River Crossings (and Alcuin Numbers) - Numberphile

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  • @johnox2226
    @johnox2226 7 років тому +862

    "An Anglo-Saxon really smart dude" That is the best description ever, 10/10

    • @yungml
      @yungml 7 років тому +16

      Also not applicable very often

    • @paulc4629
      @paulc4629 7 років тому +4

      That's racist

    • @stevethecatcouch6532
      @stevethecatcouch6532 7 років тому +8

      Well, Alguin was at least smart enough to copy fro the Arab sources of the problem.

    • @johnox2226
      @johnox2226 7 років тому

      Paul C Your name is racist

    • @yvesivo
      @yvesivo 7 років тому +1

      *Anglo-Sachson

  • @Hello-fb7sp
    @Hello-fb7sp 7 років тому +97

    I knew about this problem since childhood but had never thought of it in a mathematical way, this was really interesting!
    The Dr also explained it very well, I hope she appears more on this channel in the future.

  • @rostfleck79
    @rostfleck79 7 років тому +407

    I can't believe you missed the opportunity to say "We're gonna need a bigger boat!".

  • @Dominikcos7
    @Dominikcos7 7 років тому +1487

    that cabbage is a broccoli

    • @tohopes
      @tohopes 7 років тому +31

      BROCCOLI... is SPY!!!

    • @edsiefker1301
      @edsiefker1301 7 років тому +71

      Broccoli and cabbage are the same species.

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 7 років тому +25

      Ed Siefker, so? They're different strains so that doesn't make them interchangeable.

    • @timseguine2
      @timseguine2 7 років тому +45

      They don't have to be interchangeable. The species itself is called cabbage. Broccoli is a cultivar of that species, ergo a type of cabbage.

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 7 років тому +7

      Tim Seguine I thought they all came from wild mustard way back when.

  • @KungFuBlitzKrieg
    @KungFuBlitzKrieg 7 років тому +758

    So the moral of the story is, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

    • @bazoozoo1186
      @bazoozoo1186 7 років тому +51

      ...And keep the friends of your enimies away from enimies of your friends.

    • @KungFuBlitzKrieg
      @KungFuBlitzKrieg 7 років тому +1

      Haha! Yes indeed! :)

    • @dan_tr4pd00r
      @dan_tr4pd00r 7 років тому +49

      I thought the moral was just get a big enough boat.

    • @RandomRageDude
      @RandomRageDude 7 років тому +9

      keep your friends close and their enemies closer.

    • @osotanuki3359
      @osotanuki3359 7 років тому

      KungFuBlitzKrieg mmm... not really

  • @Borednesss
    @Borednesss 7 років тому +223

    Dr. Annie Raymond seems pretty cool!

    • @moviesmaster2399
      @moviesmaster2399 7 років тому +4

      where can i attempt to post a proof for this problem ?????????????????? please

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 років тому +5

      It's an NP problem.

    • @EaglePicking
      @EaglePicking 3 роки тому +3

      @@moviesmaster2399 That is probably the nerdiest pick-up line I ever heard :D

  • @Willzp360
    @Willzp360 7 років тому +429

    Brady I think your cabbage may, uh, be a broccoli

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 років тому +158

      I know but there is no cabbage emoji! ;)

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 років тому +19

      Will Price
      It’s the same species, so does it really matter?

    • @Lauraphoid
      @Lauraphoid 7 років тому +14

      Broccoli is a cabbage.

    • @imveryangryitsnotbutter
      @imveryangryitsnotbutter 7 років тому +87

      It's a Parker Cabbage.

    • @OctagonalSquare
      @OctagonalSquare 7 років тому +2

      I'm Very Angry It's Not Butter!! That's it! Somebody tell Matt!

  • @GeekyNeil
    @GeekyNeil 7 років тому +7

    10:00-10:10 Any vertex cover of this graph needs 4 vertices because there are 4 non-intersecting edges. Cat-Mouse, Goat-Carrot, Rabbit-Cabbage and Wolf-Goose. You need at least one vertex from each of those edges, so you need at least 4 vertices.

  • @Faramik2000
    @Faramik2000 7 років тому +320

    Broccoli can't swim? You haven't seen mine

  • @diaz6874
    @diaz6874 7 років тому +464

    But what if the farmer can eat the boat?

    • @reflex5729
      @reflex5729 7 років тому +18

      El Díaz in this situations you’ve to take goat on the boat that goat will check him out

    • @LokiClock
      @LokiClock 7 років тому +8

      Who boats the boaters at the boaters' exhibition?

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 років тому +1

      LokiClock, the person wearing the boater would do that.

