The third, lost type of memory that might be the most important one
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Are our current school systems stifling learning that matters? Mary Helen Immordino-Yang, a professor of education, psychology, and neuroscience at the University of Southern California, says yes.
According to Immordino-Yang, our education system focuses too much on memorizing facts and procedures, neglecting autobiographical memory-the personal story we tell ourselves about who we are and what we stand for. This type of memory is crucial for growth, development, and well-being.
Immordino-Yang tested this theory with a 5-year study that analyzed how young people’s brains are affected by deep thinking and reflection. She found that when teens were exposed to real-life stories and were asked to respond critically to how they made them feel, it had significant positive impacts on identity development and brain structure.
Instead of teaching students to memorize and reiterate learned facts and figures, Immordino-Yang encourages us to focus on this type of “transcendent thinking,” as it can help young people give more context to their knowledge. By fostering this deeper level of understanding, we can better prepare students to navigate and contribute to the complex, constantly developing world we live in.
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I had this exact same conversation with one of my Uni lecturers years ago. This is the 1st time I’ve seen anyone share the same perspective! I’m please to see this type of thinking going global. 👏🏾
Of course, this is intuitively obvious, at least based on how she describes it
Dr. Immordino Yang was my professor in 2013. Fight On!
She does seem determined to communicate the findings of her study, which is very good, but I don't understand what you mean by "fight on". I'm intrigued by your enthusiasm, fight who and/or what exactly?
@@farresalkhaiyer7002 I earned my doctorate in Education Psychology from the University of Southern California’s Rossier School of Education, where she taught. The University’s motto is “Fight On!”
@@farresalkhaiyer7002fight on is USC'S slogan. That's where this person went/where Dr. Immordino Yang teaches at
“Dr. Immordino Yang” is a powerful name
You are lucky!!
If you study something bigger than yourself, something that reminds you to lift your gaze above the domestic, (for example astronomy; spiritualism; philosophy), your mental health and development will benefit no end.
I agree with this a lot. But I find it confusing to call this autobiographical memory. At least what I believe she refers to is something a lot more powerful than memory. It kind of feels like she says you should reinforce your identity, but to me the powerfull thing is actually the contrary, to not have an identity but to change your thinking. Feelings of empathy toward other people don't come from memory, they come from being able to put yourself in the shoes of others. Adopting new perspectives come a little bit from the power of being flexible, and to be flexible you need to define yourself loosely.
Maybe I am just splitting hairs IDK. It feels reductive thats all.
Maybe she means spiritual memory. Coming from something bigger than what we currently are. Remembering our divinity as we play the game of life on Earth🤷🏾♀️
@@laureanooliva7836 , Ithink that you are right. It is not about memory. Call it developement of a personality. And school cannot teach it. It is life itself that teaches. A most important role plays family as it is the exemple that children experience. School can only support the process when it supports pupils to acquire the world by themselves and not to become dependent from "authorities". School shall not indoctrinate but develope thinking. The ability to think autonomousely is impportant to become a personality.
If good and evil are transcendent values than it is not the task of school to teach this. School will always teach what they hold for good. But everybody has the task(a lifelong task) to find it out by himself.
@@holdinmuhl4959 I agree, how can you teach personality. And why would you tie personality with autobiographical stories. To me that is just a way to stop people from really being free to do what they want regardless of their story.
@@laureanooliva7836a🎉😂p
This is possibly the best, most significant, and most helpful research done in this field in recent memory. I've spent 20 years in mental health and resonate with every word of it... personally and professionally.
The experiment she described sounded pretty dumb.
@@kayakMike1000you sound like my 13 year old in your usage of the term dumb.
I'm trucking through my mid-50s, with a BPD diagnosis some 30+ years old... life is good, and has been for some time... As I got older, I came to realise that the story of my life, in my head (my autobiographical memory) is well messed up... I learnt to enjoy doing the dishes earlier this year. I used to have only ugly memories associated with such activity, and today, I now have good memories doing the dishes. It took me 50 years to get those memories, not least because I didn't know I particularly needed them... Now, I am in the process of developing good memories for a bunch of stuff I have an aversion to... It is a simple lesson I could have got much earlier in life.
