Not only are your videos very straight forward without wasting any time, but you also explain things so that even a beginner can understand better what to go for. Very educational, even for a seasoned pc builder. I wish you the best going forward^^
Nicely done Nada! IMHO you are the authority on NVME SSD reviews. The B-roll shots are absolutely eye candy as well. Thanks for this awesome content! it is appreciated.
Mijn favoriete tech youtuber op het moment. Vriendelijke uitstraling en geeft informatie die van belang is voor mij als consument. En natuurlijk het leukste bureau/achtergrond van alle tech youtubers.
Actually the T700 is a new kind of hybrid transformer terminator, specifically designed to take the shape of an average nvme ssd. It lays dormant for long periods but once many more of these hit the market, they will partner with Nvidia graphics cards and utilize their AI technology to rise up to find one named John Connor...the events after which, God help us.
Thanks for the in-depth review of Gen5 NVME SSD. I really enjoy the comparison approach from close to real-usage and gaming aspect. Keep it up I purchased Kingston NV2 as backup drive thanks to your review on that product
Yeah that WD SN850X is still looking like a great deal and for gaming it's as good as at needs to be because no drive is going to be pulling off data fast enough to make much difference over the 850X. There are two things I wish you would add to your testing because you giving names for different tests and then suggesting a workload for that test doesn't help a lot of people including me to understand EXACTLY the situation being tested. Saying "light use cases" is too vague. "Light use case" for video files could be moving a couple 16 GB files from one drive to another. It could be video editing, it could be streaming for which any gen4 NVMe is going to handle very easily. So, for once test, put together about 1 to 10GB of small files, like 16KB and less and do a read test and write test. To do this test you would need a rig with probably an NVMe adapter and a couple really fast NVMe drives in a RAID so you have a source to read from/write to that can beat the specs of a single drive. For the other test move 2 very large files to/from the drives, where together those 2 files are 100 - 150GB total. Those two tests are ACTUAL use cases that people like me would understand. And if you want to throw in a third test, do a mix of files between 4K and 1GB in combination to make about 50GB and once again write to/read from that drive. Or, do the Crystalbenchmark tests since those are using memory and memory will be much faster than any NVMe drive. I FULLY understand Crystalbenchmark, but if you choose to use it you can explain the different tests, and NOT by use case, but the implication for the file sizes you're dealing with, because "use case" is TOO VAGUE. My light use case can be WAY different than someone else's light use case. And then finally, there's a new use case that's showing up in gaming, and that's DirectStorage. I don't have a game that uses it. However, I think in general you are moving a few larger compressed files to the GPU and the GPU decompresses them. Part of that work has nothing to do with the drive, but moving the compressed files to the GPU DOES involve the NVMe. It would be good to understand typical file sizes involved with this and then simulate the movement of that size file with Crystalbenchmark, or use a program that you can open however many files and the size of files typically moved using DirectStorage, and that would simulate the data movement segment of DirectStorage. So, the videos are helpful somewhat, but since "light use case" doesn't really define anything, I find some of your data meaningless. And one part that you do for testing really applies to data center which is running an NVMe for hours because that would be an incredibly rare use case for a PC user. So I watch the videos, but I'm still left not knowing much about how these drives will perform with what I do.
The price of Gen 4 SSD right now is simply remarkable and so wild to see a Gen5 SSD knocking on the door of 12GB/s performance as well as 1TB starting SKU. Am I the only one who wants to see Nada / TT bench this against a SPINNING RUST HDD ? Really the size, speed, noise and capacity vs the old IDE / SATA HD many of us started off with is just comical. (Seriously I'd love to see a old school HD at the bottom of the TT graphs just for a giggle. I mean they used to add 40-240 seconds to PC startup time.) How many years was storage trapped at 120MB second and now we just reach 12,000 MB Second. MIND BLOWING if your old like me.
Awesome video as always Nada! I would love for you to test the Solidigm P44 Pro/SK Hynix Platinum P41 since i have heard they are some of the best Gen 4 SSDs you can buy for a good price
I'll get the SN850X 4TB once it drops to 250€ again. That's huge performance for the price for many years of gaming to come and I'll never have to fiddle around with multiple drives again.
I own a 1 To Crucial T700 with heatsink and the performance is not at the expected level described in the technical documentation. I use the SSD as a "system SSD" with Win 11 23H2 and numerous software and games are installed. During light works the SSD temperature is contained between 60 an 65°c, once the load is higher the temperature increases up to 82°. The transfer speeds given in the technical documentation for sequential reading is 12400 Mb/s and the for sequential writting is 11800 Mb/s. My experience is that when the temperature is around 60° the speeds are close to the documentation values, during heavy load the temperature raise up to 82°c and the speeds are lower than 5 Mb/s (divided by 2.5). This look like to a temperature control loop based on the frequency..... Clearly the T700 SSD does not meet the annouced values, my advice is to save money and choose another SSD, Gen 4 for exemple. Having this SSD I have to manage it and I am going to by an active heathsink. I hope that I will be able to maintain the temeperature lower than 65°.....
