It will be awesome if u complete testing defence with testing block, and especially test wingspan and how much it help with contest, block or steals, cause three point rating depends on it so much on taller builds
2k just be touching stuff for absolutely no reason. Last year your contest was based off where your hand was at the point of release and now we’re left with this mess smh
nah this contest point is fine they just need to increase the actual contest radius last year you could be hands down not even past the arch and niggas would still get like 4% contested. but those fuckin superman jumps on the bigs were crazy you’d start wide open and mf would teleport from the post to the arch instantly and ur 5% covered now. they just need to add hands down coverage. if i’m 7’3 on a 6’4 it doesn’t matter if my hands are down unless this nigga has a 70 inch vert he’s looking into my eyes as he shoots not the rim he can’t see that.
@@ayeeewood i like this system better. Ppl had 25 perm d last year and was still able to somewhat play defense. Especially bigs with low D. In real life a big can not guard a guard. Centers would jump from the paint and contest a corner 3 last year lmao
@@IceManD3you can still stay in front of your man if you have defense like agility and strength but most of the time my hands up contest doesn’t work. But the block button works better than hands up
Make builds that get the badges and animations you want, and have either a height or speed advantage and go with your personal play style to take advantage of everything your building
@@kobeandgaryexactly most nba 2k guys can’t play defense. It doesn’t matter what you ratings are. If you can’t read the defender, shade and know how to stay in front and react your ratings won’t help. You still need stick skills. I defend better than most with 25 on ball and 75 strength . I did this on purpose cuz I realized a long time ago if you know how to defend you don’t need high ratings especially with strength. If I ain’t have a strength I’d be fucked
@@killaB215 you can get away with it for off ball d for sure, if you playing comp tho a pg will be spamming moves to trigger ankle assassin, def gonna need on ball menace for on ball defense
@@ivstatic4136 they do it to me in 1 on1s good on ball defense is not falling for bawshit. They just dribble in space. Again. The cpu cooks me cuz they don’t do a million moves in one place but they actually move: once people move around I’m toast. But most 2k guys dribbling in place, than cross escape or heavy and stepback. It’s easy to guard . Don’t fall for the bs and don’t move ya stick as that triggers the animation . And if you bumb them that helps. They don’t wanna drive. Just spam dribble than pull. That’s simple to guard.
Yeah IQ isn’t the question it’s just a random animation I get once in a while that and also getting dragged into a screen literally when I’m not even going in that direction.
This is fine but it just makes no sense that perimeter defense doesn't actually help you play perimeter defense. They should literally change the name to perimeter shot contest. That should be the name of the stat. And they need to specifically say in the game menu when you're making your build. Agility is the direct stat to help you play defense on the perimeter as well as making cuts off ball. The game does not specifically tell you these breakdowns.
@@nba2ktutes thanks tutes now I know how I should play defense now. Because before I was thinking perm D meant staying hooked on their side . Not that it's for perimeter shot contests. Because you would think that perm shot contests would fall into challenger not on ball menace
Perimeter defense helps. Again I have high strength 75, 73 agility. But on ball defense is 25. 50 speed. I can stay in front of people cuz I have good stick skills but my shot contest with right stick sucks. Works about 40% of the time.
92 perim D is perfect, I feel just as impactful as on my 99 perim D build - this year it is a bit silly to make a pure lock when you can hybrid it and be just as effective, just strive for 86-92 agility if you want to play high level D
@CurtThaFlirt this is so wrong I have bronze immovable and i use nuisance take over on my 2 way 2 guard and it force ball pick ups and get bump steals and layup up steals with out even trying immovable always pop-ups up on those situations too. I think most things focus more on attribute this year than badges. for example with 96 dunk even with no dunk equip you can still get contacts... yes I tested this. badges just help you unlock "bonus animations". I think the fact i get so much strength it almost impossible for weaker guards to get past me. just for reference nuisance gives you strength, agility, and perimeter d. on ball menace+ immovable, with that Takeover you literally become a nuisance on defense. I have low steal and block too with no badges, still get blocks and steals some how...😅😅 and only have 87 perimeter
Got 74 perimeter d on my PF with 83 strength for the cutoff animation. You can definitely feel the lack of shot contest before upgrading perimeter d up to 74.
It’s the strength bro. Strength is so important . I have 75 strength and 25 on b. Had it since launch. I’m upgrade my defense last because you don’t need it if you can play defense !
Love the defense in this game. The problem people have though is they don’t upgrade their strength along with perimeter so they don’t get both the bumps and cut-offs. As for the offense, I much prefer contest at start-up than release. Ghost contests from lockdowns last 2K were absolutely stupid.
