Sure, the skylight shot had me sliding the camera past the window frame, so in post I put that clip above the end of the chair one, and used a mask to ‘delete’ the area on the right of the window frame. I used key frames to animate the mask so it follows the window frame, it then appears to swipe the next shot in 👍🏻
Do you or have you thought about making a full course on this subject. I'm looking to get into real estate filming and photography, I have pretty much what your explaining except I also have a dji pocket Osmo and a hand made boom for it. Would love to see a course in depth.. not that this isn't.. this is a very good video, thanks
@@sonoferin54 Thanks Martin, it's certainly something I'm thinking of but honestly not sure if and when I'd get round to it. Appreciate your comment though, thank you! I've never used the Osmo but I saw the UA-camr 'Mark Art Now' made a brilliant video with it, might be worth looking up :)
Thanks Myles that was a very thorough video. It's nice to see how you've stuck with the same camera and learned how to use it inside and out. I'm trying to pluck up the courage to 'upgrade' my D750 after 5 years of use.
Thanks Mark! I’d be lying if I said I didn’t get itchy feet but the GH5 is still very capable, especially when you consider the 10 bit modes :) I’d only upgrade for a significant improvement that I think could make a difference to my bottom line 👍🏻
Can you share your Ronin D settings on the latest app ? There are a lot of variations but with the older app Pan & Tilt Follow ? Follow Speed Deadpan Sensitivity Push Mode Would really appreciate it Thanks for the video
Great video, Myles! Been doing property photography for a long time now but never ventured into video work. Looking into it now and this was eally useful. Cheers!
Thank you for your tips, I recently purchased the LAOWA 11mm 4.5F aspherical lens for shooting real estate videos. I know how to correct photographs, but am unsure your editing process in Adobe Premier to correct any distortions or crop in. Do you have any instructional videos you can link me to that you have done? Your work is wonderful, thank you!
Thanks Jason! I actually don’t know how to correct for distortion on Adobe, I know there’s a way on Resolve but otherwise I’m afraid I’m not sure... apologies, hope you get it sorted!
Thanks för great tutorial. What aperture do you use smd how do you set the focus for each take? Low aperture gives me better focus but to little light.. your shots looks do great!
Thanks! The Laowa 7.5nm is so wide that almost everything is in focus at f2.8 or so when focusing at infinity, so that tends to be what I do. I don’t trust the lens markings so that does involve checking focus with peaking and by punching in before rolling. Good luck!
I edit in final cut and use “optical flow” often to enable slowing down footage that’s 24p or 30p. It seems to work well but haven’t used it for real estate yet. I wonder if that’s an option for darker houses, to shoot in 24p or 30p to allow for a slower shutter speed and gain a stop or two of light…
I think that’s a really good idea for real estate! The issues I’ve had with optical flow in the past were with human subjects and movement, but a simple push in to a dark room could be the best possible scenario for optical flow. Good idea, thanks for sharing!
I always love working with agents that know what they want as far as which details to spend time on. Some high end agents still don't know what's priority, so it's good to know these things yourself.
One of the best and most concise real-estate video tutorials - thank you! This is very helpful and look forward to your editing video along with follow up topics and videos. - Peter
Great video. A question that I can't seem to find the answer to is about Aperature. Barring situations whete rooms the are dark and may need the Apt opened to like 2.8 what should the Apt usually be? Clost to 8 like in real estate photography or is closer to 2 okay?
Thanks Zachary! There’s no one answer to that question I’m afraid! I think availability of light is the biggest factor to determine f stop, but if you can stop down when it’s bright then you can choose your aperture according to the depth of field you want. This will change between lenses and cameras, but wide lenses and smaller sensors give you deeper depth of fields at the same f stop. So on my GH5 using the Laowa 7.5mm my f stop could be 2.8 and I’d have everything in focus from something like a metre or two away from the sensor, which works fine for real estate. My advice would be to check your depth of field on your lens and camera using an online depth of field calculator, and play around with the f stops so you know how it impacts your depth of field and learn where the hyper focal distance is. On the shoot though you could just adjust aperture until you have the depth of field you want by looking at the viewfinder and confirming with focus peaking.
Thank you Myles for creating this video, I am an agent in Surrey and also a fairly good photographer - however creating property videos are a whole new thing to learn. Since the Covid lockdown I have more time to learn a new skill and have done a few property videos. I wished i had seen you guide first! Really really helpful - thank you! I use premier pro to edit my footage, it would great to see you editing guide if possible?
Thanks David! I would be demonstrating on Final Cut but the edit tutorial is on my list to do :) From your perspective what's the best way for a videographer to kick off a partnership with an agent? All the best in the lockdown!
Cheers! Absolutely, zooming in in post is a bit of a crutch I use if the shot feels boring, but in real estate (especially here) people are obsessed about making the space look as big as possible, so I wouldn’t zoom or crop if there’s a chance I make some important space seem smaller 👍🏻
Absolutely awesome - thanks for making this. I really need to work out what I'm doing wrong with colors.. either shooting or in post. Yours look so good!
@@jerrrrrrrrbear shooting: nail the white balance and exposure. That’s too much to cover in a UA-cam comment, but essentially I want the white balance set in camera manually to suit the scene, so white, greys and blacks look neutral with no warm or cool cast. Exposure should be good so that the room isn’t dark or overexposed. I try to protect my highlights unless it makes the room too dark, in which case I make the room look good because brightening anything in post is likely to introduce noise. Learn your waveform or histogram (whatever tool your camera has) to ensure your interiors aren’t too dark or too bright. I’d increase ISO as a last resort, i try to get good exposure using aperture, then shutter speed (I’ll lower to 1/50 for extremely slow 50P movement) and otherwise I’d raise the ISO. In post- set the exposure so that blacks are near the bottom of the waveform and the brightest parts of the scene go up to the top / 100 IRE. Adjust white balance by using a neutral colour in the room (you can use a mask to isolate that area so you only see that colour) and use a vector scope to judge whether your neutral colours are in the middle where they belong. Good luck!