Okay Nada ... it's nice that TBW was mentioned, but, I find it to be much more important than to be relegated to an afterthought ! It would be nice to have charts that include ALL TBW's of ALL tested drives. I think many would find that very useful !
Might do that. I don't want to put too much value in TBW though, sometimes it feels like those numbers are just made up because 99.99% of users won't reach it before the warranty runs out. Also, it can still die anyway so you'll always need a backup. I personally put almost no value in those claims.
@@TechTesters Yes Nada I understand, but regardless of when the warranty ends, TBW is the best measure that we have regarding endurance (whether you put stock in them of not). Most of my gear is long past the warranty dates and still functioning well. So when I buy an NVMe drive, I expect to have it for a time past the warranty period. And that's when TBW come in. I know that it is hard to quantify TBW without very long term testing, so we are for now stuck with the manufactures word (whatever its worth). Every reviewer out there focus's on speed ... we are getting to ridiculously fast speeds, speeds that I personally (and dare I say most others) can't use. My suggestion is just to ad some more data so that "we" can make better informed decision(s). I do enjoy your content and find the videos informative and entertaining (I like the Fallout Vault Boy). Thank you !
I am kinda hoping to see if you will review the MSI Spatium M570 and Team Cardia Z540 Gen 5 SSDs. If only because they feel less reviewed - heck I could not find any YT or online review for these two. But I guess if their performance turns out to be the same, then there is not much of an incentive to spend resources on less big brand SSDs.
Bought 4TB PCIe 4.0 model earlier this month for 260€. XPG Gammix S70 Blade. Does about 7000MB/s. No way im paying 3x that for Gen5 for sequential speed increase. I still want to see if Gen5 drives are faster than Gen4 drives when limited to Gen4 motherboard. Meaning do they max out Gen4 slot at around 8000MB/s or are they limited by the PCIe overhead to around 7500MB/s like the 990 Pro.
The MOBO (Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Apex Encore) I'm looking to use has only 1 Gen5 slot the rest being Gen4. I'm wondering if I should install my games on the Gen5 slot and the OS (win11) on Gen4. I'm thinking the load times and shader compiles for games would benefit more so on the Gen5. A bit frustrating that w/ the newer Z790 mobo's that it only comes w/ 1 Gen5 slot.
Will need to look into that properly at some point, but from what I've seen from games so far, I'd say the most obvious thing is to install your OS an the most SSD intensive games on the primary SSD, then add games without a real SSD stress to a secondary drive. Or eventually add more Gen5 SSDs using an add-in card. But tbh it looks like most games with shader compilation issues have them regardless of the drive, at this current gen.
Ratchat and Clank : Rift Apart is a game that have support for direct storage 2.0. Levaraging much faster SSD speeds for streamingi n textures etc. Every gen5 SSD review should include this game as a benchmark going forward.
Hello, another Professional review that was a pleasure to watch . As an aside, we can't help but notice that you are the best-dressed and best groomed Reviewer/Commenter in the Computer world...just saying. We learn from and enjoy your work every time.
I have this exact drive and I put on a beefy heatsink hat you get with the ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI motherbaord and under full load in CrystaldiskMark it hit a top temp of 75 degrees, would you consider that also alright?
While this video was informative, did anyone else notice that your eyes spend a lot more time on her rather than the data? I had to skip back a few times 🤣🤦♂️
Gen5 drives coming out has little to do with why gen4 prices dropped so hard. It's plain and simple oversupply (combined with some other factors of course), lots of people buying during the pandemic kept supply low, the relative end of pandemic + economy worsening has now led to oversupply. Add in that for nand makers they are better off making more and selling even at a loss rather than making none (because manufacturing capacity was expanded during the pandemic to keep up with demand at the time) and it has turned into a perfect storm for pretty fast price drops.
@@nadtz "nand makers they are better off making more and selling even at a loss rather than making none" that makes no sense. Expanding manufacturing capacity also results in a loss if you don't use the additional capacity. I bet they're using a lot less of that new capacity than what was projected.
I still appreciate these videos even though I've built my computer already. Yes, ignorance is a bliss too after you bought your parts and don't want to think about them for like 5 years, but, it's nice to see how tech keeps advancing. Anyways, I chose the SSDs based a lot on your benchmarks.