There’s not even a need to put a hand up anymore. I can just stand in front of them and get tight contest it’s broken asf. I miss hand placement being the factor of shot contest
It hurts 7' being they can only put 65 perimeter on their builds. Smaller builds can stop a taller build shooting outside, and a taller build is useless without blocking the ball. Seems unfair
last night alone, i got 4 blocks on jump shooters in just 2 games. yes the contest isn’t there as much but people mess their own timings up seeing a 7’3 coming at them
I have yet to have anything higher than a light contest, even when guys jump into me, on my 7'1" shooter. Big don't have enough perimeter and the gaurds are too small.
@@W2Tymes brother did you actually even comprehend what he said?😭 he said guards can contest bigs so it’s unfair and I said small guards can’t get contests
this is a step in the right direction imo but they need to add a few things like resistance to stun animations, and ankle breakers. the biggest thing they need to add imo is more contest animations for lower rated defenders so its much more clear that you're a bad defender.
I got a 55P defense and still clamp ppl up. If the person has a high jumpshot then it is a bit hard to contest but any other normal jumpshots are easily guardable if you can get to your opponent on time. Plus ppl are less likely to take a contested shot
Bail out ? If you failed to get open in any situation, that’s on the user. Example if my big is guarding you but you can’t get yourself open and force up a highly contested shot, that’s not a bail out. A bail out is being able to just chuck up ridiculous shots and the contest always registers open
@@ayeeewood you guys just interpret comments as whatever you want it seems 😂 Ik what i meant and i guess so did the 15 people agreeing with me... I just like that even with 99 block unlike previous 2ks...with no interior and perimeter defense... you will hardly ever impact contest %
The fact that you was asked this. Just shows how many don't want to play defense. They just are trying to figure out where they can steal points to throw on offense
The thing is you need agility for this stat to matter, kinda how you need strength for interior d to matter. Why I chose to max out agility on my sf build
Are you using skill dunks? Just about anything that looks remotely dunkable will be available and you don't have to wonder if you're going in strong or not.
@@Thelonous ive tried using them some, and get pulled out of that s as also. My dunk is an 89 and i get the pro contacts, so maybe its not high enough idk. Many situations ill have a clear lane and try to dunk and my animation slows down and allow someone to recover and take me out of it
I just think it’s funny that nothing is mentioned about actually stick skill. Knowing when to use L2 and R2 and knowing when to just use the stick. That’s the real problem lol folks tryna play off attributes and badges, not skill.
I never had a problem with getting contests. Sometimes it might be “open” but they could have an“A” defensive immunity jump shot so maybe that plays a role. However if I’m there before they start shooting then it’s a yellow (mostly).
I have a similar big. Only way you can stop a shooter with this guy is jumping and blocking his shot. I've done it a few times. But once they find out you have to jump, they will cook you
Not sure if there’s a way to test but strip steals has to be the most OP animation in the game. If someone slashes to the paint all you have to do is wait for their lay-up or dunk animation to start and press the steal button. There’s a very high chance you will strip them even if they have a high ball handle and there’s nothing they can do to prevent it.
I played like 10 rec games without bronze immovable enforcer (was still upgrading stuff) and ever since i unlocked the badge it's been a world of difference
I personally am NOT a fan of what 2K did with perimeter defense. Speed and Acceleration vs Speed and Agility. To be a good Pure Lock I now have to invest in agility when before it was all about Perimeter defense. Attribute points that could be going somewhere else have to now be invested in agility.
The problem is, its dangerous to jump at a shot in game. Its way smarter to just put hands up to protect the possible drive. I have 95 Perimeter and it feels useless
Thought I was the only one I have 2 6’3 pgs One with 94 perim d ( was gonna cap to 96) and the other has 75 and there is literally no difference in contest , only difference is I get bopped a lil more on the 75
Got 74 perimeter d on my PF with 83 strength for the cutoff animation. You can definitely feel the lack of shot contest before upgrading perimeter d up to 74. I assume interior defense acts similarly?
Also remember it’s a % covered system. So it would be something like this wide open is 0% contest open is 0-10% Light pressure 20-50% Tight 50-70 Very tight 70-100 Something like that, we don’t know the exact numbers anymore tho.
theres more than shot contests to perimeter defense rating. Its easier to cut drives off, bump steals and if you sit on their shooting pocket they cant make 3s unless they run around screens
It’s not that important dog I was 6’7 and dominated 2 7footers at the same time, just got to know how to play center and knowing angles. If this your first time at center DONT DO IT , go 7’0 first see how the paint works
Can we do on ball menace because I feel like when people slash to the paint.. I never get cut off and a lot of the time they tend to just blow past me regardless if I'm body to body and I have 85 perimeter and 60 strength as a PG.