    • @DouglasZwick
      @DouglasZwick 7 років тому +6

      I knew it was a mistake to leave that farmer unsupervised

    • @limitingchaos
      @limitingchaos 6 років тому +4

      Turns out the boat, and everything else, is a spherical cow.

  • @hellocollegejason198
    @hellocollegejason198 7 років тому +103

    Goats can be lawnmowers, not a quote I was expecting on this channel.

    • @Gold161803
      @Gold161803 7 років тому +3

      hellocollegejason198 At least not from anyone other than Cliff.

    • @ccgarciab
      @ccgarciab 7 років тому +1

      You can actually hire a pack of goats (how are those called?) to mow your grass. I read somewhere that thats what google does in their googleplex.

  • @feliciabarker9210
    @feliciabarker9210 6 років тому +14

    I'd really like a follow-up video that dug into how you DO check if a vertex cover is the minimum size

  • @sparkcrushervcm
    @sparkcrushervcm 7 років тому +334

    From the thumbnail I thought we were summoning a really cute demon.

    • @Sionweit
      @Sionweit 7 років тому +7

      hahaha

    • @ObjectsInMotion
      @ObjectsInMotion 7 років тому +15

      I mean the venn diagram of satanists and graph theorists IS a circle...

    • @miteshgurav6069
      @miteshgurav6069 7 років тому +4

      Anthony Khodanian The math is strong with this one!!

    • @Ghostofchristmasfuture
      @Ghostofchristmasfuture 7 років тому +2

      You can try to summon a demon with any shape you want it will Probably have the same result.

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 6 років тому +1

      I'd try a penciltangle, to summon a cute nerdy demon.

  • @Frosty-oj6hw
    @Frosty-oj6hw 7 років тому +223

    This channel is like a never ending fountain of attractive, nerdy, maths goddesses.

    • @camilohiche4475
      @camilohiche4475 6 років тому +7

      Instant platonic crush right from the thumbnail.

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 6 років тому +6

      How can you have a crush on someone simply by looks, implying attraction, and it being *platonic*?. It's almost the exact opposite of platonic.
      Your statement is indeed false. Now I'm wondering if you actually ONLY comment falsehoods.

    • @camilohiche4475
      @camilohiche4475 6 років тому +10

      @@omikronweapon Thank you for making me check this comment so I come back to this video and admire this beautiful professor once again.

    • @TymexComputing
      @TymexComputing 5 років тому +1

      You omitted the pentagram, the goat and the blood :)

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex Рік тому

      false.

  • @jwrm22
    @jwrm22 7 років тому +66

    In the meantime, the wolf ate the cabbage as he was very hungry.

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 7 років тому +3

      jwrm22 The wolf relieved itself on the cabbage.... and smirked "Enjoy your dinner now"

  • @mikewilliams6025
    @mikewilliams6025 7 років тому +361

    Wolf would definitely eat the cat. You've broken math, Brady. Stop that.

    • @StezzerLolz
      @StezzerLolz 7 років тому +166

      The cat would eat the rabbit, too. And the goose would just destroy everything in a psychotic rampage, because geese are bastards.

    • @gabehennessy-oreilly1177
      @gabehennessy-oreilly1177 7 років тому +16

      Nice callback

    • @Siggvard
      @Siggvard 7 років тому +10

      The cat could climb up a tree.

    • @Siggvard
      @Siggvard 7 років тому +5

      The cat could climb up a tree.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 7 років тому +4

      The cat would climb up the boat.

  • @jessesantana8408
    @jessesantana8408 7 років тому +3

    I was entranced by Dr. Raymond I could listen to her teach for years.

    • @dm551
      @dm551 7 років тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/m-tyhEX_LaE/v-deo.html

    • @jessesantana8408
      @jessesantana8408 7 років тому

      dm551 thank you wonderful stranger! Hope you have a nice day :)

  • @AnastasisGrammenos
    @AnastasisGrammenos 7 років тому +4

    A cool application of this is in chemical storage units. There you have chemicals that shouldn't be close with some (conflict) and chemicals that are ok to be side by side (not conflict). So you need to get a storage unit with the min_vertex_ cover + 1 different rooms

  • @MrTheNaboo
    @MrTheNaboo 7 років тому +65

    Graph theory seems to pop up everywhere.

    • @anselmschueler
      @anselmschueler 7 років тому

      Maximilian Wollner it does

    • @kailomonkey
      @kailomonkey 7 років тому +2

      Because graph theory says this problem can get too complicated let's just draw it as a network, try our best then declare it too complicated.

