The Death Of Art - Outsider Art Fair 2023, Chelsea, New York City [Ep 40]
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- On this episode of The Death Of Art, we prove that we are true outsiders of the New York art scene by paying forty bucks to get into a stinkin’ event. Let’s face it, would insiders ever do such a thing? Heck no!
The Outsider Art Fair 2023 was held at the Metropolitan Pavilion in Chelsea and we paid $40 each for entry. We found some good and bad things, met a few interesting folk, witnessed the life and death of Elvis, and yet our cynicism barely waned. Cyril was dying to know what was so outsider about the art. He’s still dying...
Hosted by Stefan Harshman & Cyril Mazard.
Shot and edited by Matt Reekie, March 2023.
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There is what is called the Art Mafia,; all the established galleries and Art collectors around the world who lift up and support certain Artists for the sole purpose of making money. They seek to advance an Artist into higher prices to serve their own desire to invest. It is highly political. That is insider Art. Outsider art is simply everyone else who struggles while making Art regardless of the financial gain possible. Some sell online and others do commissions and Art fairs. When I discovered how wrong everyone was about the Artists who literally starved during their lifetimes who now grace the walls of museums I stopped judging Art and Artists. If you keep doing Art you are an Artist. I lived and worked in New York City for years and exhibited in several galleries. I curated shows in corporations. Leaving NYC I and my wife sponsored shows for outsider Artists exhibiting in bars, special exhibitions and even put a sculptor in a shop window to carve a dragon in wood.
You nailed it. Great doco to watch is the great contemporary art bubble. I am from Sydney and work and hang out with artists and we are all outsider artists. There is a huge underground of artists, writers, musicians, actors etc everywhere. I do not expect anything thing from what I do and I support myself by other means as all of us do.
Yes, but the paintures must have a minimal visual esthetic, to wake feelings, impressions, etc; not only a visual colored “ disorder”!
@@noras.9774 Nora give up
sounds like maybe you were in position to offer better opportunities to Outsider Artists before leaving NY?
What do you want a cookie?
To me, the sheer purpose of creating art/painting is to tell a story. The more personal the better. To convey ideas and to bring joy to the viewer is always a bonus. When imagination meets the skill, that art becomes something sacred - like a spark of God. All great artists have that divine spark that shines so bright that it is hard to ignore, a talent that makes the most ordinary subject extraordinary. When I collect art, my eye searches for beauty first, then a story.
I agree but its a multi layered subject. I had an instructor who said all good art educates the viewer. Wheels within wheels.
@@TheDeathOfArt Like Ezekiel's Wheel. Yes. That is what profound art does. Gives meaning to otherwise pointless life.
That kinetic art with Vivaldi musical notes is definitely my favorite. The cult leader series is pretty entertaining. There's actually quite a lot of interesting works in that show. $40 is a pretty hefty fee for this kind of event, I guess it is NYC, but whoa. That's a lot of grocery money. I live on disability, so that kind of price seems to be impossible for someone who's an art lover in my status/income bracket. Thanks for bringing me to a sampling of that show, or rather bringing a sampling of that show to the world.
Thanks for checking it out!
@@TheDeathOfArt what is the name of the Kinetic artist with the painted frames please?
@@leadbelly1495 Gregory Horndeski is the artist. www.horndeskicontemporary.com
@@leadbelly1495 Also fascinating is that this is the same person: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horndeski%27s_theory
Good video. Surprised that it hasn’t more viewings. Thank you for uploading.
☘️🌝🌲
Well thank you for watching!
Lots of gallery’s and museums have free entry her in the uk, for example The Tate, A&V and the British museum. They get funded via the government and grants. Thanks guys, appreciated your tour.
That doesn't happen in the USA. You must pay for everything here.
@@karlabritfeld7104 That's not true, to be completely fair, in Washington DC there are free museums. The Smithsonian Institute consists of almost 20 museums and the National Zoo... and all are free to visit, Including National Art Gallery. Considering WashingtonDC and London are both capitals, they are pretty equal this way. New York is a very different story, still if you are a Manhattan resident, Metropolitan is free for you, for example.