I wasn't short on transcendent thinking, quite the opposite, I was short any good stuff to apply such thinking to, and so ended up with very negative ideation. For the last 20 years, I have been working at building good stories, at improving the story of myself, and it has made me a much happier chap.
Lastly, I have a "diminished sense of self"... which is a tricky one to unpack. I don't necessarily know if I am hungry or cold, I can make both sides of most arguments... my story of myself is the closest thing I have to a sense of self. It's important to me that it is a good story. How important this might be to other people, I can't be sure.
Once again I am thrust into the understanding that this would have all been good to have known about 5-10 years earlier
Better late than never
ok? cool
Transcendent thinking is something I’ve had from a young age and has helped me and lifted me up so many times. It made me aware of perspective and so much more. It is one of the reasons I became an agnostic atheist!
You are either an agnostic or an atheist, not both.
youre gonna have to explain that string agnostic athiest.
what like 49-51% on rather you think there is a higher being
I do coaching and I realized that we need to have critical thinking + the capacity to feel emotion + a strong vision of how we want things to be (vision) to be really excellent leaders. I saw that this was very difficult to develop in some cases, the key this video provided is "disposition". When people don't want to think they view critical thinking as a task to be done and in that way you stop looking at complex problems from different angles. We need to engage in problems in a curious way, do the research and implement solutions involving legal, ethical aspects, business and people's motivation, people that are uni dimensional in their thinking are the people that I see struggle the most during their work.
Teaching how to think rather than what to think. Sorely needed, indeed!
Calling it "the third form of memory" seems a little... far-fetched.... but....
This was a great video with good insight and interesting science.
The simplest solution is to bring the International Baccalaureate to every school, and push them to create a second Theory of Knowledge class for 8th graders. That shit slaps, straight up.
My semantic memory is insane and a sponge, to irritating levels. I've been called Wiki-(my name) by different people, for a reason. However, my autobiographical memory seems almost non existent. It might be due to cptss and ptss? Most of my childhood is a black hole, but I also have a very hard remembering anything from 10-5-1 years or even a few days ago. The further away the more its non-existent. I know this happens for everyone to some extend, but from experience with other people, I know it's kind of extreme.
On one hand I feel like I'm really missing something when I see other people reminiscing or watching old photos (something I never do). On the ohter hand I feel like I cannot really know what I'm missing.
My personality has also been through incredible and very big changes over the years. Changes so great, that even my therapist wasn't used to it. I wonder if these changes come easier for me because I don't have the baggage of old selves and the stories I used to tell myself. It also feels like I might have a bit more ease, in working through the consequences of all of my traumas, compared to most people. As I don't seem to have to work through the traumas themselves for the most part, and I'm able to more easily focus on the consequences of them. Like working through an anxiety disorder, fragile ego, abandonment issues etc. I used to be incredibly judgemental and had the habbit of talking people down, without me being really conscious about it, due to having low self worth. Nowadays I feel like I have a healthier ego and pretty stable self worth etc. Just by changing those things, a lot of my (often subconsciously influenced) behaviours seem to have changed with it. Now I'm able to really enjoy and bathe in the good feelings of seeing someone else in love, even when I'd be single myself, for example. Instead of feeling resentment, which used to be there before.
Seeing this video makes me think there might be more complex systems at work here. It could also be that these memories exist in my mind and inform me somehow, yet I cannot consciously retrieve or experience them 🤔. It might be weird when it comes to one's self, but I find all of this incredibly interesting 😅.
P. S. I often think I'd rather be more like other people when it comes to semantic memory vs autobiographical memory. Especially when it comes to social interactions, connections, feeling normal and really wonder how it feel to be able to truly reminisce. However if it meant I wouldn't have been able to grow and change so much, I'd never want it any different. For the first time ever I kind of like who I am, who I'm with, and where I'm at.
I feel the same way. But to me is obvious that having poor autobiographical memory is a feature not a bug.
I see my identity as something that flows so I am not tied to anything making it easier to pursue topics with curiosity and most of all humility. It's also a lot easier to see the big picture when you can approach a topic from different angles.
I understand that I do have patterns of thinking, but those patters I would never call them memory because those patterns are so much more than memory.
