It really works! I‘m so impressed! My Missouri Foxtrotter was very much attached to his girlfriend, an Icelandic horse. They lived together ever since I got him over 6 years ago. Unfortunately she got very sick and we couldn’t take her out on trail anymore. My Foxtrotter got very buddy sour without her outside and it was no fun riding him. Even going out for a walk was pretty exhausting. Sadly my mare passed away shortly before X-mas and so my Foxtrotter and I had to deal with each other in a new way since he had no fun anymore in anything we did together. I tried your head down training and it worked. Then I went outside with him and let him grase. We got very relaxed pretty far (like twice the length of your driveway) until her put up his head and got tense. So we turned around and he went all the way home very, very calm and even soft. No more pulling and weaning. It was great! Thank you so much for your great help! If you ever make it to Germany, please let me know! My and my horse would love to meet you in person!
I BOUGHT A 2 YR. WHO WAS LIKE THIS. I COULDN'T START HIM MYSELF AT THE TIME SO HAD THE BREEDER GOT HIM GOING. SHE WORKED HIM SO MUCH HE WAS SOUR. . I USED THIS METHOD BACK IN THE 90s AND IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. SO GLAD YOU DID THIS EXCELLENT VIDEO ABOUT A KIND AND GENTLER WHY TO PARTNER WITH YOUR HORSE. "ENJOY". WHAT A LOVELY WHY TO PUT IT. FIRST HORSE AT 12 YRS NOW 73 NOW AND STILL LEARNING. KEEP UP THE GREAT TRAINING.YOUNG LADY. Susan
I REALLY like that you emphasize helping them relax in order to gain confidence. I never have liked the idea of working a horse hard at the barn to deter barn-sour behavior, so I’ve never done that. Sure, this method takes time and patience, but those are so vital to anything we do with horses!
Thank you! I moved my horse to a new place only a few days ago and she is buddy sour for the first time in her life now so I was taken by surprise and not sure how to help her through it. She didn't have issues leaving other horses prior to the move but after only one day with her new buddy she was SO attached I could barely lead her 50 feet away, it doesn't help that the other horse also immediately paces the fence and screams as soon as we walk away. There was a lot of pressure on me from other people at the barn to "show her whos boss" and "teach her some respect" but I've never wanted to beat on my horse for any reason, least of all anxiety. Your video showed that there IS a better way.
I really like the methods you used to help this horse overcome her issue with being Buddy sour. I watched day 1 and day 2 but where is day 4. Thanks for making these videos!
Great video! I like that you used a horse who was actually buddy sour. For those who aren't impressed with just grass, I've put "treasures" in 4-5 buckets spaced 40ft or so apart .... a carrot in the first bucket, piece of apple in the second, and third, then a handful of grain towards the end. Same principle - you're making it a positive experience and going slow.
I started a comment earlier, don't know where it went. Sorry if it's a duplicate. This is so nice to see put into practice. It really demonstrates what Craig Cameron or Ken McNabb would say, "ride the horse you have today", or "meet the horse where he is." I see so many people want the horse to do exactly as they want at all costs. "Show him who's the boss," they say. It's so good to see people getting away from that mentality and really working with the horse as they are in that moment and getting the desired results. Great video!
This is how i trained my horses, it works. Great video ,Ivy. I don't train gaited horses but i still watch your videos, no matter how long i have been training horses,i am always learning. Thanks.
Started this training today for my barn sour Arabian who gets nervous/sweaty on the trail and jigs home. It was a short ride to the driveway but she didn’t sweat and was able to walk home. Hoping for positive results as we gradually increase distance!
Karen from NJ , here, hello My Arab gets buddy sour easily if I don’t have him on a steady schedule- thank you for this video- he gets so anxious being in the back and scared of being left behind he shakes his head bucks - it’s not fun - I’m applying this method this week ! I find this way is a good training method ! I refer to your video when I need a refresher ! So Thank You! I recently turned my bestie on to your channel she just bought a beautiful Rocky Mountain horse and she is enjoying your channel as well❤
Thank you so much for making this video! I have searched endlessly to find a video of a horse doing what mine does and how to fix it. You’re the only person I’ve found with a video like this. You’ve helped me and my horse tremendously! Finally a solution other than the one rein stop or working them when you get home and how to actually handle the racing home.
Great video. I was just watching Clint Andersons and this was next. Always willing to take advice from multiple people. Same principle here as what I was doing. Funny thing is I came here for my grey gelding "Baron Royal Fox" and I see you're mare is a grey as well. He is very buddy sour. I just got him yesterday integrated him this morning for about 6 hours I'm the pasture with my stallion and other geldings. Took him out up my drive way that is about a mile and half long. Half way up he started rearing and spinning as well as throwing his head around and I could tell it was him being buddy sour.. thanks for the video.
I love your methods. Learning a lot. I'm just learning to ride. Don't have my own horse but am learning on a Paso Fino. I do talk to him when I ride and can tell by his ears that he's listening. He also loves my hands moving over him after brushing before and after riding. He falls asleep! Been watching your videos and appreciate the positive reinforcement training. It's the same with dogs. Thanks for doing these.
Just found ur videos on gaited and buddy sour horses and I've learned a lot already. Will definitely try these training techniques to help. Will surely check out more of ur training techniques as I work with my horse.
