World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen's verdict on The Queen's Gambit
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Norwegian World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen gives his verdict on the hit Netflix show The Queen's Gambit and the character of Beth Harmon, played by Anya Taylor-Joy!
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Really? I didnt know that.
Meanwhile the chess community continues to ignore the breakthrough that has been made in piece value. Chess is an expression of Pi.
ua-cam.com/video/Eqk3hddssB0/v-deo.html you’ll love this
Waiting for AfuroSamurai vs Carlsen v3
:)
Movies are obsessed with gifted people versus working hard. No doubt talent plays a role but every top chess player spends a lot of time studying the game.
💯
She studied the game for the time between when she ate all the pills and the time when she entered the tournament
It is all work. Forget this talent nonsense.
Y
And Magnus has like a 170 IQ, so anybody arguing that talent doesn't help is too stupid to argue with.
He's so straightforward. Didn't hesitate to call out both good and bad of the show. I loved when he didn't try to pretend as if he had to struggle too much and conditions were not favourable.
It's a mainly American notion that Champions are created by great adversity and overcoming. I.e. "the underdog". There's nearly a disgust here of the person born of privilege becoming a champion. It's why, for example, top sports athletes who didn't have a difficult childhood simply don't talk about it. People hate it when someone born on 3rd base scores a run.
@@jcasetnl 💯
Hahaha yeah, but that is the Norwegian way. We tend to be pretty straightforward. I remember working for a company that got taken over by an American one. We where so straightforward with what we where good and bad with that the Americans were simply shocked later to understand that we where a lot better than they had thought. I think they had simply thought we had downplayed our weaknesses.
Also most people in Norway have very balanced lives including most of the stars, big athletes etc.
@@jcasetnl There may be some difference between Norway and a lot of other countries in this regard though. I have read about athletes coming over here from other countries. And a key difference is that in a lot of other countries there is a strong belief that to reach the top kids have to be put under immense pressure. They are pushed and pushed and pushed until they cry. Thus becoming a champion in many countries can be very traumatic.
In Norway the belief is always in that success has to be built upon internal self motivation and drive rather than external pressure. A Norwegian skiing, skating etc couch is far more hands off. They don't micro manage you. Their job is teach you have to be your own couch. How to learn your own body and how to set drive yourself forward.
I think that makes a lot of difference. I remember running/jogging in middle school and having to met all these goals. I absolutely hated running. Years later when I did it myself. I found that I was able to drive myself much harder and achieve more when I was in the drivers seat myself. When I was the one setting the goals, and deciding when to run. How far to run etc. I think being in charge makes a big difference in how you experience the struggle of reaching for a goal.
One of the many things i loved about this series is that it shows Beth’s hard work in constantly studying and honing her skills with such conscientiousness. She doesn’t just settle for her gift, she keeps working hard. I loved it.
who said no chessboard on ceiling. there is stockfish on the ceiling....
hikaru would know
I wish
Alphazeroooooooo
Just to make hikaru angry.😆😆🥴
i thought stockfish was in the lip balm
Great verdict by Magnus. Really touching how he copares Beth's life and experiences with his...
shit like this should be the top comment not... eh, leave it to people to be funny I guess
@@andrejpetrov6352 Thank you my dude!
@@andrejpetrov6352 Great verdict by Andrej Petrov. Really touching how he compares Wannadosth's comment with the funny, most liked ones...
@@s1mphuntr nice reply lol.
This is obviously a paid endorsement. Amazing, how people do not see this. That's why advertising works and goofs like Tump can bamboozle half of the nation and win the presidency.
Magnus: “Chess Players don’t see a board on the ceiling”
Hikaru: “and I took that personally”
Sorry, can you explain me ?
@@lio220 Hikaru always looks at the celling when he thinks of chess moves and it is kind of a meme because of how much he does it.
@@shinobi0474 OK thank you !
So Hikaru is MJ of chess world?
Even I can see a chess board on the ceiling....Oh, wait.....
Overall queen's gambit was good drama.
Yep, sometimes Netflix do create gems like this.
@@prajwalkrishnabhat5539 netflix?
@@prajwalkrishnabhat5539 I’m having a hard time if you meant to write “great” or “create” and it’s bothering me 🤣🤣
@@olpizl yep. It's a Netflix original.
I loved it
"Men are gonna come along and try to teach you things."
*UA-cam:* Magnus' verdict on the Queen's Gambit
i didnt know a comment or reaction was "teaching" a fictional female character anything. Magnus does have a pretty awesome trainer app for teaching incidentally.
