The TINY Factor that Made Aston Martin Slow
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
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Red Bull are rapid, and Aston Martin… aren’t. So what’s the difference?
The cars aren’t that different. They both have the same components, but with some small differences that make enormous gains on the track.
So let’s go over them, and see what the top teams are doing that the lower teams aren’t.
We took the fastest car this year, the Red Bull, and the *slowest*, Aston Martin, and analysed their approaches to find out what makes that crucial difference.
But why did we pick them?
I think very few people would me the best car out there at the moment is the red. With its ripple power trains, Honda power unit in the back. I think that's the one that's been the most consistent, most reliable, uh, maybe not the quickest over a single lap, but certainly in race performance. And really that's where it counts.
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Imagine 20-30 years ago telling someone a car made by a drinks company would be the fastest in Formula 1, and James Bond's car would be the slowest
Benetton is a clothes company, just saying... no one would be surprised
@@Fred_the_1996 Ferrari is a clown company, so no one would be surprised
@Gibbon leclerc
"Aston Martin" f1 is owned by a salesman who sells baseball caps.
the slowest is the williams. I don't know why they picked on aston
*binotto watching intensely*
Nah Binotto gets his information from twitter
Stroll
to copy Aston Martin
While taking detailed notes
So? Binotto couldn't take even the f2004 to a championship win
Adrian Newey. The only man to see airflow and speak fluent air
They don't have windtunnels. They have a Newey
Air breathes him.
Fookin’ airbender!
He is playing the role of an advisor. Not necessarily involved in engineering these days .
@@ananthu8534 He might still be giving valuable and significant insights into the design process. To have an asset like him and then limit his role is plain idiocy.
The Aston has been pretty decent as of late, running in the midfield in most of the past few races. The Williams or even the Alfa has seemed quite a bit slower to me
Alfa were looking like the 4th best car at the beginning of the season, but they sorta dropped the ball halfway through the season
Aston Martin is hindered by its qualifying performance. It's terrible on Saturdays.
Aston is only quick in the races.. their quali pace is just rubbish..
@@chrismansour5191 pretty much all of the smaller teams drop off cuz they have to conserve their money unlike the big teams 😢 thats y i watch wec and indy lol
Honestly with Dan Fallows onboard for next years car, Aston may be ones to keep an eye on over the next couple of years
So when is Scarbs officially joining Driver 61? The collabs are always super high quality with Scott!
Who does Scarbs actually work for? Or is he a consultant for hire to F1TV, Driver61, etc.? Did he used to work for a F1 team? Love him. Need to know more about him.
@@joshuapinter „Although I am not a permanently accredited member of the F1 media, I attend tests, launches and some races. I am in touch with the teams ,their Technical Directors\Designers and a whole host of other engineers related to the sport. In terms of in depth technical knowledge, illustration and photography, I have few peers.“ straight from his website. he calls himself a journalist and illustrator
@@wastedsoviet "I have few peers" lmao
low Q because give a very wrong info in video.
Scarbs is a gift to the F1 world! Love hearing his perspective!
ScRabs lol
get him some soundproofing
Ahhh yes, the green tractor
Still far more potential than 80%of the grid for the future.
@@Gl-my8fw there is always potential when you are shit.
@@Gl-my8fw That's impossible
Merc and RB both has potential, as well as Ferrari's car not Ferrari itself
If you look at it that way than top 20 is rb and merc, 3rd is the Aston and then the other can be worse
But as I said Ferrari still has higher potential so it can't be higher than 60% even optimistically and about 30% logically
@@adamn7125 I am exaggerating but I'm very optimistic about their future.
The fact it's slower than a f2 car. SMH. Seb doesn't deserve that shit.
This aged good 6months later AM are second fastest
I understand about 25% of these explanations but I enjoy them 100% thank you
The problem of AM: Lawrence stroll. He’s limiting his employees in their creativity. F1 teams are a selection of people that are the top 1% in their expertise. You hire these people because of their quality, you need to trust them in what they do. LS probably is a good leader to a normal company but not for a F1 team. He’s the type that wants to be in control and he doesn’t avoid inflicting fear when he think he needs to. If you pay close attention to footage of him, you see people falling into silence when he enters the room. In a F1 team this is undesirable and it will choke people in their creativity. As an employee, if you’re afraid of making mistakes, the higher the chance you’re going to make them. He loves hierarchy but a team with so much talent in all areas should be more flat and accessible. He will never succeed as a F1 team owner
Steve Jobs already said it once:
“You don’t hire smart people to tell them what to do, you hire smart people so they can tell you what to do”
Steve Jobs was really good at 3 things:
- make beautiful looking products
- extract as much as possible money from your wallet in shortest amount of time
- selecting and managing the best people money could buy
He would’ve been a better F1 team owner than LS
Steve Jobs was good at 1 thing and that was marketing.
