It's interesting that this level of technical detail was made available to the general public. Much better than the "dumbed down" approach we take today.
Bell Labs is still around. Just owned by Nokia now. On a somewhat unrelated note; I kind of wish AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, Nokia, Comcast, Charter and CenturyLink were to merge and reform the Bell System. The scale would allow for potentially lower prices, regulated of course, as monopolies should be. It would also allow for better service, as universal fiber to the home would now be standard for everyone even in rural areas.
@@bobmister250 It is far from the organisation it was. I doubt they will ever make a groundbreaking discovery like the transistor again, nor will they create anything like UNIX.
I think this video from 1986 might be the earliest reference I've ever heard in which the term "multimedia" is used. Also: "Delays of only 10 or 20 milliseconds?" We still can't even get that today in the year 2020! LOL!
gary s That’s interesting Gary! We’re they developing the OSI 7 layer model? Was any of the packet switching the developed used today that you know of?
Pre cursor to ISDN-BRI but it was almost obsolete as soon as it was introduced in 1988. It was quickly phased out by emerging DSL technology. ISDN-PRI technology is still used but is being phased out in favor of lower cost SIP-VOIP technology; or in layman's terms voice over the internet.
This video shows that the AT&T already had Gbit capabilities back in the 80's. They speak in terms we still use today. As I always say, there's hardly anything that we have nowadays that wasn't already thought of or done in the 80's. See computer learning at 10:10 on the screens behind the speaker.
This was pretty much state of the art up until DSL became mainstream around 2000 or so, but with GUIs and browsers. Those guys basically already had access to VCS systems (or at least could share diffs over the net). Today we have all sorts of tools nobody knows how to use properly. Similar stuff with speech synth, pretty good for the day- I mean 1986!!!- and it's still pretty crappy today. Some things don't seem to evolve, instead everybody's just watching crap videos on Facebook and stuff.
1:25 "pictures also"...I want to see the person calling from "Windows Technical Support" that calls me to tell me that my computer has a virus and wants to help me.
Microsoft will not call you to tell you your computer has a virus. Its a scammer. Anyone with half a brain who can put 2 and 2 together would know this.
Did you study electronics? I was an electronics tech for years and then went into doing communications in 1989. I retired from these guys doing satellite,microwave and fiber optics.
I really like this channel! The fact that the concept was so far developed 35 years ago! Only the the hardware and the software is different, what these do is described in this video!
Years ago, I worked for the company that provided the Telnet X.25 network in Canada. This was years before the Internet became popular. Also, back then, ISDN was supposed to take over things like phones and FAX, as well as other data. For some reason, it didn't take off in North America, so while primary rate ISDN was used a lot, basic rate was rare. It was about 20 years after this video that I first saw voice over IP.
At the end of this video they were dreaming of a world where Siri and Amazon and Google assistants could understand our voice and give us the answers we needed.
Sooo ... how much of this actually made it out of the lab? Concurrent question, how much of this formed some sort of basis for modern technology? Lastly, if any of this formed the beginnings of modern packet transmission, how much of it was utilized in the standards that were adopted later (or the descendant technology perhaps is a better question)?
Phones that can send voice, and receive data, and pictures, the size of a 12-inch by 8-inch PC board? Wow, so small! Imagine being able to do all that with something that can fit in your pocket! I know, Witchcraft.
6:40 Watch this and remember it when later, you hear the new Cortana, Alexa, Siri, Google whatever personal assistant AI speak like a person who gets to personally know all about you, personally, as you live together and bond over the years, until you leave her for a future, younger, totally cool and positively upbeat, cheerful T-mobile personal assistant
Ol' Bob has his own web site (his name .com) shows he retired from AT&T in 2002. Though the site looks a bit dated from around 2000. He did update some info in 2013.Looking at his CV, he has done a lot , than just appear in the Bell Labs video.
10:10 Speaking of speech recognition, in the early 2000's when I typed with two fingers, I picked up IBM Via Voice software complete with headset to write a long term paper. Worked great! Basically read the text book in my own words, lol. Back then professors were threatening to enter term papers into a program to detect plagiarism. I don't think that ever happened. Not that I cut and pasted anything.
Computer speech recognition in the real word: "Open the pod bay doors, Hal." "I'm sorry, I didn't understand. Could you please repeat the phrase." "Open the pod bay doors, Hal." "I'm sorry, I didn't understand. Could you please repeat the phrase." "Nuts to you." "Which type and size of nuts do you require?"