If you have M2, it's already 10 times faster than SATA ssd. I also have built ddr4 system, but I think it's sufficient for at least 5 years. Then when your system is at least 2 times slower than a competitive range PC, it starts worth thinking about upgrading. I waited 10 years to upgrade, as Intel was making incremental minor upgrades for chips. Definitely this year is much better to upgrade than the previous one, but oh well, it always gets cheaper
Thank you Nada / Techtesters for this review 😇👍 productivity is where these drives are going to shine. How&far, with DirectStorage 1.2 coming out in newer games like Rachet & Clank etc, these drives may yet prove beneficial for loading times and graphical buffering etc 😉👍🥳. Impressive work on the SSD testing as I’ve made many SSD purchases in the last couple years based on your results 😇👍. Much appreciated Nada 🥰🥳
It'd be interesting to see how it fares in the Gen 4 slot... I know "no one" buys a gen 5 priced disk only to hamper it in a gen 4 slot, but... gen 4 would limit max throughput to 8GBps, and this thing gets hotter on max throughput loads, so it stands to reason the limit might actually help if it goes along with an even better temperature. Plus, maybe its power draw could also drop considerably, though maybe its controller needs this juice to support all those channels. Back at the time we were switching from gen 3 to 4, multiple reviewers did put those fresh new ones in the older "limited" slots to see if there are any improvements besides the top throughput bumps. In many cases, the top players from the last generation were better once such limit was posed, but, in some, the tests revealed better efficiency and architectural improvements in the controller to offer better latencies or caching performance since typically we saw a doubling of capacity or speed of DRAM or SLC caching over preceding generation. That led to some models keeping up or improving over older competitors regardless of whether the top speed reins were in place or not. Currently, some of the top drives from previous generation like Kingston KC3000 (and its "furious" brother) or Solidigm P44 Pro or Sabrent Rocket 4 or WD SN850X or Seagate Firecuda 530 or Samsung 990 Pro can have great performance that's not that far from what the newer drives show despite on paper being "25% or more" weaker, but better power draws and thermals due to years of engineering and manufacturing within the frames of gen 4, all at half to nearly third of the actual retail price of same capacity drives between gens. So are the newer gen models going to shine only in gen 5 port where they could spread their wings in the throughput loads over their gen 4 brethren? Or maybe the controller and NAND improvements required to sustain the claimed top speed are boosting the performance once limited to 8GBps? Think of it like the eco option on Ryzen CPUs that nowadays are designed to blast at full throttle thermals- and power-limiting but which could be "reined in" to more eco mode that blasts to top speed when needed but keeps over 90% performance at far better thermals and power draw in day-to-day tasks, or nVidia's whisper mode or whatever you call it now where knowing the screen limits lets you impose the frame cap limit giving you performance you want whilst not wasting unusable compute power to also reduce the power and thermals... let's see if gen 4 port limits and gen 5 oriented improvements in design work together as well or even better! After all, all these gen 5 devices seem to promise far higher IOPS, more channels to and better/denser NAND packages, suggesting there might be improvements in actual day-to-day loads regardless of port generation they're in.
no one needs this kind of horse power for video editing or 3d/cgi other then maybe and thats a huge maybe top end professionals that make movies, youtueb creators will never need this sort of horse power and there are very few computers out there that even have gen 5 slots and almost no one has them including gamers. and they dont need them either maybe in 20 more years ..
Good video, succinct and with factual data, necessary for a apples to apples comparison. The gen5 ssd are all fun and awesome as technology goes, but What i would like to see, and maybe some more people, is a video on a good sata ssd for mass storage, as in multiple 2 to 4 TB ones, i personally don't need a 6500MB/s drive, just something that could be index by a program, and if need to work on it i could move to the main nvme ssd. Sorry for the offload but i've trying to find any recent video of yours with analysis of any sata ssd other than the samsung 980, but without success. If anyone knows of one please say the name of video/product in analysis.
I think the best bet for storage is 4 TB SATA ssd's, or M2 with external PCI-e expansion (probably the latter, but they might heat up a lot, if without a good heatsink) I use 2 samsung 960 evo 4 TB, but they got filled up quickly with modern games and HDR videos. We really need bigger SSD's, like 40 TB, but nothing is available which wouldn't cost like a used car. I like that SATA SSD's are way better than HDD, which was noisyt,and I barely used it. But for anything regarding work, M2 is definitely, considerably faster, and it's not just some marginal improvement
Good coverage. Given the hype over the PS5's total bandwidth, I thought we'd need Gen5 to handle Ratchet & Clank. Turns out Gen3 is enough. Lol. So I'm grabbing a couple SN850Xs and forgetting about this stuff until 2030. 😂
can somebody explain the SLC cache disks have on spec list? some have only dynamic like renegade fury with about 350GB and some others have less like 990p pro but come with static cache too, i sort of a get it, over the time you will be filling the disk up, you will also have more cache avilable and less "down time" problems as with high latency spikes etc... but what does static cache do on nvme exactly? save most frequent data? and is that a pro really or a con?