Great video with lots of information. I'm just starting to learn real estate videography. I have been a still real estate photographer for many years. I was recently given a Lumix GH2. Do you feel this is a good camera for video work starting out? It has a 14-42 3.5 lens. I would love to see your processing video. Looking to buy one of your videos, can you tell me which is best for beginners?
Hi Sandy, honestly I never had the GH2 but I know from a bit of experience how noisy the GH4 is when either under-exposed or above ISO 800 or so. Also with that lens being relatively slow at f3.5 I honestly think you’d probably be disappointed with the footage as we’re inevitably filming darker corners of houses at some point :) That said, I probably pay attention to picture quality more than most, so ultimately it depends on the expectations of your clients, so before you decide to spend more maybe try and rent a faster lens about f2 and see what the footage is like. Thanks for your interest in my courses! I’ve got one for the GH5 but it won’t be totally relevant to the GH2 I don’t think, but it covers basics too on lenses and exposure etc if you want to try it out, and you could always get a refund in 30 days if you don’t like it :)
Thanks Myles, great vid, as a photographer of Real Estate and Architecture, I am constantly being asked to provide video as well. Certainly a lot of great tips to up my video game.
Thanks Luis! On the Laowa 7.5mm on the GH5 it’s really easy- because the lens is so wide the depth of field is deep (especially if stopped down to f2.8 or more), so if it’s at about infinity focus then almost everything will be sharp, especially because nothing is too close to the camera as it’s on a gimbal doing the wide shots of the rooms. That lens is fully manual so no AF! I only focus manually myself as AF isn’t great on the GH5 anyway :)
Hi Myles, thanks for this video. Really helpful. I have been asked to do a video for a property company and just wanted to do a quick edit of my own house to practice. My house is an old period place and so unless it’s beaming light it can be quite dark. I’m shooting on my gh5 and tokina 11-16 /2.8. Just wondered what f stop you film at to keep it all in focus on the gimbal. Ideally I need it at f4 and higher but this obviously darkens the footage. If I use it wide open the focus is too shallow. I would need to pump the ISO high to compensate on f4-5 but that gives too much noise. What would you recommend the best solution.Just about to buy your course. The v log log works great with a simple tweak and I then use a finishing lut. Cheers
The Laowa 7.5mm I used to use was so wide that the depth of field was big even at f2.8, so I didn’t worry about opening that wide and then everything but the close up stuff was in focus. Don’t forget if you’re careful with your motion you can slow down the shutter to 1/50 for 50P or 1/60 for 60P and get away with it for another stop of light. Good luck and thank you for the feedback!
thanks for the info, really helpful. an tips on rooms that are large and the lighting can change from bright to dark and you still want that sweeping motion as you pan the room and it goes from light to darker, thanks?
Thanks Chris, that sounds like a tough one, if you have lighting I would try and add fill as shown in the video here, otherwise you could consider where the sun is going in case the conditions improve later in the day, failing both of those you’re a bit stuck and I’d expose to keep the bright areas in range which will make the darker areas dark. In that case I wouldn’t dwell on the darkness in the edit.
Great insights Myles.. Super happy that you took the time out to create such a detailed video. I'd love to see your editing and how you manage such. Also, what advice would you give for someone who doesn't yet have a portfolio to present to new prospects?
Thanks a lot! Obviously if it were me I’d try and make it a priority to shoot at a suitable property if at all possible. Otherwise if you have any connections already with anyone in the industry, that’d be massive if they could give you some work or a chance to shoot. Without a portfolio I’d imagine it’s really tough (I think it is already a competitive market) but maybe if you were able to get in by doing some free or heavily discounted work that might be an option?
I would like to make more of a fluid walkthrough (To show the layout of the house) versus an artistic pieced together video. Do you know how I would handle this as far as exposure and white balance settings? I know they change from room to room so it seems like it would be difficult. TIA
Yes that would be difficult if you’re trying to do it without cuts. The only way I can see you doing it is with auto white balance, and maybe auto exposure so that it can adjust to every room. You could control exposure manually not of course but I imagine that’d be tough while you’re walking on a gimbal trying to get everything in one take. Some lenses will have a de-clicked aperture wheel to allow for smooth changes of exposure like that. I’d just test it out and make sure your camera has an auto mode that will adjust exposure smoothly without distracting jumps!
That depends on who you’re delivering the video for and where it’ll go... they might not want anything any wider than 16:9 if it’s going on social media as it’ll occupy less space on people’s timelines :) I stick to 16:9 unless asked otherwise, I suppose you could just crop your footage to that ratio though!
I so love that there was an axe under the bed 😂 I think I need a faster wide angle lens - my oly 9-18 is breaking - manual focus only and only works at 9mm - I’m torn between the laowa 7.5 or forking for the 10-25mm 1.7 ... hmmm!
Haha why wouldn’t there be an axe there? I’m an idiot! The Laowa is fully manual but it’s fairly easy to focus for real estate because the DOF is enormous 🙂 the 10-25 sounds like a beast though if you wouldn’t miss the 2.5mm length! Haven’t you also got an S1? If you have a speed booster of some kind have you thought about something that might work on both?
Brilliant video. I’ve been interested in getting into property videography for a while and have watched A LOT of videos on the topic, and this is by the far the best explained, most informative and helpful one I’ve come across...I’d be interested to know more about the business side things; how do you find your clients, how did you start, and what helped you get momentum? Just great stuff, thanks for making this and look forward to seeing more.
Thanks Charles! Like any business, your network is huge in getting opportunities, if you know someone who knows someone in the business, it’s going to help to get in with them. I personally would shoot the odd free project to build a portfolio and then you have to approach estate agents / realtors showing your value. It’s a competitive industry and honestly I don’t do much of it anymore. Good luck!
Yes, don't overlook tidying the room before filming. Homeowners can overlook this a lot and you spend time moving buckets of laundry or filming around around a mess in the kitchen. Good stuff! TFS!!
Nice axe! I feel like this may have just leveled up my music videos. Your shots are clean and smooth. Thanks for the video and ya, seeing the edit would be very cool.