Nice study. So perimeter defense affects the offensive player’s shot feedback. The higher the perimeter D, the higher the pressure. But actual block means useless without perimeter D, so it’s just an animation. What a waste of attributes.
When I first made my build he felt faster and was dunking real good without any dunk package equip once I bought the contact dunks and contact alley oop and installed them in my dunk package my player would no longer dunk he would only do layups
Literally just put my build to a 85 perimeter after using a 91 there was no clear difference still sliding same cutoff animations literally is useless this year
I feel you. i looked at everything that came with it being high and decided silver badges w/85 will suffice and my speed/ agility will make up for everything else. Defense is chess not checkers.
@@jc890 came to the conclusion that block and interior defense for post lockdown are the only thing that matter this year perimeter is for contest and cutoffs which seem irrelevant at times. Took it down and put it to strength
does wingspan have any effect on how effective perim d is (bumps and pickups)? Irl that’s an obvious yes but by 2k logic, when you raise your wingspan, your strength threshold drops. since strength and perim d go hand in hand, i’m wondering if a higher wingspan actually makes perim d worse.
The thing is though I have an 85 perimeter, 85 strength, and 80 agility. Im getting blown by and my contests are either light or open. Makes no sense when Im playing good defense and the offense gets bailed out.
@@kenk3729 fr bro Im not saying Im a lockdown defender but Im not as trash as it seems I am this year lol. How I damn near foul you on the contest and it says open???
It’s you. Skill issue. What’s your speed. I have 25 on ball. 75 strength . 73 agility. 50 speed. I can’t contest but I can do my job untill it’s time to contest. I stay in front of my man.
I making a new build, going with 7'0 big that can only get 62 PD and i was hoping my 84 block would help contest outside but this is making me rethink the build.
No, without perimeter defense this year, your shot contest is basically invisible. I can't say if 60 is good enough...or if it's really about the challenger badge, which you get at 71
I was thinking about making center with very low perimeter defense since i cant go pass 65 perimeter d. It useless otherwise because guards are still going to shoot in my face or snap my ankles regardless.
I get the attribute part but what about the relation between badges. Like on ball menace + immovable enforcer vs physical handle? I made a lock with those 2 badges on hof and I had 95 strength but doncic can easily blow by me because he got hof physical handle
Without a minimum level of perimeter defense (not sure where exactly), even if you heavily contest the shot, it has minimal effect. I have 2 bigs, one with none and one with 71 for the challenger badge...I don't know if it's the badge or the attribute, but I make shooters brick all the time...while the big with nothing is literally invisible to shooters
Been hunting for a minimum stat that will contest a corner camper that I inevitably have to stand next to. I haven’t played a game yet but everybody is saying that once my opponent knows I have no perimeter d, they can openly shoot even if I’m in their face. Not even a slightly contested if my defense is perfect?
@@Davemond-t No...your shot contest is now based almost entirely on your perimeter defense rating. Height no longer makes up for having a low rating. In fact, any time I get a 7ft or larger center on me, I am looking to pull up because I know their rating is probably low. The only thing they can do is jump at you, which due to their high block rating will get a swat sometimes. Also, it came out that hands up contest in general seems to be bugged...because not putting hands up will a lot of the time give you a tighter contest somehow. This will probably be patched though. As far as rating...I gave my 6'10 PF 73 perimeter defense, so I can get bronze challenger and pick dodger...I definitely make people miss a lot of shots using hands up contest. But baiting corner shooters into taking partially contested shots, or closing out on a guard after switching, it has been nerfed from older 2K's. People are making a decent amount of greens on my closeouts. So 70's is good, but not great
@@Davemond-t No...your shot contest is now based almost entirely on your perimeter defense rating. Height no longer makes up for having a low rating. In fact, any time I get a 7ft or larger center on me, I am looking to pull up because I know their rating is probably low. The only thing they can do is jump at you, which due to their high block rating will get a swat sometimes
@@Davemond-t As far as rating goes...I gave my 6'10 PF 73 perimeter defense, so I can get bronze challenger and pick dodger...I definitely make people brick a lot using hands up contest. But baiting corner shooters into taking partially contested shots, or closing out on a guard after switching...this has been nerfed from older 2K's. People are making a decent amount of greens on my closeouts. So 70's is good, but not great
@@kuruptzZz damn alright. Thank you for the insight. Might have to be a liability unless that strategy of running into the shooter and leaving your hands down keeps working.
bigs should be able to contest other bigs jumpers without needing perimiter defense. this makes me question is it the same in the post? like even if it’s not in the paint. what about just a midrange. IE, embiid spots up for a midrange, a player like gobert gets a similar contest to tatums but he has no perimeter, will he get a contest ?