@@Marc98338 point 1 and 2 fall under that category. People are suckers for esthetics and he knew it. Apple still works this way. Charging ridiculous prices for a Mac tower. I can build a Pc for a quarter of the price that runs twice as fast. And still people buy that stuff without asking because it’s a way of expressing their “creativity”. Pretty smart if you ask me.
But he knew that the best way to manage smart people was to don’t manage them at all and let them do their thing.
This was the point I was trying to make
@@sailyui I live in The Netherlands, so take your best guess
@@Marc98338 Facts! People should stop worshipping Steve Jobs simply because they know their way around an iPhone
@@MrFWStoner tbf Aston Martin is a good looking car based on good looking road cars. And he did hire some of the best people so he may have done 1.5 out of 3 things you mentioned.
He did misinterpret your 2nd one😂
I'm glad you touched on buying in parts. If we aren't there already, we're very soon going to reach the point where only factory teams can compete for championships. It's true they've always had advantages, of course, but the effect seems magnified in this era - Red Bull stopped winning titles when Renault bought back in, and only started again when Honda switched to them. Makes me shudder to think of McLaren's future, and where they could have been had they stuck with Honda.
Mclaren themselves should share some blame of the honda engines. Idk what was their input and improvements but it definitely made no change. And some team may beat Renault while buying their engine like RB and Mclaren, that is never happening with Mercedes PU
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 well a team may beat Alpine with Renault engines, fair enough, but I don't think they'd beat *everyone* buying Renault engines - or indeed buying anyone's engine.
Which is fine, if there's enough engine makers to go around. Not everyone has to be in F1 to win championships. The problem is that there are teams for whom that IS the primary goal, but are stuck as customer teams, which means, in this environment, that they'll never again achieve what they're in F1 to do. Williams, McLaren, and Sauber/Alfa Romeo come to mind. (Yes, I included Sauber - they entered F1 with the intent of being the Mercedes factory team until McLaren scooped that deal, and were a factory team and title competitor with BMW since).
I'll leave out Aston Martin - they seem to be in it for the prestige and advertising value. Haas seem to be in it for the technical benefit to the parent company. So they don't count as title aspirants.
mclearn only had themselves to blame. In Ross Brawn's book he talked about how ferrari had a couple of problems with bridgestone, but, he said, that he tried his absolute best to not blame them so that they could fix the problem. It's also a japanese company, if you insult that that really hurts them because their society has a lot to do with honor and saving face, and yelling "gp2 engine" doesn't exactly motivate them. It is very funny though
It would be hard to imagine what would happen in McLaren stuck with Honda. Would then Honda end up supplying RedBull still? If so I think that would defeat the purpose of exclusiveness and being able to work together with the supplier so that the PU and the car can really fit together, and that's where I think teams like RBR, Mercedes and Ferrari have an advantage in comparison to their "second teams" (in the case of Alpha Tauri) or consumer teams like Alfa Romeo or Williams. RedBull wouldn't be where they are today.
But if Honda was exclusive to McLaren I also don't think they would have the same success as RedBull, I think the team as a whole just isn't as competent... But we can't really know, all speculation.
@@arturmenezesdesa8955 it is tough to say that Honda would've been as good with McLaren as they were with red bull, you're totally right. But I think McLaren would be better off than they are now - and over the past three seasons at least. Honda ALWAYS is terrible at the beginning and great by the end. True in the 80s, true when they came back with BAR, true in Indycar (Rahal dropped them after a terrible first year in 1994 I think, and by the next year they were right at the top, for everyone else). Just stick it out with Honda and you'll be rewarded.
For people, who asked: But Williams is slower. Well yes, but actually not from car side, because they didn't do the tyre test last year, so they gap came from there, even I wouldn't say otherwise it would be a good mid field car, but it would be around Alpha Tauri and Haas.
Yeah that Williams is slick on the straights. Very fast in a straight line.