Literally 👏🙄
That's why it's called entertainment and not a documentary.
where's my docutainment?
Tarskybull Beme you just made that up
@@jdtv50 Entermentary
the entermentary is called "playing chess yourself" xD
You think documentaries are not also entertainment?
Magnus: What do you say about our game?
Vidit: YES.
Some parts of the show were not realistic, but it was a lot of fun to watch. I loved the young Beth's confidence when signing up for her first tournament :)
come on, we need a magnus film
There is a film about him called Magnus that's available on Prime Video right now
@@jon-e-worldwide are you sure? I can’t find it
@@jonasloe4926 Look up Magnus Film 2016 on Google
@@jonasloe4926 ua-cam.com/video/Z-yZX6xG7A8/v-deo.html
Not diverse enough
Not the best editing at the end. Magnus was just starting to talk about how he would love to see women do better in chess and feel more included and you cut it off after his first sentence 🤦♂️
Magnus' English has gotten quite better over time. Damn
He speaks English better than most Americans do. Sad. Bigly sad.
@@sarco64 His English used to be... interesting to put that way
Can’t unsee: one side of his mustache is longer than the other and is overlapping his lip.
lmfao u right
Mine too😭
It isn't and it doesn't. He has a rash or a swollen lip.
@@larsberglund stfu 😑
@@_GandalfTheGrey_ Sorry to disappoint you.
So basically it was about as good as it gets in terms of a drama about chess designed to keep the average viewer engaged.
Magnus: players don't imagine a chess board on the ceiling
Hikaru: hold my stockfish
@Jon Jensen are you proud of getting mad at a UA-cam comment?
somewhere some girl is looking at Magus the way Beth looked at Borgov.
or boy lmfao
Lol in your dreams
@@HexxuSz what a pathetic little boy you must be
@@desuvult15 it is just a realistic statement.
@@TomboyCEO Judith polgar?
The reason women aren’t rated as high as men is chess is because there simply isn’t nearly as many women players. This is one of the reasons I love this show so much because it inspires more women to play in a chess world of mostly men even today.
why is there so much reverb on his vocal audio when he's wearing a Lav
The interview lighting is really nice though. I love the warm practical lamp contrasting against Magnus' teal shirt and the cool window light behind him
we're so lucky to be living in an era of Magnus. We're witnessing history
i agree he's probably best-ever (or Kasparov) but 'witnessing history' for chess was the revelation of AlphaZero,. Chess has essentially been 'solved' , it plays at a super-human level. As someone who watched Fischer--Spassky , Alpha Zero surpasses that.
@@jamesrav And I can beat Usain Bolt in my car. Who cares? The real spectacle is watching human beings play. Machines solving a complex math problem isn't unexpected or historic.
I am retired but remember when I competed in chess that when
I was going to sleep at night and closed my eyes I saw chess boxes.
During those years, it was always the same. When I closed my eyes,
everything was checkered. But no chess pieces.
omg he called himself brilliant !!
true tho
You're only really allowed to do that when you are among the best in the world at something.
@@CouncilOfTheLostGoats otherwise it''s automatically perceived as sarcasm lol
omg he said he had a balanced upbringing!!!
true tho
@@psychwolf7590 Or arrogance, but he is right
@@themarkofl1649 Given that he has been world champion for about a decade I don't think he is obligated to be modest about his accomplishments.
Now a series about Magnus please? Kings gambit?
*Classic Norwegian
Brilliant series. Absolutely recommend!
I used to watch his chess games all the time
magnus looks like he is gonna shout out "my name is jeff"
Lmaoooo
It’s obviously not based in complete reality. It’s ridiculous to view it that way. It’s a brilliantly crafted show that actually has very little to do with chess.
I was looking for this comment. Completely agree.
I thought this guy was talented and gifted at chess, never knew he worked so hard.
Brilliant series from Netflix, watched it all in a day and want more!
This show brought me back to board games.
he would be perfect cast for "Smart Thor"
0:39 ...I can't be the only one who thought that was a slight dig at hikaru right?
Nah that was a general remark if you watch the interviews pretty much every top level player does that
Everyone does that, you Just thought about hikaru cause hes the only big chess player you watch
not a dig
What was the dig, though? He acknowledged that players will look to the ceiling (Hikaru is not the only one to do this, I'm sure) to think and remember. What is the supposed insult you're seeing?
@@SandmanX82 People like manufacturing drama where there isn't any, especially on UA-cam and Twitter.