i was thinking this the other day when i upgraded my defense from 65 to 85. i feel like im playing worst defense than at 65. i had 65 perimeter 60 interior 91 steal 80 speed 84 agility and i was playing great defense. now at 85 perimeter and its the same no real difference even with all the badges now.
not useless at all, silver off ball pest is night and day to bronze, and to get immovable enforcer is a bigger bonus. even if you don't have high interior just make sure your block is up with your vertical then you're sweet
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Can you do jumpshots
please test postfade phenom in relation to post control rating
Can you please test shifty shooter
Wingspan effectiveness! Where the sweetspot
It will be awesome if u complete testing defence with testing block, and especially test wingspan and how much it help with contest, block or steals, cause three point rating depends on it so much on taller builds
2k just be touching stuff for absolutely no reason. Last year your contest was based off where your hand was at the point of release and now we’re left with this mess smh
nah this contest point is fine they just need to increase the actual contest radius last year you could be hands down not even past the arch and niggas would still get like 4% contested. but those fuckin superman jumps on the bigs were crazy you’d start wide open and mf would teleport from the post to the arch instantly and ur 5% covered now. they just need to add hands down coverage. if i’m 7’3 on a 6’4 it doesn’t matter if my hands are down unless this nigga has a 70 inch vert he’s looking into my eyes as he shoots not the rim he can’t see that.
@@ayeeewood i like this system better. Ppl had 25 perm d last year and was still able to somewhat play defense. Especially bigs with low D. In real life a big can not guard a guard. Centers would jump from the paint and contest a corner 3 last year lmao
@@IceManD3you can still stay in front of your man if you have defense like agility and strength but most of the time my hands up contest doesn’t work. But the block button works better than hands up
@@killaB215 hands up works if you have good perm D.
@@IceManD3 yeah I don’t have that. Only 25 on ball defense.
it makes sense perimeter d is force contesting perimeter shots ... strenght and agility are actually the one that gonna help u cut of defenders
No it doesn't shot contest have nothing to do with defensive ability yes it should be easier to play defense but if your there then your there
Make builds that get the badges and animations you want, and have either a height or speed advantage and go with your personal play style to take advantage of everything your building
The point of perimeter is for badges, such as on ball menace and pick dodger so you don’t get ankle breakers when defending good dribblers
The point of perimeter defense, is for playing defense on the perimeter, including contesting shots.
@@kobeandgaryexactly most nba 2k guys can’t play defense. It doesn’t matter what you ratings are. If you can’t read the defender, shade and know how to stay in front and react your ratings won’t help. You still need stick skills. I defend better than most with 25 on ball and 75 strength . I did this on purpose cuz I realized a long time ago if you know how to defend you don’t need high ratings especially with strength. If I ain’t have a strength I’d be fucked
@@killaB215 you can get away with it for off ball d for sure, if you playing comp tho a pg will be spamming moves to trigger ankle assassin, def gonna need on ball menace for on ball defense
@@ivstatic4136 they do it to me in 1 on1s good on ball defense is not falling for bawshit. They just dribble in space. Again. The cpu cooks me cuz they don’t do a million moves in one place but they actually move: once people move around I’m toast. But most 2k guys dribbling in place, than cross escape or heavy and stepback. It’s easy to guard . Don’t fall for the bs and don’t move ya stick as that triggers the animation . And if you bumb them that helps. They don’t wanna drive. Just spam dribble than pull. That’s simple to guard.
@@ivstatic4136 I’m actually gon wager against a comp guy who was talking shit. So ima test that out
I have an 80 defense and my guy will literally act like he trips and steps on his toes from how bad the defense is. 😂
Or you got no defense iq
What's your agility
Yeah IQ isn’t the question it’s just a random animation I get once in a while that and also getting dragged into a screen literally when I’m not even going in that direction.
@@soulreaver900you need ability and strength. Strength is more important tho
@@killaB215 yeah possibly strength is what I’m going to assume cause that’s the lowest attribute from the 3.
This is fine but it just makes no sense that perimeter defense doesn't actually help you play perimeter defense. They should literally change the name to perimeter shot contest. That should be the name of the stat. And they need to specifically say in the game menu when you're making your build. Agility is the direct stat to help you play defense on the perimeter as well as making cuts off ball. The game does not specifically tell you these breakdowns.
That’s why I’m here haha
That part
@@nba2ktutes thanks tutes now I know how I should play defense now. Because before I was thinking perm D meant staying hooked on their side . Not that it's for perimeter shot contests. Because you would think that perm shot contests would fall into challenger not on ball menace
Of course it helps you play defense how else you suppose to get on ball menace and immovable enforcer
Perimeter defense helps. Again I have high strength 75, 73 agility. But on ball defense is 25. 50 speed. I can stay in front of people cuz I have good stick skills but my shot contest with right stick sucks. Works about 40% of the time.