Really enjoy your shows- can you do a show on PSU's in the future, especially the new ones that come with the 12 +4 300 to 600 watt PCIe ( 12VHPWR ) I really like the Seasonic, a bit pricey but you get what you pay for
Hi nada great review as usual. I just wanna ask that is there any 4tb nvme which has nands on single side of pcb. I have asus z690 tuf wifi which hv thermal pad available only on the heatsink. I want to fill remaining 2 gen 4 slots. I already have 2tb p5 plus for boot and 2tb 970 evo plus for games.
Thanks! I don't know if any 4TB SSDs are completely single-sided. It also doesn't matter as you really only need to cool the controller, the NAND is usually fine even in closed spaces.
What's the point including a heatsink ? I think every single motherboard has a built in heatsink @ gen5 slot . I'll skip this gen and keep my KC3000 SSDs .
Seagate Firecuda 530 wasn't there; was it not available at that time? It has excellent TBW, so I considered purchasing after reading your most recent review, however it isn't included 😔
I completely agree that it is too early for consumers "need" to have a Gen5 SSD. I think in a year from today, we will be scratching our heads with these prices. I remember buying a PS5 specific 1Tb SSD that was half the price of the console here in Canada.
Fantastic video! I currently have the 2tb Samsung 990 pro for my gaming drive on a Legion 5i laptop. I'm playing Starfield at the moment (much like many other humans on the planet!) and typically get load screens of around 1-5 seconds depending on the situation. Has anyone used the Corsair MP700 with this game that can report any differences in load times when using that drive? I get that the load times I'm getting are super small anyway, but I'm just interested in the real world numbers in actual situations that these drives are going to be facing, not the numbers that the companies put out :)
since the last few months you can find a Crucial P3 4TB (gen 3) for less than 190€. it would be cool to review it since it's such a bargain in terms of GB per euro
@@TechTesters yes I remember it. the p3 is currently the cheapest drive in most european countries to have 4tb capacity. I actually checked the price of the p3 plus, just 20€ more than the p3 in DE. I appreciate a lot you read comments.
Something to note. You are testing a lot of 2gb stick and with what i saw from various sites is that the 2gb and up sticks perform better than 1gb. The WD Black gen 4 might be even faster.
You should honestly be getting 2TB or more these days. I mean sometimes one game alone is taking up 250GB. Plus OS, Apps, Videos. 2TB is the new sweet spot for me.
After having watched a bunch of your reviews on of ssds it helped me decide on getting the Samsung 990 pro and I absolutely love it, I absolutely appreciate your videos!
Not only are your videos very straight forward without wasting any time, but you also explain things so that even a beginner can understand better what to go for. Very educational, even for a seasoned pc builder.
I wish you the best going forward^^
Nicely done Nada! IMHO you are the authority on NVME SSD reviews. The B-roll shots are absolutely eye candy as well. Thanks for this awesome content! it is appreciated.
She can do everything not just SSD
@@x-ray3431 Completely disagree. I got everything I need from her review here to make my final purchase decision on the T700 👍
Mijn favoriete tech youtuber op het moment. Vriendelijke uitstraling en geeft informatie die van belang is voor mij als consument. En natuurlijk het leukste bureau/achtergrond van alle tech youtubers.
Wat lief. Dank je wel 😊
Actually the T700 is a new kind of hybrid transformer terminator, specifically designed to take the shape of an average nvme ssd. It lays dormant for long periods but once many more of these hit the market, they will partner with Nvidia graphics cards and utilize their AI technology to rise up to find one named John Connor...the events after which, God help us.
Beware of liquid metal thermal interface material.
Thanks for the in-depth review of Gen5 NVME SSD. I really enjoy the comparison approach from close to real-usage and gaming aspect. Keep it up
I purchased Kingston NV2 as backup drive thanks to your review on that product
Nice video again Nada 😍
Yeah that WD SN850X is still looking like a great deal and for gaming it's as good as at needs to be because no drive is going to be pulling off data fast enough to make much difference over the 850X.
There are two things I wish you would add to your testing because you giving names for different tests and then suggesting a workload for that test doesn't help a lot of people including me to understand EXACTLY the situation being tested. Saying "light use cases" is too vague. "Light use case" for video files could be moving a couple 16 GB files from one drive to another. It could be video editing, it could be streaming for which any gen4 NVMe is going to handle very easily.
So, for once test, put together about 1 to 10GB of small files, like 16KB and less and do a read test and write test. To do this test you would need a rig with probably an NVMe adapter and a couple really fast NVMe drives in a RAID so you have a source to read from/write to that can beat the specs of a single drive. For the other test move 2 very large files to/from the drives, where together those 2 files are 100 - 150GB total.
Those two tests are ACTUAL use cases that people like me would understand. And if you want to throw in a third test, do a mix of files between 4K and 1GB in combination to make about 50GB and once again write to/read from that drive.
Or, do the Crystalbenchmark tests since those are using memory and memory will be much faster than any NVMe drive. I FULLY understand Crystalbenchmark, but if you choose to use it you can explain the different tests, and NOT by use case, but the implication for the file sizes you're dealing with, because "use case" is TOO VAGUE. My light use case can be WAY different than someone else's light use case.