    • @mensaswede4028
      @mensaswede4028 4 роки тому +3

      Yeah, graphs are succinct representation of “things” (vertices) and “relationships between things” (edges). And a lot of problems deal with things and the relationships between those things.

  • @johnbouttell5827
    @johnbouttell5827 7 років тому +405

    After spending so much time in the boat, the wolf will soon become domesticated. He may end up rowing the boat. Wolf Boat Tours R' Us.

    • @rockinRrr
      @rockinRrr 7 років тому +4

      the wolf is the boat.

    • @BeeryGamer
      @BeeryGamer 7 років тому +5

      Then we won't need the rower/owner of all those vegetables and animals no more, so the number of seats of the boat required will always be the lowest vertex number! Give me those millions now thank you very much!

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 років тому +6

      If the farmer rowed badly enough, and the river was rough, then the wolf would soon become too travel sick to eat anything.

    • @jans1982
      @jans1982 7 років тому +3

      Or maybe ff you do every trip with your wolf, then you'll be friends with the wolf and then leave him with his food on purpose

    • @elimalinsky7069
      @elimalinsky7069 7 років тому

      John Bicycle So that's how the wolf became a dog?
      Being ferried from one bank of the river to the other :D

  • @RalphDratman
    @RalphDratman 7 років тому +18

    Excellent. Annie Raymond is a fantastic explainer and teacher!

  • @pants1337
    @pants1337 7 років тому +93

    Runescape's 'Recruitment Drive' quest.

    • @ab12345cdf
      @ab12345cdf 7 років тому

      always think about this when i see this proble lol

    • @Devan...
      @Devan... 7 років тому

      first think i thought of. lol

    • @andyrhodes1554
      @andyrhodes1554 7 років тому

      I wish I had seen this video years ago when I did this quest...

    • @arejm7304
      @arejm7304 7 років тому

      hahahhah awesome

  • @brenthooton3412
    @brenthooton3412 3 роки тому +12

    14:15 the interesting question is the balance between efficiency (do it in as few crossings as possible) vs capacity (get away with the smallest boat as possible).
    7 crossings for 5 animals seems really inefficient. But maybe the cost of a bigger boat outweighs the cost of the extra crossings.
    Or maybe the river is really wide and the cost of the extra crossings makes the bigger boat worth it.

    • @housellama
      @housellama 3 роки тому +3

      Found the engineer!

    • @kennethgee2004
      @kennethgee2004 2 роки тому +4

      @@housellama well probably, but optimization issue are also in mathematics with the equilibrium theory discovered by Nash. The optimization issue has also been extended into law and other areas, so it is an important concept.

  • @rohansastry
    @rohansastry 7 років тому +265

    But... goats eat everything!
    So... wouldn’t the goat also eat the boat?

    • @lukasschmidt2478
      @lukasschmidt2478 7 років тому +20

      For the puzzle to work though, none of the animals must do anything when the farmer is watching.

    • @josephoduor2358
      @josephoduor2358 7 років тому +14

      Says the one who has a wolf as a pet

    • @pleasedontwatchthese9593
      @pleasedontwatchthese9593 7 років тому +5

      The 🐐 ate the 🚜.

    • @pmcpartlan
      @pmcpartlan 7 років тому +3

      Rohan Sastry If a goat ate a boat, would it float?

    • @Nemelis0
      @Nemelis0 7 років тому +1

      @Pete McPartlan: Only in a moat

  • @hossamel2006
    @hossamel2006 2 роки тому +2

    Somehow this is an amazing video...probably the best one I've ever watched 😃

  • @Dominikcos7
    @Dominikcos7 7 років тому +113

    *insert the cabbage scene from avatar here*

  • @alvkarthik2018
    @alvkarthik2018 4 роки тому

    i have heard this problem a hundred times but never thought that people are actually serious about these kind of problems. and that;s why i love numberphile .

  • @ninogaggi
    @ninogaggi 7 років тому +45

    Why would a farmer have a wolf?

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 7 років тому +7

      Alan Murray 4000bc farmer

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 років тому +17

      ua-cam.com/video/DDzTyOJSe-Y/v-deo.html

    • @ritikchawla8298
      @ritikchawla8298 7 років тому

      lol

    • @ninogaggi
      @ninogaggi 7 років тому +3

      Numberphile yes that was my inspiration

    • @revjmyoung
      @revjmyoung 7 років тому +1

      Thank you for this -- I had the same thought from Gareth! ;-)

  • @ROL4NDpkmnguide
    @ROL4NDpkmnguide 7 років тому +162

    I like her accent

    • @paint4pain
      @paint4pain 7 років тому +29

      French Canadian, probably from greater Montreal area.