@@RlukeM they forgor to add downforce and i love it
@@GenericRedDot lol yeah they did
I hope HAAS can get some good upgrades soon, I really want them to do well. KMag got my hopes up on the first race of the season at Bahrain. I also would love to see an American get a seat for next year. If F1 does get an American driver, unfortunately it will most likely not be with HAAS. If you can't tell, I am an American myself. I started watching F1 in 2016 and I haven't missed a race since, I even buy the yearly F1TV access. I just would like to see someone representing the United States in F1. Hopefully Colton Herta can get a seat in the next couple years.
@@u2zero2u me too. After the rough 2021 season I really hoped they would come back with a strong car this year.
established titles makes you an official Lord as much as I am an official F1 driver because I play F1 2022 on my pc
Throughout these developments, surprisingly I've never heard of any teams investigating the application of a Kline-Fogleman (stepped) airfoil for the underfloor. As wikipedia describes it, the purpose of the step is to allow some displaced air to fall into a pocket behind the step and become part of the airfoil shape as a trapped vortex or vortex attachment. This purportedly prevents separation and maintains airflow over the surface of the airfoil.
I'll have to say that some in-program ads make a lot more sense than others. Interesting to watch you pitch this one with a straight face.
This video has a lot of good points. An it’s also showed how much the budget cap has gone into effect. Where as before it was how much money you could throw at a car. To now where the people working within the team make the difference. An it really shows. Red Bull really is a great example of it regardless of how much you may hate or like them. Having a good challenging car in the past with no cost limit and always doing well against merc and Ferrari. Both teams that never struggled financially mind you. They really designed a great overall car with a great diver and team. It’s the perfect puzzle!
Yeah Red Bull is hitting on all cylinders the past 2 seasons. I wish Red Bull would poach Lando from McLaren. I think Max and Lando would be a unstoppable pairing.
As Gerhard Berger said about Mr. K(C)rack at his Performance with BMW in DTMchampship 2 Weeks before he joined Aston as Teamchef: "He does not know, why his driver qualified 2nd, and the next race he does not know, why his driver qualified in the last row" 😇😅
Dude I can’t believe you made me watch 2 minutes about on buying land in Scotland
Ha ha ,i skipped the "sponsor's message"
The only surefire way of being quick in F1 is to get Honda involved then wait until they quit. Guaranteed the following year's car will be the fastest on the grid.
They're no longer a title sponsor, but it still says Honda on the car and on the company's shirts, Honda is still building the PUs until the end of 2025, that's 4 years they committed to F1 after they left.
@@gpaje They don't actually have to quit, just the statement will do! Does mean we've got to wait at least 4-5 more years before another team can benefit though...
@@ApothecaryTerry No, probably in a month or so red bull and Honda are going to announcel 2026 and later partnership.
So , got a new sponsor I see .New content 🤘🏼🏁thx
Has any team ever tried a passive pushing wing-within the airbox, an inverted airfoil, trailing edge down, to leverage the incoming high-speed air....? And /or another (albeit not inverted), trailing edge almost fully up, just behind the diffusers?
This really was a great explanation, and helped me understand Aston's issues. Sadly, it also reminded me that we will have to say goodbye to Sebastian Vettel soon 😔
How much of a factor is the RB gear ratios? It seems like they nailed that part of the equation too.
Ferrari always going for long gears and 'traction' 🤭
gear ratios were likely why they had so much downforce at Monza, any less and they would have kept running into the rev limiter
1. I could listen to Scarbs say, “Vorticity” all day.
2. I wonder if RB dumping that hot dirty air straight back, rather than up and over the back of the wing, makes it any harder for other cars to follow… 🤔
probably
For your second point, I kind of thought the same thing this year when I saw the fiddly wings on Mercedes' sidepods, especially when all those tiny winglets were probably why the Mercedes looked impossible to follow and also bad at following in the previous regs.
@@n8pls543 That’s an interesting point, too. It’ll be cool to see how much the teams are able to improve in the off-season, given this first full year’s data and time to focus exclusively on next year’s challengers.
11:25 imo it looks a bit like doing a blown diffuser but on a spoiler and air is from radiators
How did the guy that won an f1 drive do? I can’t wait for the video!
Great content!
I am curious to know:
1 - your favourite brand
2 - your favourite team
3 - your favourite team boss
4 - your favourite driver
3:18 8-cylinder motor there
It’s from the Red Bull 2014 regulation change video, basically showing the switch form 8 to 6 cylinders
Love the Heston like frames Scarbs! Just can't see your eyes because of the screen reflection.
