We are missing about 50 million worth of players, back ups and starters. We need a great tight end, we need a super slot receiver. It will improve our chances when we get out from under Russell Wilson. I am proud of our team.
I agree with Stokley on Jaleel but that has been Sean Paytons issue for two years now. If its not Jaleel its Mims that Payton refuses to use effectivelly. This dude has his favorites (Lil Jordan + J. Williams) that constantly see the field and just do not produce when the guys who do ball out we hardly ever see.
Franklin was grabbed at the 30 yrd line on a no call illegal contact. Bo was about to release at that point. Can’t blame the ref but if we are analyzing that throw I took notice to that no call
before blaming Bo, why not ask the question Why is Franklin the only receiver that is consistently overthrown? The Mims and Sutton and Vele passes are always perfect... is because its a deep ball and Nix has to release the ball early and Troy drifts on the route one or two steps inside or over and that causes him to be 1-2 yards under?? How is Nix ao accurate with Mims and Sutton but consistenly misses Franklin? that tells me its route running
I think everyone is overthinking it. Franklin played with Nix in college so they already have qb-to-wr chemistry. It’s just a missed pass. This happens all of the time. It just happened at a crucial time.
I think you have a point Larry. However, there was an overthrown pass to Sutton when we played the Colts. During the game, even the commentators noticed that Sutton was getting fussed at for the overthrow, not Bo. Why? Because the scheme they were running would require Sutton to run 20 yards and then break to the outside. When you watch the tape, Sutton only runs about 15 to 17 yards... just enough for Bo to not notice and overthrow. Then, during the Thursday night game against the Chargers, Troy Franklin had another ball fail to reach him. Why? Because Troy fell out of his route. On that play, Troy and Sutton were running the same routes on the outside. They both run up about 20 yards, then turn back around and run back towards Bo. When they both went to stop and turn around and run back towards Bo, Sutton did it perfectly, Troy, however, lost his feet for a moment and didn't fully return back to Bo. When looking at the tape, you'll see that Sutton is about 15 yards down the field after he turns around and returns. Troy, however, is about 18 to 19 yards down the field after his "return" to Bo. So, the pass hit the grass. This is because Troy was 4 or 5 yards further up field than Bo realized. Troy and Bo are both rookies and they are both making some rookie mistakes. But, many of the incomplete passes to Troy fall on him. I mean, I still can't get past the deep ball thrown to him during the first Raiders game. Bo blamed himself but had that been Marvin Mims deep in the endzone, it would've been a catch/TD. Troy will get there.... just needs to shed the college skin.
Funny that Stink said they should’ve done a run/pass option in overtime, and the play calling was bad! Because I thought the same thing during the game!! 👍
Bo Nix still has some issues to clean up, but he played good enough with 3 TDs. Where is the running game? Why was Sean Payton so late to start getting McLaughlin more involved? He is the explosive RB that can open up the offense. The best rushing teams have between 24-31 rushing TDs; the Broncos only have 11 and 4 came from Nix. 7 rushing TDs from the RBs after 16 games, that's bad. It was bad last year too. This offense needs more running game to balance things and support the QB play. And despite the onslaught from Joe Burrow, Nix still made that miraculous play with Mims to set up the game-winning play on the 2-point conversion. You have Nix who is athletic, can run and jump; you have a fullback, you have Estime; just needed 2 yards. How could Sean Payton take the overtime on the road, with Burrow destroying the secondary like that?
Chiefs don’t want the Bengals to get in. I think KC rather have the Broncos in, instead of Burrow & Co. I totally get that. The Broncos need to learn how to put good teams away. Need some more ice in veins as a unit ijs
Only problem with that logic is if the Bengals’ first game would be at Buffalo (where they spanked the Bills in the Divisional Round 27-10 before losing at Arrowhead 2 years ago .. The Bengals have now lost 3 straight to the Chiefs). As a Chiefs fan I would rather see the winner of PIttsburgh - Houston in the Divisional … but if the Bengals take out the Bills that is a pretty sweet result too. The Ravens certainly look like the best team in the AFC but Lamar at Arrowhead in late January … i like that matchup better than Josh Allen.
I think the offensive play calling is way too predictable; you don't have to worry about the middle; cover the line and the flats. Even the opponents have mentioned this.
the 2 point conversion or OT hmmm, either one could have worked ,the coach has to make the call with a few million on lookers looming over his head ,if it works yer the genius if not they want you strung up. Those are million dollar decisions that he gets paid to make.have a little pity please...
