you Juan! I'm glad I could help.
You can actually control all the actions (including the Kill event) with MIDI notes by just assigning a note value to the pad by right-clicking on the OFF label and dragging to whatever value you want. I repurposed a an old GR-1 guitar synth/pedal board and made it into a MIDI controller using a $5 USB Arduino clone off eBay (Pro Micro ATmega32U4) and programmed the values for the Super8. Works great, thanks for the vid!
Great tip, thanks!
Super helpful. Wouldn't have figured out the set up without this tutorial. I am facing an issue setting up multiple midi patches. I mean, I want to use the same midi keyboard but run it through different tracks that have different instruments - for ex a piano patch in one and a strings patch in another one. How do I play without triggering both at the same time?
In the audio loops, I can connect the same guitar to multiple loop pads and have different patches from guitar rig on each, but I am not able to do this for midi. Kindly help.
Use different midi channels for each .
Many thanks for this! Was very helpful. One note, just in case it's not already covered in the comments somewhere:
Super 8 has been updated to add an extra yellow button (play/rec selected). If you map a foot switch to that button, it will, record, play, stop, erase whichever looper slot you have selected. If you want to use just one foot switch to control recording, etc., I'm pretty sure this new button obviates the need for Bert's midi controller plug-in. At least it did for me.
One thing I did notice, though, is that it seems like Super 8 can only receive midi on channel 1. I had a conflict with a touch OSC controller I made, so I was hoping to send Super 8 midi on a different channel. The solution I came to was to insert the JS Midi/Transpose plugin before Super 8 and then forward messages from channel 2 to channel 1 on that track.
Does anybody know if there's a way to change Super 8 in the code to receive midi on a different channel?
Do you know if the new button can somehow support overdubbing? rather then cycle through rec/play/stop. I don't want the loop to stop before I get to record again, if that makes sense.
It's been a while since I played with this. I can't remember. I suspect that's possible, but I couldn't tell you how to make it wor off the top of my head. There's another video on UA-cam of Justin, the developer of Reaper, playing with Super 8. That adds some additional context, which may make this video more understandable. That's where I learned about the extra button. @@SouthAtlanticMusic
The idea and the tool you share is nice, I have not yet succeded, though. I am trying to configure the plugin with my Akai MPKmini with sustain pedal connected. So in my setup I have a single MIDI controller that provides both the 8 pads and the foot pedal. I have followed your instructions and all went well with the pedal setup. Then I configured the pads and knobs in the controller and, after setting 'External midi controller?" to "Yes" the pedal stopped working. Moreover only pads 5 till 8 propagate to the Super8 plugin. Does your plugin allow using a single controller with pads, knobs and the pedal?
Yes, I think it should support a single controller. Don't know where it goes wrong in your case. The only help I can give is to refer you to the "Troubleshooting" section starting at 35:09. Hope you'll be able to solve it!
HI man great video super cool custom plugin, i was just wondering, ive got a problem where everything is working until i reach the point where i turn the external midi controller to 'yes' then i no longer reviece input from the pedal for that slot, any ideas as to why?
I actually don't remember much of the setup. Could you indicate at what point in the video things go wrong?
Great stuff, thanks so much for making this its just what I needed!
Is it possible to use something else other than a foot pedal to trigger record? For example could I assign a pad on the MIDI controller instead?
Sure Leemore, if you select a "foot switch" in the plugin instead of a "foot pedal" and assign the correct midi note for the switch it should do the trick (see video starting at 9:16).
@@BertBouwhuis-BB that's great thank you!
Wouaou!! thanks a lot that's really helpful!!
I saw there was another js with fade in and fade out, that would cover some need of mine. I tried it but could not understand how it is supposed to work. Could you explain it ? thx anyway :)
Hi Vincent, yes I made another one with fade in and fade out support. First of all, the volume and pan makes it somewhat easier to attach control knobs to the effect (such as explained by Kenny here: ua-cam.com/video/6aV_Xh_vS_Q/v-deo.html). The fade in and out settings operate whenever you re-start or stop playout of a looper slot. For the rest, both effects are the same. Hope this helps.