I don't know why I chuckled when Magnus said "I don't necessarily think great chess players see the chessboard in the ceiling"
I think he forgot she learned chess in a montage, I don't think they could've squeezed the whole process into the first episode
The results of the games in this show are always winner and loser even at the top level which is not true since the majority of games among the top players end in draws
What's the fun in that?
@@rellosapostolos2266 makes the show look more realistic
This issue kind of pulled me out when watching, but everything else felt very accurate, from my perceptive of a very amateur player.
@@UnionRing again...where is the fun in that?
@@paulh.9526 Even the tournament scenes where players are chatting to each other, knocking over their kings, offering draws in clearly lost positions, and spectators are commenting on the game 2 feet from the board?
I never played chess, but when I finish this series and check the best player on chess and I see this YT video and I just want to watch the world Champion chess player and other genius players ( grandmasters ) ♥️♥️
Unrealistic AF. Terrible mockery of chess
Anya Taylor-Joy looks like Atlanta Shore from Stingray in Queen's Gambit.
When I saw his face I knew he’s a good chess player. Good chess players look the same around the world...
"I don't necessarily think that great chess players see the chessboard at the ceiling"
Hikaru: This is what made us rivals
Michael Jordan with Nakamura face: Then I took it personally
Hikaru is no worthy rival for magnus, maybe Wesley, ding or fabiano
@@Ishh25 He used to be. Not anymore.
hahahahaa
look to my channel, please. i have some music, thanks
Magnus distracts his opponents by trimming only half of his mustache.
Now I can't unsee it and it's bothering me so much
😂😂
I kept looking at that the whole video lol
😂😂
There’s also some footy of him shitting his pants during a competition to get opponents off their game
For all those wondering why he rated out of 6: Its common in norway to rate by "throwing a dice". casual conversation would be like "what did you think about ...?, give me a dice" and responds with 1-6.
Edit: doing the obligated thanks for the likes... thank you!
P.S i am now aware of my misspelling, as i should have written "die" and not "dice". However, for historical accuracy, it shall remain as is.
P.S.S (insert baby yoda) haha yes get rekt @leroi dupetrol, slay him chat!
gracias Senpei
What a strange place
@leroi dupetrol i was
@leroi dupetrol well i was
@leroi dupetrol I was wondering
*protagonist sacrifices the queen"
Carlsen: "I really liked that"
Yeah, who would've guessed it.
For those that do not know, some of Magnus' most famous (but not overly long) moves have involved sacrificing his queen, before proceeding to win the game in a planned-out series of moves that required him to do just that.
Of course, sacrificing your greatest piece is a bold move. And Carlsen makes it no secret that he loves bold, brash, daring strategies. He may not always use them. But he loves them.
@@luciferwhispers3173 I believe every great player has a similar historic move, Kasparov, fisher etc... sacrificing the best piece is like when obi sacrificed himself, everyone was like ooh wtf? then we were ight outstanding move
its not true chess players see chess on the celling... HIIKARU NAKAMURA ENTERED THE CHAT
Nah hes got stockfish up there
there's stockfish up there
"hey chat, am i in the chat chat? what do you think chat? chat?! anyone here?" H.Nakamura
he was talking about 'great chess players', not hikaru
@@biobagholder8081 LMAOOO
i like the last "i would love to see women do better and feel more included..." it was funny, cuz it looked weird the way it was cut
they cut out "...because then I'd have many more weak fodder opponents to play against"
@@KashiwaDaisukel000000000l Cx
@@KashiwaDaisuke if I didn't know magnus I would've felt diffrent about ur comment but yh he would say that 😂
yeah, he was going to say more but it was redacted
I can understand that in many sports men have an advantage over women due to the physiological difference that exist between the muscularity of men and women.
However Chess is a mental game and I for one cannot see how men would have an advantage over women in chess.
Spoiler alert: "The Queens Gambit" is fiction.
The unfortunate thing is that people need to be reminded of that occasionally. For instance, the more often they see fictional depictions that all agree that chess players are victims of unhealthy obsession, etc. the more they tend to just assume it's true across the board.
@@WalterLiddy "...across the board." I see what you did there ; )
I find it funny that woke people are desperately wishing it were true. The kind of person who can dominate like this is extremely rare.
@@jtfike I just can't understand why everyone gets so "political" about the series. That is weird
@@cringesse a very fair point. I dunno, I think there are people who feel minimized and a good story inspires them, especially if it is true. This is one of those stories people wish were true. I think the awesome part is that it can be! When we watch marvel superheroes, we know that isn’t true but the fight for good still inspires us.
The chess board on the ceiling is literal for the series but not meant to be literal for the viewer. It's an artistic/stylistic way of showing how top players visualize their game & strategies in ther heads all the time. And to show how the game consumes her thoughts.