Of the Mercedes supplied teams it's only McLaren that seems to be 'sort' of up there and that is just one McLaren F1 car since Ricciardo's is mostly going backwards.
I would mainly put Aston's woes on the engine.
Aston Martin watched this video and took it personally. They are in the fight for 6th spot now.
Driven media also released a video, must watch after this.
All good, as long as you watch both 👀
@@Driver61 always produces the quality informative videos. I was inspired from your vids on improving the hybrid system as my team's thesis but sadly it was declined due to time and money. Keep it up Scott and team.
1:49 Mercedes PU be like hold my beer
I'd say Alfa Romeo the stale mated their progress Zhou and valtteri were good in the first 5 races then they completely disappeared
Yeah Bottas was fighting and out qualifying the Mercs and now he can barely make it to Q2
They were the only team to hit the weight limit at the start, and the Ferrari powered cars were powerful early on. Every other team has been working on losing car weight the whole season, and the merc and honda engines have been turned up as the season's progressed.
I'd say it's less that Alfa fell down and more that the others caught up, then Alfa got budget constrained and couldn't keep up development.
They scored big in the first half of the season perhaps that will secure their 6th place in the constructors championship.
First 9 races
Chrono GP have some of the best 3D animations, I recommend you have a look at them.
I might be seeing something else with red bull, though I may well be wrong. The hot air coming out of the radiators is potentially lower pressure thanks to good ol' Boyle's law. Already lower pressure air run across the underside of the main plane of the rear wing should increase efficiency?
What a great turnaround by the Aston they were 9th and rn are 7th and maybe 6th better than last year
Hi Scott how's Nigel doing, I still got one of his shirts. awesome sauce!!
Can anyone tell me where to find the clip of the red bull on 1:49
“Max verstappen drives the rb18 for thr first time”, its on redbulls youtube
It'll be footage from their Silverstone shakedown filming day, but it's not in their official YT video or in other videos as far as I've seen.
Actually I don't think the AM is that slow when it's coming to race trim, but in qualifying they are just terrible. If they could make it into q2 a couple of times they might have a decent chance to drive into the points at least if the track suits the car a bit. But so far they mostly looked great in trainings and then shit the bed in qualifying and sat in some drs train in the race having a hard time to make any progress.
Great to see Lawrence Stroll, the bully's team used as the slow car.
Yo. Can you have your audio guy get in touch with Peter Windsor's audio guy, and give him a clue, please? Scarbs is roughly the same volume as Scott in this video. Wild concept, I know.
Funniest thing is they both have almost the same car concept lol
the difference is resources.
developing a great car is required a lot of resources.
yes, cost cap is one way to reduce the resource gap between teams but resources not just talking about money but also infrastructure, man power, and years of experience.
Aston Martin might as well be called Frankenstein.
Your the BEST Scott!
At this point, you should just buy Scarbs a better mic? or a lavalier mic? lol with how often you're collabing with him. I always find the part where he speaks distracting because of how echo-y his sound is
great content keep pushing
I’m too dumb for this. Love it .
We all are , that is why we are here learning.😊
So when is Red Bull going to make a road car?
So quit blaming the drivers, it's the car that's at fault.
I really liked the look of the original Aston
Nice demonstration on why copying the visible bits is usually not enough. I am surprised that more teams haven't played with the rake of their cars though. This has been a clear characteristic of Newey's car designs for RBR, and it is an important parameter in aero. Airplane pilots put the nose slightly up for a smoother flight. It would make sense that F1 cars, with aero working in the opposite direction, would also get a more stable ride with more rake. Yet no one seems to have copied it or played with it seriously 🤷♂
They have to create a down foce for underneath creating a suction type , low pressure area. One you create down force with the top side of your car you also create drag. It's tricky to have a high rake and a down foce in the same time. Newey is an expert in this concept. Yes they have a high rake car with a good down force and not bouncing issues cause of that. Also bumpy tracks are easy to negotiate when you have clerence underneath
"Yet no one seems to have copied it or played with it seriously"
Which I think is weird, since the higher rake increases the amount of negative pressure under the car, adding downforce without too much extra drag. If you then manage to still aerodynamically seal the floor edges, you basically have a diffusor the size of the car.