I ride a girlfriends 17 year old horse who is very sweet several times a week...He does try to rush back to the barn but as you said, I distract him to a degree and will have him go in a circle. The other thing I do is don't go in a straight line to the barn..This took a little while to do because he just wanted pick up speed on the driveway to the barn. I have been taking him up a small hill, past a round pen, past a few outdoor small pastures in a round about way to the barn...He did not want to do this the first time. Now he does exactly what I direct him to do and when we do go to the barn, he is real calm, head down and it is a slow approach...I like your technique as well. I just wanted to let you know what has worked for me. Great video though.
I ride my horse on the race track by my barn. There is a little pathway that leads back to the barn and he will try to swerve to the side and dump me so he can go back to his buddy and the barn. Even going down the side walking away from the pathway he'll be squirrelly and try to get back to the pathway. I used to be able to gallop around the track but down its hard to canter without being worried he will dump me
Thanks for this lovely advice, I like the way you are staying cool and calm while the horse is bringing itself more and more up. Also I like how you treat him rather than doing the ‚work here, relax there‘ thing in a punishment way.
Thank you! I've been helping my friend with a barn sour buddy sour gelding who is actually gonna be my first horse. I've been keeping his nose away from the barn and turning him around in circles when he tries to go back a few extra tips is helpful!!❤ I'm learning along the way
This video is VERY timely for me & my horse. Last riding session, my husband's horse was acting up so didn't go on a short trail near the arena we were at. While we ride away, his horse whinnying a lot. When we came back and out of the woods, my horse started to hop, spin & just act up. I took him into a circle just to stay on. We were about 400' from his buddy. He tried to race back so a friend lead him back for me. It was so stressful and I felt like we have gone backwards on that day of training. Cannot wait to try this (in NW Kentucky, and we have snow now)....
This is very helpful! I would like to bring my TWH to your TN clinic next Autumn. She has been trained extensively in the past but I'm not coordinated enough to achieve relaxation.
We got a new horse from a trader and it seemed great and relaxed there. At home he was very tense the first time we tried to ride. Only rode a few minutes and after a few weeks of ground work enlisted a young trainer-to-be. She did great with ground work, but when she rode the next week in our rope arena, within 10 minutes, he bolted FAST, jumped out of the arena (we didn’t know he could jump), and went to the barn entrance (his new friend was in there) and stood. Trainer was injured. She got on and he tried again. I stood in front of him to keep him from jumping again, but he twisted and turned and she fell off again. My husband and I will watch this together. We’ll be doing a lot of ground work before anyone gets on him again. This horse is very well behaved while doing ground work but acts this way under saddle. We’ve used two different saddles so I don’t think fitting is the problem. He seems very athletic so I don’t think it’s back issues either. He’s sweet as can be on the ground.
I'm so sorry that all happened. You may want to assume that he has basically no training under saddle. When you ride him, do it in a place he is very happy, like next to his buddies.
@@IvyS thank you. Sounds like a good idea for getting started. A lot of ground work will come before anyone gets on again. Ultimately would like to be able to ride him alone on our “back 40.”
Ok. That's what I thought. Take em out farther every time. That's how I am doing it with our youngest gelding. Our mare has only been ridden 1 time in her 8 years of life so this will help with training her as well. Good video thank you!
Hi. I have a 19 year old mare that is barn/stall sour. She hates being out in her paddock. Not attached to any horse. She has was fine her paddock for months. A new horse moved in, he is in a diagonal paddock, doesn’t do anything to her, but as soon as he neighs, She will run herself into a sweat trying to get out of her paddock & back to the barn. I can stay with her & it doesn’t matter. She will run into me. Her mind is just blown.
So if you don't have grass and are using treats, should you drop the treats, to get them to completely drop their head? Otherwise, the head down calmness doesn't seem like it engage?
omg thank you!!! I just got a mare and a yearling to train for a friend (To pay for the mare i am training the yearling) and the yearling is fine leaving the mare out of site but when i ride, my mare freaks out and i didn't know what to do because people told me to work them together and i am the only one who know about horses so i needed a way that didnt involve two people! The mare also came from a herd of 5 plus horses including her brothers so she always knew if one horse left there was still another
Do you find that when you let them eat while riding they start wanting to eat all the time every time you stop . We tried rewarding the horse like half way through the ride as a treat and after just one time of letting them eat a little they tried to stop and eat all the time. I like the idea of rewarding them but having them try to eat the whole ride was very annoying . I have some that are buddy sour and I would like to try this .
I moved my horse to the barn earlier this month. First time on trail he went halfway through the path that leads to the trail before noping out of it. Second time, he made it to the park and turned around and threw a fit after being at the park for 5 min. 3rd time he made through but, only because my friends ponied him for me. I attempted recently to try it on my own. He'd take 5 steps into the path before turning around and heading right back towards the barn. I tried circling him but, I was Starting to get nervous (had a bad accident in January.) I gave up and just did arena riding instead. I hope this helps
How would this look is its just ground work and your not on the horse? My horse will come to me and I can get him out the gate but then he eats the grass around and he will lock all 4 legs and not move. Ive tried walking him in a circle to keep him moving but then he will pull the same thing with me.. What am I doing wrong?
How do you apply this to being out at a trail, or camping trip or whatever and your horse gets super agitated when the other horses leave the area a little. Like if they are done getting tacked and the people get on and ride around the staging area a little. My mare loses her mind cause she thinks she's getting left behind. And on the trail, if any horse is getting ahead, she gets crazy--sometimes.
Great question. You can put out feed pans of food! Yes, it does take more work. Once your horse is doing well, you can put the buckets farther apart or leave some buckets empty. I'm going to do a video on this soon!
Hi Ivy, great video, thank you. I found it interesting that the horse sought out the higher plant. If that is willow, the bark contains a pain reliever. My horse used to seek out willow. I later learned that she had arthritis and she sought out something to relieve her discomfort. Might be something to consider if you are riding a horse down the lane and h/she consistently seeks out the willow.