    • @monkey7431_
      @monkey7431_ 7 років тому +27

      Sounds Dutch to me mate

    • @joewhitmore6776
      @joewhitmore6776 7 років тому +3

      I was just wondering what kind of accent is that

    • @timhoheisel8939
      @timhoheisel8939 5 років тому +1

      French-Canadian, in fact, Montreal.

  • @CharlesTheClumsy
    @CharlesTheClumsy 7 років тому +251

    I don't know any other channel that puts their name in the title of every video.

    • @azbyn692
      @azbyn692 7 років тому +82

      Computerphile also does it

    • @frozenglobe
      @frozenglobe 7 років тому +61

      and Sixty Symbols

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 7 років тому +60

      It's for search engine optimization (SEO).

    • @subinmdr
      @subinmdr 7 років тому +84

      Smarter Every Day and almost every singer and band channels

    • @cyrillamat4888
      @cyrillamat4888 7 років тому +4

      I do

  • @vimalk78
    @vimalk78 4 роки тому +1

    This is perhaps my favorite numberphile video.

  • @dragoncurveenthusiast
    @dragoncurveenthusiast 7 років тому +111

    As a kid I always wondered how the farmer keeps the wolf from eating the goat and the goat from eating the cabbage if he IS there with them.
    I never got an answer.

  • @sweatygenius
    @sweatygenius 7 років тому +1

    I loved this

  • @olliestone5549
    @olliestone5549 7 років тому +281

    They should invite Big Shaq here... His math skills are mind boggling.

    • @OEpistimon
      @OEpistimon 7 років тому +43

      The mathematicians working with numberphile wouldn't be able to comprehend his quick mafs...

    • @philipsneck3571
      @philipsneck3571 7 років тому +9

      Agreed, his mafs are just too dang quick

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 років тому +6

      Mathememagics ting

    • @cosmicjenny4508
      @cosmicjenny4508 7 років тому

      +Purposely Mistaken Nah, man was decent at maffs. Man got...
      D...

    • @alandouglas2789
      @alandouglas2789 7 років тому +2

      Purposely Mistaken lol, seriously?

  • @MateusSFigueiredo
    @MateusSFigueiredo 7 років тому +22

    She's great! Do more videos with her

  • @shahbazsheikh3545
    @shahbazsheikh3545 7 років тому +8

    "Blood everywhere or shreds of cabbage".... hahahaha!
    Great video.

    • @rohansastry
      @rohansastry 7 років тому +1

      Shahbaz Sheikh Sheds of broccoli everywhere

  • @EdithKFrost
    @EdithKFrost Рік тому +1

    Cats are so badass that even the wolf is too afraid to eat them.

  • @jukka-pekkatuominen4540
    @jukka-pekkatuominen4540 7 років тому +70

    The Wolf would definitely eat the Cat.

    • @SuperSMT
      @SuperSMT 7 років тому +22

      And the cat would eat the rabbit... My cat has

    • @MateusSFigueiredo
      @MateusSFigueiredo 7 років тому +3

      it would have to get the cat first

    • @jukka-pekkatuominen4540
      @jukka-pekkatuominen4540 7 років тому +3

      If the Cat runs away you'll end up losing them both. So in case of riddle it wouldn't work either.

    • @cyberneticube
      @cyberneticube 7 років тому +2

      And the goose would definitely eat the carrot and the cabbage, but what does it really matter, it's just en example :)

    • @seraphimwiththecheese5880
      @seraphimwiththecheese5880 4 роки тому +2

      Cats eat grass. I've seen mine do it.

  • @iamalexkempton
    @iamalexkempton 7 років тому +1

    This is some classic numberphile right here!

  • @LaGuerre19
    @LaGuerre19 7 років тому +30

    My broccoli brings all the goats to the yard

    • @acbonbe7059
      @acbonbe7059 5 років тому

      LaGuerre19 no that’s a carrot

  • @ajtheown
    @ajtheown 7 років тому +1

    As a Tim, I appreciate your use of emojis from a variety of platforms :)

  • @beeeesac
    @beeeesac 7 років тому +20

    Always loved problems like these!

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 років тому +1

      Many years of playing Professor Layton have prepared me for unexpected river crossings...I'm sure it will happen one of these days...

  • @Mrqwerty2109
    @Mrqwerty2109 2 роки тому +2

    Learned about this problem from Professor Layton

  • @UygurPalestino
    @UygurPalestino 7 років тому +82

    But...Why she has a Wolf in the first place?