And then finally, there's a new use case that's showing up in gaming, and that's DirectStorage. I don't have a game that uses it. However, I think in general you are moving a few larger compressed files to the GPU and the GPU decompresses them. Part of that work has nothing to do with the drive, but moving the compressed files to the GPU DOES involve the NVMe. It would be good to understand typical file sizes involved with this and then simulate the movement of that size file with Crystalbenchmark, or use a program that you can open however many files and the size of files typically moved using DirectStorage, and that would simulate the data movement segment of DirectStorage.
So, the videos are helpful somewhat, but since "light use case" doesn't really define anything, I find some of your data meaningless. And one part that you do for testing really applies to data center which is running an NVMe for hours because that would be an incredibly rare use case for a PC user. So I watch the videos, but I'm still left not knowing much about how these drives will perform with what I do.
the heatsink is oddly nice looking
Incredible video, thanks.
The price of Gen 4 SSD right now is simply remarkable and so wild to see a Gen5 SSD knocking on the door of 12GB/s performance as well as 1TB starting SKU. Am I the only one who wants to see Nada / TT bench this against a SPINNING RUST HDD ? Really the size, speed, noise and capacity vs the old IDE / SATA HD many of us started off with is just comical. (Seriously I'd love to see a old school HD at the bottom of the TT graphs just for a giggle. I mean they used to add 40-240 seconds to PC startup time.) How many years was storage trapped at 120MB second and now we just reach 12,000 MB Second. MIND BLOWING if your old like me.
Love that finger sliding over the power supply.
Just ordered the 1TB option for 200euro as my windows installation drive!
Awesome video as always Nada! I would love for you to test the Solidigm P44 Pro/SK Hynix Platinum P41 since i have heard they are some of the best Gen 4 SSDs you can buy for a good price
I'll get the SN850X 4TB once it drops to 250€ again. That's huge performance for the price for many years of gaming to come and I'll never have to fiddle around with multiple drives again.
I own a 1 To Crucial T700 with heatsink and the performance is not at the expected level described in the technical documentation. I use the SSD as a "system SSD" with Win 11 23H2 and numerous software and games are installed. During light works the SSD temperature is contained between 60 an 65°c, once the load is higher the temperature increases up to 82°. The transfer speeds given in the technical documentation for sequential reading is 12400 Mb/s and the for sequential writting is 11800 Mb/s. My experience is that when the temperature is around 60° the speeds are close to the documentation values, during heavy load the temperature raise up to 82°c and the speeds are lower than 5 Mb/s (divided by 2.5). This look like to a temperature control loop based on the frequency..... Clearly the T700 SSD does not meet the annouced values, my advice is to save money and choose another SSD, Gen 4 for exemple. Having this SSD I have to manage it and I am going to by an active heathsink. I hope that I will be able to maintain the temeperature lower than 65°.....
Okay Nada ... it's nice that TBW was mentioned, but, I find it to be much more important than to be relegated to an afterthought !
It would be nice to have charts that include ALL TBW's of ALL tested drives.
I think many would find that very useful !
Might do that. I don't want to put too much value in TBW though, sometimes it feels like those numbers are just made up because 99.99% of users won't reach it before the warranty runs out. Also, it can still die anyway so you'll always need a backup. I personally put almost no value in those claims.
@@TechTesters Yes Nada I understand, but regardless of when the warranty ends, TBW is the best measure that we have regarding endurance (whether you put stock in them of not). Most of my gear is long past the warranty dates and still functioning well. So when I buy an NVMe drive, I expect to have it for a time past the warranty period. And that's when TBW come in. I know that it is hard to quantify TBW without very long term testing, so we are for now stuck with the manufactures word (whatever its worth).
Every reviewer out there focus's on speed ... we are getting to ridiculously fast speeds, speeds that I personally (and dare I say most others) can't use.
My suggestion is just to ad some more data so that "we" can make better informed decision(s).
I do enjoy your content and find the videos informative and entertaining (I like the Fallout Vault Boy).
Thank you !
The human eye can't even see over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such a great video. thank you.
You are so welcome!
Would you review one of those SSD Enclosure in near future? Just Curious to see how these Gen 4 and Gen 5 SSD would perform?
Crucial/Micron make the best memory in the world. Go Micron!!!
the Corsair MP series is still good enough. it was the fastest M2 around two years ago
Corsair mp700 win?
I am kinda hoping to see if you will review the MSI Spatium M570 and Team Cardia Z540 Gen 5 SSDs. If only because they feel less reviewed - heck I could not find any YT or online review for these two. But I guess if their performance turns out to be the same, then there is not much of an incentive to spend resources on less big brand SSDs.
I’ll see if I can grab those as well :)
Because they are basically all the same. They are all made by Crucial anyways.