0:53 the one with 99 perimeter has a lot more energy
92 perim D is perfect, I feel just as impactful as on my 99 perim D build - this year it is a bit silly to make a pure lock when you can hybrid it and be just as effective, just strive for 86-92 agility if you want to play high level D
Whats wrong with 85 agility ?
I meannn… that’s the only way u can get immovable enforcer… ima always put that up!
This badge feels useless at silver and below idk. Maybe I’m doing something wrong but I don’t feel the effects of immovable enforcer
Only works when the ball handler is going straight at you. On ball menace gives the cut offs at angles
i thought I needed it too but Immovable enforcer is useless unless u have it on gold or higher tbh
@CurtThaFlirt this is so wrong I have bronze immovable and i use nuisance take over on my 2 way 2 guard and it force ball pick ups and get bump steals and layup up steals with out even trying immovable always pop-ups up on those situations too. I think most things focus more on attribute this year than badges. for example with 96 dunk even with no dunk equip you can still get contacts... yes I tested this. badges just help you unlock "bonus animations". I think the fact i get so much strength it almost impossible for weaker guards to get past me. just for reference nuisance gives you strength, agility, and perimeter d. on ball menace+ immovable, with that Takeover you literally become a nuisance on defense. I have low steal and block too with no badges, still get blocks and steals some how...😅😅 and only have 87 perimeter
It’s not worthless, when you touch the ball handler they lose adrenaline, fumble the ball and get stun animation from all the badges you have
Got 74 perimeter d on my PF with 83 strength for the cutoff animation. You can definitely feel the lack of shot contest before upgrading perimeter d up to 74.
It’s the strength bro. Strength is so important . I have 75 strength and 25 on b. Had it since launch. I’m upgrade my defense last because you don’t need it if you can play defense !
Love the defense in this game. The problem people have though is they don’t upgrade their strength along with perimeter so they don’t get both the bumps and cut-offs.
As for the offense, I much prefer contest at start-up than release. Ghost contests from lockdowns last 2K were absolutely stupid.
There’s not even a need to put a hand up anymore. I can just stand in front of them and get tight contest it’s broken asf. I miss hand placement being the factor of shot contest
How tall are u and what’s ur perimeter d rating and challenger badge on
It hurts 7' being they can only put 65 perimeter on their builds. Smaller builds can stop a taller build shooting outside, and a taller build is useless without blocking the ball. Seems unfair
No it’s not. Smaller builds barely get contests. I have a 7’0 ft and unless you’re a 6’9 and up, it’s hard to get contested
last night alone, i got 4 blocks on jump shooters in just 2 games. yes the contest isn’t there as much but people mess their own timings up seeing a 7’3 coming at them
I have yet to have anything higher than a light contest, even when guys jump into me, on my 7'1" shooter.
Big don't have enough perimeter and the gaurds are too small.
@prodigyiq7439 you're SMALL. You shouldn't get contests. Your advantage for that disadvantage is speed. It's unbalanced as stated.
@@W2Tymes brother did you actually even comprehend what he said?😭 he said guards can contest bigs so it’s unfair and I said small guards can’t get contests
this is a step in the right direction imo but they need to add a few things like resistance to stun animations, and ankle breakers. the biggest thing they need to add imo is more contest animations for lower rated defenders so its much more clear that you're a bad defender.
Please test timing stabilities impact. I’m confused that they brought it back after they removed it last year. Thanks for the content Tutes!
Thanks for the suggestion!
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It probably means nothing tbh
I got a 55P defense and still clamp ppl up. If the person has a high jumpshot then it is a bit hard to contest but any other normal jumpshots are easily guardable if you can get to your opponent on time. Plus ppl are less likely to take a contested shot
Bro all perimeter defense does is keep you from falling when someone does a crossover
Very interesting this year how block isn't bailing out anyone without interior or perimeter D
It def does I get blocks with a 6’3
@@parisbrannigan1009 thanks for proving my point 😭
Bail out ? If you failed to get open in any situation, that’s on the user. Example if my big is guarding you but you can’t get yourself open and force up a highly contested shot, that’s not a bail out. A bail out is being able to just chuck up ridiculous shots and the contest always registers open
@@ayeeewood you guys just interpret comments as whatever you want it seems 😂
Ik what i meant and i guess so did the 15 people agreeing with me... I just like that even with 99 block unlike previous 2ks...with no interior and perimeter defense... you will hardly ever impact contest %
The fact that you was asked this. Just shows how many don't want to play defense. They just are trying to figure out where they can steal points to throw on offense
I mean, it’s a good test because the shot contest system kinda bad… even with Gold or HOF perimeter badges **WITH HANDS UP**
Don’t Buff Shooting ✔️
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@@Owatupcuz 😂😂😂
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Why ?