I would have never figured this out on my own
at 37:39: Right click drag up/down on the 'offs' to assign a midi note for "Kill" Button or any other
Great tip, thanks!
Hi Bert, does this plugin still work with the new version of super8? It would be amazing to have an updated version that could send cc messages as well as note messages
Sorry, I am not quite up to date with the latest versions and haven’t spent much time on the subject lately. So , don’t expect an update soon 😊
So I got the virtual instrument controlled by my midi controller assigned properly to a track. When I play it, I see that it's working on the track and if I record, I see the audiowaves, but when I playback, I don't get any sound. Any idea what's going on?
Sorry Sean, that's hard to diagnose from a distance...
how do I install the midi controller for s8 looper with fade in and out once I download it from github... it only has file as a file extension. I put it in my .vst folder and it does not appear in the list.. what am I doing wrong?
HI Peter, did you check the part starting at 38:08 ? And did you do the rescan or restart?
I have down loaded reaper awhile ago but I amstill recording with a very old acid sw. I think they are similar and because of that I have chosen it. I do not intend to do live loops but could reaper be an alternative to a loop station in your opinion?
Best regards
Framat
Hi Framat, yes I do think it's an alternative. It will take you some time however to get things right. If you want to avoid that, the BOSS RC-300 (or similar) would be a better option I guess!
Everything worked on my tower PC but on my laptop Super8 doesn't recognize what your plugin outputs... any suggestions?
Hard to tell from here. My only advice would be to try some of the troubleshooting suggestions (starting at 35:09).
What a fantastic video and plugin. So far the only one one I have found to operate on a DAW and which emulates full freestyle looping as on a Boss RC 505 or a Rang III
Thank you! I checked the latest version of Super 8 and it's probably the window size: if you enlarge the plugin window of Super 8 (especially vertically), the REV burron will reappear in the lower left corner of each section. Any luck with that?
@@BertBouwhuis-BB *FACEPALM* hahaha yeah, that fixed it! Thanks so much. Onto the endless mapping now! :D
Hi Burt ! Many thanks for your tutorial.
I'm playing live a doublebass solo.
Reaper + super 8 looper + midi foot switch controler + multi out soundcard
It works really great !!! I play live and sync off. With that i can freely choose the tempo and the lenght of my loops accordind to my mood.
But is there a way to have loops playing together with different lenght ?
Cheers !
Hi Kham, great music you have on your channel! And excellent recording by the way, both audio and video. I see no easy way to have loops with different lengths though. Sorry about that. Regards, Bert
@@BertBouwhuis-BB many thanks for answering ! Hope it will be possible one day. Very kind words about my music. You also have a very good and inspiring channel. i love it !
All the best !
Thank you, Bert ! Very nice presentation. I have a doubt. Controlling the modules, there is the option for midi keyswitching, the CC control, the OFF and the one called "PC". Is this last for using the computer keyboard ? If it´s true, how to find the corresponding number to computer keys map ? Thanks a lot ! Best !
Sorry Julio, I don't know what you're referring to in your question. Could you give me a timestamp in the video?
@@BertBouwhuis-BB Thanks, Bert. But I did not found any explaining for this in any video or tutorial, but if you right-click in any module controls, like rev, rec, ply and sel, it will cycle through OFF, Midi note number, CC number and PC number. Off is not receiveing anything, midi number is refered to the number of the key that will make the command, CC number is the number of the controller (like sustain pedal 64) that will do the command and finally "PC" number. I don´t know what is this "PC" option... Is for a QWERTY keyboard option ? Thanks.
@@JulioHerrlein It's also a MIDI message type: CC = Control Change and PC = Program Change. I have never worked with these PC's though. If you search for Program Change Midi on the Internet you will hopefully find your answer!