Great game Saturday night. Honestly speaking that game should of never made it to OT. Cincinnati should have won 24-17. The Bengals did everything they could to give that game away like they have 5 or 6 times this season. The throw from Nix that tied the game was basically a Hail Mary, it worked and the catch was amazing but talk about low percentage...lol, Nix was running and throwing off his back foot. I was impressed with Bo Nix, dude can play
The Chiefs had the same situation in 2020 .. rested Mahomes in the final week of the season. Chad Henne got the start (Chargers won by 17). Next game was 14 days later (21 day rest for Mahomes and many other starters). Chiefs first two drives resulted in touchdowns and they kicked FGs in the next two possession and moved out to a 19-3 halftime lead. Clearly they were not rusty. Mahomes came out midway in the 3rd Q with a concussion and Chad Henne (who fortunately had started 2 weeks ago) was able to finish the game out and clinch the victory. Chiefs went on to lose the Super Bowl at Tampa that year.
It was a very different game back then, defenses could really get after the QB and receivers and make things rough. And Peyton got drafted by the team with a 3-13 record, with a lot of problems.
Being how they will have almost a month for their next game in playoffs after week 18 they are not gonna sit their starters the whole game I see them probably playing a quarter maybe the firat half then start putting in bsckups that way they are not rusty going into that long bye they get for the playoffs they will play its just a question of hiw much will they play im pretty sure they are gonna play for a quarter or a half game then put in backups which is gonna make the game a little harder than what most are expecting it to be
Its not Franklins fault he was over thrown the ball. If Nix connects on that we are talking about a different game and talking good about Franklin. Ya'll need to chill. Lets shift our focus on to the next game and possibility of playoffs.
@pedrogallegos4245 give him time bro. People were saying the same thing about Mims last year. He gets open. Just need to get him the ball. And when it's there he needs to catch it.
I am not buying what the Chiefs are doing. I think they’re starting them this coming weekend. Why playcalling isn’t getting better and why on earth they are not throwing to Courtland more baffles me. Courtland wins those battles yet Sean doesn’t seem to care. If they don’t go get some elite talent this off-season then it might be time for some coaches to go away.
That hail mary throw to mims was more a great catch between two defenders than it being some crazy good throw that was all mims doing what he could to win the game and at that point payton should of went for 2 to win the game you dont go into overtime against joe burrow that was super stupid plus if it doesnt work you still have one game left to get in that should of been a easy choice to just go for the win there with how the game was going you dont want to give burrow any more chances that was super dumb. Just shows hiw syupid sean payton is he is not a great coach he is a middling coach at best he has a good resume all from dree brees being hall of fame type of qb all those years in new orleans
Everyone is talking about Nix’s (the rookie) play in O/T and whether or not they should have gone for 2. I don’t think the “analytics” figures in putting a rookie QB under the pressure of playing in O/T. I think with a rookie QB you go for 2. It’s obvious that the pressure of O/T play affected Nix’s play.
@stokes I’m fed up with faux uneducated ‘Broncos’ fans giving players ‘a pass’ as you say. Rookies or not these guys are pros and need to be judged on the same scale as the 10 year vets. I agree with what you said that once we started talking playoffs the scale became a different scale altogether. When you yourself raise the stakes mentioning Super Bowl YOU chose to accept the harsh grades of your play afterward
It would be no different than it is right now we already have a wide receiver room full of possession guys that's why we got rid of him is because we have essentially multiple copies of him
The reason we lost that game against Cincy is we don't have to quote a rocky movie " the eye of the tiger," too much? Well sitting down on the two point conversion for the win was just plain ignorant..Sean doesn't have it anymore..
Every team needs to learn how to win before becoming great!😮 Also they need to play all 4 quarters! Denver is trying to figure that out and not doing a good job yet.
Let's not talk about the TD that shouldn't have been a TD by the Broncos! No control over ball, tip of ball hits ground while sliding out of bounds. Not a TD
No coach wants to hear an official turn on his mike to say "Number XX for the defense.......automatic first down." This happened over and over to the Broncos the last two weeks and goes a long way toward explaining both losses.
Why are you bothered about KC resting for almost 3 weeks and try to bring Stokley down? KC already made the playoffs unlike the Broncos, who lost two golden opportunities to make playoffs like Stokely said, plus the Chiefs played 3 games in 11 days against tough teams same for the other four teams too, to get more rest for their injured players. I like Stokeley saying if we can’t beat the KC B starters we don’t deserve playoffs. Broncos fans should be concerned since last time Mahomes got hurt we still lost to Chiefs. And this time around reminds me of the 2006 season, where we had 3 chances to win one game to make the playoffs and lost all 3.