Believe it or not 99% of all art openings were free 30 years ago AND they would ply you with cheese, crackers and headache inducing Champagne. The whole idea of charging money was seen as vulgar.
My goal for the day was to Grok the grouchy. I'm tired, old, unloved, my feet stink, and my relationship with Jesus could use some work. This is the high light of my morning. Keep up the good work!
One thing I'll say: though many of the creators shown here may be amateur or "outsider" artists, the framing and presentation of much of it looks very professional, like the fare at a regular gallery. Don't know if I'd say the same about the content, though in some cases it does appear the framing is worth more than the art.
The problem is, artist are all saying, YES we are Brut......But they are not.
I always thought that "outsider" referred to artists that do not participate in or reference the "Art History" narrative, as taught in art schools and universities. Mostly self-taught creators, these artists are either rebelling against or utterly ignoring the "mainstream", the "highbrow". I think that a few famous outsider artists would be Cézanne and van Gogh.
I don't know about Cezanne, but Van Gogh seems to be insider. He seems to have had family connections which knew and talked about the industry landscape.
I've followed Outsider Art for more than 60yrs. It used to be refreshing & surprising but now it looks to me like the fizzling limitations of the human imagination reiterating themselves with the same old same old. The mad world in itself unfolds with more styles & flair. But thank you for the money sacrifice that has verified this for me yet again.
@Kulia Rainbows I took university art classes and it was packed with people who were kinda good at drawing or made interesting drawings in middle school and art school so their teachers were like "wow, you are so creative! You could be an artist!"
but they didn't really care about improving so random students majoring in nursing would take art classes and be way better than them by the end of the class, in terms of making good art with compelling composition, color & value, and interesting concepts
Because the random nursing student was not at all ego invested like the art majors. The art majors saw their art as a physical manifestation of their self worth, making it hard for them to try new things. Instead they wanted to reproduce the same type of thing over and over, like a icon of self. They would call it "their art style" and get kind of pissy when the occasional professor wanted them to branch out and grow as an artist, or just complete the assignment like in the rubric which means doing the project a certain way they didn't like.
Some of these people had 5th grade tier art skills and would try to get around it by having "a message" which they definitely feel from the heart and totally did not lift from social media hoping to be respected as if they have something to say
"im an ARTIST"
one girl drew giant p*ssy to be subversive and I kept wanting to say it's been drawn 10,000 times, and probably a third of those times were on the walls of men's restrooms but instead I was like "wow so different" because I had to sit next to her all semester
it was all so tiresome, for every quiet person doing their own thing you had two of these people
also people were openly bullied by the "artist" quirky people for being too good and not fitting it, it was ridiculous and I witnessed sabotage but that's another story. You'd think university students wouldn't bully like middle schoolers. "Artists" man...
@Kulia Rainbows What was the song?
@Kulia Rainbows That's the main thing . . . Feeling.
Colorful and Happy! Art! YAY!
I was expecting not to like this video. But the inspiration is nothing to dismiss. Very good . Thank you. I do agree with your final comment.
Thank you. We are going to test my final comment next year. Perhaps we will sneak in through the fire exit, not sure how that will work out...
Seriously ? 40 the entrance ? Thank you for video , i enjoyed the visit .
It was $44 but we got slight break because we paid in cash. Everyone I know who went was annoyed at the price.
$40.00 for a ticket? At MoMA a standard ticket is $25.00. Apparently it's now more profitable to be "outside" than "inside."
Just taking advantage as usual. This is the USA.
i doubt if the artists in this show saw any money from the ticket price. If a piece was sold, they'd pay the gallery a commission. I'm sure the gallery gets the whole ticket price since they are publicizing and hosting the show. Although maybe someone in the industry can help us understand this better.
@@k33k32 I know. My point was that it seems ironic that people are paying more to see a show of "outsider" art than "insider" art. I'm pretty sure the galleries don't receive any of the ticket money. The "owner" of the show, as far as I know, receives both the ticket revenue and the booth revenue. That's why some galleries lose money at these shows; if they don't sell enough art to recoup the (usually significant) amount of money that they paid for the rental of their booth.