    • @Derpster2493
      @Derpster2493 7 років тому

      Mittens.

    • @Gumshoesamurai
      @Gumshoesamurai 7 років тому +1

      Protection from other wolves. Camouflage?
      An "apex predator" makes your party a danger to aggress (attack).

    • @jakubpekarek6400
      @jakubpekarek6400 7 років тому +4

      So the wolf doesn't attack goats the farmer has at home. Remember? You need to take the troublemaker with you everywhere, every time. Duh.

    • @LinkEX
      @LinkEX 7 років тому +3

      I guess that's one reason why mathematicians are sometimes perceived as aloof, living in surreal imaginary world; and why exploring math is actually far more creative and far from dry and formulaic, as some would argue.

    • @OriginalPiMan
      @OriginalPiMan 7 років тому

      Guard dog.

  • @mihaitmf
    @mihaitmf 6 років тому +1

    Really cool stuff behind an apparently easy problem. Plus, I love how mathematicians write so neatly on thoes big paper sheets.

  • @swaiii
    @swaiii 7 років тому +52

    This is some anti wolf propaganda. From my point of view the cabbage is the evil one

    • @pavphone2616
      @pavphone2616 7 років тому +10

      Well then you are lost!

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 4 роки тому +1

      how about that sadistic farmer that keeps messing with everybody.

    • @purplewine7362
      @purplewine7362 3 роки тому +3

      only a wolf deals in absolutes

  • @danielyuan9862
    @danielyuan9862 7 років тому

    10:16; 4 is the minimum vertex cover because there are 4 points with 4 edges connected to another vertex. If there are 3 vertices covered, then one will not be covered. It is connected to 4 other vertices and a maximum of 3 are covered so one will not be covered, so there will always be a line connecting to it, and it is not a vertex cover.

    • @danielyuan9862
      @danielyuan9862 7 років тому

      In general, the minimum vertex cover cannot be less than n if there are n points each connecting to n other points (can be with each other).

  • @AgentM124
    @AgentM124 7 років тому +132

    P=NP?
    N=1 then.
    QED

    • @meh6422
      @meh6422 7 років тому +32

      Wow ya so smart, very intellectual much IQ

    • @AgentM124
      @AgentM124 7 років тому +33

      Horus yas yas. I used to watch Rick and Morty! 🙃

    • @scottgoodson8295
      @scottgoodson8295 7 років тому +30

      Agent M Or P=0

    • @astamite-
      @astamite- 7 років тому +14

      This is almost 100% correct. The only thing missing is that you forgot to prove P=NP.

    • @AgentM124
      @AgentM124 7 років тому +9

      Astamite true, also wasn't P the variable, so setting it to 0 would mean N could be anything. But meh, I won't ever become a farmer so I don't bother.

  • @flinkwieeinwiesel5657
    @flinkwieeinwiesel5657 2 роки тому

    Wow, what an inspiring and cheerful way to present the problem. More please!

  • @theendofit
    @theendofit 7 років тому +56

    Pffft....sence when can cabages not swim.

    • @SolitaryCZ
      @SolitaryCZ 7 років тому +16

      theendofit It's common knowledge. No vegetable can swim... the wheelchair is too heavy.

    • @Superphilipp
      @Superphilipp 7 років тому

      SolitaryCZ, I lol'ed

    • @SUPAAH_
      @SUPAAH_ 7 років тому +1

      how heavy is the cabbage that you cannot hold it?

    • @stapler942
      @stapler942 4 роки тому

      A cabbage would sink in water, otherwise it would be a witch.

  • @bidaubadeadieu
    @bidaubadeadieu 7 років тому +1

    Really nice video, one of my favorites from recent Numberphile. I love the introduction of a simple problem followed by the general case, much like the Josephus video.

  • @menturinai1387
    @menturinai1387 7 років тому +3

    What is the smallest number of trips required?

  • @sachamm
    @sachamm 7 років тому +1

    Great stuff, I love how your subjects are so enthusiastic.
    We definitely need more on complexity theory!

  • @ndavid42
    @ndavid42 7 років тому +6

    "the rabbit and the goat together are fine. there won't be *too much* violence there" TOO MUCH??!

  • @mraBJJ33
    @mraBJJ33 7 років тому +2

    I'm not smart enough to know the practical application of this but it was still really cool to learn about it in a way that was easy for me to follow along.

  • @JohnDCrafton
    @JohnDCrafton 7 років тому +38

    A wolf will definitely eat a cat, if it can catch the cat.