Great video ! How do you manage with vignetting of Laowa? What aperture do you usualy use and how to set focus? ( I’m thinking about laowa and pana 7-14 to buy with G9 for realestate video)
If it bothers you, you can do a reverse vignette to brighten the edges, or a an exposure adjustment with an inverted circular mask so that it only attacks the corners. I usually have it about f2.8 where almost everything is in focus when set to infinity! Good luck
Thanks! I’m finding the joystick is getting me better results personally, but honestly it’s something I should dedicate more time to practising in case the handle does work better!
Thanks a lot! On the Laowa 7.5mm I’m at infinity (or very close to it), I check focus using the camera’s peaking before I roll. I have a monitor but I’ve managed to miss focus with it before so because of that reduced benefit I don’t often use it. If you’re on the Laowa 7.5, I recommend you check out a depth of field calculator online to play with how much depth of field you get from different f stops. The hyper focal distance is very convenient to know too once you get used to thinking about it :)
@@ShotByMyles thanks for the info! Also please keep the content coming. Love all the videos you put out. Be nice to see an editing video for the house walk through if you get chance at some point 👍🏻
Also, do you end up using ND filters or is there enough scope on the lens/camera to get the 180 degree shutter rule? Been eyeing up this lens for a while. Need an excuse to get it on top of my 8-18! 😂
Thanks Myles for the detailed Indoor Real Estate video, would love to see more of your work, when your on location, do you ever shoot in Auto ISO or do you typically set the ISO according to light in the room?
Thanks for the comment! I never personally use auto ISO, I dial in my exposure before every shot. Someone recently just asked how to do a walkthrough of a house in one take, so in that case Auto ISO might be an option but otherwise I want full control!
Great tips, super useful video, thanks! No mention of a good old tripod for stabilisation? Could be useful for exterior shots with surrounding movement or time lapses (for bigger budget work)?
Treats very true! Personally if I’m already using a gimbal I’d probably get my exterior with a push in or a tilt (or both) rather than switch up between the tripod and gimbal. But for timelapses and non-gimbal users you’re absolutely right, that’s a bit of an omission from me!
Hi Sonya, it completely depends on the camera I'm afraid! In general I would stick to 1600 and below if possible. Full frame cameras will do better beyond that, especially the Sony A7S 2 or 3 which go really high while getting clean results.
Myles, when you say that we can use GH5 stabilizer even on gimbal, which one are you using: Operation mode? E-stabilization? I.S. Lock ? Thanks in advance for the settings of stabilizer menu.
Hi Luis, only ‘operation mode’ which is the IBIS 👍🏻 I never use e-stabilisation and IS Lock is only when you want a completely static shot like a tripod!
Awesome - pretty much everything I need to get started but what about focus - best to fix it or use auto? and if you are fixing focus, which part of the room to fix it on?
Thanks Peter, that depends on your lens and camera really... when I was on the GH5 which has terrible AF and gives a deeper depth of field, I stopped my 7.5mm lens to about f2.8, set it to infinity and then almost everything was in focus. Even on a full frame camera with a very wide lens, you don't have to stop down too far to get a very deep depth of field that would get the whole room in focus, but if your camera has very good AF, I would be tempted to use it with a large central focus area. Whatever you do, check focus while shooting (or just before if shooting manually) ideally using focus peaking if your camera has it. Good luck!
Thanks! The depth of field is very deep on this lens and camera (7.5mm on GH5) so if it’s at f2.8 or so and set to infinity focus, almost everything is in focus :)
Great film, thanks. Do you always shoot with the lights on? I shoot my stills without lights, as per the high end magazines, but i'm guessing lights more of a necessity due to light levels for film. Thanks
Hi Mike, if you mean my video lighting, I rarely use lights and I think most people that do real estate video for a career are mainly doing fast turnaround videos and don't light their properties. If you mean the house lights I don't have a rule, I'd go with whatever looks best on the day which will depend a lot on the light and the space itself of course. You do have to be careful in video of lights flickering, which can happen with cheap LEDs or old buildings, especially when shooting in slow motion.
@@ShotByMyles ok thanks, just doing a bit of prep now before a shoot on an empty barn conversion later today. No i didn't mean extra lights, I just mean the lights in the property, obviously the more light sources you have the more colour temperatures you have to work with, so guessing like with stills this can be a nightmare in post pro. And like you say, we are working fit and have rapid turnaround times, so I was thinking no lights on, but in your video there seemed to be quite a few on.
Thank you so much for this great video! I am very new to videography. I recently bought a Ronin SC and Sony A6400 with the included 16-50 lens. I've been getting very frustrated by not being able to get those smooth, drone-like shots that I see on UA-cam. But in this video I found answers to many of the questions that I've had. Thank you very much again!
really interesting but you mentioned how you try not to walk but you do some shots that seem like you walk into a room at the beginning - do you walk with the gimbal too?
Fantastic video, well put together and some great artistry. I’d like to learn more about how and where to focus on for different shots, especially detailed shots like shower heads etc. Two thumbs up Myles. Mike from Canada
Thanks Mike! Good question, I think for me the ‘why’ to shoot details comes down to how important they are to the story of the house and if they help sell it. For example, some pretty flowers might be nice and visually pleasing but a close up of them might not be justified unless they’re conveying a specific feature or ethos of the house. Nice fixtures like showers might be worth showing if it enhances the feeling of quality and craftsmanship that buyers can expect throughout the house. In the example in this video, the house is designed to be eco-friendly so there are close ups of the technology. As for ‘how’ to do that, you can do whatever makes the most sense out of the gimbal or handheld shots I show in this video. All the best Mike!
You my friend are awesome! Thank you for this video, I need it a north and this is just what I need it, got some ideas off it and great tips too. Looking forward to more content from you. Thank you for making this video.
very informative video. I'm wondering can I do theses type of shots by using only a video tripod plus a camera slider, or even hand held. I'm on a budget right now and cant buy a gimbal.
Thanks! Yes some people do each shot with a slider only and it can work I think. Ensuring there’s some foreground will show that the camera is actually moving
Thank you! Wait editing tutorial! How you white balance when windows is 5600 and house bulbs is 3200? Are you try to turn off 3200K lights? What is the best way?