It’s a joke how someone can make more early-late shots than being able to actually time your jumper and green it
The thing is you need agility for this stat to matter, kinda how you need strength for interior d to matter. Why I chose to max out agility on my sf build
Topic recommendation :- paid shooting boosts vs no shooting boosts
For the lateral movement you should do it on the actual perimeter, I have noticed quicker and more hip attachment when above the 3 point line
All through the years I tested it on the baseline and it worked there. This year I tested agility and speed on the baseline and it worked.
Can you test how different heights with the same perimeter defense gets contests? And on offense how contested you are at different heights.
Can you test scoop layups, and what makes us get pulled out of dunk animations. Like what is the best way to trigger layups and dunks
Are you using skill dunks? Just about anything that looks remotely dunkable will be available and you don't have to wonder if you're going in strong or not.
@@Thelonous ive tried using them some, and get pulled out of that s as also. My dunk is an 89 and i get the pro contacts, so maybe its not high enough idk. Many situations ill have a clear lane and try to dunk and my animation slows down and allow someone to recover and take me out of it
I just think it’s funny that nothing is mentioned about actually stick skill. Knowing when to use L2 and R2 and knowing when to just use the stick. That’s the real problem lol folks tryna play off attributes and badges, not skill.
I never had a problem with getting contests. Sometimes it might be “open” but they could have an“A” defensive immunity jump shot so maybe that plays a role. However if I’m there before they start shooting then it’s a yellow (mostly).
Wow I was noticing this last night running with my big. 37 perimeter & 88 block & the other players shot was open
I have a similar big. Only way you can stop a shooter with this guy is jumping and blocking his shot. I've done it a few times. But once they find out you have to jump, they will cook you
Preciate the tests, but can you also test the percentages on makes & misses based on attributes & badges?
I pray the game gets fixed I’m having fun 🙏🏽
Not sure if there’s a way to test but strip steals has to be the most OP animation in the game. If someone slashes to the paint all you have to do is wait for their lay-up or dunk animation to start and press the steal button.
There’s a very high chance you will strip them even if they have a high ball handle and there’s nothing they can do to prevent it.
A suggestion would be to start the tests for the contest percentage for each base and release earlier this year.
Once ppl find out you have no perimeter they about to let it rain 😭
If perimeter is trash this year then I might as wee go from 85 to 80 on attributes and put it somewhere else fr.
I played like 10 rec games without bronze immovable enforcer (was still upgrading stuff) and ever since i unlocked the badge it's been a world of difference
I personally am NOT a fan of what 2K did with perimeter defense. Speed and Acceleration vs Speed and Agility. To be a good Pure Lock I now have to invest in agility when before it was all about Perimeter defense. Attribute points that could be going somewhere else have to now be invested in agility.
Defense let me down so bad this year, 17 defense was so perfect, automatic schot contest and everything. I still prefer nba Live defense
Higher perimeter against a lower shooting rating will give you ghost contests
The problem is, its dangerous to jump at a shot in game. Its way smarter to just put hands up to protect the possible drive. I have 95 Perimeter and it feels useless
Thought I was the only one
I have 2 6’3 pgs
One with 94 perim d ( was gonna cap to 96) and the other has 75 and there is literally no difference in contest , only difference is I get bopped a lil more on the 75
Hold the right stick up to contest, 9/10 it’s gone make you jump at them anyways
@@treyon9190 you should know by now that the contest system is broken and holding up right stick is worse than having your hands down. Look it up bro
Thanks for doing these tests! Helping people make builds because 2k isn’t transparent
Tutes, can you make a video on shot timing stability? See if maybe it helps with the whole green window changing
Got 74 perimeter d on my PF with 83 strength for the cutoff animation. You can definitely feel the lack of shot contest before upgrading perimeter d up to 74.
I assume interior defense acts similarly?
What level difficulty are the game modes on? Park, proam,proving grounds,and rec.
Also remember it’s a % covered system. So it would be something like this
wide open is 0% contest
open is 0-10%
Light pressure 20-50%
Tight 50-70
Very tight 70-100
Something like that, we don’t know the exact numbers anymore tho.
theres more than shot contests to perimeter defense rating. Its easier to cut drives off, bump steals and if you sit on their shooting pocket they cant make 3s unless they run around screens
Great video really helpful. How about testing wingspan for contest, steal and rebounding?