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 7 років тому +1

      So? I have personally seen a mild-mannered dog rip a cat to shreds (the dog just wanted to play, but unfortunately for the cat, he played too rough). Wolves are decidedly less mild-mannered than dogs.

    • @hart-of-gold
      @hart-of-gold 7 років тому

      When I was a kid our cat (a small tom cat) beat a large rottweiler by climbing on to the back of its neck and clawing the eyes and chewing its ears.

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 7 років тому +1

      We can exchange anecdotes until we die, doesn't change the fact that a wolf will at least try to eat a cat, and will have varying levels of success depending on the intelligence and fitness of the cat. But if the cat gets away it's most likely gone up a tree, and then the farmer has a different problem on his hands.

    • @PuzzleQodec
      @PuzzleQodec 7 років тому

      At least the wolf and cat will be sufficiently distracted from eating anything else, so the farmer can bring the rest of his stuff to the other side of the river, and his boat can be smaller.

  • @franktoffel
    @franktoffel 7 років тому +1

    Excellent explanation! I really like the way it drives you to the limitation of the initial thought. More of these!!

  • @SmileyMPV
    @SmileyMPV 7 років тому +9

    But finding the minimum vertex cover was NP hard already :p

  • @michaelzumpano7318
    @michaelzumpano7318 7 років тому

    I have seen the first problem before but never the generalization to a vertex cover plus one. Nicely done Dr Raymond. I’d like to see more videos on the application of graph theory. Any relationship to Hamiltonian path, partition or Ramsey theory would be fun too.

  • @delve_
    @delve_ 7 років тому +110

    Roses are red
    Violets are fine
    You see this here hyphen ~
    It's a Parker Line

    • @kye4840
      @kye4840 7 років тому +3

      ~~~~~Tilde not hyphen~~~~~

    • @delve_
      @delve_ 7 років тому +7

      +Ky E
      [thatstheidea]

    • @thexavier666
      @thexavier666 6 років тому +7

      That's a Parker Square of a poem

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex Рік тому

      false.

  • @anteconfig5391
    @anteconfig5391 7 років тому +1

    You just gave me an easy problem to see if p = np
    thanks. Now I know which puzzle to do when I get bored.

  • @yero
    @yero 7 років тому +14

    I think I fell in love ❤ also I think that the wolf would eat the cat if it was really hungry

    • @jiggely_spears
      @jiggely_spears 7 років тому +2

      A wolf is basically a dog - it would eat ALL the things...

  • @mensaswede4028
    @mensaswede4028 4 роки тому +1

    I love how there is always a line in these videos where the guest says “I’ll need another piece of paper...”

  • @althaz
    @althaz 7 років тому +18

    Well I *was* going to go to bed, Brady, but I guess I'll watch this first instead :).

  • @macacoman
    @macacoman 7 років тому +1

    One of my favorite videos! Great job you guys.

  • @isaacbankart
    @isaacbankart 7 років тому +5

    0:45 i'm glad the cabbage can't swim that would be really worrying

  • @mikeybud3501
    @mikeybud3501 7 років тому +1

    Very interesting mathematical take on this ancient riddle. Love it as always! 😛

  • @riccardopratesi7943
    @riccardopratesi7943 7 років тому +4

    What about the case of one character being at risk of suicide, and it cannot be left alone? or it can be left only with some of the others? I mean, if in the graph there are also lines linking oneself, but only in absence of some other vertex?

  • @johnredberg
    @johnredberg 7 років тому +2

    In all fairness: Given the classical result that the minimum vertex cover problem is NP-hard, it is not surprising that the "do I need an extra seat" problem is at least NP-hard as well.

  • @ethanpfeiffer7403
    @ethanpfeiffer7403 7 років тому +17

    I prefer the Professor Layton river crossings.

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 років тому +2

      One of these days solving all of those Layton puzzles will come in handy in real life...one day soon I'm sure...

  • @adriansarbu2001
    @adriansarbu2001 7 років тому +1

    I think that if the vertex cover is equal or bigger than the remaining vertices (after removing the vertex cover) divided by two then you will need a boat with the minimum places else you will need a boat with minimum places plus one (sorry for bad english)

  • @CaptainHandsome
    @CaptainHandsome 7 років тому +5

    Why does the Farmer have a wolf?

  • @doodelay
    @doodelay 7 років тому

    I'm convinced that math problems are more fun then physics problems because they can be as playful as the one who imagined them but the generalizations are so profound

  • @pizzamannetje79
    @pizzamannetje79 7 років тому +3

    What does "NP hard" mean?