Thanks Ivan! Personally with mixed light like that where the indoor lights are really warm, I would try with the lights off and hopefully you can get good exposure still. If the room’s then too dark, you could use your own lights / shoot 25P at 1/25 / increase ISO,, or do what I do most of the time which is find a balance between the tungsten and the daylight so that the window light isn’t too blue and the room isn’t too orange. I know that’s vague but hope it helps!
Hi, I really appreciate your video. Its been very useful, however I'm a little confused with regards to FPS used at hd 1080 which is then slowed down further on the final video. How would you do this?
Thanks Bobby! I can’t remember exactly my point, but basically I either shoot 4K 50P (that’s 2 times slow motion for me on a 25P timeline) or I shoot FHD 100P when I want even more slow motion / smoothness. If your camera has a slow and fast mode, (or VFR on Panasonic) then the slow motion footage is already slowed down in camera, so in those cases you wouldn’t change the frame rate in post unless you wanted to speed it up to regular speed. Hope that makes sense!
Thank you for the great suggestions! I bought the camera and lens you recommended except for the 42.5mm, do you think I can get away without having this lens in my bag?
Yes absolutely! Especially if you’re just shooting real estate, I don’t use that lens at all for real estate, apologies if that wasn’t clear between the video / description!
Hi Myles, great video, I too shoot with the GH5 and really struggle in the low light with grain. Do you shoot VFR or 59.94 frames, also what is the f stop you shoot at in these examples? Thanks for sharing, tons of great information! Cheers!
Do you use your custom natural settings or the default natural settings for your picture profile when doing real estate work? Also, have you considered the tokina 11-16 lens over Iaowa?
Hi Jamie, honestly for quick turnaround stuff I’d use regular Natural, and then maybe add a bit of contrast and saturation in post if something needs to pop more.
Forgot to mention, I don’t know much about the Tokina but it could be a good shout if you already own a Metabones / Viltrox focal reducer! I’d personally look for whichever is faster (and decent when shot wide open) and also if one controls distortion better than the other. I’m not actually sure which is better tbh as I’ve never tried the Tokina
I'd love to see how you edit real estate videos.
Great video, lots of information and explained very efficiently. I would love to see part 2 on post-editing the video?
Good stuff! Nice work! I would be interested in seeing your editing process.
Hi Myles, firstly great video! I was curious to know whether you could explain your transition from the chair to the window shot at 0:50-0:52?
Sure, the skylight shot had me sliding the camera past the window frame, so in post I put that clip above the end of the chair one, and used a mask to ‘delete’ the area on the right of the window frame. I used key frames to animate the mask so it follows the window frame, it then appears to swipe the next shot in 👍🏻
"I missed this axe" had me cracking 😂😂😂 GREAT video, Myles!! Really helpful!
Haha thanks a lot!
Yea noticed that after you mentioned it.. was cracking up.
Do you or have you thought about making a full course on this subject. I'm looking to get into real estate filming and photography, I have pretty much what your explaining except I also have a dji pocket Osmo and a hand made boom for it. Would love to see a course in depth.. not that this isn't.. this is a very good video, thanks
@@sonoferin54 Thanks Martin, it's certainly something I'm thinking of but honestly not sure if and when I'd get round to it. Appreciate your comment though, thank you!
I've never used the Osmo but I saw the UA-camr 'Mark Art Now' made a brilliant video with it, might be worth looking up :)
that's where I keep my axe
Best “shooting real estate video” by far. Thanks man. You prepped well for today’s shoot.
Thanks a lot!
Perfect man, I agree with everything you said, from the beginning to the end. Really pro and no bullshit.
Thanks Francisco!
Great Video!!! The one tip I have for beginners is also be careful of mirrors and reflections. Not a good look. lol
great tips! id also say get tight into corners of the rooms and get 3 walls in the frame for better wide shot!
Thanks for the comment and your suggestions, totally agree!
Very well curated. Thank you . A videographer who know his stuff. Enjoyed your moves. Thank you Myles
Thank you for the kind words!
Thanks Myles that was a very thorough video. It's nice to see how you've stuck with the same camera and learned how to use it inside and out. I'm trying to pluck up the courage to 'upgrade' my D750 after 5 years of use.
Thanks Mark! I’d be lying if I said I didn’t get itchy feet but the GH5 is still very capable, especially when you consider the 10 bit modes :) I’d only upgrade for a significant improvement that I think could make a difference to my bottom line 👍🏻
Can you share your Ronin D settings on the latest app ? There are a lot of variations but with the older app
Pan & Tilt Follow ?
Follow Speed
Deadpan
Sensitivity
Push Mode
Would really appreciate it
Thanks for the video
Great video, Myles! Been doing property photography for a long time now but never ventured into video work. Looking into it now and this was eally useful. Cheers!
Great to hear that Philip, good luck with it!
Thank you for your tips, I recently purchased the LAOWA 11mm 4.5F aspherical lens for shooting real estate videos. I know how to correct photographs, but am unsure your editing process in Adobe Premier to correct any distortions or crop in. Do you have any instructional videos you can link me to that you have done? Your work is wonderful, thank you!
Thanks Jason! I actually don’t know how to correct for distortion on Adobe, I know there’s a way on Resolve but otherwise I’m afraid I’m not sure... apologies, hope you get it sorted!
Thanks för great tutorial. What aperture do you use smd how do you set the focus for each take? Low aperture gives me better focus but to little light.. your shots looks do great!
Thanks! The Laowa 7.5nm is so wide that almost everything is in focus at f2.8 or so when focusing at infinity, so that tends to be what I do.
I don’t trust the lens markings so that does involve checking focus with peaking and by punching in before rolling. Good luck!
Great video Myles. Thanks!
Much appreciated!
I edit in final cut and use “optical flow” often to enable slowing down footage that’s 24p or 30p. It seems to work well but haven’t used it for real estate yet. I wonder if that’s an option for darker houses, to shoot in 24p or 30p to allow for a slower shutter speed and gain a stop or two of light…
I think that’s a really good idea for real estate!