Mine will ride about 1mile down the road and when we come to water he goes crazy and won't stop until we head back also he won't stop he will walk sideways and go backwards how can I fix that
I've recently taken up a client whose horses all have this issue. I am mostly concerned about one though. She is extremely hard in the mouth and we know nothing of her past. She's currently in a wire twist per owners choice, but it almost seems like that bit is too much sensitivity for turning but she has no brakes. I feel like Im running into a wall. Any suggestions? I'm happy to try anything with her. I've tried doing serpentines and circles, even have tried to encourage relaxing, but there seems so be no indication of some relaxation. Just always wanting to go and swing her butt around like she's running barrles. Thank you to whoever suggests anything
It is a training problem, not a bit problem! She has to learn "whoa" on the lunge or in hand, first. I had exactly the same problem when I bought my MFT, She was totally uncontrollable, bargy, bracy, rushing and didn't know how to walk. She had one speed; FAST. She had TWO of these horrible twisted things in her mouth that were jointed in the middle with a shank. Very hard mouth. The mare was very anxious under saddle. Is it any wonder? I worked with her and she is about 75% improved, except on occasion, when she gets over threshold or out of her comfort zone, at times when I don't even understand the reason, but this is what I have at the moment. I think the trauma resurfaces at times for no apparent reason. You just have to be patient, work on trust, so that the horse knows that you won't let anything hurt it and it feels safe with you. I don't know if the trauma ever goes away. Maybe the best to hope for is that it gets buried deep.
What type of bit did you use? Both of my mares do this but one is worse than the other. She acts pretty much the same as this one but when I kick and give her a cue she backs up and kicks up. They are both in a snaffle right now!
Wish I had watched this before now. My buddy sour mare blew up yesterday, and when I tried to just stand, that's when she started rearing and then broke away (we were just walking).
@@IvyS The outdoor is 30 feet from her barn. We've been out there so many times without any incident. I hadn't walked her for a week and a half because of crazy weather. It was so explosive and dangerous. She didn't care about grass or treats. She was just crazed. My hand is torn up from her fleeing while the lead was in my hand (it all happened so fast that I didn't even have a chance to consider just letting go). I cannot stress enough that she has always been extremely well mannered. This change is so extreme and sudden. 😔
My daughter has a mustang mare and we had her in the round pen riding, she was fine when the other horse's were around in the pasture so she could see them but when they left her and she couldn't see them she got really nervous and started drenching with sweat, I took her out to bring in the cattle and she got maybe 20 feet from the gate and started bucking and then a run away she headed rite for the other horse's that was just over the hill from the round pen. What would you suggest in a situation like this. Lee
Sounds like you need to do the stuff in this video. Start close where she is comfortable and slowly move away. If she shows distress, move into her comfort zone.
Good question. A lot of gaited horses are train to go, Go, GO!!! The rider no more than sits in the saddle and then they are off. Along with that, a lot of them are trained to go faster when they feel bit pressure, so rather than rein pressure meaning slow down and stop, the horses have been trained to go.
I bought a retired 4 year old racehorse. She was,fine the first 30 minutes riding then she bolted. She threw me off I cracked my ribs and busted,my knee up. Thats been 2,months ago. I havent ridden her after this. I'm scared. What can I do?
My mare has only become buddy sour over the past week because a horse she knew before has moved on. She used to hack out alone, now I can barely walk her out the field without a tantrum. Im hoping this works 🥰
I have a gaited horse named Deacon who is used for trail riding, he is bad barn sour and has a bad attitude. I’ve had him since I was a kid , everyone is telling me to sell him. But today I was riding out in the pasture, he did the spins, galloping towards the barn and I was hanging on for my dear life. He bucked trying to get me off, tried pulling back on the reins to get him to stop but he wasn’t going to. Once we got to halfway to the the barn, I pulled back again and he stopped. Afterwards I got to thinking about selling him.. I’m really attached to Deacon and I don’t want to sell. I’m not that busy, I only work two days a week at my job and the other time I ride whenever I can. Today was the first day it was sunny due to rain the past couple of days was the first day I rode.
Mine does the same thing. I tried to take him out on a ride with his buddy and as soon as I got 30 feet from the other horse he went into a frenzy bucking until he threw me off. I'm selling him now. Too much trouble for me.
I tried to take my mare for a ride down the road with my mom this weekend....my moms horse was relaxed and fine but mine....was a nervous wreck! I was afraid she'd get me run over because she was pitching a fit in the middle of the road with traffic having to stop for me. My mom doesn't like warming up or doing any ground work at all, she wants to hope on and ride off into the sunset...MY horses need some work before I can safely do that. After our failed ride I started walking my girl from the ground just past our driveway to where she gets anxious, let her get some "fast food" and came back to the barn.
This is EXACTLY what my gelding did the same day he met his new pasture mate. He’s been a little buddy sour before but NEVER like this I can’t even take him to the barn directly across from the pasture
The end was cut off but I’d love to know what the answer was, my mare in the field when she starts running or whinnying is when my gelding gets so anxious and feels chargy, before meeting her last week he was the coolest cucumber my 3 yr old son rode by himself and he was used for kids first lessons. I’m trying to figure out if I should put my mare in a stall before trying this
@@arianaguajardo3610 I didn't realize the end was cut off. I don't think there was much more. Start only a few feet away from the horse he is buddy sour with. Keep him under threshold.