Whenever you are watching this video it will only be a relatively short matter of time before your cutting-edge, modern technology is just as antiquated as this tech.
Whilst I came here because I have a great interest in the history and development of communications networks I have to say, Bob Lucky has awesome hair.
Prior comments on this video seem to completely miss the point that they are talking about is now called "IP" technology, which is the backbone of the Internet and ALL communications today! THIS WAS REALLY ADVANCED STUFF IN 1986!! Very forward-thinking but, like all other U.S. companies in the era, it was initially ignored as a technical novelty.
Not really. Bell Labs was doing research on TCP/IP in the 80s, like a lot of people, and maybe the switching fabric they designed could be repurposed for that, but that is not what they're describing here. When SIP/RTP and other VOIP technology was developed in the 90s, it wasn't immediately obvious that it would take over. IP wasn't originally envisioned to be good for that.
These systems communication rate fluctuated at roughly 4 - 300 (and maybe 800) BAUD. To give you an idea of how painstakingly slow these modems were, A modern day dial-up modem -- connected to POTS -- can generate speeds up to 56,000 BAUD (56K). And we all know go delayed these speeds were/are. If you want to relive this utterly mind blowing connection speed, you could pick up a 300 BAUD modem on eBay or you purchase a satellite phone connected to Iridiums network. This satellite network -- which took off in 1997 -- supported data speeds up to 2.4 Kbps (2,400 BAUD) and is still currently used to this very day.
"A modern day dial-up modem -- connected to POTS -- can generate speeds up to 56,000 BAUD (56K)" No. A 56 kbps modem is typically 8,000 baud. It sends 7 bits per signal transition, which equals 56,000 bits per second.
So much of this was wasted because it does not conform in any way to the DARPA produced TCP/IP standard. Bell lost the game because they would not think of voice and data and television etc as just data. Sad.
Yeah, it's kind of funny how all of these videos celebrated the latest semiconductor technology and then used it to push some fairly dumb voice telephone product. They did not seem grasp what the internet would bring.
Every new technology that involves use of graphic images has quickly been adopted by porn. Porn sells. It's just the way of the world. If one is tempted to think it is something new, unique to the West, you should view the movie A Passage to India, in its full, uncensored version.
i laughted so hard hen the computer spoke and she said "that is state of the art speach synthesis" xD Also thought i recognize all that hardware from DEC - it was partly buying such things at thrift stores in the 90s that led to me to become a self taught embedded systems engineer creating demos and reference and research systems - a field i've been absent from but hope to return to soon ... i miss having white boards full of concepts and ideas and working with emerging technologies which later become commonplace.. it is a really satisfying feeling and experience i am greatful to have and hopefully soon will have again...
even today with things like siri, i cant get it to understand me, the early siri just cold not understand the word pyramid or excel, mabe its my midwest accent,,,eyaxent lol
I personally have never heard anyone attribute speech recognition to Apple at all, let alone give them "sole credit". Obviously, speech recognition was around long before Apple started using it in their phones. I don't know how anyone could make that mistake.
I understand that it was the 80s but that hair style looks like a helmet. Anyway, I really enjoy watching these older AT&T videos. I wish that I could find some for companies like Data General and Texas Instruments.
Does anyone think these guys are revolting in their graves, seeing what their creativity and technology is being used for today? Like spying in customers , pure company profit etc etc😢
They were right about the speech recognition taking decades. And its still not perfect. They key turned out out to be Machine learning, and millions of input samples.
It's interesting that this level of technical detail was made available to the general public. Much better than the "dumbed down" approach we take today.
I miss the time when people understood complete sentences.
I do not doubt that the Bell System employed some of the most brilliant people whom the world has ever encountered.
They were the backbone of the modern communications and internet, The smartest people in the room.
Bell, CERN, and, strangely enough, Xerox.
I've been binge watching the AT&T archives. Wow just awesome 👍
2 years later - doing the same thing :)
Me too, via AT&T Fiber.
Bell Labs, where we used to make the future. RIP
I think it's more OSPF
Bell Labs is still around. Just owned by Nokia now. On a somewhat unrelated note; I kind of wish AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, Nokia, Comcast, Charter and CenturyLink were to merge and reform the Bell System. The scale would allow for potentially lower prices, regulated of course, as monopolies should be. It would also allow for better service, as universal fiber to the home would now be standard for everyone even in rural areas.
@@bobmister250 It is far from the organisation it was. I doubt they will ever make a groundbreaking discovery like the transistor again, nor will they create anything like UNIX.