The issues I’ve had with optical flow in the past were with human subjects and movement, but a simple push in to a dark room could be the best possible scenario for optical flow.
Good idea, thanks for sharing!
I always love working with agents that know what they want as far as which details to spend time on. Some high end agents still don't know what's priority, so it's good to know these things yourself.
Absolutely! Just having a good eye for what's valuable for buyers and what the selling points of the property are will help a lot
Super helpful Myles. I knew there would be only video I would need to watch on this subject....and I kind of like the axe vibe!
Thank you Craig! I think I might need to get on this axe train too :D
One of the best and most concise real-estate video tutorials - thank you! This is very helpful and look forward to your editing video along with follow up topics and videos. - Peter
Thank you Peter!
Great video. A question that I can't seem to find the answer to is about Aperature. Barring situations whete rooms the are dark and may need the Apt opened to like 2.8 what should the Apt usually be? Clost to 8 like in real estate photography or is closer to 2 okay?
Thanks Zachary! There’s no one answer to that question I’m afraid! I think availability of light is the biggest factor to determine f stop, but if you can stop down when it’s bright then you can choose your aperture according to the depth of field you want.
This will change between lenses and cameras, but wide lenses and smaller sensors give you deeper depth of fields at the same f stop. So on my GH5 using the Laowa 7.5mm my f stop could be 2.8 and I’d have everything in focus from something like a metre or two away from the sensor, which works fine for real estate.
My advice would be to check your depth of field on your lens and camera using an online depth of field calculator, and play around with the f stops so you know how it impacts your depth of field and learn where the hyper focal distance is.
On the shoot though you could just adjust aperture until you have the depth of field you want by looking at the viewfinder and confirming with focus peaking.
Thank you Myles for creating this video, I am an agent in Surrey and also a fairly good photographer - however creating property videos are a whole new thing to learn. Since the Covid lockdown I have more time to learn a new skill and have done a few property videos. I wished i had seen you guide first! Really really helpful - thank you! I use premier pro to edit my footage, it would great to see you editing guide if possible?
Thanks David!
I would be demonstrating on Final Cut but the edit tutorial is on my list to do :)
From your perspective what's the best way for a videographer to kick off a partnership with an agent?
All the best in the lockdown!
These are great dude , are you adding zoom in post while you do some of your reveal shots to create parallax ?
Cheers! Absolutely, zooming in in post is a bit of a crutch I use if the shot feels boring, but in real estate (especially here) people are obsessed about making the space look as big as possible, so I wouldn’t zoom or crop if there’s a chance I make some important space seem smaller 👍🏻
Such a great and really detailed guide. Im gonna re-watch this video many many times for All the tips. Just wow! 👏
This was really helpful, thanks. Would be great the see the editing process, do use a 25fps timeline with the 50f footage?
Not sure how I missed this, but yes! Sorry that’s late!
I really enjoyed this video. Gave me a lot of ideas about different types of b-roll shots. Thank you!
Great to hear that, thank you!
I would really love to see a “how I edit” video!!
Would love to see the editing video!
Great info. Thanks. I’d enjoy seeing your editing process, quick and dirty start to finish.
Thanks! It’ll be my next video I think, just swamped with work :(
@@ShotByMyles That’s a good problem to have! Thanks for sharing your insights.
Absolutely awesome - thanks for making this. I really need to work out what I'm doing wrong with colors.. either shooting or in post. Yours look so good!
I’ll message you on FB!
@@ShotByMyles possible to give a few pointers in reply to this message? Appreciate your work!
@@jerrrrrrrrbear shooting: nail the white balance and exposure. That’s too much to cover in a UA-cam comment, but essentially I want the white balance set in camera manually to suit the scene, so white, greys and blacks look neutral with no warm or cool cast.
Exposure should be good so that the room isn’t dark or overexposed. I try to protect my highlights unless it makes the room too dark, in which case I make the room look good because brightening anything in post is likely to introduce noise.
Learn your waveform or histogram (whatever tool your camera has) to ensure your interiors aren’t too dark or too bright. I’d increase ISO as a last resort, i try to get good exposure using aperture, then shutter speed (I’ll lower to 1/50 for extremely slow 50P movement) and otherwise I’d raise the ISO.
In post- set the exposure so that blacks are near the bottom of the waveform and the brightest parts of the scene go up to the top / 100 IRE. Adjust white balance by using a neutral colour in the room (you can use a mask to isolate that area so you only see that colour) and use a vector scope to judge whether your neutral colours are in the middle where they belong.
Good luck!
Oh snap! Hey man this is exactly what I was looking for thank you so much the level of detail is exactly what I want.
Awesome, glad to hear it!
Great video, thank you! Would love to see how you edit these
Great video with lots of information. I'm just starting to learn real estate videography. I have been a still real estate photographer for many years. I was recently given a Lumix GH2. Do you feel this is a good camera for video work starting out? It has a 14-42 3.5 lens. I would love to see your processing video. Looking to buy one of your videos, can you tell me which is best for beginners?
Hi Sandy, honestly I never had the GH2 but I know from a bit of experience how noisy the GH4 is when either under-exposed or above ISO 800 or so.
Also with that lens being relatively slow at f3.5 I honestly think you’d probably be disappointed with the footage as we’re inevitably filming darker corners of houses at some point :)
That said, I probably pay attention to picture quality more than most, so ultimately it depends on the expectations of your clients, so before you decide to spend more maybe try and rent a faster lens about f2 and see what the footage is like.
Thanks for your interest in my courses! I’ve got one for the GH5 but it won’t be totally relevant to the GH2 I don’t think, but it covers basics too on lenses and exposure etc if you want to try it out, and you could always get a refund in 30 days if you don’t like it :)
tight review... thanks!... looking forward to the editing follow on
A rare example of tips from someone with excellent results to back it up!
Really appreciate those kind words, cheers!
Thanks Myles, great vid, as a photographer of Real Estate and Architecture, I am constantly being asked to provide video as well. Certainly a lot of great tips to up my video game.