@@IvyS I’m perplexed because there really haven’t been any changes (that I’m aware of) to his daily routine or our riding routine. We’ve done more work in the arena lately (which is right next to the barn) due to flooding on the trails, but he normally really looks forward to trail rides. Now, I can’t even get him to go down a small path which leads to the trailhead. It’s really very strange considering we have gone out on the trail alone many, many times with no issues.
I am doing this as well. One day it works, the next day, she gets so sour coming back, I have to get off to stay safe. Her anxiety is high high . I stand with her until she is relaxed. What do you think about hopping off and walking back
Hi Ivy, Thanks for your videos! Will this training work to reduce the horses anxiety when you leave her behind and take out her buddy? We have 2 horses and when I take my horse out of site of the mare she starts racing and I am concerned she may injure herself.......... seemed to help if she could hear his bear bell and see where he was . Our horses are 17 years old and we have had since 4 and 6 but the herd bound issue seems to be better and worse at times......eg worse after trailering together. Perhaps this lesson needs to be revisited if the horses have been together and time has lapsed since riding alone?
If you watch the whole video, I did talk about doing this exercise with horses that are super bonded and the pastured horse is calling for the other one. I would modify the lesson to make sure that neither horse got over threshhold before going farther away. One thing you can do is to provide feed the pastured horse loves and do the same kind of work, only going so far away that you stay under her threshold. You can do that along with giving him plenty of really good hay or a ration of grain and going a little ways away and then coming back and hanging out by her, etc. Make good things happen when you leave and don't go so far away that he gets upset.
Maybe its just me but eating while in the saddle is never a teaching strategy for me anyways standing and relaxing is one thing but different strokes for different folks
Wait a minute, I'm so distracted by the fact that your last name just got a whole lot easier to pronounce! 🤣 congrats!! OK I need to focus, my horses are sooo bad 🐎
I like your method but I would also add that from the very beginning of training on the ground the rider/handler has to have the connection with the horse. This connection has to be there for the horse to put its safety in you. Another point to emphasize is the rider HAS to have more confidence than the horse. They horse needs your confidence. DON'T GET MORE ANXIOUS/NERVOUS THAN THE HORSE. Also when riding make sure your saddle fits very well. A bad fitting saddle can cause exactly the same behavior. A lazy horse can also constantly take its mind away from you by just wanting not to ride. I don't necessarily believe in the eating thing when overcoming riding out from home alone. This can and most usually does cause a trying to eat habit that gets really old on trail. As I am typing this you mentioned that "the other horse is not talking which helps", that statement proves that letting th we horse eat is not needed. The horse left behind didn't talk and no one was on its back stopping to let it eat.
@@IvyShonestly I don’t think you would have gotten the same results in a perfect environment…this was perfect for this. lol just makes me nervous…actually found this video while looking for some different options and exercises for helping a new horse. It’s neat to see how different people do different things for different problems.
If you think that’s a Buddy sour horse, you haven’t met my horse. That horse was a pleasure to ride. You would no way get my horse that far down such a long driveway. My horse would of you you go maybe 50-100 feet and he will get tense, whinny back to his friends and he’s a side walker as well. Last time out I couldn’t get him more 50 Feet from the gate let alone down the driveway.
This is actually dangerous for an inexperienced rider. This mare is sensible, not all horses are and by giving that much rein, they could easily bolt. Horses know exactly if the rider is nervous and when they get off-center. I certainly wouldn’t recommend this method for anyone who doesn’t know horses well.
It really works! I‘m so impressed! My Missouri Foxtrotter was very much attached to his girlfriend, an Icelandic horse. They lived together ever since I got him over 6 years ago. Unfortunately she got very sick and we couldn’t take her out on trail anymore. My Foxtrotter got very buddy sour without her outside and it was no fun riding him. Even going out for a walk was pretty exhausting. Sadly my mare passed away shortly before X-mas and so my Foxtrotter and I had to deal with each other in a new way since he had no fun anymore in anything we did together. I tried your head down training and it worked. Then I went outside with him and let him grase. We got very relaxed pretty far (like twice the length of your driveway) until her put up his head and got tense. So we turned around and he went all the way home very, very calm and even soft. No more pulling and weaning. It was great! Thank you so much for your great help! If you ever make it to Germany, please let me know! My and my horse would love to meet you in person!
I BOUGHT A 2 YR. WHO WAS LIKE THIS. I COULDN'T START HIM MYSELF AT THE TIME SO HAD THE BREEDER GOT HIM GOING. SHE WORKED HIM SO MUCH HE WAS SOUR. . I USED THIS METHOD BACK IN THE 90s AND IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. SO GLAD YOU DID THIS EXCELLENT VIDEO ABOUT A KIND AND GENTLER WHY TO PARTNER WITH YOUR HORSE. "ENJOY". WHAT A LOVELY WHY TO PUT IT. FIRST HORSE AT 12 YRS NOW 73 NOW AND STILL LEARNING. KEEP UP THE GREAT TRAINING.YOUNG LADY. Susan
I love how the dog waits and keeps you company along the way.
I REALLY like that you emphasize helping them relax in order to gain confidence. I never have liked the idea of working a horse hard at the barn to deter barn-sour behavior, so I’ve never done that. Sure, this method takes time and patience, but those are so vital to anything we do with horses!
So true!
Thank you! I moved my horse to a new place only a few days ago and she is buddy sour for the first time in her life now so I was taken by surprise and not sure how to help her through it. She didn't have issues leaving other horses prior to the move but after only one day with her new buddy she was SO attached I could barely lead her 50 feet away, it doesn't help that the other horse also immediately paces the fence and screams as soon as we walk away. There was a lot of pressure on me from other people at the barn to "show her whos boss" and "teach her some respect" but I've never wanted to beat on my horse for any reason, least of all anxiety. Your video showed that there IS a better way.