Is your name Sherlock?
@@ΠραξιτέληςΚ 🤣🤣🤣
Well, she does say at certain points that she literally sees the chessboard on the ceiling and plays that way.
@@MrOwNaGe95 Yup, I did say that it's literal for the series because the series is fiction. But not literal for the viewer. Since the series is from her perspective, there is a line were she asks if one of the other players see games the ways she does. Not only does he tell her no but he looks at her like she batty for a moment. He does, however, acknowledge that he plays games in his head. He says "Doesn't everybody?"
Carlsen even explained that if not literally taken then this is akin to something chess players do
"not enough substance abuse, broke my immersion"
-DrDrunkenstein, presumably
@Duck Man dumb duck 🦆
Summary: I have the same level but an enjoyable life. I’m Magnus Carlsen 😂
For him normal, not a enjoyble life thinking our playing, Reading about Chess 10-12 hours a Day
Damn I just finished the show, never played chess in my life and I loved it.
Yh got me into chess
Bro,how's your black picture fades as i scroll down comments..
Or Is it just me?
to be fair, this series is absolutely not about chess, its just a setting
@@zatharigo7815 duh
It was the same for me when I first read "The Royal Game" by Stefan Zweig. Though I knew how to play chess, I wasn't interested in it at all but still the book hooked me so bad.
I started playing chess beacause of this series and I'm in love with it. I never knew it could be this fun!
Stick with it brother, not just for the enjoyment, but you'll find your mind getting sharper.
@@victorcode2075 I will! Thanks for the kind words!
That's awesome to hear!
@@charlesyin5225 Thanks!
hope you're still doing it
the director busted magnus lip in the first interview when he gave it 1out of 6
Lol that's funny
is that why his head is to one side?
I was amazed to see this comment so far down the list. Nobody talking about Magnus getting his ass kicked?
Ooowh lol
I can't find anything about what you're talking about
Anyone else who waited for Magnus to speak about The Queen's Gambit? I know I was curious about his thoughts on the show. Thanks chess24!
shut up nigga
@@yousof8546 you want a twisted tea, fool?
Yes and now you get to hear three words out of his mouth before they cut him off. This is a puff piece. It's an advertisement.
@@imtheonehero9305 shush nigga
@@yousof8546 you think youre though in the internet? Bitch ass.
This is actually portrayed much better in the book than in the show. There, Beth just saw a chessboard in her mind. Sometimes she imagined it on the ceiling too, but not always. For example, during her last match against Borgov, she didn't look at the ceiling at all. She closed her eyes and imagined the movements in her mind. As a child, she imagined the desks and students in the classroom as pawns on a chessboard. I think the show just visualized it that way. Also the issue of pills is much better presented in the book. Beth never took it to see the chess on the ceiling. She never had a problem imagining chess and sometimes took pills when she couldn't sleep because she kept seeing it. It also helped her relax when she was stressed.
Same thing with Beth's blitz, actually. Magnus in one interview said that he was surprised how Beth was so bad at blitz playing classical at such a high level. In fact, Beth was always good at blitz and liked to play it because she based her games mainly on intuition and this is also very useful for short time controls. When she was training with Harry, she played blitz with him without one knight and still won twice and draw once. Then she and Townes played with time: she with 3 minutes and he with 5. Benny simply seemed to be an outstanding blitz player and that was the only reason why Beth could have problems in games with him.
Judit Polgar is by far the highest ranked female chess champion ever. At her peak she was ranked #8 in the world.
Hahaha just 8? Nice try
@@alexandraelena4581 thats her literal international ranking. #1 female player, #8 international player
@@alexandraelena4581 You can look this up yourself. It's public record.
@@carlpolen7437 its just a staunch feminist who probably believes the patriarchy runs the chess leader boards while also managing the wage gap. The facts are often a bitter pill for such people
@@anon3454 Are women not cut out for chess(on average)? What do you think?
“Its all about the CONES”
Are the cones a metaphor? Well yes, and no
Cones of Dunshire is an incredible game
I created that game.
Ice town, is that you?
My favourite chess scene in movie is Moriarty vs Holmes.
Nice, I should watch this one.
Guy Ritchie is amazing for those scenes
It was a good sequence but for me it has to be Blade Runner and throughout The Seventh Seal
so a scene where no actual chess game involved but a mind game of imaginary fighting. Yep, LOL
@@noahdeshayes4780 I thin that was more of BBC's Sherlock refference rather than Guy Richie's ;)
The Queen's gambit was as much about Chess as it was about Beth Harmon, its more of a drama about her life and struggles.