Great to hear that Mark, appreciate it!
Thank you! I’ve been researching real estate videography for weeks, and your video had everything I was looking for!
Best summary and quick tutorial I've ever seen! concise and insghtful. Please, could you comment on how you do focus?
Thanks Luis! On the Laowa 7.5mm on the GH5 it’s really easy- because the lens is so wide the depth of field is deep (especially if stopped down to f2.8 or more), so if it’s at about infinity focus then almost everything will be sharp, especially because nothing is too close to the camera as it’s on a gimbal doing the wide shots of the rooms. That lens is fully manual so no AF!
I only focus manually myself as AF isn’t great on the GH5 anyway :)
Hi Myles, thanks for this video. Really helpful. I have been asked to do a video for a property company and just wanted to do a quick edit of my own house to practice. My house is an old period place and so unless it’s beaming light it can be quite dark. I’m shooting on my gh5 and tokina 11-16 /2.8. Just wondered what f stop you film at to keep it all in focus on the gimbal. Ideally I need it at f4 and higher but this obviously darkens the footage. If I use it wide open the focus is too shallow. I would need to pump the ISO high to compensate on f4-5 but that gives too much noise. What would you recommend the best solution.Just about to buy your course. The v log log works great with a simple tweak and I then use a finishing lut. Cheers
The Laowa 7.5mm I used to use was so wide that the depth of field was big even at f2.8, so I didn’t worry about opening that wide and then everything but the close up stuff was in focus.
Don’t forget if you’re careful with your motion you can slow down the shutter to 1/50 for 50P or 1/60 for 60P and get away with it for another stop of light.
Good luck and thank you for the feedback!
I’ve watched so many videos and this is finally the one I need! Thanks friend. Liked! Subscribed!
Glad to hear that, appreciate it Kristen!
thanks for the info, really helpful. an tips on rooms that are large and the lighting can change from bright to dark and you still want that sweeping motion as you pan the room and it goes from light to darker, thanks?
Thanks Chris, that sounds like a tough one, if you have lighting I would try and add fill as shown in the video here, otherwise you could consider where the sun is going in case the conditions improve later in the day, failing both of those you’re a bit stuck and I’d expose to keep the bright areas in range which will make the darker areas dark. In that case I wouldn’t dwell on the darkness in the edit.
Got my first real estate gig tomorrow and this really helped ease my mind. Thanks a lot.
Christopher Mosley good luck!
How did it go? Any tips?
Great insights Myles.. Super happy that you took the time out to create such a detailed video.
I'd love to see your editing and how you manage such.
Also, what advice would you give for someone who doesn't yet have a portfolio to present to new prospects?
Thanks a lot!
Obviously if it were me I’d try and make it a priority to shoot at a suitable property if at all possible. Otherwise if you have any connections already with anyone in the industry, that’d be massive if they could give you some work or a chance to shoot.
Without a portfolio I’d imagine it’s really tough (I think it is already a competitive market) but maybe if you were able to get in by doing some free or heavily discounted work that might be an option?
I thoroughly enjoyed this video. It was very comprehensive and straight forward. Thank you so much!
Thank you!
I would like to make more of a fluid walkthrough (To show the layout of the house) versus an artistic pieced together video. Do you know how I would handle this as far as exposure and white balance settings? I know they change from room to room so it seems like it would be difficult. TIA
Yes that would be difficult if you’re trying to do it without cuts. The only way I can see you doing it is with auto white balance, and maybe auto exposure so that it can adjust to every room.
You could control exposure manually not of course but I imagine that’d be tough while you’re walking on a gimbal trying to get everything in one take. Some lenses will have a de-clicked aperture wheel to allow for smooth changes of exposure like that.
I’d just test it out and make sure your camera has an auto mode that will adjust exposure smoothly without distracting jumps!
Would LOVE a video/some advice on how best to ORGANIZE your shot list/files on your computer for editing in post using Final Cut Pro👍🏽
Will bear that in mind, thanks for the feedback!
Thanks. A lot of good info. Just looking into walk throughs with the covid issues on open house fears. did you make an editing video?
Thanks Kirt! Not yet but it’s on my list!
Thanks and just wondered if you would use the Sigma FP 's 22:9 setting here ? Laurie
That depends on who you’re delivering the video for and where it’ll go... they might not want anything any wider than 16:9 if it’s going on social media as it’ll occupy less space on people’s timelines :)
I stick to 16:9 unless asked otherwise, I suppose you could just crop your footage to that ratio though!
I so love that there was an axe under the bed 😂 I think I need a faster wide angle lens - my oly 9-18 is breaking - manual focus only and only works at 9mm - I’m torn between the laowa 7.5 or forking for the 10-25mm 1.7 ... hmmm!
Haha why wouldn’t there be an axe there? I’m an idiot!
The Laowa is fully manual but it’s fairly easy to focus for real estate because the DOF is enormous 🙂 the 10-25 sounds like a beast though if you wouldn’t miss the 2.5mm length!
Haven’t you also got an S1? If you have a speed booster of some kind have you thought about something that might work on both?
Brilliant video. I’ve been interested in getting into property videography for a while and have watched A LOT of videos on the topic, and this is by the far the best explained, most informative and helpful one I’ve come across...I’d be interested to know more about the business side things; how do you find your clients, how did you start, and what helped you get momentum? Just great stuff, thanks for making this and look forward to seeing more.
Thanks Charles! Like any business, your network is huge in getting opportunities, if you know someone who knows someone in the business, it’s going to help to get in with them.
I personally would shoot the odd free project to build a portfolio and then you have to approach estate agents / realtors showing your value. It’s a competitive industry and honestly I don’t do much of it anymore.
Good luck!
Amazing! Just purchased a gimbal after watching this. I would love to see the editing process!
is it okay to make shutter speed 360 d for better lowlight?
Excellent video Myles. Very concise, very clear and succinct. Nice shots too!
Much appreciated, thanks!
Awesome job, I found this video very useful, it should be a series of videos of this style that would help us a lot, thanks for the content.