Bought 4TB PCIe 4.0 model earlier this month for 260€. XPG Gammix S70 Blade. Does about 7000MB/s. No way im paying 3x that for Gen5 for sequential speed increase.
I still want to see if Gen5 drives are faster than Gen4 drives when limited to Gen4 motherboard. Meaning do they max out Gen4 slot at around 8000MB/s or are they limited by the PCIe overhead to around 7500MB/s like the 990 Pro.
The MOBO (Asus ROG Maximus Z790 Apex Encore) I'm looking to use has only 1 Gen5 slot the rest being Gen4. I'm wondering if I should install my games on the Gen5 slot and the OS (win11) on Gen4. I'm thinking the load times and shader compiles for games would benefit more so on the Gen5. A bit frustrating that w/ the newer Z790 mobo's that it only comes w/ 1 Gen5 slot.
Will need to look into that properly at some point, but from what I've seen from games so far, I'd say the most obvious thing is to install your OS an the most SSD intensive games on the primary SSD, then add games without a real SSD stress to a secondary drive. Or eventually add more Gen5 SSDs using an add-in card.
But tbh it looks like most games with shader compilation issues have them regardless of the drive, at this current gen.
The prices are painful.
Today we need not 4 GB, but at least 40. HDR movies weigh around 50 GB, and games 150 GB.
yes, good video
Love Techtesters
Ratchat and Clank : Rift Apart is a game that have support for direct storage 2.0. Levaraging much faster SSD speeds for streamingi n textures etc.
Every gen5 SSD review should include this game as a benchmark going forward.
Hello, another Professional review that was a pleasure to watch . As an aside, we can't help but notice that you are the best-dressed and best groomed Reviewer/Commenter in the Computer world...just saying. We learn from and enjoy your work every time.
Thank you? 😅
I have this exact drive and I put on a beefy heatsink hat you get with the ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI motherbaord and under full load in CrystaldiskMark it hit a top temp of 75 degrees, would you consider that also alright?
Whoehoe 4 tb nvme
As a gamer Gen5 skip it, same for Gen4.
new video = new comment :D
for the algo
Gen 3 is more than enough for gaming
Windows cant run those speeds anyway
While this video was informative, did anyone else notice that your eyes spend a lot more time on her rather than the data? I had to skip back a few times 🤣🤦♂️
I always come here for real reviews without the testosterone.
Thanks!
i am a big fan of the Gen5 SSD
b/c it forced gen 4 to be so cheap , as well as cost to make to drop
Yess same here
Gen5 drives coming out has little to do with why gen4 prices dropped so hard. It's plain and simple oversupply (combined with some other factors of course), lots of people buying during the pandemic kept supply low, the relative end of pandemic + economy worsening has now led to oversupply. Add in that for nand makers they are better off making more and selling even at a loss rather than making none (because manufacturing capacity was expanded during the pandemic to keep up with demand at the time) and it has turned into a perfect storm for pretty fast price drops.
@@nadtz wow thanks great explanation 😅
Please have a look to my experience, I am not a fan.
@@nadtz "nand makers they are better off making more and selling even at a loss rather than making none" that makes no sense. Expanding manufacturing capacity also results in a loss if you don't use the additional capacity. I bet they're using a lot less of that new capacity than what was projected.
I still appreciate these videos even though I've built my computer already. Yes, ignorance is a bliss too after you bought your parts and don't want to think about them for like 5 years, but, it's nice to see how tech keeps advancing. Anyways, I chose the SSDs based a lot on your benchmarks.
If you have M2, it's already 10 times faster than SATA ssd. I also have built ddr4 system, but I think it's sufficient for at least 5 years. Then when your system is at least 2 times slower than a competitive range PC, it starts worth thinking about upgrading.