I really like the methods you used to help this horse overcome her issue with being Buddy sour. I watched day 1 and day 2 but where is day 4. Thanks for making these videos!
Great video! I like that you used a horse who was actually buddy sour. For those who aren't impressed with just grass, I've put "treasures" in 4-5 buckets spaced 40ft or so apart .... a carrot in the first bucket, piece of apple in the second, and third, then a handful of grain towards the end. Same principle - you're making it a positive experience and going slow.
@@cottonwoodcreekfarm exactly the same!
I started a comment earlier, don't know where it went. Sorry if it's a duplicate. This is so nice to see put into practice. It really demonstrates what Craig Cameron or Ken McNabb would say, "ride the horse you have today", or "meet the horse where he is." I see so many people want the horse to do exactly as they want at all costs. "Show him who's the boss," they say. It's so good to see people getting away from that mentality and really working with the horse as they are in that moment and getting the desired results. Great video!
Thank you so much!!!!
This is how i trained my horses, it works. Great video ,Ivy. I don't train gaited horses but i still watch your videos, no matter how long
i have been training horses,i am always learning. Thanks.
Started this training today for my barn sour Arabian who gets nervous/sweaty on the trail and jigs home. It was a short ride to the driveway but she didn’t sweat and was able to walk home. Hoping for positive results as we gradually increase distance!
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Karen from NJ , here, hello My Arab gets buddy sour easily if I don’t have him on a steady schedule- thank you for this video- he gets so anxious being in the back and scared of being left behind he shakes his head bucks - it’s not fun - I’m applying this method this week ! I find this way is a good training method ! I refer to your video when I need a refresher ! So Thank You! I recently turned my bestie on to your channel she just bought a beautiful Rocky Mountain horse and she is enjoying your channel as well❤
Thank you so much, and good luck!!!
Thank you so much for making this video! I have searched endlessly to find a video of a horse doing what mine does and how to fix it. You’re the only person I’ve found with a video like this. You’ve helped me and my horse tremendously! Finally a solution other than the one rein stop or working them when you get home and how to actually handle the racing home.
You are so welcome! I'm so glad it helped!
Great video. I was just watching Clint Andersons and this was next. Always willing to take advice from multiple people. Same principle here as what I was doing. Funny thing is I came here for my grey gelding "Baron Royal Fox" and I see you're mare is a grey as well. He is very buddy sour. I just got him yesterday integrated him this morning for about 6 hours I'm the pasture with my stallion and other geldings. Took him out up my drive way that is about a mile and half long. Half way up he started rearing and spinning as well as throwing his head around and I could tell it was him being buddy sour.. thanks for the video.
I love your methods. Learning a lot. I'm just learning to ride. Don't have my own horse but am learning on a Paso Fino. I do talk to him when I ride and can tell by his ears that he's listening. He also loves my hands moving over him after brushing before and after riding. He falls asleep! Been watching your videos and appreciate the positive reinforcement training. It's the same with dogs. Thanks for doing these.
Just found ur videos on gaited and buddy sour horses and I've learned a lot already. Will definitely try these training techniques to help. Will surely check out more of ur training techniques as I work with my horse.
Gosh I found myself nervously watching this and waiting for the “explosion”! I think my horse has me trained!
I ride a girlfriends 17 year old horse who is very sweet several times a week...He does try to rush back to the barn but as you said, I distract him to a degree and will have him go in a circle. The other thing I do is don't go in a straight line to the barn..This took a little while to do because he just wanted pick up speed on the driveway to the barn. I have been taking him up a small hill, past a round pen, past a few outdoor small pastures in a round about way to the barn...He did not want to do this the first time. Now he does exactly what I direct him to do and when we do go to the barn, he is real calm, head down and it is a slow approach...I like your technique as well. I just wanted to let you know what has worked for me. Great video though.
I ride my horse on the race track by my barn. There is a little pathway that leads back to the barn and he will try to swerve to the side and dump me so he can go back to his buddy and the barn. Even going down the side walking away from the pathway he'll be squirrelly and try to get back to the pathway. I used to be able to gallop around the track but down its hard to canter without being worried he will dump me
Thanks for this lovely advice, I like the way you are staying cool and calm while the horse is bringing itself more and more up. Also I like how you treat him rather than doing the ‚work here, relax there‘ thing in a punishment way.
How would one go about doing this if there was no grass available? Snow here😬
Thank you! I've been helping my friend with a barn sour buddy sour gelding who is actually gonna be my first horse. I've been keeping his nose away from the barn and turning him around in circles when he tries to go back a few extra tips is helpful!!❤ I'm learning along the way
This video is VERY timely for me & my horse. Last riding session, my husband's horse was acting up so didn't go on a short trail near the arena we were at. While we ride away, his horse whinnying a lot. When we came back and out of the woods, my horse started to hop, spin & just act up. I took him into a circle just to stay on. We were about 400' from his buddy. He tried to race back so a friend lead him back for me. It was so stressful and I felt like we have gone backwards on that day of training. Cannot wait to try this (in NW Kentucky, and we have snow now)....
What if there is no grass to eat? I live in Arizona just dirt all around?
This is very helpful! I would like to bring my TWH to your TN clinic next Autumn. She has been trained extensively in the past but I'm not coordinated enough to achieve relaxation.