Technically the Bell System was ripped apart. Bell Atlantic is now Verizon for instance.
My condolences to your loved ones.
Many of the concepts mentioned in this video, although some referred to by different names, are still taught in computer networking courses.
i love how it starts with the line. "A phone in every home", and now we are at the point that there is a phone in every pocket
A computer in every pocket. Phones are dead
this is so awesome to watch in 2018. How we take daily computing for granted
11:34 Those "decades" have now melted into the past.
I think this video from 1986 might be the earliest reference I've ever heard in which the term "multimedia" is used.
Also: "Delays of only 10 or 20 milliseconds?" We still can't even get that today in the year 2020! LOL!
Worked on some of those projects. Now just historic relics of a once great company that turn to dust.
gary s That’s interesting Gary! We’re they developing the OSI 7 layer model? Was any of the packet switching the developed used today that you know of?
Extra points for the demo on the Symbolics Lisp machines and for the Unix PC
Ironically, the talking head in this video sounds exactly like David Byrne in "True Stories"
Pre cursor to ISDN-BRI but it was almost obsolete as soon as it was introduced in 1988. It was quickly phased out by emerging DSL technology. ISDN-PRI technology is still used but is being phased out in favor of lower cost SIP-VOIP technology; or in layman's terms voice over the internet.
This video shows that the AT&T already had Gbit capabilities back in the 80's. They speak in terms we still use today. As I always say, there's hardly anything that we have nowadays that wasn't already thought of or done in the 80's. See computer learning at 10:10 on the screens behind the speaker.
You can see an AT&T PC 7300 (doesn't have an Intel CPU), Eighth Edition UNIX (UNIX v8) and Datakit networking.
03:20 that guy predicted Google Docs 30 years ahead of its time.
8:49 - Siri and Alexa: Are we a joke to you?
its so nostalgic to see the their images of the future from our side. And kinda creepy
This was pretty much state of the art up until DSL became mainstream around 2000 or so, but with GUIs and browsers. Those guys basically already had access to VCS systems (or at least could share diffs over the net). Today we have all sorts of tools nobody knows how to use properly. Similar stuff with speech synth, pretty good for the day- I mean 1986!!!- and it's still pretty crappy today.
Some things don't seem to evolve, instead everybody's just watching crap videos on Facebook and stuff.
1:25 "pictures also"...I want to see the person calling from "Windows Technical Support" that calls me to tell me that my computer has a virus and wants to help me.
Better yet, a punch_in_the_face feature ...
From Mumbai and Bangalore, INDIA.
Microsoft will not call you to tell you your computer has a virus. Its a scammer. Anyone with half a brain who can put 2 and 2 together would know this.
What an amazing look back of where our technology started!
Love the snap of C code at 17 seconds.
This stuff is interesting. Certainly a lot more interesting than a tiktok "celebrity" eating food.
Were these videos available to watch back in the 80's? it would have been cool to watch them in the day.
Thanks for this! I started my Freshman Year at Covina High in SoCal in September of 1986.
Did you study electronics? I was an electronics tech for years and then went into doing communications in 1989. I retired from these guys doing satellite,microwave and fiber optics.
I really like this channel! The fact that the concept was so far developed 35 years ago! Only the the hardware and the software is different, what these do is described in this video!
The ironic part about watching this video is that I am using a Verizon internet provider.
34 other Nerds and I liked this video.
1:17 fast forward to day where CoD kids are screeching at each other as they 360 no-scope each other.
Years ago, I worked for the company that provided the Telnet X.25 network in Canada. This was years before the Internet became popular. Also, back then, ISDN was supposed to take over things like phones and FAX, as well as other data. For some reason, it didn't take off in North America, so while primary rate ISDN was used a lot, basic rate was rare. It was about 20 years after this video that I first saw voice over IP.
At the end of this video they were dreaming of a world where Siri and Amazon and Google assistants could understand our voice and give us the answers we needed.
7:23 Symbolics Lisp Machine spotted.
I am watching this video over AT&T Fiber. Nice.
Grateful Dead song "Ripple" on the screen at 3:22.
the early days of Skype conversations basicly.
Sooo ... how much of this actually made it out of the lab? Concurrent question, how much of this formed some sort of basis for modern technology? Lastly, if any of this formed the beginnings of modern packet transmission, how much of it was utilized in the standards that were adopted later (or the descendant technology perhaps is a better question)?