I’m still not understanding why Nux and Franklin can’t get on the same page how many times has Bo Nix missed him or Franklin dropped it - just seems odd Don’t think Franklin makes the roster in 2025’
Again in ot Sean kept calling time outs it's so stupid you should have been playing for a tie 120 was allowed on that but also 120 on the throws on 3rd downs that stopped clock it would been 120 left with Cincinnati no time outs left
Terrell Davis and Sean Alexander could’ve easily been 1 and 2and moved Dickerson to 3 had they not sat them- That being said TD will always be #1 in my book and the OL
What are the odds that a game is going to end in a tie? What are the odds you lose by a field goal or touchdown in OT? Yeah, do that math. I am sure you have a greater chance of losing in OT than ending up with a tie. Bad play calling in OT and time management on the coach, PERIOD. Denver had an equal chance to win this game but elected not to close the door on the Bengals so, the Bengals closed the door on Denver. Pass defense was to blame as well, too many way open receivers.
Come on let’s not be worried about the Chiefs. I think they’ve proven over and over again that they don’t need any one feeling that they’re making the wrong move lol
Franklin has terrible ball tracking skills. That should have been to Mims. Any Franklin target needs to go to Mims. Like mentioned Sean is always changing the skill players in and out
We are missing about 50 million worth of players, back ups and starters. We need a great tight end, we need a super slot receiver. It will improve our chances when we get out from under Russell Wilson. I am proud of our team.
Thank you and me too, proud of out team...and AFTER next year we can quit paying that overrated mediocre quarterback all that dead money.
I agree with Stokley on Jaleel but that has been Sean Paytons issue for two years now. If its not Jaleel its Mims that Payton refuses to use effectivelly.
This dude has his favorites (Lil Jordan + J. Williams) that constantly see the field and just do not produce when the guys who do ball out we hardly ever see.
Franklin was grabbed at the 30 yrd line on a no call illegal contact. Bo was about to release at that point. Can’t blame the ref but if we are analyzing that throw I took notice to that no call
before blaming Bo, why not ask the question Why is Franklin the only receiver that is consistently overthrown? The Mims and Sutton and Vele passes are always perfect... is because its a deep ball and Nix has to release the ball early and Troy drifts on the route one or two steps inside or over and that causes him to be 1-2 yards under?? How is Nix ao
accurate with Mims and Sutton but consistenly
misses Franklin? that tells me its route running
I think everyone is overthinking it. Franklin played with Nix in college so they already have qb-to-wr chemistry. It’s just a missed pass. This happens all of the time. It just happened at a crucial time.
I think you have a point Larry. However, there was an overthrown pass to Sutton when we played the Colts. During the game, even the commentators noticed that Sutton was getting fussed at for the overthrow, not Bo. Why? Because the scheme they were running would require Sutton to run 20 yards and then break to the outside. When you watch the tape, Sutton only runs about 15 to 17 yards... just enough for Bo to not notice and overthrow.
Then, during the Thursday night game against the Chargers, Troy Franklin had another ball fail to reach him. Why? Because Troy fell out of his route. On that play, Troy and Sutton were running the same routes on the outside. They both run up about 20 yards, then turn back around and run back towards Bo. When they both went to stop and turn around and run back towards Bo, Sutton did it perfectly, Troy, however, lost his feet for a moment and didn't fully return back to Bo. When looking at the tape, you'll see that Sutton is about 15 yards down the field after he turns around and returns. Troy, however, is about 18 to 19 yards down the field after his "return" to Bo. So, the pass hit the grass. This is because Troy was 4 or 5 yards further up field than Bo realized.
Troy and Bo are both rookies and they are both making some rookie mistakes. But, many of the incomplete passes to Troy fall on him. I mean, I still can't get past the deep ball thrown to him during the first Raiders game. Bo blamed himself but had that been Marvin Mims deep in the endzone, it would've been a catch/TD. Troy will get there.... just needs to shed the college skin.
Funny that Stink said they should’ve done a run/pass option in overtime, and the play calling was bad! Because I thought the same thing during the game!! 👍
Bo Nix still has some issues to clean up, but he played good enough with 3 TDs. Where is the running game? Why was Sean Payton so late to start getting McLaughlin more involved? He is the explosive RB that can open up the offense. The best rushing teams have between 24-31 rushing TDs; the Broncos only have 11 and 4 came from Nix. 7 rushing TDs from the RBs after 16 games, that's bad. It was bad last year too. This offense needs more running game to balance things and support the QB play. And despite the onslaught from Joe Burrow, Nix still made that miraculous play with Mims to set up the game-winning play on the 2-point conversion. You have Nix who is athletic, can run and jump; you have a fullback, you have Estime; just needed 2 yards. How could Sean Payton take the overtime on the road, with Burrow destroying the secondary like that?