We got a new horse from a trader and it seemed great and relaxed there. At home he was very tense the first time we tried to ride. Only rode a few minutes and after a few weeks of ground work enlisted a young trainer-to-be. She did great with ground work, but when she rode the next week in our rope arena, within 10 minutes, he bolted FAST, jumped out of the arena (we didn’t know he could jump), and went to the barn entrance (his new friend was in there) and stood. Trainer was injured. She got on and he tried again. I stood in front of him to keep him from jumping again, but he twisted and turned and she fell off again.
My husband and I will watch this together. We’ll be doing a lot of ground work before anyone gets on him again.
This horse is very well behaved while doing ground work but acts this way under saddle. We’ve used two different saddles so I don’t think fitting is the problem. He seems very athletic so I don’t think it’s back issues either. He’s sweet as can be on the ground.
I'm so sorry that all happened. You may want to assume that he has basically no training under saddle. When you ride him, do it in a place he is very happy, like next to his buddies.
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@@IvyS thank you. Sounds like a good idea for getting started. A lot of ground work will come before anyone gets on again. Ultimately would like to be able to ride him alone on our “back 40.”
@@IvyS thanks. I’ll check them out!
Ok. That's what I thought. Take em out farther every time. That's how I am doing it with our youngest gelding. Our mare has only been ridden 1 time in her 8 years of life so this will help with training her as well. Good video thank you!
Hi. I have a 19 year old mare that is barn/stall sour. She hates being out in her paddock. Not attached to any horse. She has was fine her paddock for months. A new horse moved in, he is in a diagonal paddock, doesn’t do anything to her, but as soon as he neighs, She will run herself into a sweat trying to get out of her paddock & back to the barn. I can stay with her & it doesn’t matter. She will run into me. Her mind is just blown.
So if you don't have grass and are using treats, should you drop the treats, to get them to completely drop their head? Otherwise, the head down calmness doesn't seem like it engage?
I'll try it.
omg thank you!!! I just got a mare and a yearling to train for a friend (To pay for the mare i am training the yearling) and the yearling is fine leaving the mare out of site but when i ride, my mare freaks out and i didn't know what to do because people told me to work them together and i am the only one who know about horses so i needed a way that didnt involve two people! The mare also came from a herd of 5 plus horses including her brothers so she always knew if one horse left there was still another
Do you find that when you let them eat while riding they start wanting to eat all the time every time you stop . We tried rewarding the horse like half way through the ride as a treat and after just one time of letting them eat a little they tried to stop and eat all the time. I like the idea of rewarding them but having them try to eat the whole ride was very annoying . I have some that are buddy sour and I would like to try this .
Good question
My horse is buddy sour. If I turn away from trail riding with other , she starts doing all u said.
I moved my horse to the barn earlier this month. First time on trail he went halfway through the path that leads to the trail before noping out of it. Second time, he made it to the park and turned around and threw a fit after being at the park for 5 min. 3rd time he made through but, only because my friends ponied him for me. I attempted recently to try it on my own. He'd take 5 steps into the path before turning around and heading right back towards the barn. I tried circling him but, I was Starting to get nervous (had a bad accident in January.) I gave up and just did arena riding instead. I hope this helps
It sounds like you the tried to go too far and ignored his stress signs. I think you just have turned back before he wanted to.
I'm in the desert so there is no grass for them to eat. What do I do in that situation?
How would this look is its just ground work and your not on the horse? My horse will come to me and I can get him out the gate but then he eats the grass around and he will lock all 4 legs and not move. Ive tried walking him in a circle to keep him moving but then he will pull the same thing with me..
What am I doing wrong?
Why did the video get cut off abruptly?
I'm in Ft. Worth and have an 18yo TWH! I would love for you to train him!
I'm happy to do lessons, but I'm not taking horses in for training right now.
How do you apply this to being out at a trail, or camping trip or whatever and your horse gets super agitated when the other horses leave the area a little. Like if they are done getting tacked and the people get on and ride around the staging area a little. My mare loses her mind cause she thinks she's getting left behind. And on the trail, if any horse is getting ahead, she gets crazy--sometimes.
Great Video thank u
I live in Arizona... Where there is no grass! So what do you recommend as far as that goes? 🤷
Great question. You can put out feed pans of food! Yes, it does take more work. Once your horse is doing well, you can put the buckets farther apart or leave some buckets empty. I'm going to do a video on this soon!
My mare is great for about a 1/2 mile then starts jigging and jigs for the rest of the ride. How far out should I go to start this training?
What about a horse that rears when your almost out of the gate? (The ending of the property). Or they rear and turn around at the end of the road.
I think if they've escalated to rearing You've gone too far past their comfort zone. Maybe stop and give her a release just before she gets that upset
If you want to use clicker training how would /could you use it to help with this?
Hi Ivy, great video, thank you. I found it interesting that the horse sought out the higher plant. If that is willow, the bark contains a pain reliever. My horse used to seek out willow. I later learned that she had arthritis and she sought out something to relieve her discomfort. Might be something to consider if you are riding a horse down the lane and h/she consistently seeks out the willow.
Mine will ride about 1mile down the road and when we come to water he goes crazy and won't stop until we head back also he won't stop he will walk sideways and go backwards how can I fix that
That first ride was certainly aggravating.
We livin in az, unfortunately no grass
You can hand feed or place buckets with food out.