@@laureanooliva7836 even though I might not feel the same in everything you said (though most of it), I think I understand what you mean. Seeing the bigger picture can either be a blessing or a curse, depending on how you keep yourself towards it, I feel.
I could have added that I have adhd btw. Which, even though for me personally is quite a difficult handicap, feels like it could also help with making these connections and helps with easily seeing things from different perspectives. As does high intelligence in some cases. Do you "enjoy" either one of these things?
P. S. I enjoy your way of thinking and looking at it. I'm still learning things, which I believe inadvertently and hopefully leads to humility. Something I find myself not always having. The more I learn (about myself), the more I learn I have even more to learn 😂.
@@DeltaNovum I agree, seeing the big picture is always confusing. I am not really sold on the idea that truth is more important than happiness. So in that sense I agree with you, the big picture can be a blessing or a curse. Or should I say it's neither?
I do enjoy high intelligence, and tbh is hard remaining humble. It helps that because I am pretty open to expirence I put myself in situations where I am the dumb one. It also helps that I don't have low self esteem so it doesn't bother me. Yet I still dismiss other people logic pretty easily, I do try to sound smart on conversation many times(probably here too), and I am kind of a sophist.
Although I also try not to be falsely humble. If you are truly humble you probably shouldn't be perceived by others as humble, you should be perceived as fair.
Not well explored yet, but there seems to be a center around CPTSD, dissociation, aphantasia (poor mind's eye), and Severely Deficient Autobiographical Memory (SDAM). They're all flavors of here-but-not-here experiencing.
Well expletive it’s both nice and horrifying others know this feeling.
It seems like science is beginning to go the direction of the essence of spiritual practice and how crucial it really is for each person. Still a long ways to go though.
Curiosity.
Our "third memory" necessitates and encourages curiosity.
School breaks curiosity, systematically forces on a systematic rule to the mind.
A rule that breaks the very curiosity we ourselves need to create our identity in the first place.
At least school almost fully broke mine and I still search for where I am, not even who I am yet.
This is an introduction to a much needed master class on the working minds bubbling to the surface in, especially, these last several years.... This is EXACTLY what has become increasingly lacking in young and old alike.....we see increasingly superficial thinking, short-term and shallow, lacking EXACTLY what's described here as transcendental thinking...... whether by circumstance or by design (I'm inclined to think the latter), western society has seen transcendental thinking systematically removed (discouraged, omitted, stifled, etc)...I see this as a natural result of our centrally planned education systems, again either an incidental byproduct or a designed, intentional outcome.....consider everything downstream of what's discussed in this lesson as a part of the Rational materialist philosophy employed and utilized by collectivist frameworks..... actions speak louder than words, and results speak louder than actions....so, judging by the results, western civilization is intentionally bereft of everything discussed here. Brilliant discussion dovetailing with modern society....👍
To make a change such as a new way of learning in and for life (for example as in school) become real, we will need to move our heads up from the screens and check out the "horizon" or maybe just be with our beloved people and eventually we need to look into ourselves. After all, I hope that - even if we all wanted this change for our lives - it will be possible to achieve in a near future.
1:16 transition go hard
It's always good to watch this for a second time!
We appreciate you!
Okay but we first need to stop treating people like they choose to be poor
You're absolutely right.
That's life
@@AmbasingKam-dr6yu Acceptance of our exploitation is the reason why it doesn’t get better. All homo sapiens need to be treated as equal. No favoritism. What we have now is rugged individualism for the poor, and socialism for the rich. (ie. too big to fail, etc.) Wealth hoarding should be treated as what it is. A disease.
Some of us do!
No-one is forced to be poor in our merit society. They chose inaction, thus, they reap what they sow.
It feels that the cause and effect needs to be clarified by more studies. I wonder if transcendent thinking make the brain change differently, or people with brains of different changing paths have different ability of transcendent thinking by nature. Can transcendent thinking really be taught, or is it just wired in brain at the beginning.
We appreciate your insights. We look forward to see more.
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I couldn't really follow. I needed a single case example as she described the project. Like showing one of the kids and what questions they asked.
Talking about the project in general was fine but i also needed a specific example at the same time to follow along.