Eat it up! Loved it❤
I don't feel like watching. I'm glad I found this channel.
love the ice road truckers music
I always thought that outsider art was art that could only be sold outside the gallery system because no gallery would take the artist into its stable.
You're giving galleries too much credit
When I see the words, admission fee, at an art gallery I walk away.
Forty dollars!
You're alot smarter than I am!
You guys are great. So good to hear real people talking about Art as it should be. So sick of art reviewers gushing over works that they think they know all about.
Wow. Thanks for watching and thanks for this very positive take.
@@TheDeathOfArt I have no idea why you've only got 800 odd followers? I find it very entertaining when you and your art friend are both on camera. Keep up the great necessary work!
Totally agree. This really sings to me.
I like how grumpy you guys are about the exhibit, just prepared to hate the whole thing. Thanks for the video.
And thanks for watching!
I was an art dealer in NY for 35 years, and had to deal in this Garbage, while I collected "Real Art" for myself.
It does, but as Valkonnen implied getting good work is harder than it seems. Buying art that you can afford and makes you happy is the best way to win.
Sorry to say it Valkonnen, but that comment makes you sound like just another greedy fake art dealer supplying the machine with whatever you're told to whilst caring little about art itself. Another cultural serial killer - pretending to support "artists" while. ..........
Outsider Art? That’s like unsigned musicians. Some of this stuff is folk art, which shouldn’t be confused with outsider art, which galleries, like record labels, won’t touch. Galleries sell folk art, which is sincere but often crudely executed.
love it. thank you
I think, the most true to its definition outsider art can be found on the Internet and you don't have to pay a single penny. But you need to be able to dig through A LOT.
It can be found on the streets, in flea markets and bathrooms. At a certain point it's mostly a state of mind.
A 1962 sheet of Eddie Peace Flash in an outsider art show lol crazy Eddy aka Tex was and is one of my all time favorite folk artist, Tattooer and Flash painters
God i love the deadpan humour, subscribed
Humans have commodified themselves right out of their humanity. That is why public access to art is so important - libraries, public spaces, schools. THAT is where art needs to be displayed. Like the Lascaux Caves. Art is magic for the masses.
I agree. The more money that is injected into art the the less substance it seems to have...
@@TheDeathOfArt politicians and connected people seem to give it to their best friends nephew so he can glue large stuff together in an NOT aesthetically pleasing way, so many of these people are think the assignment is "be super WEIRD and pretend you are a mysterious, quirky, and deep person who understands it-- when really your just pretending to have an important job to do (or a job at all...)"
instead of my city funding public art, I wish they would fund art & craft classes or something. Maybe someone should raise awareness of basket weaving with all the local weeds and agressive vines that grow on everyone's fences here. You can paint and use the baskets and it's a real, practical, and relatable art form that's unnecessarily forgotten, people just trim and even pesticide their fences, sometimes burning all the dead vines and stuff. We live in such a lush climate but people where I live spend $$ all the time on wreaths and baskets imported from across the globe.
That's just one example. Instead we get unrelatable, boring, and spiritually oppressive stuff made by connected people that got free money somehow. It doesn't enhance people's lives in any way.
This was very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
If it doesnt move you move on!
That's the reason why I don't participate in the "art world" I prefer to give my paintings away so that those I painted may keep a memory of who and what they looked like. Also for the future generations. I have seen the art some do today and I can't believe it's called art.
Laffoley is one of my favorites. This Elvis series looks amazing, I would love to explore them in more depth!
I was ambivalent about the Elvis series at first glance but the work grows and grows on you the longer you look and take in all the details.
Nice, I love the video and how you are covering the event!
Thank you for your work. Great stuff.
Noticed a fair amount of traditional ritual art from India. Entirely different context than most of this.
Point Taken and Agreed : Commodification of "Outsider" Art is Disgusting, particularly when the Outsider is still alive and working .