How does height vs perimeter D affect jumpsuit contest? Since taller builds are limited perimeter D.
Tutes Can you test how important height is for rebounding, 6’9 vs 7 footers
It’s not that important dog I was 6’7 and dominated 2 7footers at the same time, just got to know how to play center and knowing angles. If this your first time at center DONT DO IT , go 7’0 first see how the paint works
what is more important to challenge jumpeshots? wing,badge,perimeter? plz
Hey bro great video. 2k need you on their payroll. Have you done one on deadeye yet? Wondering how good it really is.
Can we do on ball menace because I feel like when people slash to the paint.. I never get cut off and a lot of the time they tend to just blow past me regardless if I'm body to body and I have 85 perimeter and 60 strength as a PG.
When you were doing these, were the badges maxed on the Challenger badge to either Hall of Fame, Gold, Silver, etc...?
Tutes can you do a video on paint patroller like this one? great content
If you haven’t already can you PLEASE do a deep dive into legend passing badges dimer versatile visionary etc
In other words utilize agility and strength more than the attributes, that’s mainly for badges
Nice study. So perimeter defense affects the offensive player’s shot feedback. The higher the perimeter D, the higher the pressure. But actual block means useless without perimeter D, so it’s just an animation. What a waste of attributes.
i wish he did this on a small guard & not tall axx JT
96 steal
86+ agility
85+ speed
85+ strength
Perimeter can be at 75 at that point
You're welcome
nice video. Can you test vertical w rebounder with taller & shorter builds?
2:36 this makes perimeter defense very important
Once again great topic ✅ , I would love to know about vertical I’ve seen low vertical do almost as good a high vertical .
When I first made my build he felt faster and was dunking real good without any dunk package equip once I bought the contact dunks and contact alley oop and installed them in my dunk package my player would no longer dunk he would only do layups
They force you to be a meter dunker
@@Wijoohhow do you actually do the meter dunk?
@@idontrte just started doing it when wide open the last few days and I’ve got the timing down now but for contact dunks it’s still very wishy washy
Idk if you did a block video yet. But is block even worth putting high up if it’s an all or nothing attribute?
Literally just put my build to a 85 perimeter after using a 91 there was no clear difference still sliding same cutoff animations literally is useless this year
I got 92 and it's a waste
the point is the badges
I feel you. i looked at everything that came with it being high and decided silver badges w/85 will suffice and my speed/ agility will make up for everything else. Defense is chess not checkers.
@@jc890 came to the conclusion that block and interior defense for post lockdown are the only thing that matter this year perimeter is for contest and cutoffs which seem irrelevant at times. Took it down and put it to strength
@@winznolosses Yeaa since I realized that’s all it does I put it to strength and get even more cutoffs w silver on ball menace
2k killing defense man smh
Please can u mesure the arm length ? For rebond, block , contest, close shot and layup? Must be really interesting
does wingspan have any effect on how effective perim d is (bumps and pickups)? Irl that’s an obvious yes but by 2k logic, when you raise your wingspan, your strength threshold drops. since strength and perim d go hand in hand, i’m wondering if a higher wingspan actually makes perim d worse.
The thing is though I have an 85 perimeter, 85 strength, and 80 agility. Im getting blown by and my contests are either light or open. Makes no sense when Im playing good defense and the offense gets bailed out.
Same crap happening to me. Like I'm a cone smh. Then 2k players wanna chat nonsense
@@kenk3729 fr bro Im not saying Im a lockdown defender but Im not as trash as it seems I am this year lol. How I damn near foul you on the contest and it says open???
It’s you. Skill issue. What’s your speed. I have 25 on ball. 75 strength . 73 agility. 50 speed. I can’t contest but I can do my job untill it’s time to contest. I stay in front of my man.
That strong handles badge kills perimeter defense gives ball handler blow bys
I making a new build, going with 7'0 big that can only get 62 PD and i was hoping my 84 block would help contest outside but this is making me rethink the build.
Pretty sure your long ass arms and height matter too. Unfortunately that wasn't covered in this video.
@@Thelonous ah yes, that would have been a great year, PD with trex arms vs wemby arms.
No, without perimeter defense this year, your shot contest is basically invisible. I can't say if 60 is good enough...or if it's really about the challenger badge, which you get at 71
86 perimeter, 90 speed ,88 agility
I was thinking about making center with very low perimeter defense since i cant go pass 65 perimeter d. It useless otherwise because guards are still going to shoot in my face or snap my ankles regardless.