@@halofreak1990 well next yr might all high rakes then. I'm no expert but I don't think changing rake angle mid-season is easy to do. The new regulations focuses on ground effect, so everyone (else) was probably trying to run low as much as possible, without thinking much of the rake topic of previous seasons. Even commentators didn't talk about it in this year's testing.
@@halofreak1990 Yup, exactly. The aerodynamic seal is precisely what Newey came up with---because after the Lotus 79 and the cars it inspired, the rules quickly banned physical seals on the sides to trap the flow and amplify the venturi effect. And then in 1983, they banned ground effect cars entirely, until this year. The cars were getting too fast (without the current safety measures) and the Gs too hard on the drivers.
@@givemeabreak8784 Maybe the budget caps played a role because, as you point out, it would indeed mean rebalancing the whole aero of the car accordingly. But RBR's Newey-designed cars already had visibly more rake in the previous years, so I was expecting at least some of the teams to explore that for the new design.
The slowest is actually the Williams. On most tracks, it is slower on one lap than the Aston Martin and it generally has less race pace
It's funny how the Aston Martin F1 car is called slow, yet is still one of the fastest race cars ever made.
Said no-one ever 👍
Its almost as if regulations in racing existing
Adrian Newey the real last airbender
Front wings on RB in the races look different than at the time of launch of the car. With a great car it is critical that the driver makes no mistakes. Max's driving has been absolutely flawless, smooth and therefore so quick. He has to put in much less steering than any other car.
Steering depends on how the driver sets up their steering rack but counter/corrective steering, yes.
@@Olli399 so Max has done to perfection & we saw this with Lewis also until 2022 season when he had a very strong stable reliable car & ofcouese Lewis's driving skill.
flawless? his unforced error rate is very high this season, as it was In previous seasons. he's span multiple times and run off the track by himself several times. I don't think you watched every session or check the statistics.
So pink merk version 2.0 failed even if its br green and names Aston Martin,weird with them cause its around 15 years since they joined F1(different name but the same team) and yet they still act as a new team at times.
Lets hope by 2024 they are an actual contender for the championship, as well with my hopes for McLaren!
I know this is mainly about Aston Martin, but the car that I still rate highly is the Williams. After several seasons of having a brick of a car, they now have a nice slick design. It's true they could do with a little more downforce, but with a fundamentally ultra low drag car, it's very promising. You can bet they wish they still had Russell so they could see what it could achieve.
I think a way better comparison would be RB vs AT since they use the same engines
At 1:44 him saying in the back sounds like a duck
Maybe get the the guy a high quality mic if you have him in every video?
Last minute christmas gift
Dude its september
Serious question: How does an engineer knows the car (design,aerodynamics,engine etc)so well if he never driven it?
telemetry
Formula one is my favourite sport, but it's such a problem when we only get three races in the last 9 weeks,
Tyres are the one thing touching the road.....
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So weird that Alonso is moving from the 4th best team to, arguably, the slowest.
Maybe he knows something we don't. People didn't understand why Hamilton moved to Mercedes back in 2013 either.
@@akl4499 Money and a chance to one up Seb. Track record wise, he’s not known for making good career decisions.
i bet that buying the rear suspension and gearbox from mercedes is causing alot of problems with the redbull like sidepods. merc is designed to be run as low as possible while redbull is somehow getting downforce with alot more ground clearance, they are completely different concepts and i think thats why aston is struggling.
Yeah I noticed that. Most cars on the grid look like they are sealed to the ground but the Red Bull has almost the same clearance and rake as last years car.
Would love if the videos was without music. The content is interesting by it self
This aged like warm milk
Oh how things change
just heard you go me my answer about you; you drove in the indy lights series.
I always wondered where your technical knowledge of the cars and driving techniques were so extensive.
👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I hope next year is better for the competition
Well I made them a championship contender on the f1 manager game.
Well this aged well!😂 (the Aston being slow)
I think Alphatauri is the slowest cars at now. It performs very well in qualy but race pace is awful. Nevertheless their results are not last because simply Gasly and Tsunoda do well.
Aston was slowest before but in my opinion they got race pace.