Nevertheless it is crucial that "Outsider" work is Discovered and recognized. If Gallerists/Galleries that accept, or Discover works by "Primitives", the Untaught, the Insane, etc.market and profit, that seems part of the normal process, warts and all.
However, I think the rush to Categorize Artists/ their work can be both absurd and irrelevant. Many years ago a gallery liked, , accepted , and eventually sold one of my paintings. The curator said: "i think this might fit as thecurrent Neo-Expressionist style". Yes, I thought ,but is my painting any good ?
It's a bullshit world. Nobody seems to care whether or not the art is good.
One of the Rockefeller kids went to Papua New Guinea to collect "Primitive (outsider?) Art" art in the 1050's and he overloaded his boat so much that he got swamped and was promptly eaten by crocodiles or cannibals (the jury is still out about this).
The outsider art fair is just ongoing theatre.
insider art is art that has not been refused
You're giving the authorities on these matters far too much credit
So much visual art being produced today that no one has any room for.
Artists can start by not making their paintings pointlessly huge.
I watched til 2:59 all crap $40 is a rip off
Notice that the majority of the art is modernist , surreal, and/or abstract .
Who is the outsider ?
No one .
Where is Norman Rockwall , Andrew Wyeth, or even John Singer Sargent when you need them ?!?
they are sharting into a captain crunch box
@richardparker7121
And that makes no sense.
Please explain your point.
They are in the MET with real art
It doesn't matter if your "art" is outsider or insider.It matters if it's famous.
I was chewing on the quote about art not needing an explanation today, probably because my art history class is kicking my ass. Anyway. Thanks for the video I quite liked the physicists piece.
I took art history for years. My best tip is take good notes on the lectures and don't worry about reading all the books. The test and the SA is going to be on the lectures, so study your notes.
Keep going to galleries guys ! Loved it
Ive worked in Fine Art most of my adult life. I teach Fine Art and I make Fine Art. I can say relatively unbiasedly that the Fine Art collecting community is overwhelmingly elitist and pretentious.
100%
... which is why we started this channel...
Bei Künstlern der Outsider Art spüre ich die Existenz der Künstlerseele deutlich mehr als bei „normalen“ Künstlern❗️
Boing sound made me LOL. Important point by Stefan at the end, though.
We speak the international language of boing! Thanks for watching.
This video is very entertaining and your critics are humorous 😊❤
Thanks for taking the time to watch us!
Id like to see "art burnings" that would be an effective piece.
Its not as unusual as you might think. Google "Savonarola burning art". It happened over 500 years ago but is still an amazing story.
@The Death Of Art Thanks for the tip 👍🏼
I loved the funny and to-the-point commentary. Subbed 👍
Thanks! Welcome aboard!
"Late stage capitalism". Very profound. Thank you.
I find the whole concept of insider and outsider art incredibly elitist. Who gives anyone the right to look down on an artwork because the artist wasn't classically/formally instructed
That's the whole art world.
you guys are funniest …
Outsider art is art that exists outside of the art world or the art market which is usually monopolized, controlled and stifled by a group of gatekeepers, when the gatekeepers were the academy, outsiders exhibited their work in places like The Salon des Refusés, today the gatekeepers are the galleries, so outsiders are people who are prevented from participation in the art world by the monopoly of the galleries, but these shows are all controlled by the galleries and all the artists are represented by galleries, and any artist without gallery representation is not allowed to exhibit there, which makes the term “outsider” today meaningless, it’s just another rebrand of the same gatekeepers, and a marketing ploy to expand the market for the galleries, nothing more than fraudulent false advertising.
This one certainly is but fascinating art can be found in many places outside the gallery system. We have done many videos on this, from graveyards to empty lots.
Back when I used to smoke weed I drew some really wierd shit when I was stoned sometimes. Nothing that ive ever drawn sober comes even relatively close and that taught me that drugs can really effect art and produce wacky results
ET & Jesus - Wasn't ET also feared and would have been most likely killed if he hadn't been ushered home?