An example of transcendent thinking what you my come up with for yourself through trying to answer your own question you pose in this comment to which I reply while using what was given to you in the video. What do you want to know about this? Why do you want to know about it? Why do you think you had trouble following? And such questions.
Here is a concrete example: a peanut butter jelly sandwich is made by layering bread, jelly, peanut butter, and bread. Transcendent thinking is the thinking that one would do that involves wondering and figuring why one would want to eat a peanut butter jelly sandwich, how peanut butter jelly sandwiches could be used to help others, what one likes about a peanut butter jelly sandwich that could be used for making other meals, what one's liking about specific aspects of peanut butter jelly sandwiches might mean about oneself. And so on.
@@__Henry__ thanks for the answer. Transcendent thinking. That's what she was saying kids need to do more of. Ok. And that's kind of like critical thinking, and philosophical thinking, and thinking of the group. Ok.
Hard to have convos in comments but thx for answer
Interesting idea, and sounds plausible. Not sure I'm comfortable with it being categorized as "memory", but definitely sounds like an imprinted cerebral function.
Calling it memory seems dumb to me. She is explaining something more like patterns of thought, which to me are way different from memory.
@@laureanooliva7836no it’s not. Why do you choose to call it dumb because you don’t understand what she’s talking about? I think you maybe saying, I don’t understand her message?
@@mosijahi3096 That's correct I am saying that to me it "seems dumb" to call it memory because I don't understand why she is using memory to describe this concept. It seems to me that what she is talking about is something more complex and not related to memory that much. At least to the type of memory everyone is used to talking about. It seems a lot more related to behavioral patterns. But I understand that there must be something I am missing and that's why I said, "seems dumb to me" and not "is dumb". If you have a point about why she is calling it that, then please explain to me what I am missing.
@@laureanooliva7836 great question, I don’t feel confident to my self to answer your question, put here is the definition from APA (American Psychology Association).
I copied and paste this.
autobiographical memory
Updated on 11/15/2023
a person’s memory for episodes or experiences that occurred in their own life. Often the terms autobiographical memory and episodic memory are used interchangeably. However, autobiographical memory can consist of information stored in episodic memory (i.e., of events experienced at a particular time and place), semantic memory (i.e., of knowledge of general facts and concepts that give meaning to information), or a mix of the two. For example, the autobiographical memory of one’s first day at school might contain episodic information, such as meeting the teacher, but it might also contain semantic information, such as knowledge that the teacher’s name was Susan.
more broadly, memory for any information about the self, including not only personal experiences but also self-related factual knowledge, the self-schema, and so forth.
This is the best I can do without adding to the confusion, hopefully this helps✌🏿
Please make more videos about this.
The most immediate benefit of putting the learner dead center in the context of what they are learning is a reduction in the instance of suicide. "Future foreshortening" is the clumsy psychological term for a lack of autobiographical memory and is the single strongest predictor of suicide.
So it would seem the Jewish tradition of telling children 'the day you were born was the day God decided the world could not keep going without you, and therefore the world was created for you' holds wisdom and truth.
Imagination is a key part to this!
Could you clarify what you mean by transcendent thinking?
Something like moving beyond what is provided to oneself in a way that uses how one feels and that uses a sense of what one wants to see how that provided thing can be used for, for what that provided thing can be used (for whatever (ideally some sort of "good")). Independent thinking, critical thinking, synthetic thinking are other ways to frame "transcendent thinking."
Well. Somehow being an adolescent that grew up during covid and this ongoing state of crisis that makes you feel small, powerless and inignificant suddenly feels even worse after watching this video😢
Awesome video! I do think we need a utopia like society and relieving people from mental health disorders, and cognitive disorders are key problems to solve in our society as soon as possible. Also mental health patients wouldn’t need to do ECT and more types of current treatments which aren’t good. Also if we can better understand consciousness that’d be a groundbreaking experience. Full Dive VR soon as well👌
Can transcendent thinking change the young adults forward if they are not exposed to this while they were children?
yes , your brain is capable of changing in every form with a lot of work
no , the amout of atp need for deep changes tends to infinite
the best way to explain it is a rpg , when you just star a game you get points and the game is easy you level up quicky , thats being a child for the brain , easy gameplay ( your social background deeply impact that ) so you get more points but if you spen them poorly or dont get any or make a build for agro just to defend , or a tank just to defend , when you keep playing the game changing to a mage or a archer will be harder , more if you dont know the type before hand . my point is yes , everyone can be anything use every spell and win every olympic game , but the amout of atp , our exp meter tends to infinite the older we get and no one haves infinite atp.