    • @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT
      @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT 7 років тому

      (I could easily be wrong, but here it is as I understand it.) In basic terms, as it applies here, there's no way to solve the problem analytically; you have to use trial and error. More advanced explanation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem

    • @antanis
      @antanis 7 років тому

      Look up p vs np and the computational zoo by hackerdashery.

  • @CesarDainezi
    @CesarDainezi 7 років тому +2

    "If you were able come up with a polynomial time algorithm to determine it for any graph what it is, then you would prove that P = NP." That plot twist!

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 роки тому

      Not much of a plot twist, really. It's extremely common for problems in graph theory to be NP-hard. Once you've seen a hundred of them, the only reason this one is interesting is because the problem is "Is the answer x or x+1?" Another similar one is that, but the four-colour theorem, every planar graph can be coloured with four colours, but it turns out to be NP-complete to determine whether a planar graph is 3-colourable.

  • @saras8166
    @saras8166 7 років тому +9

    I've not seen a single comment about the problem itself yet.

    • @yvesivo
      @yvesivo 7 років тому

      Sara S Me neither. I hoped for some comments on the P NP topic

    • @andrewl5267
      @andrewl5267 7 років тому

      Then you haven't seen mine yet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • @andres6868
    @andres6868 7 років тому +2

    the automatic subtitles says al cohen of new york instead of alcuin of york

  • @bongjoobrianlee
    @bongjoobrianlee 7 років тому +15

    Cabbage looks like a Broccoli

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 років тому +5

      Bong Joo Brian Lee
      Whatever, it’s the same species.

  • @salehinkibria8377
    @salehinkibria8377 6 років тому

    the distinction between minimum vertex cover and minimum vertex cover + 1 cases seems simple enough. We must simply determine if any part of the minimum vertex cover is connected to more than one vertex outside the minimum cover. if so, it is a minimum vertex cover + 1 case, else minimum vertex cover case.

  • @Luxalpa
    @Luxalpa 7 років тому +4

    The cat would definitely eat the rabbit and it would probably try the goose too.

  • @jcortese3300
    @jcortese3300 7 років тому +1

    I had to laugh at the conclusion to keep the wolf with you at all times, because it occurred to me that any kindergarten teacher who has to herd around kids during a field trip, one of whom is a troublemaker, has already figured this out: you have to keep the troublemaker kid right next to you all day.

  • @rollstuhlmeister
    @rollstuhlmeister 7 років тому +33

    What if the wolf eats the farmer???

  • @cooledcannon
    @cooledcannon 7 років тому +1

    What if the minimum vertex cover includes points that share a vertex?

  • @将軍九八.彁
    @将軍九八.彁 7 років тому +24

    wolf can't eat the cat, lol

    • @piotrarturklos
      @piotrarturklos 7 років тому

      The cat would be way too annoying as prey, scratching the eyes and running between the legs.

    • @soberhippie
      @soberhippie 7 років тому +2

      Given half a chance, a cat might eat the wolf.

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 років тому

      Or run up a tree.

  • @mothman.industries
    @mothman.industries 7 років тому

    Geese having Teeths is the most terrifying thing I'll ever learn from this channel, tbh.

  • @danieltaber4924
    @danieltaber4924 7 років тому +8

    That's not a cabbage. That's a Broccoli.

    • @Aoltooliol
      @Aoltooliol 7 років тому +2

      Daniel Taber same species

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 років тому

      One word for that: Brassica!

    • @TigruArdavi
      @TigruArdavi 3 роки тому

      @@RWBHere Wrong, two words for this: _Brassica oleracea_

  • @yingo4098
    @yingo4098 4 роки тому

    I like how the 'cabbage', the carrot and the grass can get on and off the boat by itself

  • @laptop006
    @laptop006 7 років тому +11

    Rabbit's can't cut through steel beams

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 років тому +3

      LapTop006
      [citation needed]

    • @stevethecatcouch6532
      @stevethecatcouch6532 7 років тому

      A farmer is trying to cross a river with a wolf, a rabbit, and a steel beam ...

    • @jiggely_spears
      @jiggely_spears 7 років тому

      Neither can burning aviation fuel....

  • @ivarkrabol
    @ivarkrabol 7 років тому

    Thought of a quick method to check that a vertex cover is minimal in some cases: the vertex cover must be minimal if you can find a matching which matches all its vertices, i.e. a set of edges which do not share any vertices and which "touches" each of the vertex cover's vertices.
    This because 1) the minimum vertex cover (mvc) of a graph must necessarily be at least as big as the mvc of any subgraph; 2) the size of the mvc of a graph formed from the edges of a matching and their vertices would necessarily be equal to the number of edges in the matching.
    Might be useless and/or obvious, but I though it worth mentioning, since "it's actually not such an easy thing to check."