And one of the dumbest things about outsider art is one of the so called outsider art exports has to say you're a outsider artist or not you yourself can't say you are a outsider artist
The painful discovery of outsider art is that the work would never see the light of day till someone discovers the art work and exhibit them to the public! Any artist that claims that they are outside artist are just pretenders.
Outside art looks like amateur art, earnest creations by people who didn’t go to art school.
you can thank colleges for all this litter
Eat it up 🙉
I'll second that!
I feel sick, near to death
French guy's pessimism is rather refreshing and mood enhancing...or is it?
We can't tell either!
First time viewer here so i prob dont have enough context
Quite frankly was just annoying, i was constantly hoping he wouldnt come back to harsh the light hearted vibe
IF hes trying to be funny, just tell him to do it better lol
@@Warrenified This is as light-hearted as Cyril gets but we love him all the same. Ha!
@@TheDeathOfArt can u contact me
I dare say he carries the same bit of pessimistic wondering that a great deal of the general population does, myself included.
I remember being in a gallery in Newport one time viewing an artist who was rather abstract and geometric and a family member came up to me and quietly said ‘Sorry, but I don’t get it’. I said….’Well, that’s what you got’.
Death of art?
I like to think that art is like everything else, it keeps moving, and many people seldom have the time to sit next to it.
9:08 Why is the dead lady's hair 'ridiculous'? It's big hair, that's all, and it suits the owner.
Subbed thanks guys
Omg. This is so funny. I made a copy of my old cassette alarm clock radio in plaster craft and cast as well, probably in 8th or ninth grade, reminds me of oscars work. I had totally forgotten about that creation until this video. Everything about art in NYC seems to be about context. Although I guess that is true of other destinations and galleries. I guess I could jack up my prices if I'm labeled crazy, although I haven't cut anything off.
I try to look at this as a form of comedy.
"Colorful and happy, that's what I look for in art". I feel the same. We don't need more darkness.
Yeah, probably because i'm just getting older but I don't need to be taught anything dark anymore, it's just a waste of time when one should be tending one's own garden.
Cool
Thanks for saving me $40.00!
The only real outsider artists left are children.
Horrifying. Is that what these creators were going for?
most of it looks like something id have done as a child...
Having lived in Santa Fe New Mexico for almost 10 years , those of us locals know of a saying when “ artists” come to Santa Fe and that is if you have a box of crayons and you live in Santa Fe , Taos or Rio Arriba counties you can call yourself an artist .
It truly is 99% hipster fake humans that need recognition, meanwhile they are working at Trader Joe’s or Sprouts markets .
As far as NYC art scene being held as “ insider” or “ outsider “ art and artists people just seem to like labels and “art” was probably just to blasé for today’s attention grabbers .
I particularly liked the young man explaining the artists work of naked women and sex and storytelling around the frame .
Exactly the type of young person today that needs to glorify a statement, nothing really to do with color or textures, just storytelling of sexual innuendo.
The NYC art scene is over rated on many levels. I've seen great stuff in the middle of nowhere.
I think I'm in love with you both. ❤
Thank you! There can never be too much love in this world!
40 bucks admission fee; real outsiders.
Well done Legends ...
Thanks for watching!
アウトサイダーアート展で何故食玩根付けが展示されてるのだろう？？？
8.24 "Yoshi Netsuke is a very good artist" You're joking or you are a real outsider.
The latter!
2:28 did i hear someone say "he's on the autism spectrum..."
We overheard that too.
I believe many outsider artists are on the spectrum. Many are even institutionalized. The whole concept of individuals with alternative abilities making art for largely therapeutic reasons rather than as a vocation has always seemed to teeter the line of ethics when presenting shows of “outsider art” at such exorbitant entrance rates, exploitative, even.
Art is totally subjective 🙄..There was some cool and interesting art! A majority of it was garbage! Not worthy of the space it was in…
The more work categories will be done by robots, the more artists we will have, regardless of talent. But, I would appreciate an explanation of why there are well known museums wich have large surfaces covered with dust ( earth), manure, leaves, etc? And then, what about the continuous discovery of new chefs-d'œuvres signed by van Gogh, Picasso, Renoir, etc? Is it a sort of inflation of art?