@@BertBouwhuis-BB YESSSSS !! PC stands for Program change. Perfect ! Thanks a lot !
@@JulioHerrlein FYI: there's a new UA-cam video on Super8: ua-cam.com/video/9K92vHi3DNE/v-deo.html
has this plugin been encorporated into the updates of Super8?
Not that I know of.
@@BertBouwhuis-BB thanks bert. I appreciate ya. Subscribed
Hi Bert, thanks for this tutorial.
I have a tiny issue with my foot pedal maybe you can help me with that ?
I use a marshall footswitch to trigger the loop, it works with your settings but I have to press it two times to record and two times again to start the playback. Do you know how I can solve that so I just need to hit it once ? Thanks :)
Hi Anno, it's probably related to the "switch versus pedal" discussion, as also explained starting at 8:34. For a switch, the plugin expects a midi note "on" when pressed once and a note "off" when pressed again. For a pedal, the plugin expects a certain midi cc value when pressed down and a reset of that value when released. I assume the marshall is a footswitch sending midi notes. In that case it must behave like a toggle switch: press once for note "on" and again for same note "off". Hope this helps...
@@BertBouwhuis-BB Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Yes I was wondering that but when I hit it, there is not note being played when I watch in the midi editor.. So I think it is considered as a pedal then ? How do you figure out which midi value your pedal needs ?
@@AnnoG Best way to find out what your pedal is producing is using the ReaControlMIDI plugin, see also starting at 35:09! Then set the correct parameters in my plugin (if possible).
@@BertBouwhuis-BB Okay I checked this and the values are the same as when you press the pedal. I'll leave the parameters like you did and I guess I'll have to press two times, thanks for your time I appreciate it
@@AnnoG Too bad! Hope you will be abe to live loop anyway!
huh. guess I'm out of luck. I don't have the "MIDI control for Super 8" Cukoos took it out of Reaper 5.+
You can download it, he explaind it at the end...
Hello budy, how are you you can put it in Portuguese subtitles. thousands of Brazilians use the Reaper program It would be of great benefit to us, please
Github just has abunch of code.. no download link
Yeah, the Dwnload botton on the page was changed by Github. Just click on the green "Code" button and then a "Download ZIP" will appear!
@@BertBouwhuis-BB LOL such a easy solution.. "All i see is code" ..."look under the code button"... Hilarious!!
Im trying to use a xbox controller as a looper footswitch.. Hopefully this will work out for the play,clear and record on 1 channel.
Sadly not code savy enough to figure out how to just bind macros to the commands.
When set External Midi Controller = yes, my foot pedal signals aren't being sent to the slot any more. :(
If I set External Midi Controller = No, foot pedal signals are being sent again.
Hi Barrett, the troubleshooting section might give you some hints, starting at 35:09! Your problem could probably be related to the "Midi pass through setting" at the bottom of the plugin window?
@@BertBouwhuis-BB Yup! That was is! Adding ReaControlMIDI before and after made things much clearer. Also! I found JS: MIDI Tool v2 allows me to map signals more easily than setting up programs in my MPK Mini mk3. Thanks for the tip! I learned alot from your video.
Hee Bert, je talent op een andere manier aanwenden?
Tsja, een mens is nooit te oud om te leren toch? Was wel een hele kluif eerlijk gezegd. Het enige deel waar ik een klein beetje van kende was Reaper. Voor de rest begon ik praktisch gezien vanaf nul: de Super8 looper plugin, de Reaper plugin programmeertaal, Midi, OBS Studio screencasting, Github... Maar ik ga er dan ook wel van uit dat je alle 40 minuten helemaal hebt uitgezeten John!
You Bet!..en niet een keer, maar minstens 5 keer de rit uitgezeten!
So you have a version with fade in/out.
And no instructions.
It doesn’t work.
Wasted hours.
Super 8 loops often have unacceptable clicks. Thought your plug-in might solve that.
If it does, it’s not obvious.