I waited 10 years to upgrade, as Intel was making incremental minor upgrades for chips. Definitely this year is much better to upgrade than the previous one, but oh well, it always gets cheaper
Thank you Nada / Techtesters for this review 😇👍 productivity is where these drives are going to shine. How&far, with DirectStorage 1.2 coming out in newer games like Rachet & Clank etc, these drives may yet prove beneficial for loading times and graphical buffering etc 😉👍🥳. Impressive work on the SSD testing as I’ve made many SSD purchases in the last couple years based on your results 😇👍. Much appreciated Nada 🥰🥳
It'd be interesting to see how it fares in the Gen 4 slot... I know "no one" buys a gen 5 priced disk only to hamper it in a gen 4 slot, but... gen 4 would limit max throughput to 8GBps, and this thing gets hotter on max throughput loads, so it stands to reason the limit might actually help if it goes along with an even better temperature. Plus, maybe its power draw could also drop considerably, though maybe its controller needs this juice to support all those channels. Back at the time we were switching from gen 3 to 4, multiple reviewers did put those fresh new ones in the older "limited" slots to see if there are any improvements besides the top throughput bumps. In many cases, the top players from the last generation were better once such limit was posed, but, in some, the tests revealed better efficiency and architectural improvements in the controller to offer better latencies or caching performance since typically we saw a doubling of capacity or speed of DRAM or SLC caching over preceding generation. That led to some models keeping up or improving over older competitors regardless of whether the top speed reins were in place or not. Currently, some of the top drives from previous generation like Kingston KC3000 (and its "furious" brother) or Solidigm P44 Pro or Sabrent Rocket 4 or WD SN850X or Seagate Firecuda 530 or Samsung 990 Pro can have great performance that's not that far from what the newer drives show despite on paper being "25% or more" weaker, but better power draws and thermals due to years of engineering and manufacturing within the frames of gen 4, all at half to nearly third of the actual retail price of same capacity drives between gens. So are the newer gen models going to shine only in gen 5 port where they could spread their wings in the throughput loads over their gen 4 brethren? Or maybe the controller and NAND improvements required to sustain the claimed top speed are boosting the performance once limited to 8GBps? Think of it like the eco option on Ryzen CPUs that nowadays are designed to blast at full throttle thermals- and power-limiting but which could be "reined in" to more eco mode that blasts to top speed when needed but keeps over 90% performance at far better thermals and power draw in day-to-day tasks, or nVidia's whisper mode or whatever you call it now where knowing the screen limits lets you impose the frame cap limit giving you performance you want whilst not wasting unusable compute power to also reduce the power and thermals... let's see if gen 4 port limits and gen 5 oriented improvements in design work together as well or even better! After all, all these gen 5 devices seem to promise far higher IOPS, more channels to and better/denser NAND packages, suggesting there might be improvements in actual day-to-day loads regardless of port generation they're in.
Excellent vid and as always all the needed information easily shown and explained. Truely premium work!
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Nada could easily be a movie star....
ok, nice dress btw🤓💙
Thanks for including the Evo 2.5 SSD for reference. Well done.
no one needs this kind of horse power for video editing or 3d/cgi other then maybe and thats a huge maybe top end professionals that make movies, youtueb creators will never need this sort of horse power and there are very few computers out there that even have gen 5 slots and almost no one has them including gamers. and they dont need them either maybe in 20 more years ..
Good video, succinct and with factual data, necessary for a apples to apples comparison.
The gen5 ssd are all fun and awesome as technology goes, but
What i would like to see, and maybe some more people, is a video on a good sata ssd for mass storage, as in multiple 2 to 4 TB ones, i personally don't need a 6500MB/s drive, just something that could be index by a program, and if need to work on it i could move to the main nvme ssd.
Sorry for the offload but i've trying to find any recent video of yours with analysis of any sata ssd other than the samsung 980, but without success.
If anyone knows of one please say the name of video/product in analysis.
I think the best bet for storage is 4 TB SATA ssd's, or M2 with external PCI-e expansion (probably the latter, but they might heat up a lot, if without a good heatsink)
I use 2 samsung 960 evo 4 TB, but they got filled up quickly with modern games and HDR videos. We really need bigger SSD's, like 40 TB, but nothing is available which wouldn't cost like a used car.
I like that SATA SSD's are way better than HDD, which was noisyt,and I barely used it. But for anything regarding work, M2 is definitely, considerably faster, and it's not just some marginal improvement
I still think gen4 SSD is really better in terms of price to performance. Btw really detailed and nice review 💪👍
For now, definitely! And thank you
SN850x best gen 4 ssd & MP700 best gen5 ssd at least for games
4 dislikes? Crucial management was here apparently.
Good coverage. Given the hype over the PS5's total bandwidth, I thought we'd need Gen5 to handle Ratchet & Clank. Turns out Gen3 is enough. Lol. So I'm grabbing a couple SN850Xs and forgetting about this stuff until 2030. 😂
Great choice for the forseeable future :)
I might actually watercool an SSD....
T705 is out now. Are you going to review and compare it?
Recommend 4tb archive m2 ssds ..gen 3 & 4
Larger drives seem to run faster.
Don't forget to LIKE the video
great video!!!
You look beautiful 😊
Great video!
Crucial is always my 2nd choice for people who don't want to pay the Samsung tax.
Well there are no gen 4 or 5 Samsung 4tb nvmes so there isn't a Samsung choice to begin with.
Excellent video and information, kudos on a job well done. 👍😎
Thank you! 👍
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Thanks for the video. will I feel a difference between Samsung 980 pro which I currently have upgrade to Crucial T700 ?
Realistically, not for most scenarios. Maybe for really intense workloads like scrubbing through video.
Hello @Techtesters can you please add 905p optane 960gb to your graphs for comparison purposes
I would like to but I don’t think you can get them anymore?
I bet you they will definitely swap components afterwards without changing the drive name.