If you didnt get your MFA from Yale, your Outsider
There is nothing outsider about the entrance admission.
The 40 dollar admission fee was all I had to hear...
This video reminds me of the movie "Grumpy Old Men" and I hope I can one day too scream at kids to get off my lawn. Figuratively and genuinely.
Cyril will be back soon!
Outsider art is done by people like myself, homeless people forced to do our art outside. The bug to make art overwhelms even the shitty circumstances...
That's how Basquiat started.
as an artist I find the art at most of these fair type shows full of commercial tedious garbage at least this stuff has more folk type imagination and concepts not earth shattering but at least it's not Marilyn Monroe covered in resin and or glitter like what the LA art show has become. I really liked the Elvis piece even though most celebrity images art makes me sick.
Looks like 1999, suburban art fair...... $40 was outrageous.The collages were a poor mans JOESPH CORNELL
I notice that one requirement of art today is that it be ugly.
Beauty is suspect and trivial.
Let’s face it most of the “ art” could be done by first graders.
I now live in Finland and for the most part seeing sites like this brings me back to the days of when a artist could put glitter on a old worn pair of western boots and sell it for 4-5 figures .
I personally know of a woman who did exactly that .
If the artist was doing 25 years in gaol, wouldn’t that qualify as insider art? :)
Touche! 🤣
where is the art? I did not see any yet
I like how- ugh. I mean ive got no right to say anything because ive got no artistic ability and lack any mentality related to wanting to improve but... Damn there's some art in their that looks like toddlers drew them
I actually like a lot of children's artwork more than what's in that gallery. A lot of children's artwork is much more intricate and imaginative and colorful.
Never underestimate toddlers when it comes to art. Salvadore Dali hated children's art. I am amazed that we look at it at all but still sometimes there is something there.
@@TheDeathOfArt I've seen some pretty creative things from children of various ages. I've seen some art that children have made that is exceptional, skilled and extremely impressive.
the term outsider art exists so that otherwise "valueless" art may be sold for exorbitant prices
Even the value of gold is subjective.
I am stunned by the artistic ability...or lack of! YGBSM (You Gotta Be Shitting Me!) The audacity of these fools! They should be paying to see this offal!
Wow WAC, what a pithy, well thought out & thoroughly reasoned & explained thought! I am in awe of your prodigious intellect. Where might I find more of your scintillating, philosophical views?
@@jeffreyolson2139 you mad Mary Kate Ashley
Lol yeah $40 😂 the guy called it late stage capitalism 💯
Late stage capitalism is when a consumer based economy begins consuming the means of consumption.
I’m a 76 year young artist working on marketing my art. Not going to do shows. Artists can not afford to do shows. Sex sells. There are so many bad abstracts. Frustrating
Find an attractive empty wall in your downtown area, contact the owner, offer him/ her 30% of any sales, promote your one day opening and you have a show. Or just do it with out all that and hope the cops show up, great publicity.
The bigger the Fool...the bigger the entrance fee
Don't go
You are right. The only reason they don't charge $100 is because there would be a stampede and people would die.
Instagram is good place for outside art
I wen to the first few Outside art fairs - at the Puck building if I recall correctly but i no way recall paying such an exorbitant fee to enter....Oh and the artists name is not 'Netsuke Yokai' - 'Yokai' are actually Japanese mythic folktale creatures and 'Netsuke' are the small sculptural form itself
Thanks! And thanks for watching!
Very simple, From prison, From mental home, or a something strange, that not been seen.
THat is outsider Brut.
I think that the only time a work of art is outside is prior to it being hung on a wall and therefore is seeking approval
Art isn't judged. The artists get judged.
Yes, best to stay well out of it!
Outsider art has a specific definition whether the French guy accepts it or not. He should read more perhaps
Outsider AF (as fuck) . . . 🤫😂😂😂😂🇺🇸 40 bucks admission fee?! That’s really outside!