How does perimeter defense match against ankle breakers you maybe able to move at the same pace but if you touching earth every cross over
Does vertical affect rebounding? It logically should but makes me curious. Really debating in my new build
I don't feel the difference its usually immovable enforcer that help perimeter seems like its its only good for the badges you can get
What are the best values for perimeter d? Is unamovible enforce worthy this year ??
Whats the best perimeter def for a point guard??
How about Challenger? Does that play a role too?
Thanks for the suggestion!
Bro 99 block and 99 perimeter that shit should be a block 100 out of 100 times
I get the attribute part but what about the relation between badges. Like on ball menace + immovable enforcer vs physical handle? I made a lock with those 2 badges on hof and I had 95 strength but doncic can easily blow by me because he got hof physical handle
Now I'm wondering how much of a impact challenger has on shot contest 🤔
Don’t put no perimeter or interior defense up so I can get them blow by animations
We still need layup timing profiles and real player % bro
You should do passing effectiveness. Doesn't seem to be hugely important
6'10 + motion styles please
it's coming!
Pascal siakam is still the best
@@joshjohnson9040why? Please explain so I can know more
Without a minimum level of perimeter defense (not sure where exactly), even if you heavily contest the shot, it has minimal effect. I have 2 bigs, one with none and one with 71 for the challenger badge...I don't know if it's the badge or the attribute, but I make shooters brick all the time...while the big with nothing is literally invisible to shooters
Been hunting for a minimum stat that will contest a corner camper that I inevitably have to stand next to. I haven’t played a game yet but everybody is saying that once my opponent knows I have no perimeter d, they can openly shoot even if I’m in their face. Not even a slightly contested if my defense is perfect?
@@Davemond-t No...your shot contest is now based almost entirely on your perimeter defense rating. Height no longer makes up for having a low rating. In fact, any time I get a 7ft or larger center on me, I am looking to pull up because I know their rating is probably low. The only thing they can do is jump at you, which due to their high block rating will get a swat sometimes.
Also, it came out that hands up contest in general seems to be bugged...because not putting hands up will a lot of the time give you a tighter contest somehow. This will probably be patched though.
As far as rating...I gave my 6'10 PF 73 perimeter defense, so I can get bronze challenger and pick dodger...I definitely make people miss a lot of shots using hands up contest. But baiting corner shooters into taking partially contested shots, or closing out on a guard after switching, it has been nerfed from older 2K's. People are making a decent amount of greens on my closeouts. So 70's is good, but not great
@@Davemond-t No...your shot contest is now based almost entirely on your perimeter defense rating. Height no longer makes up for having a low rating. In fact, any time I get a 7ft or larger center on me, I am looking to pull up because I know their rating is probably low. The only thing they can do is jump at you, which due to their high block rating will get a swat sometimes
@@Davemond-t As far as rating goes...I gave my 6'10 PF 73 perimeter defense, so I can get bronze challenger and pick dodger...I definitely make people brick a lot using hands up contest. But baiting corner shooters into taking partially contested shots, or closing out on a guard after switching...this has been nerfed from older 2K's. People are making a decent amount of greens on my closeouts. So 70's is good, but not great
@@kuruptzZz damn alright. Thank you for the insight. Might have to be a liability unless that strategy of running into the shooter and leaving your hands down keeps working.
WE SKATING: WHILE THE OFFENSE ESCAPING 🤣👍GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS 2K
bigs should be able to contest other bigs jumpers without needing perimiter defense. this makes me question is it the same in the post? like even if it’s not in the paint. what about just a midrange. IE, embiid spots up for a midrange, a player like gobert gets a similar contest to tatums but he has no perimeter, will he get a contest ?
What bout the passing itself @nba2ktutes
i was thinking this the other day when i upgraded my defense from 65 to 85. i feel like im playing worst defense than at 65. i had 65 perimeter 60 interior 91 steal 80 speed 84 agility and i was playing great defense. now at 85 perimeter and its the same no real difference even with all the badges now.
Strength more important . When I get goat badge activated in my career and my ratings get a boost I can feel the different
@@killaB215 for sure
Perimeter defense is for not getting your ankles broken and to get around screens
Can you test vertical? I have a 6’7 with 85 vertical I want to see if there’s a drastic difference from 86-90-95-99
Prim D or Steal .. which one do yous value more??
Ngl 92 feel like 87. I have gold immovable for both. Im not too impressed with 92. I just got good on-ball and its marginally better
Should I go 74 perimeter and 70 interior or not I think it’s a good all around
Gotta test on ball steals i swear they do not work this year
They do
Can you do timing stability or is it the same as last year
Does this mean hands up defense in the paint included too this aswell ?
not useless at all, silver off ball pest is night and day to bronze, and to get immovable enforcer is a bigger bonus. even if you don't have high interior just make sure your block is up with your vertical then you're sweet