Happy feet sometimes, he don't stay in the pocket..
Chiefs don’t want the Bengals to get in. I think KC rather have the Broncos in, instead of Burrow & Co. I totally get that. The Broncos need to learn how to put good teams away. Need some more ice in veins as a unit ijs
Only problem with that logic is if the Bengals’ first game would be at Buffalo (where they spanked the Bills in the Divisional Round 27-10 before losing at Arrowhead 2 years ago .. The Bengals have now lost 3 straight to the Chiefs). As a Chiefs fan I would rather see the winner of PIttsburgh - Houston in the Divisional … but if the Bengals take out the Bills that is a pretty sweet result too. The Ravens certainly look like the best team in the AFC but Lamar at Arrowhead in late January … i like that matchup better than Josh Allen.
I think the offensive play calling is way too predictable; you don't have to worry about the middle; cover the line and the flats. Even the opponents have mentioned this.
Why isn’t anybody asking Sean Peyton why he used his 2 timeouts in overtime look how much time he saved for Cincinnati to win the game.
the 2 point conversion or OT hmmm, either one could have worked ,the coach has to make the call with a few million on lookers looming over his head ,if it works yer the genius if not they want you strung up. Those are million dollar decisions that he gets paid to make.have a little pity please...
Great game Saturday night. Honestly speaking that game should of never made it to OT. Cincinnati should have won 24-17.
The Bengals did everything they could to give that game away like they have 5 or 6 times this season.
The throw from Nix that tied the game was basically a Hail Mary, it worked and the catch was amazing but talk about low percentage...lol, Nix was running and throwing off his back foot.
I was impressed with Bo Nix, dude can play
The Chiefs had the same situation in 2020 .. rested Mahomes in the final week of the season. Chad Henne got the start (Chargers won by 17). Next game was 14 days later (21 day rest for Mahomes and many other starters). Chiefs first two drives resulted in touchdowns and they kicked FGs in the next two possession and moved out to a 19-3 halftime lead. Clearly they were not rusty. Mahomes came out midway in the 3rd Q with a concussion and Chad Henne (who fortunately had started 2 weeks ago) was able to finish the game out and clinch the victory. Chiefs went on to lose the Super Bowl at Tampa that year.
Ok I just watched a few games Payton manning played his rookie year, and let me just say, Bo had a much better rookie year than manning did.
It was a very different game back then, defenses could really get after the QB and receivers and make things rough. And Peyton got drafted by the team with a 3-13 record, with a lot of problems.
Denver leads the league in SACKS. Playing Mahomes would be asking for him to get hurt.
Being how they will have almost a month for their next game in playoffs after week 18 they are not gonna sit their starters the whole game I see them probably playing a quarter maybe the firat half then start putting in bsckups that way they are not rusty going into that long bye they get for the playoffs they will play its just a question of hiw much will they play im pretty sure they are gonna play for a quarter or a half game then put in backups which is gonna make the game a little harder than what most are expecting it to be
Joe B said let's end this madness after York missed his kick
Its not Franklins fault he was over thrown the ball. If Nix connects on that we are talking about a different game and talking good about Franklin. Ya'll need to chill. Lets shift our focus on to the next game and possibility of playoffs.
Whether he overthrows or Franklin drops it doesn’t matter. Franklin SUCKS
@pedrogallegos4245 give him time bro. People were saying the same thing about Mims last year. He gets open. Just need to get him the ball. And when it's there he needs to catch it.
Franklin knows nothing about how to catch a ball.Especially a deep ball, it's not Bo's fault .😮
You're a complete casual. It IS his fault that he is getting over thrown. He can't run accurate routes.
The Chiefs are too scared of Joe Burrow.
I am not buying what the Chiefs are doing. I think they’re starting them this coming weekend. Why playcalling isn’t getting better and why on earth they are not throwing to Courtland more baffles me. Courtland wins those battles yet Sean doesn’t seem to care. If they don’t go get some elite talent this off-season then it might be time for some coaches to go away.
That hail mary throw to mims was more a great catch between two defenders than it being some crazy good throw that was all mims doing what he could to win the game and at that point payton should of went for 2 to win the game you dont go into overtime against joe burrow that was super stupid plus if it doesnt work you still have one game left to get in that should of been a easy choice to just go for the win there with how the game was going you dont want to give burrow any more chances that was super dumb. Just shows hiw syupid sean payton is he is not a great coach he is a middling coach at best he has a good resume all from dree brees being hall of fame type of qb all those years in new orleans
Everyone is talking about Nix’s (the rookie) play in O/T and whether or not they should have gone for 2. I don’t think the “analytics” figures in putting a rookie QB under the pressure of playing in O/T. I think with a rookie QB you go for 2. It’s obvious that the pressure of O/T play affected Nix’s play.