Carlsen's father travels around with him for every event, he just has entirely different support around him like that.
Or maybe this is simply a matter of reality vs fiction. You’re acting like the situation of Beth, a fictional character is just as valid as that of a real chess GM. If the real GM is poking holes at the logic of a piece of fiction, you don’t respond by saying that the real GM simply has a different situation and therefore invalidate his opinion, it is such a stupid thing to write lmao.
Imagine being a SJW in defence of fictional characters, trying to discredit an actual living person that has achieved incredible things lul, quite pathetic
@@MichaelCorleone654
>You’re acting like the situation of Beth, a fictional character is just as valid as that of a real chess GM
How am I acting like the situation of a fictional character is " just as valid" as MC's? What does that mean? In this interview they obviously wanted to compare the two, probably wanting to piggybacking of a hit show (which I've only seen glimpses of) so I compared the two characters in my mind which made me remember how supportive MC's father was which made me think that the situation of the fictional character is different from the real life chess GM. If briefly comparing a hypothetical situation in a story to a situation in real life is radical and offensive to you then that is really quite bizarre of you.
> If the real GM is poking holes at the logic of a piece of fiction, you don’t respond by saying that the real GM simply has a different situation and therefore invalidate his opinion.
Ok, how was MC really logically deconstructing the show? It seems to me he gave it pinches of credit while pointing out some of the dramatization being a bit much. Also how was I invalidating his opinion? He said that he didn't have similar issues to the character and I remembered and remarked upon one of the reasons in the youtube comment field. How does that invalidate what he said in any way?
>it is such a stupid thing to write lmao
I understand I didn't write this but I think it's amazing that MC's father is as supportive as he is. Your response to this is utterly bizarre, if you were actually worked up enough by my comment to call me an idiot I would recommend you start regulating your emotional responses more as being pulled here an there emotionally on a whim is really bad for you and not worth the energy.
@@bajsbrev4651 You’re comparing the authenticity of a fictional character to that of a real individual and by stating that he has a “different” support system you are implying that Beth’s situation is just as plausible. Maybe you should have worded your comment a little less dubiously because most people would read your comment and think that you are arguing against what Carlsen is saying in the video.
@@MichaelCorleone654 I agree.
I really thought this was magnus’s verdict on the queen’s gambit opening and rating how good of a opening it is
My wife and I have enjoyed watching this series even though my wife doesn't play chess at all. I loved the presentation of the chess tournaments she attended. I haven't been to one for years now but it reminded me of the tension and stress of the games and the fear of making a bad move that would cost you the game and potentially the tournament. The feeling is so different than when you are just playing at home in a relaxed environment.
Would love to see more of Magnus analyzing movies, tv shows, etc. !
Dude imagine him watching that one scene from Harry Potter
"Chess players that look up to the ceiling"
Immediately thinks of Hikaru Nakamura
It's either that or covering the board in arrows too fast for anyone to understand.
Ah man, how genuinely he put forward his thoughts!
How do you know that? Maybe he lied. I mean 5/6 really? So drug abuse makes you are great player, ok.
Female-only titles should be removed IMO. Beth Harman would of despised them, just like Judit Polgar does. They're clearly a lesser version of the real thing and I think can diminish the view of a female's playing ability when they still have discount titles. I'd be insulted if I were a top female player.
ikr
This goes for the vast majority of inclusivity attempts.
Agreed. If competed with Woman in a sport where they were dominate, I would not want a Masters title unless I was equivalent to any other Master, regardless of gender.
Honestly I think they get a lot of women into chess, especially at the fm level. There’s a lot less females in the game so enticing them with an easier to achieve title makes sense if your goal is to get more women in the game. I don’t think grandmaster however should, a grandmaster should just be a grandmaster.
The problem is that there is such a large difference in the statistics. There are about 1500 grandmasters in the world and only 37 of them are women.
Thank you, Magnus for pointing out the importance of practice. Lot of people who mock those with unfortunate circumstances saying they were lazy should use that energy to make the world a better place for everyone. Also, when people call these genius gifted they are doing so to excuse their lack of hard work and disrespecting the hard work of those gifted people. If anyone beats unimaginable odds and achieves something, good. After all too much luxury never leads to any good. But this gifted mysticism is bad for everyone.