I know this is like the least important thing there is to an F1 car, but I can't help but say it. I thought the AMR-22 with it's fat, undercut sidepods was beautiful. If they were going to still be doing bad in the races, I wish I could at least watch them do poorly in that car I liked to see on the track XD
From Pink Mercedes to Green Bull
There's only so much you can copy
Red bull gives you wings that’s why
But have you seen that Aston Martin livery tho 😮💨
Small differences - when you break budget cap and spend more money to develop car
Stroll will qualify far high up the grid in Singapore, with the slowest car on the grid.
Mark my words.
yeah cause it isnt especially in a track like singapore
Hold up, they were slower than F2 down the straights?? That's is ridiculous and embarrassing. Wow
i think they want to get higher downforce cause they driver driving style but the problem is they copied redbull but using merc rear end whic is where it didnt work look at mercs now cause they stick to one philoshopies they actually fast now
Established Titles (sponsor) appears to be quite a well known, semi-harmless scam?
So what we've learned from this video?
Fast cars are fast and slow cars are slow 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The worst AM was only 1.4 seconds off fastest in Q1, and 2.7 seconds off the fastest in Q3 - there is not that big a difference between FAST and SLOW.
You can carbon copy another competitors racecar, if you don't know how to set it up then that doesn't do you too well. Also, you could be like Ferrari and have an amazing package, but setup is difficult or maybe the engineers are not as good at race setup as Mercedes and Red Bull.
I bet that if *Lastifi* could *pay to drive* in an Aston Martin, he would be even slower than with Wiliiams! 😋😅😇
Aston are the 6th quickest car. You can’t use the argument of Red Bull might not have the quickest car for one lap but are the quickest race car and the completely disregard Aston’s race pace. They have shown over the last 3 months they’re 6th quickest
Can you make a video about quali vs race? Because ofcourse redbull has the fastest race car but i honestly believe ferrari is quicker on saturdays. Where does that difference come from?
I love your videos, but in this one, I wish you'd explain a bit more. You say that fast cars need a good synergy between Tires, Suspension and Aero... but what does that mean? I don't understand, and I want to! Thanks
Its funny how 2 cars of the same design cover the fastest and slowest car on the grid
Honda the best automotive and why I buy them from Civics to now my Fit…..it goes fast for me😜
I honestly think the AMR22-A was better than AMR22-B. It's clear that the B version has less downforce and more drag and although it's very good in low speed and tyre managemen , i think it's been a net lose. Cause with the lack of downforce they can't put the car in good positions in qualifying and the races are all recovery drives. The reason they changed the car design was that they couldn't run the car as low as they needed to extract the maximum performance and they thought by changing the design , they could generate the same downforce by being able to run the lower plus having better tyre wear and low speed performance. But i think it's clear that the car has more drag and less downforce and because of the lack of downforce , the can't put as much energy on the tyres , so as a result they can't qualify high up the grid and in the races they need to rely on seb to do some godly tyre management like silverstone and spa and austria.
The second this dude says “when I was driving an f1 car” I’m clicking off
Nothing to do with breaching the cost cap 🤐
Ridiculous number of ads! So many that it takes away from enjoyment of the video.☹
Aston Martin or should we say Lawrence Stroll is the best example why money can't always buy you pace. You need to build up a team that is capable of constantly adapting and improving the car and does understand every aspects of the car. Toto, Schumacher and Lauda build this Mercedes. Horner, Newey, Marko build this under Mateschitz.
Especially RedBull Honda showed this. McLaren and Alonso constantly picked on Honda for not delivering, while Honda has asked for better conditions for the engine. They never could solve the problem and went separate ways. Horner told Honda they can go nuts with the engine as long as it stays reasonable and RB can fit the car around the engine and provide it with cooling, fuel ... etc. Boom Honda delivered arguably the best engine in the field.
You also saw this at Ferrari when Arrivabene went they dropped a bit and when Covid and reconstructing the team under Binotto hit they fall apart for their standards. And with strategy they still have not recovered fully. Mercedes also lost some engineers Michael Schumacher brought in from his time at Ferrari because they retired. And they also dropped significantly.
If you are allowed to go nuts with engineering on a car the team that can come up with the best ideas and execute them without error consistently will win the championship. If you have gremlins in your team it's like driving with a broken wing. Coming back to Aston Martin, if they had build a great team under Otmar Szafnauer instead of micromanaging people under Stroll they would have a much better car and a Vettel driving up there in the points would have stayed more likely. ^^ with Vettel and Alonso Aston Martin could fight for the title. No hate against Lance Stroll he can drive, but not to the extend of Vettel or Alonso.