I think some of the Chiefs starters will play in the first half.
That's a long layoff.😮
Why is Brandon Stokley doing a Broncos podcast?
He ended his career there and there was an opening 😂
Stokley!!.... Down the sidelines!!!!
Bronco's were a mess two years ago. They're improving every year. I'd be happy with the progress..
Stoke...Bo has been fantastic, and he is still a rookie FFKS. Maybe not throw so many screens????
How should we all be feeling?? Does Payton have money against the Broncos?? I've not been that angry following a ballgame in a while
@stokes I’m fed up with faux uneducated ‘Broncos’ fans giving players ‘a pass’ as you say. Rookies or not these guys are pros and need to be judged on the same scale as the 10 year vets. I agree with what you said that once we started talking playoffs the scale became a different scale altogether. When you yourself raise the stakes mentioning Super Bowl YOU chose to accept the harsh grades of your play afterward
Just imagine if we still had Tim Patrick
Patrick would have Bo ROTY
Patrick hasn’t done anything on the Lions, with the exception of a few games.
Let it go dude.. he was mid at best, wouldn’t change a thing on this team
@@pillcosby3949 Did you watch the preseason? He was Bo’s favorite target he was so smart and knew how to sit in zone coverage
It would be no different than it is right now we already have a wide receiver room full of possession guys that's why we got rid of him is because we have essentially multiple copies of him
The reason we lost that game against Cincy is we don't have to quote a rocky movie " the eye of the tiger," too much? Well sitting down on the two point conversion for the win was just plain ignorant..Sean doesn't have it anymore..
Every team needs to learn how to win before becoming great!😮 Also they need to play all 4 quarters!
Denver is trying to figure that out and not doing a good job yet.
The way McLaughlin was running, Sean could have given him the ball at least 20 times.
Let's not talk about the TD that shouldn't have been a TD by the Broncos! No control over ball, tip of ball hits ground while sliding out of bounds. Not a TD
No coach wants to hear an official turn on his mike to say "Number XX for the defense.......automatic first down." This happened over and over to the Broncos the last two weeks and goes a long way toward explaining both losses.
Why are you bothered about KC resting for almost 3 weeks and try to bring Stokley down?
KC already made the playoffs unlike the Broncos, who lost two golden opportunities to make playoffs like Stokely said, plus the Chiefs played 3 games in 11 days against tough teams same for the other four teams too, to get more rest for their injured players. I like Stokeley saying if we can’t beat the KC B starters we don’t deserve playoffs.
Broncos fans should be concerned since last time Mahomes got hurt we still lost to Chiefs. And this time around reminds me of the 2006 season, where we had 3 chances to win one game to make the playoffs and lost all 3.
I’m still not understanding why Nux and Franklin can’t get on the same page how many times has Bo Nix missed him or Franklin dropped it - just seems odd
Don’t think Franklin makes the roster in 2025’
Again in ot Sean kept calling time outs it's so stupid you should have been playing for a tie 120 was allowed on that but also 120 on the throws on 3rd downs that stopped clock it would been 120 left with Cincinnati no time outs left
Terrell Davis and Sean Alexander could’ve easily been 1 and 2and moved Dickerson to 3 had they not sat them-
That being said TD will always be #1 in my book and the OL
What are the odds that a game is going to end in a tie? What are the odds you lose by a field goal or touchdown in OT? Yeah, do that math. I am sure you have a greater chance of losing in OT than ending up with a tie. Bad play calling in OT and time management on the coach, PERIOD. Denver had an equal chance to win this game but elected not to close the door on the Bengals so, the Bengals closed the door on Denver. Pass defense was to blame as well, too many way open receivers.
Come on let’s not be worried about the Chiefs. I think they’ve proven over and over again that they don’t need any one feeling that they’re making the wrong move lol
All we gotta do is beat the best team in the nfl to get in.
They going down this year
Franklin has terrible ball tracking skills. That should have been to Mims. Any Franklin target needs to go to Mims. Like mentioned Sean is always changing the skill players in and out
Play calling was bad, Troy Franklin shouldn't be out there, especially with Mims and Sutton going.
Dickerson did it in 16 games
Is it kansas sport??
Tells the truth? Holy clickbait, just call it a recap
Typical Broncos as of late…
I literally just wrote elsewhere that this is going to come back to bite them