Actually all their work was the genesis of todays modern communications
Phones that can send voice, and receive data, and pictures, the size of a 12-inch by 8-inch PC board? Wow, so small!
Imagine being able to do all that with something that can fit in your pocket! I know, Witchcraft.
That last guy nailed it
6:40 Watch this and remember it when later, you hear the new Cortana, Alexa, Siri, Google whatever personal assistant AI speak like a person who gets to personally know all about you, personally, as you live together and bond over the years, until you leave her for a future, younger, totally cool and positively upbeat, cheerful T-mobile personal assistant
Bob sure is lucky to be working at AT&T. Real Lucky! As a side note he just recently died in March 2022.
Ol' Bob has his own web site (his name .com) shows he retired from AT&T in 2002. Though the site looks a bit dated from around 2000. He did update some info in 2013.Looking at his CV, he has done a lot , than just appear in the Bell Labs video.
10:10 Speaking of speech recognition, in the early 2000's when I typed with two fingers, I picked up IBM Via Voice software complete with headset to write a long term paper. Worked great! Basically read the text book in my own words, lol. Back then professors were threatening to enter term papers into a program to detect plagiarism. I don't think that ever happened. Not that I cut and pasted anything.
Does anyone know which protocols and or codecs these phones and old switches used?
The beginning of voip telephone
More InfoQuest Center Stuff Please!
Computer speech recognition in the real word:
"Open the pod bay doors, Hal."
"I'm sorry, I didn't understand. Could you please repeat the phrase."
"Open the pod bay doors, Hal."
"I'm sorry, I didn't understand. Could you please repeat the phrase."
"Nuts to you."
"Which type and size of nuts do you require?"
When you needed a suit to use a PC.
They looked at our boy @ 2:20 and said - YES! This is the guy that is going to deliver the message.
Whenever you are watching this video it will only be a relatively short matter of time before your cutting-edge, modern technology is just as antiquated as this tech.
2:13 Wow, a VoIP phone in 1986! :O
Did you see all the processor chips on the bottom of that thing when he flipped it over? lol...
Jonathan Jensen At least it wasn't vacuum tubes. LOL :)
Accept I don’t think it was “IP” it was data yes, but not the IP protocol they were using
Whilst I came here because I have a great interest in the history and development of communications networks I have to say, Bob Lucky has awesome hair.
Prior comments on this video seem to completely miss the point that they are talking about is now called "IP" technology, which is the backbone of the Internet and ALL communications today! THIS WAS REALLY ADVANCED STUFF IN 1986!! Very forward-thinking but, like all other U.S. companies in the era, it was initially ignored as a technical novelty.
No it was not very advanced. Packet networks had been thought up and done for some twenty years at the time.
Dogmakarma Store ARPAnet had been operating for 17 years when this video was recorded, and was about to form the backbone of the internet.
Actually, Bob seems to be talking about ATM or Asynchronous Transfer Mode technology.
Not really. Bell Labs was doing research on TCP/IP in the 80s, like a lot of people, and maybe the switching fabric they designed could be repurposed for that, but that is not what they're describing here. When SIP/RTP and other VOIP technology was developed in the 90s, it wasn't immediately obvious that it would take over. IP wasn't originally envisioned to be good for that.
Google Assistant, Apple Siri and Amazon Alexa are the modern-day realization of these researches.
These systems communication rate fluctuated at roughly 4 - 300 (and maybe 800) BAUD. To give you an idea of how painstakingly slow these modems were, A modern day dial-up modem -- connected to POTS -- can generate speeds up to 56,000 BAUD (56K). And we all know go delayed these speeds were/are. If you want to relive this utterly mind blowing connection speed, you could pick up a 300 BAUD modem on eBay or you purchase a satellite phone connected to Iridiums network. This satellite network -- which took off in 1997 -- supported data speeds up to 2.4 Kbps (2,400 BAUD) and is still currently used to this very day.
"A modern day dial-up modem -- connected to POTS -- can generate speeds up to 56,000 BAUD (56K)"
No. A 56 kbps modem is typically 8,000 baud. It sends 7 bits per signal transition, which equals 56,000 bits per second.
The internet has a lot more bloat nowadays
I remember my first Hayes Smartmodem. 2400 baud! 👍
Glad how technology is now compared to then
"...it's decades away" - well, he was proven right on that one.
ALGORITHMS?! Wait, did he just say algorithms?! For 10 years?!