The Bahai Faith places a special importance on respecting and nurturing junior youth, recognising the spiritual potential within each individual and the need for a supportive community
Everything possesses the potential to become the most important to anyone at any time, not the least of which is One's hypothesis regarding conceptual imports and exports.
I really like this, I take all the memory I can get
“All truly human development means the joint development of individual autonomy, community participation and the feeling of belonging to the human species.” Edgar Morin
What are other similar studies that support this ?
What are studies which do not ?
Wnat are some policy changes this should inspire ?
As one of the many newly diagnosed ASD adults from the GenX crowd, I have very strong autobiographical memory. Like a computer memory system there is a resident memory always running, there is a direct access memory when someone ask me a question about my life, and then the is the random access memory that pops open when some random event in the here and now causes a long unused memory to become resident. I live by what I call Fundamental Principles based on lessons learned as I live.
Excellent presentation. Concise. Of greater moment than the title would suggest.
what children need is WAY more practice of the 2nd kind of memory, far less of the 1st kind, and a focus on using the structures of the second kind to predict other structures they havent learned of yet.
Intelligence is 90% proactive calculation and functional pattern recognition, and 10% memory to store the premises of a given argument.
So it that meaning we can re call better with association to ourselves and our indexing in the world we perceived
And by using stories to index that
I knew these facts when I was 15 because I studied read and thought all the Great Books library continued to read everything to think about everything constantly then expanded my learning through the internet.
@kp6215 what do you think is your purpose and please define what that means to you
was there a control group in that experiment?
Oh, this was BRILLIANT. Life changing!
This is the best compliment. Thank you for being here!
Yes, Thank you
Autobiographical memory as a third type of memory from the short- longterm memory dichotomy in pop culture is far fetched. There are already many more categories of memory to learn about
This is a fantastic little video I just found
Reflective thinking
Maybe I am missing something. Spending two hours with these young people, showing them 40 documentaries, asking them how they felt about the stories of some of the subjects of the documentaries, then scanning their brains while watching some clips of the same documentaries, and finally scanning them again after two years caused an increment of some part of the brain in such way that they could anticipate their progress in the community and their satisfaction in life?
I can’t connect cause and effect and the reason why. Can anyone explain?
Call me a cynic. It sounds like somebody needed to justify a grant or something to keep the money coming in for 5 years.
@@i-am-a-pseudo-intellectual I strongly doubt that that limited experience triggered s o e major change as “transcendent thinking” would require.
I discussed this with my dad in 1963 when I was 12 because he stated the child has formed the brain by 8.
I had a similar discussion with my father in the late 18th century. I was traumatised by his experience of the slave trade
Socio-economic status absolutely forms and shapes your current life and your future. Thank you for stating that
Memory thoughts and experiences from past lives and self talk (thoughts and experiences) how the self is integrated into society. The reference and knowledge base memory. That’s how I would describe it.
This is so awesome 😊
Everyone should watch this video once in their lifetime.
How kind! Thank you for being here!
FOR SCIENTIFIC ACCURACY PSYCHOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE MUST BE REPRESENTED as opinion.
I might like to read a brief sense of what you mean by "psychological perspective". Do you have one to share? (I build scientific perspective that finds value in the lacking of 'psychological perspective,' though outside of belief, know, that psychological perspective altogether should be discarded.)