I've recently taken up a client whose horses all have this issue. I am mostly concerned about one though. She is extremely hard in the mouth and we know nothing of her past. She's currently in a wire twist per owners choice, but it almost seems like that bit is too much sensitivity for turning but she has no brakes. I feel like Im running into a wall. Any suggestions? I'm happy to try anything with her. I've tried doing serpentines and circles, even have tried to encourage relaxing, but there seems so be no indication of some relaxation. Just always wanting to go and swing her butt around like she's running barrles. Thank you to whoever suggests anything
It is a training problem, not a bit problem! She has to learn "whoa" on the lunge or in hand, first. I had exactly the same problem when I bought my MFT, She was totally uncontrollable, bargy, bracy, rushing and didn't know how to walk. She had one speed; FAST. She had TWO of these horrible twisted things in her mouth that were jointed in the middle with a shank. Very hard mouth. The mare was very anxious under saddle. Is it any wonder? I worked with her and she is about 75% improved, except on occasion, when she gets over threshold or out of her comfort zone, at times when I don't even understand the reason, but this is what I have at the moment. I think the trauma resurfaces at times for no apparent reason. You just have to be patient, work on trust, so that the horse knows that you won't let anything hurt it and it feels safe with you. I don't know if the trauma ever goes away. Maybe the best to hope for is that it gets buried deep.
Love this. I live in the desert, so I dont have any grass. Any ideas? Ty:)
Put out buckets of food every five feet or carry food with you.
Thank you:)
What type of bit did you use? Both of my mares do this but one is worse than the other. She acts pretty much the same as this one but when I kick and give her a cue she backs up and kicks up. They are both in a snaffle right now!
Dawn from Arizona, I don't have the grass to let him eat.
You can place a bunch of buckets of feed. Gradually, over time, don't put feed in every one.
Wish I had watched this before now. My buddy sour mare blew up yesterday, and when I tried to just stand, that's when she started rearing and then broke away (we were just walking).
Yeah, sounds like she went over threshold. I hope you are okay!
@@IvyS The outdoor is 30 feet from her barn. We've been out there so many times without any incident. I hadn't walked her for a week and a half because of crazy weather. It was so explosive and dangerous. She didn't care about grass or treats. She was just crazed. My hand is torn up from her fleeing while the lead was in my hand (it all happened so fast that I didn't even have a chance to consider just letting go). I cannot stress enough that she has always been extremely well mannered. This change is so extreme and sudden. 😔
My daughter has a mustang mare and we had her in the round pen riding, she was fine when the other horse's were around in the pasture so she could see them but when they left her and she couldn't see them she got really nervous and started drenching with sweat, I took her out to bring in the cattle and she got maybe 20 feet from the gate and started bucking and then a run away she headed rite for the other horse's that was just over the hill from the round pen. What would you suggest in a situation like this. Lee
Sounds like you need to do the stuff in this video. Start close where she is comfortable and slowly move away. If she shows distress, move into her comfort zone.
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What do you mean by horses being trained to go hot and they weren't trained to stop?
Good question. A lot of gaited horses are train to go, Go, GO!!! The rider no more than sits in the saddle and then they are off. Along with that, a lot of them are trained to go faster when they feel bit pressure, so rather than rein pressure meaning slow down and stop, the horses have been trained to go.
I totally relate to you on this! I have to do more of this daily. Is that a go pro on your helmut? Excellent view for learning.
Yes, smallest GoPro on my helmet, as low as I can get it. Thank you!
@@IvyS it's important to see their ears🥰
I bought a retired 4 year old racehorse. She was,fine the first 30 minutes riding then she bolted. She threw me off I cracked my ribs and busted,my knee up. Thats been 2,months ago. I havent ridden her after this. I'm scared. What can I do?
This sounds like a major pain issue for this horse! You need to work with a very to evaluate her and a professional trainer so you don't get hurt.
My mare has only become buddy sour over the past week because a horse she knew before has moved on. She used to hack out alone, now I can barely walk her out the field without a tantrum.
Im hoping this works 🥰
I have a gaited horse named Deacon who is used for trail riding, he is bad barn sour and has a bad attitude. I’ve had him since I was a kid , everyone is telling me to sell him. But today I was riding out in the pasture, he did the spins, galloping towards the barn and I was hanging on for my dear life. He bucked trying to get me off, tried pulling back on the reins to get him to stop but he wasn’t going to. Once we got to halfway to the the barn, I pulled back again and he stopped. Afterwards I got to thinking about selling him.. I’m really attached to Deacon and I don’t want to sell. I’m not that busy, I only work two days a week at my job and the other time I ride whenever I can. Today was the first day it was sunny due to rain the past couple of days was the first day I rode.
My horse will plant his feet, will not move whatsoever, what should I do for that?
If you want to give more detail, I'll try to help.
@@IvyS whenever we're out on a trail my horse will just stop, some people call it napping, he'll refuse to walk forward, he's very herd bound
Mine does the same thing. I tried to take him out on a ride with his buddy and as soon as I got 30 feet from the other horse he went into a frenzy bucking until he threw me off. I'm selling him now. Too much trouble for me.
I tried to take my mare for a ride down the road with my mom this weekend....my moms horse was relaxed and fine but mine....was a nervous wreck! I was afraid she'd get me run over because she was pitching a fit in the middle of the road with traffic having to stop for me. My mom doesn't like warming up or doing any ground work at all, she wants to hope on and ride off into the sunset...MY horses need some work before I can safely do that. After our failed ride I started walking my girl from the ground just past our driveway to where she gets anxious, let her get some "fast food" and came back to the barn.