So much of this was wasted because it does not conform in any way to the DARPA produced TCP/IP standard. Bell lost the game because they would not think of voice and data and television etc as just data. Sad.
It was used in Lucent and Avaya phones for years.
Exactly what I was about to type before I saw your comment.
Yeah, it's kind of funny how all of these videos celebrated the latest semiconductor technology and then used it to push some fairly dumb voice telephone product. They did not seem grasp what the internet would bring.
Did they not use the OSI model (the 7 layers) ?
How did they go from this to porn so quickly?
so you enjoyed your 16 low-res smut back in the day did you....
Hell, even the Atari 2600 had X-rated games.
+James Babaniotis LOL
Leisure Suite Larry!
Every new technology that involves use of graphic images has quickly been adopted by porn. Porn sells. It's just the way of the world. If one is tempted to think it is something new, unique to the West, you should view the movie A Passage to India, in its full, uncensored version.
14:47 well it took 30 years before Amazon & Google managed to implement this into one system.
Add more packets
i laughted so hard hen the computer spoke and she said "that is state of the art speach synthesis" xD Also thought i recognize all that hardware from DEC - it was partly buying such things at thrift stores in the 90s that led to me to become a self taught embedded systems engineer creating demos and reference and research systems - a field i've been absent from but hope to return to soon ... i miss having white boards full of concepts and ideas and working with emerging technologies which later become commonplace.. it is a really satisfying feeling and experience i am greatful to have and hopefully soon will have again...
Cellular has changed the world!!! But without the research and designs bu AT&T and Western Electric the cellular networks couldn't work!!!
Bell Labs is the real Skynet!
at 0:32, when men started the puffed_up_hair_look.
Too bad this never took off :(
Hello could you test this software? Search for androidcircuitsolver on google!
That hair!
It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
I am SAM. The software automated mouth for your Commodore 64 compyooooooter.
And the end products are automated systems and Siri haha
12:27 "very basic research"
What hath God wrought?
I think that was applied to the 19th century telegraph. Not the phone.
Sounds like VoIP over dry loop DSL.
1:05 81 y/o now
even today with things like siri, i cant get it to understand me, the early siri just cold not understand the word pyramid or excel, mabe its my midwest accent,,,eyaxent lol
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Watching that in 2016, one is amazed at how ancient it seems. It's practically the stone age of computers. Tempus fugit!
the network of the future:
63% porn
28% abusing strangers online
9% trolling
This is funny. I worked for them and they used your voice for security purposes. My voice is real deep and it hardly ever worked.
14:35 - Google: Am I a joke to you?
Bob is lucky
let's tunnel it over a tunnel over a tunnel over another tunnel.
@15:00 - The basic premise of Siri
And Crapple would have us believe that they're solely responsible for speech recognition (well they'd like to).....
Apple NEVER claimed to INVENT speech recognition. But they have made serious strides in development.
I personally have never heard anyone attribute speech recognition to Apple at all, let alone give them "sole credit". Obviously, speech recognition was around long before Apple started using it in their phones. I don't know how anyone could make that mistake.
This looks like it was made by Tim and Eric.
All while watching this on a Samsung Galaxy S10E that has way more computing power than anything imaginable in 1986🤣
We use Skype at work. so VoIP
I understand that it was the 80s but that hair style looks like a helmet. Anyway, I really enjoy watching these older AT&T videos. I wish that I could find some for companies like Data General and Texas Instruments.
Does anyone think these guys are revolting in their graves, seeing what their creativity and technology is being used for today? Like spying in customers , pure company profit etc etc😢
Now we have SIP :)
POTS over IP? meh...
chat gpt is now neutered so it doesn't become sentient.
Hey Siri
15:10 - prediction of Siri's existence
Edited to add that Siri launched on 4 October 2011, a quarter of a century after this video was made.
All these people trying to develop speech recognition, just for us to yell "Representative!" at it
Everyone is talking science, I’m still not over this guy’s toupee. Am I the crazy, or does that look like a rug?
It's like a bunny in a field of muskrats having a surprise party for the woolly mammoth.
I can't even spell SIP, lol
Network of the future or voice & speech recognition of the future?? anyway hanks at&t, we now have sirl etc,,,,
They were right about the speech recognition taking decades. And its still not perfect. They key turned out out to be Machine learning, and millions of input samples.
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LOL! Classic!
"Speech Independent Recognition" = SIRi for all you millennials out there:)
Taco Bell Labs does more these days.
Seems like before, people created new technology. NOW, people only create new crap that uses old technology 😕