I don't like the term "transcendent" thinking, as it implies thinking about the metaphysical and arcane, and it carries a sense of superiority above the ego and self-interest. I can see how we get the second lecture title ("Is transcendent thinking the key to success?"), as transcendent thinking is useful in a sequence of time (for future vision and consequence management). This transcendent thinking can be used at the same time we are using the other types of memory presented here. The autobiographical memory is mentioned to be exercised mostly "just before puberty and lasts all the way into the mid 20s", and then it is "The third, lost type of memory..." I suspect autobiographical memory is a vestigial cognitive tool for developing our foundational long-term memory, which we out-grow once we learn how to think with somatic and process memory, and with metacognitive exercises... I am concerned that this video suggests an alternative to outcome-based learning, with hope that children can abandon problem-solving thinking in favor of seeing their worth in terms of their relationship with their community. In that direction lies indolence and stagnation.
Unofficially, as I only have my own experiences to "diagnose", but I believe to have the "highly superior autobiographical memory", HSAM. I remember in vivid details nearly every event of my life, from the age of about 3. It's... difficult.
That sounds like PTSD.
isn't this on the autism spectrum?
PTSD does not include every memory. @@litterbox2010
It seems pretty difficult to me. I don't have that problem luckily. I struggle to believe that having a lot of autobiographical memory would be a good thing, I don't remember most of what happed to me in the past. And I always thought that it made me a more stable and happy person. I also do believe it makes it easier for me to see my identity as a flux and not fixed.
I don't think she's heard of that condition. She should use a different name so there is no confusion.
I hope you are getting help with your condition. You probably have one of the most amazing minds on the planet. Good luck
Amazing!!!!!! Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
Thank you for watching! You - and your positivity - are very much appreciated!
i think this got reuploaded. Really like the way this turned out now. way better thx
Another recent finding that resonates with the work of the late professor Feuerstein
I am confused, to me having Autobiographical memory is seems like a bad trait. I tend to believe that flexibility can only really be achieved if you are able to forget stuff. I don't believe that you should forget everything but some forgetting can be liberating. I don't like the idea of having too much of an identity, I believe it makes it tough to adapt. I think that shifting your essence is way more valuable that remembering who you are.
Is my memory deceiving me or was this uploaded a few weeks ago? I’ve definitely watched this already…
Yet anothed alternative education plan which has not been proven, since it hasn't had time to be disproved lets make it policy, and since teachers have no training in this we can reduce their pay. When you can barely teach reading and arithmetic what priority does this deserve. Teachers are stuck with many students who are not capable of transcendent thinking due to abuse or neglect. I guess this is what private schools are for.😢
You are describing what also sounds like the ego in away
I struggle with mathematics so much. Please you need to make a real video on how to properly study the subject given such information of how the mind grows and learns and ensure I won't forget anything. Or anyone can share tips with me if they're interested
Which branches of math do you struggle with? Arithmetic? Geometry? Algebra? Differential or Integral Calculus? Etc.
The textbook(s) you choose can make a big difference. I suggest browsing many textbooks to try to find the one or few that work best for you.
A lot of teachers are inadequate. If your teachers aren't helpful, don't rely on them. Besides good textbooks, perhaps you could get help from other students who have already figured out the concepts you're struggling with.
@@brothermine2292 currently I'm doing high school level trigonometry and beating me up. I'm in the 11th grade and just mathematics as a whole kills me. Geometry, Algebra. You name it I struggle with it.
>slantingclock9679 : I suggest you begin by finding time to work again on the earliest math you learned that you still have trouble with (some concepts in algebra?) because later math usually builds on earlier math.
If your school will let you postpone trigonometry until you're more prepared for it, that might be the best way to gain the time to work again on the earlier math.
If you relied on a calculator or computer to solve problems you couldn't solve without it, that didn't help you learn. Use a calculator or computer only to more quickly solve problems that you know how to solve without it (or in an emergency where the answer is more important than the understanding).
If your mind is blocked when trying to solve a problem, take a break, but don't give up. The solution might come to mind the following morning after your unconscious mind has had a chance to work on it while you slept, or days later, if you keep thinking about it. You can also learn from attempts that didn't succeed, by trying to figure out where they went off track or were incomplete or were based on an incorrect assumption. Each attempt is an exploration of the territory in the vicinity of the problem, and helps build your understanding of the territory as a whole.
Hopefully there are only a few concepts missing from your math background, so the time you invest acquiring them will pay off later by speeding up your future math work.