  • @xenialafleur
    @xenialafleur 7 років тому +4

    The cabbage looks suspiciously like broccoli.

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 років тому

      Shhh! It's in disguise!

  • @JB-kn2zh
    @JB-kn2zh 3 роки тому

    Obviously we have a much more sophisticated knowledge of this problem now than when Alcuin wrote it down, but I'm still impressed by the puzzles and ideas medieval thinkers came up with.

  • @heraok1766
    @heraok1766 7 років тому +10

    Please publish a video which the word mathemathics pronounced by everyone who prepared a numberphile video 🙄

  • @ChrisWalshZX
    @ChrisWalshZX 7 років тому

    9 things to take across. There are 2^9 = 512 potential vertex covers (brute force) to check. There will be plenty of ways to eliminate this combos though. As we're looking for the minimum vertex cover, we can start with 9 x 1 VC, then 2 VC, then 3VC etc.

  • @acorn1014
    @acorn1014 7 років тому +35

    This video is not on the most recently found large prime number. Disgusting!

    • @ashley2khoo510
      @ashley2khoo510 7 років тому +7

      A Corn i dont see anything interesting to say since it is a mersenne prime except acknoledging it. They have a video on some older largest mersenne prime. So really no point making a video IMHO.

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 років тому +27

      We've done quite a few "new largest prime" videos over the years... :)
      Watch them and just imagine we're using the new number!

    • @scottgoodson8295
      @scottgoodson8295 7 років тому +13

      Numberphile A video by induction, so to speak

    • @ColdFishMus
      @ColdFishMus 7 років тому

      DISGUSTANG!

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 років тому

      Ashley2 Khoo
      Yeah, the videos about the 49th known Mersenne prime cover just about everything, so there’s no reason to make one for every future Mersenne prime.

  • @EnginAtik
    @EnginAtik 5 років тому +1

    Conjecture: Define a measure for the nodes to belong to a vertex cover as: number of loops they are part of plus number edges they have. Remove the node that has the highest measure from the graph by zeroing the row and column that belongs to this node in the incidence matrix. Repeat the process until the rank of the incidence matrix is zero. This will give the minimum vertex cover. Measure = diag(a*a) + a*ones(nodecount,1), where a is the incidence matrix.

    • @EnginAtik
      @EnginAtik 5 років тому

      Also going to the other side of the river and and coming back is the same thing. It is symmetric: if you film the successful boat crossing and watch it backwards we will note that nobody eats anybody this time either. This symmetry could be useful in figuring out whether boat size should be one more than the minimum vertex cover.

  • @SlideRulePirate
    @SlideRulePirate 7 років тому +72

    This vid is blatantly Vegist. The Wolf gets a sound effect as does the Goat, but the Cabbages don't.
    End the shaming. Justice for Cabbages!!!

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 7 років тому +5

      What sound does a cabbage make? (and why does the cabbage look like broccoli?)

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 років тому +3

      SlideRulePirate
      I think the word might be “kingdom-ist” since it discriminates between kingdom Plantae and kingdom Animalia. 😉

    • @Uninactive
      @Uninactive 7 років тому +5

      *Cabbage noises*

    • @SlideRulePirate
      @SlideRulePirate 7 років тому

      We're never going to make progress if all anyone ever does is try to make sense.

    • @Dorian_sapiens
      @Dorian_sapiens 7 років тому +1

      The cries of the carrots!

  • @JesseGilbride
    @JesseGilbride 7 років тому

    More Dr. Annie Raymond videos, please.

  • @overkillsnake
    @overkillsnake 7 років тому +19

    Lesson: If you’re a farmer, stick to herbivores.

    • @fejfo6559
      @fejfo6559 7 років тому +2

      No find the minimum vertex cover of your animals and buy a big enough boat

    • @meghan143x
      @meghan143x 7 років тому +1

      Lesson: don't make your farm in an area where you need to cross a river

  • @zockertwins
    @zockertwins 7 років тому +1

    15:30 why does a fish or a bee need a boat ?
    and what thing eats or is eaten by a bee ?

    • @zockertwins
      @zockertwins 7 років тому

      and why is there a dinosaur ?

  • @DrewGJackson
    @DrewGJackson 7 років тому +40

    Cats eat grass. They do it to get rid of fur balls.

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 7 років тому

      Cats eat grass just to annoy someone with a pristine lawn!

    • @kailomonkey
      @kailomonkey 7 років тому

      I have a cat I can confirm this.