Yes, don't overlook tidying the room before filming. Homeowners can overlook this a lot and you spend time moving buckets of laundry or filming around around a mess in the kitchen. Good stuff! TFS!!
Far too much time wasted doing that! Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Best video anywhere!!! Thank you. I would be very interested in the editing as well.
Can we have that note from your iPhone? That would be something to start with.
Thanks Miles, very helpful! Could you please do a video on how you edit a real estate video as well?
Nice axe! I feel like this may have just leveled up my music videos. Your shots are clean and smooth. Thanks for the video and ya, seeing the edit would be very cool.
Thanks a lot man! It’s my next video, it’s just difficult to get the time at the moment!
@@ShotByMyles No worries. Subbed and looking forward to it.
Great content with lots of valuable tips. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video ! How do you manage with vignetting of Laowa? What aperture do you usualy use and how to set focus? ( I’m thinking about laowa and pana 7-14 to buy with G9 for realestate video)
If it bothers you, you can do a reverse vignette to brighten the edges, or a an exposure adjustment with an inverted circular mask so that it only attacks the corners.
I usually have it about f2.8 where almost everything is in focus when set to infinity! Good luck
Amazing video! Thanks!! How to you do the pan on the gimbal while gliding, with the wrist/handle movement or with the joystick? Thanks!
Thanks! I’m finding the joystick is getting me better results personally, but honestly it’s something I should dedicate more time to practising in case the handle does work better!
@@ShotByMyles Awesome, thanks for your reply!
Very useful.
I would be highly interested to see how you edit.
Dive in and put one out there.
Great video thanks Myles! Do you just focus to infinity, or do you use AF? I see you aren't using a external monitor
Also interested in this.
Thanks a lot! On the Laowa 7.5mm I’m at infinity (or very close to it), I check focus using the camera’s peaking before I roll.
I have a monitor but I’ve managed to miss focus with it before so because of that reduced benefit I don’t often use it.
If you’re on the Laowa 7.5, I recommend you check out a depth of field calculator online to play with how much depth of field you get from different f stops. The hyper focal distance is very convenient to know too once you get used to thinking about it :)
@@ShotByMyles thanks for the info! Also please keep the content coming. Love all the videos you put out. Be nice to see an editing video for the house walk through if you get chance at some point 👍🏻
Also, do you end up using ND filters or is there enough scope on the lens/camera to get the 180 degree shutter rule? Been eyeing up this lens for a while. Need an excuse to get it on top of my 8-18! 😂
hey where could i see your work? great content by the way
Thanks Myles for the detailed Indoor Real Estate video, would love to see more of your work, when your on location, do you ever shoot in Auto ISO or do you typically set the ISO according to light in the room?
Thanks for the comment! I never personally use auto ISO, I dial in my exposure before every shot. Someone recently just asked how to do a walkthrough of a house in one take, so in that case Auto ISO might be an option but otherwise I want full control!
Great tips, super useful video, thanks! No mention of a good old tripod for stabilisation? Could be useful for exterior shots with surrounding movement or time lapses (for bigger budget work)?
Treats very true! Personally if I’m already using a gimbal I’d probably get my exterior with a push in or a tilt (or both) rather than switch up between the tripod and gimbal.
But for timelapses and non-gimbal users you’re absolutely right, that’s a bit of an omission from me!
please show how you edit your real estate videos!
i too love hot snakes and rocket from the crypt. Nice random find on UA-cam! great vid myles
Love to hear that! Thanks a lot 👊🏻
Hey question? So what is the Iso range to stick to when videoing a house? If I have a mirrorless then I may not wanna push it past what point?
Hi Sonya, it completely depends on the camera I'm afraid! In general I would stick to 1600 and below if possible. Full frame cameras will do better beyond that, especially the Sony A7S 2 or 3 which go really high while getting clean results.
Myles, when you say that we can use GH5 stabilizer even on gimbal, which one are you using: Operation mode? E-stabilization? I.S. Lock ? Thanks in advance for the settings of stabilizer menu.
Hi Luis, only ‘operation mode’ which is the IBIS 👍🏻 I never use e-stabilisation and IS Lock is only when you want a completely static shot like a tripod!
Really really useful. Thanks
If you have not already done it, I would love to see you editing process please.
It’s on my list to do for sure!
Thank you for your time! Great insight! The video on your edit work flow would be awesome, and appreciated.
thank you for your time, definitely I wanna see the edit video next. Tku man
Excellent advice... no matter your camera setup... After the shoot what software do you use to edit? This is a wonderful presentation!
Thank you René! I use Final Cut Pro 👍🏻
Awesome - pretty much everything I need to get started but what about focus - best to fix it or use auto? and if you are fixing focus, which part of the room to fix it on?
Thanks Peter, that depends on your lens and camera really... when I was on the GH5 which has terrible AF and gives a deeper depth of field, I stopped my 7.5mm lens to about f2.8, set it to infinity and then almost everything was in focus.
Even on a full frame camera with a very wide lens, you don't have to stop down too far to get a very deep depth of field that would get the whole room in focus, but if your camera has very good AF, I would be tempted to use it with a large central focus area.
Whatever you do, check focus while shooting (or just before if shooting manually) ideally using focus peaking if your camera has it.
Good luck!
Great Video!! But i have one big question. How do you keep the rooms in focus while dolly in with manual focus lens?
Thanks
Thanks! The depth of field is very deep on this lens and camera (7.5mm on GH5) so if it’s at f2.8 or so and set to infinity focus, almost everything is in focus :)
I’d really love to know more about infinity focus. Are you able to achieve that in a small space because of the lens focal length?
Great film, thanks. Do you always shoot with the lights on? I shoot my stills without lights, as per the high end magazines, but i'm guessing lights more of a necessity due to light levels for film. Thanks
Hi Mike, if you mean my video lighting, I rarely use lights and I think most people that do real estate video for a career are mainly doing fast turnaround videos and don't light their properties.