The whole project may sound daunting, but each piece of the project will likely be beneficial even if you don't find time to complete the whole project. I suggest you resolve to acquire the earliest missing concept (some part of algebra?) and then see how you feel after you've acquired it. That would be a good time to decide whether to acquire the next missing concept.
I'd like to see those documentaries about young people.
Strange of her to assume the schools are meant for mental growth of children into meaningful adults with good growth of their brains when school is actually meant to make children conform, decrease their out of the box thinking, obey superiors, follow shifts and do their assignments. Schools are meant to create future obedient workers, and people who are consumers. What good would it bring to the market economy if kids learn to think better or are usually better satisfied? Common people’s satisfaction, ability to make meaningful connections and being better individuals have nothing to benefit the bottom line, or stock prices, in fact quite the opposite! If people in general are more satisfied with their lives, then they are less likely to chase dopamine, chase bits and pieces of happiness by binge purchasing meaningless things in hopes of having more satisfaction, or binge watch whatever they are fed to keep at bay the issues they will have suppressed. These things like making children live more meaningfully does not help the greater cause of companies growth and better profits. And since governments are meant to protect the interests of corporations first and foremost, they should ensure that the school system remains that way.
Of course I am pissed at the school system, in any case anyone thinks this is unironic. Sad state of affairs it is.
nothing about a control group?
I think this is the most significant video I have ever seen on You Tube.
Consider watching it again later and writing (journaling) about what you think about it!
This is such a kind thing to say. Thank you for spending your time with us.
@@__Henry__ Love this idea!
Bravo!
I think about memory in terms of semantic, autobiographical and episodic
She talks about autobiographical memory and the ability to think about big issues and have ambitions etc are the same thing. As someone with SDAM I can tell you right now they are not remotely the same thing.
Yes this was what I was trying to say in other comments. I don't understand why you would need a big identity to be able to think big issues. To me it seems that the opposite would be better. The more loosely defined you are, the more you can shift your thinking to other points of view and making it easier to see the bigger picture. Why autobiographical memory has anything to do with it ?
@@laureanooliva7836 Chiming in here with my NAIVE OPINION. I agree, For many things, autobiographical memory seems to be unnecessary, though plausibly useful, for solving big issues. Something I saw as interesting in this video is that one's own valuation of things, which involves one's own subjectivity and subjective preferences, can be useful for crafting meaning for things in general, including for figuring and figuring out big issues. These parts of oneself/ves are just useful-further, perhaps SO useful that realizing the degree to which a full sense of identity is useful is worth talking about, including in contexts of institutional educative reformation/development/maturation. Having a Buddhism-informed perspective, I report that actively utilizing a large (including "loose") sense of self in creating sense of things can be remarkably, even literally quite, useful.
What you share is a scientifically useful perspective. Personally, and in some substantial degree of naivete, seems to me she throws together multiple "cognitive faculties" to paint a pretty picture that is not un-useful but that is not especially insightful in basic view of cognition or psychological faculty.
@@__Henry__ Don't sell yourself short. Your perspective isn't naive. I really hadn't thought about going another step back. It's true this patters are actually what make you pick your preferences and your preferences can be new patters. And this is a feedback loop. It's not only the patterns that emerge from who you are, is who you are that emerged from those patterns. That's interesting.
I find a lot of conflict though with the idea of people trying to develop autobiographical memory. It just seems to me that it could go in any direction, some people could find it useful but a lot I believe would enconter problems because of it.
I kind of think we should develop stories about our selfs, but this should be useful rather than true.
That's *not* what she actually said, though.
Definitely the most important type of memory!
Rudolph Steiner was on to something when he formulated his educational theories.
You can call it "transcendent" thinking to give it some kind of spiritual spin, but what's described here just seems like critical thinking and we absolutely do teach that in schools.
If they're teaching critical thinking in school please explain Q and maga? It would appear critical thinking is a rare commodity. 🤔
@@lyudmillawasright. Q and MAGA are a failure of critical thinking afaiac, so to explain them using critical thinking simply multiply by (-1). Still I am curious as to what the answer would be according to transcendent thinking. So can you explain Q and MAGA using Transcendent Thinking?