"I dont think best chess players see the chess board on the celing" (angry hikaru noises)
Ivanchuck is also a famous ceiling-looker
The most forbidden documentary in history.,
“Europa The Last Battle” at archive dot org
Just as expected, even though I love chess I didn't watch this show because I had a feeling that it was gonna be more about gender politics and defeating the patriarchy than about any actual chess.
it's a fem propaganda. that is all
If you put together all the comments in the series about her being weak because she's a woman or being overrated because she's a woman, you'll get a grand total of 75 seconds.
for a moment i thought magnus have bleeding nose lmao
Netflix adaption bad
this comment made me crack xd
Straight up thought the same thing
@@iiREYteoii is that a joke on the fact that crackheads have bloody knows ?
5/6 is the simplest way to represent 0.833333... which is not 8/10 or 80/100, nor 83/100. If he feels the show is a 83.33333 out of 100 why would you complain.
He just expressed his judgement in a simple way
3/4 bananas
83.3 is needlessly specific, 80 is close enough for general conversation
@@ThanatoselNyx so, by the dice-method no 9's will be ever granted? only 80 [5/6] or 100 [6/6] ? I think that 5/6 it's closer to 90 than 80
@@garuttinho It's neither, as this methodology disposes of the idea of 90 in the sense of interpreting 6 as 100. It isn't either closer to 80 or 90, it is both combined into a single term (hence the simplification that x/6 provides).
@@applebottomjeans7571 are u familiar with math?
Who rates out of 6 ?!
I say it`s 27 out of 28
Norwegians
36 out of 41 more probably
Hilarious, but 6 or 7 does give more opportunity to differentiate
The norwegian rating of 6 is based on dice, it's typically how newspapers rate movies, books, songs, etc etc etc.
Never ever in my life have I ever thought someone would rate something out of 6 Lol
"rolling the dice" on tv shows and movies is very common in Norway, so 1 - 6 where 6 is the best.
The grading system in many countries is a 1-6 system
@@mamamamamamamable it is also the grade system in the Norwegian school up until college.
the grade system in germany is also 1-6
@@jjjtalon Maybe it is because I was raised here in America, we usually rate things out of 10 😅... Seems we’re the odd one out, always wanting to be different 😂😂😂.
3:01 Not a captures
It's weird seeing your comment outside agadmators comment section
@@steelsteez6118 takes
no captures captures here
Join the agadmator chess club on his youtube channel and you will understand :)
@@steelsteez6118 it's an inside joke for agadmator fans
“I would love to see women do better in chess.” -Magnus Carlsen 2020
@Daniel the Maniel ROTF no doubt, that is hilarious. Love the backhanded compliments to feminists. I imagine this will be deleted lol
@@bucksteingold4334 it’s not a backhanded compliment to feminists...it’s a back handed compliment to women. Lol
It’s actually pretty clear that women do worse, statistically, for fucked up social reasons. There are some really interesting studies that found women in anonymous online matches doing worse against the same opponent if they thought the opponent was a man and even worse if they were reminded of the cliche of women being bad at chess.
@@hat-eating-cthulu-goat3221 yeah this happens a lot with multiple fields. They did the same study with math I think, women aren’t themselves worse but psychological and societal factors do make them perform worse.
@@michigo_ Yeah, that's not surprising at all, and I wonder how there aren't more men in stem that are outraged by that pattern. Cause in the end it does boil down to humanity missing out big time because half the people capable of doing important work aren't doing that work because they are being gatekept by societal messaging.
The most successful female chess player ever is Judit Polgár.
and her sister Susan ⚔️
she probably wasn't alcoholic enough or have a mental illness or other disability to warrant a documentary from Hollywood.
Nobody went to see Feynman's documentary, but I think most ppl saw Nash and Hawking.
Also thanks for posting, I just googled her and will read some more now.
Hisame Artwork don’t know if u meant to make the comment come across as it did lol
There a interesting podcast about the polgar sister, stuff to blow your mind
@@Darpeesy lol, compared to protest americans we're alcoholics. hence my comment, though I'm proud to say we have less alcohol related deaths than Russia according to the statistics.
But we don't have laws where you have to hide your booze in a paper bag. It's not a sin to drink on non fasting days.
"I don't necessarily think that Great chess players see chess board in the ceiling"
Hikaru:Are you sure about that
Magnus: “Chessplayers don’t see a board on the ceiling...”
Hikaru: “Am I a joke to you?”
chess24: Let's get a chess player to talk about Queen's Gambit.
assistant: Should he have a working knowledge of fiction?
chess24: Just get someone with a big ass head!
This show is basically a feminist motive to promote vulgar stuff in the sidelines, for example beth sleeping with many men is trying to suggest that women can sleep with many men and still be high value which is total crap. Show was great, the feminist touch ruined it.