If you mean the house lights I don't have a rule, I'd go with whatever looks best on the day which will depend a lot on the light and the space itself of course. You do have to be careful in video of lights flickering, which can happen with cheap LEDs or old buildings, especially when shooting in slow motion.
@@ShotByMyles ok thanks, just doing a bit of prep now before a shoot on an empty barn conversion later today. No i didn't mean extra lights, I just mean the lights in the property, obviously the more light sources you have the more colour temperatures you have to work with, so guessing like with stills this can be a nightmare in post pro. And like you say, we are working fit and have rapid turnaround times, so I was thinking no lights on, but in your video there seemed to be quite a few on.
Thank you so much for this great video! I am very new to videography. I recently bought a Ronin SC and Sony A6400 with the included 16-50 lens. I've been getting very frustrated by not being able to get those smooth, drone-like shots that I see on UA-cam. But in this video I found answers to many of the questions that I've had. Thank you very much again!
really interesting but you mentioned how you try not to walk but you do some shots that seem like you walk into a room at the beginning - do you walk with the gimbal too?
Hi Neil, sorry for any confusion, I walk with the gimbal, but if I’m going handheld that’s when I wouldn’t!
Fantastic video, well put together and some great artistry. I’d like to learn more about how and where to focus on for different shots, especially detailed shots like shower heads etc. Two thumbs up Myles. Mike from Canada
Thanks Mike!
Good question, I think for me the ‘why’ to shoot details comes down to how important they are to the story of the house and if they help sell it.
For example, some pretty flowers might be nice and visually pleasing but a close up of them might not be justified unless they’re conveying a specific feature or ethos of the house.
Nice fixtures like showers might be worth showing if it enhances the feeling of quality and craftsmanship that buyers can expect throughout the house.
In the example in this video, the house is designed to be eco-friendly so there are close ups of the technology.
As for ‘how’ to do that, you can do whatever makes the most sense out of the gimbal or handheld shots I show in this video.
All the best Mike!
You my friend are awesome! Thank you for this video, I need it a north and this is just what I need it, got some ideas off it and great tips too. Looking forward to more content from you. Thank you for making this video.
Thanks Abe!!
very informative video. I'm wondering can I do theses type of shots by using only a video tripod plus a camera slider, or even hand held. I'm on a budget right now and cant buy a gimbal.
Thanks! Yes some people do each shot with a slider only and it can work I think. Ensuring there’s some foreground will show that the camera is actually moving
one of the better videos on youtube. thanks.
Wow, thanks!
Thank you very much! I love your tips and I know that my video will be much better from now on!
Thank you! Wait editing tutorial! How you white balance when windows is 5600 and house bulbs is 3200? Are you try to turn off 3200K lights? What is the best way?
Thanks Ivan! Personally with mixed light like that where the indoor lights are really warm, I would try with the lights off and hopefully you can get good exposure still.
If the room’s then too dark, you could use your own lights / shoot 25P at 1/25 / increase ISO,, or do what I do most of the time which is find a balance between the tungsten and the daylight so that the window light isn’t too blue and the room isn’t too orange.
I know that’s vague but hope it helps!
Hi, I really appreciate your video. Its been very useful, however I'm a little confused with regards to FPS used at hd 1080 which is then slowed down further on the final video. How would you do this?
Thanks Bobby! I can’t remember exactly my point, but basically I either shoot 4K 50P (that’s 2 times slow motion for me on a 25P timeline) or I shoot FHD 100P when I want even more slow motion / smoothness.
If your camera has a slow and fast mode, (or VFR on Panasonic) then the slow motion footage is already slowed down in camera, so in those cases you wouldn’t change the frame rate in post unless you wanted to speed it up to regular speed.
Hope that makes sense!
great video again and yes please do a video on editing real estate videos.
Great video Myles.... Whats the song you use in the real estate video.????...
Thanks Steen! It’s from Artlist, Embers - Salt of the Sound :)
Great video! Would like to see the post like you suggested! Thanks
Thank you! It’s the next video I’ll make, it’s just taking me forever to get round to it :(
Very useful tips - I've photographed for years but now need to cover video too. Gimbal at the ready! Did you do the editing video??
Thank you! Not yet done the edit but it’s certainly on my radar :)
Thank you so much from Kyiv, Ukraine! I'm going to shoot different kinds of apartments, your advice really help
SIMPLY AMAZING TIPS THAT YOU CAN INSTANTLY USE!
Thank you for the great suggestions! I bought the camera and lens you recommended except for the 42.5mm, do you think I can get away without having this lens in my bag?
Yes absolutely! Especially if you’re just shooting real estate, I don’t use that lens at all for real estate, apologies if that wasn’t clear between the video / description!
Hi Myles, great video, I too shoot with the GH5 and really struggle in the low light with grain. Do you shoot VFR or 59.94 frames, also what is the f stop you shoot at in these examples? Thanks for sharing, tons of great information! Cheers!
I shot non-VFR 50P personally but if I was on an NTSC region it’d be 60P!
Most of the Laowa 7.5mm shots would’ve been about f2.8
@@ShotByMyles Thanks Myles! Your stuff looks super, I can't seem to get my GH5 to ever look that good.
What song was used in this? Love it !
The track I used in my example Real Estate video was Embers by Salt of the Sound, licensed through Artist.io :)
Thanks for sharing. Yours videos are amazing. I would love to see part two on video editing. Thanks in advance.
Thanks a lot! I’ve written the edit video, just need to shoot and edit when I get time!
Do you use your custom natural settings or the default natural settings for your picture profile when doing real estate work? Also, have you considered the tokina 11-16 lens over Iaowa?
Hi Jamie, honestly for quick turnaround stuff I’d use regular Natural, and then maybe add a bit of contrast and saturation in post if something needs to pop more.
Forgot to mention, I don’t know much about the Tokina but it could be a good shout if you already own a Metabones / Viltrox focal reducer!
I’d personally look for whichever is faster (and decent when shot wide open) and also if one controls distortion better than the other. I’m not actually sure which is better tbh as I’ve never tried the Tokina
so comprehensive and helpful! thank you!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks for sharing such great advice! I look forward to your editing workflow video.