True re: critical thinking at least in that "transcendent thinking" involves critical thinking, but I think there is much lacking of critical thinking in schools where we leave out of critical thinking self-/independent valuation. The 'piece' critical thinking misses relative to the perhaps-arbitrary package of personality components Immordino-Yang throws together is subjective thinking and feelings/emotion/valuation. This is my sense from the video and my own thinking.
Spiritual practice involves 3 things basically: reflection (objective critical thinking about yourself and nature of reality to gain understanding), meditation (experiencing the self and true reality), and listening (to gain info and knowledge about the self). We may teach critical thinking in schools but in my experience it was rarely ever directed inwards toward myself. Most questions asked me to think about external problem in society or get my perspective on this or that or use my argumentative skill to prove my point. All those question were shallow and on a material world level. It never asked something deeper about me- like what do you assume you are? What do you believe is your root purpose in life and why? What is said in the video is just barely starting to make it here. But I'm telling you, all this stuff is ancient knowledge. Science has disregarded it both because it's difficult to prove when it's so personal but it's heading in the right direction.
@@lyudmillawasright.Anything a Democrat thinks isn't critical. It's sick.
So this is what “thinking about the Big Picture” is? I have had this since I was a kid, but I never really knew what it was. Like, I could make a conclusion that will look like I’m guessing on the outside, but, my brain recognized and gathered patterns to be able to come up with what I say. I can’t fit in, and sounds like I’m talking out of my behind when I say my assessments lol. And yes, the school system sucks so much, cuz I had questions teachers weren’t prepared to explain or answer. “Too young to know” :/
So how is autobiographical thinking related to transcendent thinking? And which one is not taught in schools?
The music is too loud and distracting
The third must be sth that you show off to yourself as if you're the 'others' self. Then it never stops learning, continuing into sth broad and broader endlessly.
this is fascinating
Very good
Is the main takeaway to dream big and act?
lots of fluff in this video.
Badass research + researcher. Edu rev now
This is the 'fake until you make it' memory
Dr peterson has a self-authoring program that addresses this
positive nihilism for the win !!
"The human mind grows and develops by engaging with deep, powerful ideas, and then working backward to inform the meaning that you're making."
not getting oppressive gods dictating arbitrary rules. but instead being in community and seeing the big pictures around us and making the meaning ourselves.
In short, young people need to take courses in logic and philosophy.
Yah, sounds very much like all of us do 😘 But no, that's far too short and not even exactly their point(s). Obviously and before anything else we really need to understand how our brains neuroplasticity makes us absolutely capable of learning and adapt to new things until our last breath taken. And then it is also quite necessary to know how listening actually works to get the proper point of the words one has spoken, instead of mainly focusing on one's very own interpretation...🤫🍄🌸
Then replay video with latest mindset-updates, having enabled your listing mode now and.. WOOOW! Just kidding.. but I'm also very serious about this! 🙃❤
this explains why even though gender identity is not necessarily in sync with reality, it remains the strongest narrative within their own memory. No wonder it is hard to correct. You will need something more profound to realign them to reality.
*Initial
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Of course, this is intuitively obvious, at least based on how she describes it
Undergirding? Operationalised? What words is this woman using, while waffling unnecessarily?
You are 2 seconds away from Google search.
Go on, you can do it 👏👏👏
Honestly my brain gettin a feast of transendent thinkin (gonna be hella developed).
I thought this was just called self awareness
I feel like this is something Dr. Jordan Peterson has literally been talking about and advocating for the last 7 years (or longer). That's the whole point of his self-authoring program. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.
Profound
Thats one hell of a cool name damn
Whats the name of the end song?
This is just confusing, I dont get if she really is trying to make a point about something. To me it seems vacuos.
In my opinion, the value of her view is more of the useful imagination and educative application than of basic insight about organisms or minds. Her view is not much pointed, again in my opinion.
@@__Henry__ Yeah maybe 🤔 It still feels like she either lacks any useful insight or she is making a point I don't really agree with at all. I am not sure which she is doing, it's pretty confusing.
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A video about memory presented by the person with the world's longest name and job title.
If you can remember that you've succeed.
Parents have a large responsibility to make this education, right?
Basically this is Jordan Peterson's future authoring program, in a video format.
Cries in SDAM.
awesome