Women are not excluded from chess. There are several women rated as high level chess players and several Grand Masters. But chess, as everything similar necessitating an obsessive focus on one single thing (which will drive the person away from socialisation) tends not to interest women, statistically. In short, most women are social beings while men can live in their basement obsessing over one thing for decades.
That aspect (obsession) with high level chess won't, ever, change. And these differences between men and women won't change either. So, eventually, you will see a women as world chess champion. But the actual number of serious/invested players won't ever be even or balanced between the two. Not because of capacity but because of interest (statistically). And I don't think its a problem. Young girls and women can play competitive chess if they choose to. And TV shows like The Queen's Gambit will have a positive impact on the community.
That's suggesting that women by nature are more social and could not be interested in chess in the quantity men are because of this nature but you don't necessarily know if that's true fundamentally by looking at stats right now. Men and women now are much differnet and will continue to change going forward. Who knows if we will reach a point where they will be around the same. But it's most likely not to happen. My point is that you can't know that
@@Coolguy-mk7hg well we can know about that now because that’s the case, it’s weird though that the more egalitarian a country becomes the differences between men and women increase.
With the staring at the ceiling, the addition of drugs made it seem like it was actually a hallucination she was seeing, rather than just visualising something. I mean, she needed the drugs to do it, didn’t she?
Nooobody stops girls from playing chess! But if more boys take interest in the game then girls, what can you do?! Modern extreme feminism can simply ruin everything! :)
The unrealism starts when they used a female actress and she won world championships.
bro she didnt become worldchampion, she just beat him in a tournament. If you are gonna be nitpicky do it right
@@arnoldd7073 Every chess grandmaster un real life Is a Mary sue. Carlsen was 13 and drawing to Kasparov, in fact, it's unreallistic that she became good that old
The only thing I don't like about the series is that she has a chip on her shoulder with the whole "men will feel threatened by you", but it does not at all lineup with how much respect all the male chess players show her. It's almost like the feminist motif is forced to make it more appealing, but is completely invalidated by the behavior of the players, yet they relentlessly highlight it in the ad. "Men are going to want to teach you things..." as Mr. Shaibel stops her from moving... It's really sad.
The trailer kinda pushed that “men are bad” feeling which didn’t match the show at all. I’m glad this show didn’t make all men seem like pigs but the trailer did which was annoying
This is obviously feminist agenda, let's call it what it is
No i think it is brilliant. Trailer pushes it because it sells, series depicts a more realistic world. And even in that there are some dialogues between beth and other women about how she must feel oppressed and men won't be able to stand her success. Women sometimes do have these type of thoughts and talks in real life, and as it is shown on the series, they are often not true, especially in the chess community.
Literally do not understand how you think they’re pushing ‘men bad’ when her influencer as a child was a man, her friends helping her were men, she has more positive relationships and friendships with the men in the series.
Of course they’re going to put shitty dialogue from her mentally ill mother in the trailer. No where else in the series is anything like that mentioned by stable characters.
They could have made this show about a man, and it would have been just as enthralling, but it would not have reached the same audience. My girlfriend know nothing about chess and loved the series -- I think some of that stems from the female protagonist. But once you get into the show you realize that they don't really push the "all men are bad" narrative that they ads maybe alluded to. Beth seems just as uncomfortable with women as she does men, and sometimes moreso.
based on his responses, I feel like the interviewer was asking really basic, pointless questions. "do chess players always stare at the ceiling??" uhhhh lol
tbhh
She definitely based on Bobby Fischer's character who beat the Russian chess player.
Not sure about that. I thought Mikhael Tal due to the substance abuse and aggressive play. But I think they laid it out in the story: Paul Morphy apparently, is who she resembles in character and style of chess.
The only similarity to Fischer is that they were good at chess. Does Harmon:
..have a mother throughout her life? No.
...have an older sister? No
...accuse Russians of cheating? No
...join a religious group? No, in fact she rejects their offer of sponsorship
...shun the limelight before and after her world championship win? No
... forfeit a match? No
...make many demands as a condition of participation? No.
I could go on.
@@CrookedNose2131 Jeff Thomson is probably right, apart from that the movie could have been inspired and not actually based on a true story.
Seems like a feminist movie to me, glad to hear it's not complete trash
It's not offensively blatant in trying to force a message, it's a pretty good show in all honesty.