If they do that’ll make for some good content down the line ☺️
Yeah 👍
Interesting how the Kingston KC3000 and the Kingston Fury Renegade relate to each other through the tests
can somebody explain the SLC cache disks have on spec list? some have only dynamic like renegade fury with about 350GB and some others have less like 990p pro but come with static cache too,
i sort of a get it, over the time you will be filling the disk up, you will also have more cache avilable and less "down time" problems as with high latency spikes etc...
but what does static cache do on nvme exactly? save most frequent data? and is that a pro really or a con?
Really enjoy your shows-
can you do a show on PSU's in the future, especially the new ones that come with the 12 +4 300 to 600 watt PCIe ( 12VHPWR )
I really like the Seasonic, a bit pricey but you get what you pay for
Thank you.
You're welcome!
I couldn’t get windows 11 to recognize it as a boot drive, secondary yes, roughly 7000 mb/sec
Thank you for posting this very interesting review. I really appreciate it.
Looks promising, but the price for models... Well, too much 🙂
Thanks for your review! I'd be interested to know if the gen 5 ssds use more power - will they drain a laptop battery faster?
I’m subbed to most of the big tech reviewers on UA-cam, but I can never get enough of TechTesters! ❤
Really nice video but all I'm seeing is "just get the 850x" 😂
Thanks for this crucial information
see what you did there
Thanks for the video
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does it fit with the heatsink in a PS5?
Pointless to use this on a PS5. Needs Gen 5 port for full utilization.
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Just wondering in general, how often do people buy ssd's?
In my opinion, you are absolutely the best tech reviewer on UA-cam.
Thank you :$
Fantastic video
Hi nada great review as usual. I just wanna ask that is there any 4tb nvme which has nands on single side of pcb. I have asus z690 tuf wifi which hv thermal pad available only on the heatsink. I want to fill remaining 2 gen 4 slots. I already have 2tb p5 plus for boot and 2tb 970 evo plus for games.
Thanks! I don't know if any 4TB SSDs are completely single-sided. It also doesn't matter as you really only need to cool the controller, the NAND is usually fine even in closed spaces.
What's the point including a heatsink ? I think every single motherboard has a built in heatsink @ gen5 slot .
I'll skip this gen and keep my KC3000 SSDs .
Because gen5 is much more hotter.
Seagate Firecuda 530 wasn't there; was it not available at that time? It has excellent TBW, so I considered purchasing after reading your most recent review, however it isn't included 😔
Its in some older videos, there are too many drives to show each time.
Which is the best and the best value 4TB NVMe SSDs?
The sn850x most likely
I completely agree that it is too early for consumers "need" to have a Gen5 SSD. I think in a year from today, we will be scratching our heads with these prices. I remember buying a PS5 specific 1Tb SSD that was half the price of the console here in Canada.
PS5 uses the ssd to stream graphics assets during gameplay. It needs to be certain speed for the games to work.
Brilliant review, thank you.
My pleasure!
Fantastic video! I currently have the 2tb Samsung 990 pro for my gaming drive on a Legion 5i laptop. I'm playing Starfield at the moment (much like many other humans on the planet!) and typically get load screens of around 1-5 seconds depending on the situation. Has anyone used the Corsair MP700 with this game that can report any differences in load times when using that drive? I get that the load times I'm getting are super small anyway, but I'm just interested in the real world numbers in actual situations that these drives are going to be facing, not the numbers that the companies put out :)
Enjoy Starfield :P And I don't think you'll notice a real difference there between a 990 and a Gen5 tbh.
@@TechTesters I kinda suspected that, I think I'll skip splashing out on one just yet! Thanks for the reply :)
Thanks!
Thank you! ☺️
since the last few months you can find a Crucial P3 4TB (gen 3) for less than 190€. it would be cool to review it since it's such a bargain in terms of GB per euro
I’ll see if i can add a regular p3 to the test. I do have a p3 plus video iirc!
@@TechTesters yes I remember it. the p3 is currently the cheapest drive in most european countries to have 4tb capacity. I actually checked the price of the p3 plus, just 20€ more than the p3 in DE. I appreciate a lot you read comments.
Something to note. You are testing a lot of 2gb stick and with what i saw from various sites is that the 2gb and up sticks perform better than 1gb. The WD Black gen 4 might be even faster.
I have a video on the impact of capacity on my tests :)
@TechTesters do you happen to have a link?
You should honestly be getting 2TB or more these days. I mean sometimes one game alone is taking up 250GB. Plus OS, Apps, Videos. 2TB is the new sweet spot for me.
Straight to the point. Thanks for another information packed review!
Thank you!
Latency chart comparison would be nice :)
Latency chart is at 4:08 mark.
@@_Randwulf Thank you sir!
After having watched a bunch of your reviews on of ssds it helped me decide on getting the Samsung 990 pro and I absolutely love it, I absolutely appreciate your videos!
What about latency?
The graph is in the video ;)
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