This is EXACTLY what my gelding did the same day he met his new pasture mate. He’s been a little buddy sour before but NEVER like this I can’t even take him to the barn directly across from the pasture
It’s been 6 days together and we work on it a little at a time but having him stand still has definitely been the worst
The end was cut off but I’d love to know what the answer was, my mare in the field when she starts running or whinnying is when my gelding gets so anxious and feels chargy, before meeting her last week he was the coolest cucumber my 3 yr old son rode by himself and he was used for kids first lessons. I’m trying to figure out if I should put my mare in a stall before trying this
@@arianaguajardo3610 what do you mean the end was cut off?
@@IvyS the end of the video you were answering a question about the someone has the other horse whinnying and that makes progress extremely difficult
@@arianaguajardo3610 I didn't realize the end was cut off. I don't think there was much more. Start only a few feet away from the horse he is buddy sour with. Keep him under threshold.
Hi, Ivy. Are there any reasons why a horse might suddenly become barn sour?
I would need more info.
@@IvyS I’m perplexed because there really haven’t been any changes (that I’m aware of) to his daily routine or our riding routine. We’ve done more work in the arena lately (which is right next to the barn) due to flooding on the trails, but he normally really looks forward to trail rides. Now, I can’t even get him to go down a small path which leads to the trailhead. It’s really very strange considering we have gone out on the trail alone many, many times with no issues.
I am doing this as well. One day it works, the next day, she gets so sour coming back, I have to get off to stay safe. Her anxiety is high high . I stand with her until she is relaxed. What do you think about hopping off and walking back
So on the way out she is very, very calm? Can you get head down on the way out? Head dish before you leave?
Hi Ivy,
Thanks for your videos! Will this training work to reduce the horses anxiety when you leave her behind and take out her buddy? We have 2 horses and when I take my horse out of site of the mare she starts racing and I am concerned she may injure herself.......... seemed to help if she could hear his bear bell and see where he was . Our horses are 17 years old and we have had since 4 and 6 but the herd bound issue seems to be
better and worse at times......eg worse after trailering together. Perhaps this lesson needs to be revisited if the horses have been together and time has lapsed since riding alone?
If you watch the whole video, I did talk about doing this exercise with horses that are super bonded and the pastured horse is calling for the other one.
I would modify the lesson to make sure that neither horse got over threshhold before going farther away.
One thing you can do is to provide feed the pastured horse loves and do the same kind of work, only going so far away that you stay under her threshold. You can do that along with giving him plenty of really good hay or a ration of grain and going a little ways away and then coming back and hanging out by her, etc.
Make good things happen when you leave and don't go so far away that he gets upset.
What type of bridle do you have on her?
What do you mean when you say bridle? It's just a simple leather bridle.
This goes against the whole don’t let them eat when riding but allows the horse to enjoy the outing until she can handle more.
my horse does that snatching of inedible's when he's nervous...
Why not the one-rein stop ?
When do you think I should have used it? A one rein stop only works when a horse has been trained to it.
Maybe its just me but eating while in the saddle is never a teaching strategy for me anyways standing and relaxing is one thing but different strokes for different folks
Of course, no one has to do it. I regular use standing she relaxing for horses to think, but getting a bite to eat is VERY rewarding to a horse.
What if there is no grass?
I'd bring food and feed lots of food. Either dropping on the ground.
Wait a minute, I'm so distracted by the fact that your last name just got a whole lot easier to pronounce! 🤣 congrats!! OK I need to focus, my horses are sooo bad 🐎
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I like your method but I would also add that from the very beginning of training on the ground the rider/handler has to have the connection with the horse. This connection has to be there for the horse to put its safety in you. Another point to emphasize is the rider HAS to have more confidence than the horse. They horse needs your confidence. DON'T GET MORE ANXIOUS/NERVOUS THAN THE HORSE. Also when riding make sure your saddle fits very well. A bad fitting saddle can cause exactly the same behavior. A lazy horse can also constantly take its mind away from you by just wanting not to ride. I don't necessarily believe in the eating thing when overcoming riding out from home alone. This can and most usually does cause a trying to eat habit that gets really old on trail. As I am typing this you mentioned that "the other horse is not talking which helps", that statement proves that letting th we horse eat is not needed. The horse left behind didn't talk and no one was on its back stopping to let it eat.
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at least she is walking. Mine becomes an oak tree.
Yes but eating under the bit is not recommended
Not quite sure what you mean...
Love this video…but it makes me so nervous that your riding an emotional horse that close to tpost
@@jaredlee9525 if only we lived in a perfect world. :( I wish.
@@IvyShonestly I don’t think you would have gotten the same results in a perfect environment…this was perfect for this. lol just makes me nervous…actually found this video while looking for some different options and exercises for helping a new horse. It’s neat to see how different people do different things for different problems.
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I thought horses can’t eat grass with a bit in there mouth
They absolutely can. :)
If you think that’s a Buddy sour horse, you haven’t met my horse. That horse was a pleasure to ride. You would no way get my horse that far down such a long driveway. My horse would of you you go maybe 50-100 feet and he will get tense, whinny back to his friends and he’s a side walker as well. Last time out I couldn’t get him more 50
Feet from the gate let alone down the driveway.
I talk about that in the video. For a horse like that, I would start right by the horse's buddies.
Why aren't you a fan of join up?
I'm not Ivy,, but for me, I see no trust established.
@17:30 ish... I know that face 😅
This is actually dangerous for an inexperienced rider. This mare is sensible, not all horses are and by giving that much rein, they could easily bolt. Horses know exactly if the rider is nervous and when they get off-center. I certainly wouldn’t recommend this method for anyone who doesn’t know horses well.
What I recommend is that you don't let the horse get this nervous. That was my error, but as you see in the next days, the horse stays calm.