They had Kasparov consulting on this so it is no wonder the games were so brilliant like the final game against Borgov was an actual game that Garry used for inspiration then changed the move after adjournment to make it an optimal position. What the original GM should have done in that game
That man's brain is so big it pushes out the middle of his forehead between the eyebrows
wtf
The Queen's Gambit is a kind of feminist Wakanda, a make-believe world in which a woman can become the world chess champion. I'd like to think that it could inspire girls to embrace chess more, so that in future years there might be more than just one single solitary woman in the top 100 chess players in the world, but I suspect it might cause more disappointment. I also think that feminists will try to push for handicaps on men playing women so women chess players can "win" more, creating "equality of outcome". Women aren't wired exactly the same as men, even though feminists are often telling us women are "better at strategy". Sure. Women aren't excluded from competitions, they just don't WIN as much as men. The Queen's Gambit is another feminist fantasy, and only really good for the period touches. The fact that all the games featured were games created by MALE players unfortunately says it all. There are good games won by female chess players, why weren't they featured? Underneath it all is just more feminist sour grapes.
Once upon a time, men said that women would never be better at school because men were smarter and more competitive. Today, women are beating men at school and graduating 3 times more. Men want to focus on present data to justify sexism. Women know the truth about themselves and feminism will turn out to be right again in the future while men like you will be remember as just one of those sexists of the time.
I mean there shouldn’t be a Woman’s FIDE championship at all; the concept is just ridiculous if men and women are equally intellectually talented
Agreed
100% agree. It just doesn't make sense. Brains doy have genders. Bodies do. Leave those ideas in sports. In intellectual sports. They should be mixed.
Most of the women chess players would disagree with you, coz if we take out Woman's FIDE there will be only like 1-3% of women who can compete with men and 97% of women chess players will be left with no money and hence leave chess and there would be no women in chess at all. I watched interviews of women chess players and they said exactly that it's not me assuming.
I disagree for now.. It makes sense because most woman couldn't compete with the guys like Magnus in chess.
(At least right now)
Until a cisgender man identifies as a woman, and commences to win the women’s FIDE championship, I’ll reserve judgement.
Beth Harmone vs Magnus carlsen would be some chess match to watch.
He would adopt her ez clap
@@BartasRapowanie Beth would get clapped tho
She would get clapped 😭
She would get clapped both ways
Magnus would troll Beth😂
Let's be honest (which Magnus certainly couldn't for obvious reasons)
This movie was an SJW fairy tale. Hundreds of years of data show as much and chess is unforgiving. It doesn't care about your feelings or if you "identify" as blue 72 gender hammer...The best player ultimately wins and they usually have a penis...
@abbsnn cose "Asserting masculinity with chess"??? WOW...WTF does that even mean tard??? Data doesn't care about your SJW delusions nor your linguistic ineptitude
Perhaps you could have phrased that to make it sound grammatically correct.
she didnt have a difficult childhood, there is such a disgusting amount of feminist propaganda in this show, to even imagine that a woman at that time could have "difficulty" compared to what men went through at the same time
she was orphaned and forced to become addicted to tranquilizers as an 8 year old ???
@@axolotlonzo2683 that still isnt difficulty... difficulty isnt what you imagine, it is based on how others have it. compared to what any male in her position would have gone through she had it very easy
feminist propaganda
now We know why Nakamura stares at the ceiling
0.12 she was playing in her sleep "cause of the pills" she took so she was playing chess the whole time
6 years 8 hours and 365.24 days that roughly equates to that roughly adds up to 17531.52 hours spent sleeping, following the 10000 hour rule she would be an expert at chess just from sleeping
However taking into account that rem sleep (most often attributed to dreams) last for about 25 percent of the sleep cycle she likely at best spent 2500 hours doing chess while asleep as your brain functions. Sleep is overall an unreliable method as often one will forget they even had dreams
@@kaliascythes2454 Just to be clear, she didn't play "in her sleep", but she did play before sleep, at least that's how i interpreted because her eyes were open
Maybe he was referring to after she gets caught with the jar of pills and is forbidden to play chess after - there's that time skip until she gets adopted
I got obsessed playing with friends for a couple of months tho I never looked up strategies, and I kept dreaming I was playing chess the whole time. My brain does that with video games too.
Yeah,those drugs don't do such things they are not hallucinogens. She wouldn't even see a board in the ceiling because of those drugs let alone playing in her sleep. She is just imagining.
Magnus is way more likable person than I would have realized
Hes nice when hes not playing Chess :)
But alot of the players is special
maybe you shouldnt judge people so much
“It is at least not automatic that being brilliant at something takes away something else.” - Yes, that's for people who have had a balanced/supportive environment that enabled them to maintain consistency. Those who do not have that need to lose something in order to gain something, and we can see the side-effect on them directly.