It’s a real shame because Plagueis was trying to transcend the RO2 and would have shared equal power with Palpy whilst giving him immortality. Plag+Palp is a much better approach than Palp+broken Vader.
It helps me to cope when I think of Disney’s Star Wars as an alternate timeline. A timeline that branched out when….oh I don’t know, maybe when Palpatine died or something.
I like to think that if Plagueis wasn't so Drunk, Palpatine would have been Blast and Chastised as like a newbie by His Master, Showing Palps why he is The Dark Master and the Dark Lord of the Sith
@@0predaking0 ehhhh maybe. Pretty sure plagueis saw palpatine as his equal. I think it would be a toss up if they fought. Palpatine himself wasn’t sure if he could beat plagueis, so he waited until plagueis had little to no chance of fighting back. I’ve been saying I want there to be a what if series, not just an animated show but a live action show or movies. One of the what if scenarios I’d like to see is plagueis fighting palpatine
@@juice_man4439 At that point, I would give Plagueis the edge in Force power and certainly knowledge. Sidious was quite frightened of his power, he simply didn't have an idea of how powerful his master was. Even after Plagueis was lying there dying, Sidious was terrified he'd spring back to life and smite him. But it is an open question as to which if the two was better with a blade. Sidious was very good but was super rusty due to lack of practice, as was Plagueis. At that time Plagueis considered Dooku better than both of them with the blade. Sidious didn't become demonstrably the most powerful Sith until around ROTS with Order 66. I think it is overstated how powerful he was. Given what we have seen of Yoda, Mace, Dooku and Sidious in the Clone Wars era, Sidious was certainly Yoda's peer but the two were actually only marginally more powerful than Dooku or Mace, and Sidious not as good of a pure swordsman compared to the three either.
His actions show me that Palpatine feared his Master otherwise Palpatine wouldn’t have made a move on Plagueis’ life if he were sober. Definitely a dick nice but also, they are Sith and they thrive in trickery, manipulation, taking advantage of others in weaker states/mind frames etc.
@juice_man4439 True. At the time of Phantom Menace, Plagueis was one of only two individuals Sidious saw as a threat, the other one being Yoda. It's easy for Palpatine to claim he's more powerful when he's literally shooting force lightning into a drunk and sleeping Plagueis' resperator.
I still love this book. I might've paid good money for just a little bit more of Chapter 1, to get more Darth Tenebrous, and Plagueis' own rise to power, and claiming the mantle, but it is a great book. I still don't truly get what "great loss" Sidious felt, since Maul retroactively survived, and even came back mostly as powerful as he had been, despite losing something like half of his native strength, and wondering if he felt the same when Vader was minced up? I also don't entirely understand why Plagueis wanted to be co-Chancellor, when functioning from the shadows had worked so well till then? In his mind, at least, he'd still hold sway over Sidious, even if Palpatine became Chancellor, and he'd still want the freedom to research his Force experiments, without having to deal with politics, which is what Sidious was for, but I get something did need to happen to him, to get us back to the story we knew, as it was presented, so it's fine.
Because the ways of the Sith are the ways of sacrifice. To truly ascend to the Dark Lord of the Sith an apprentice must show both they have the power needed to destroy their master who stands in their way of greater power but also demonstrate they are willing to do whatever it takes to seize that title of Sith master for themselves. Sidious knew that Plagueis was no longer of value to him and that Plagueis was now an obstacle that was in his way that he needed to destroy to claim the title of Sith Master.
It is interesting to play things out had Sidious failed. The Sith Grand Plan would have only been delayed by a couple years as Plagueis had already made contingency plans in the event Sidious was unexpectedly killed, or rebelled, or failed. Plagueis had long watched Dooku and would have slotted the count in as apprentice very quickly and the outcome would have been the same. Dooku also would have become Chancellor. Interestingly enough, at around the time of TPM, Plagueis considered Dooku and Sidious to be equal in Force power, but Dooku the better duelist and more knowledgeable in general thanks to his time as a Jedi. But Sidious outpaced Dooku once Plagueis was killed but the gap is not what some think it was. Ironically, Dooku was the exact apprentice Plagueis wanted Sidious to be: A true partner and interested in the esoterica of the Force and Dooku's nearly peerless knowledge of the Lightside would have been very valuable. The two would have been on the same page and I don't Dooku would have wanted to overthrow Plagueis the way he did Sidious. Plagueis meant it when he said he wanted a true partner, whereas Sidious only ever used his apprentices as tools.
Plagues dying during battle episode one doesn’t add up. Darth Maul was a fully trained Sith. I doubt Plagues had no idea of another Sith was being trained. Plagues had to have died when Palpatine was a young man.
That's all explained in the book. Plagueis allowed Sidious to train Maul as a Sith assassin. He knew about Maul, but Maul didn't know about him. Sidious went behind Plagueis' back and called Maul his apprentice. Plagueis wanted to end the rule of two altogether, so he didn't care about Maul being trained as their assassin.
Palpatine was Plagueis apprentice for a long time. Palpatine being a human didn’t kill Plagueis until he was in his middle fifties which was already a large chunk of his lifespan.
It does seem quite silly someone with the moniker Darth Plagueis: The Wise would succumb to drunkeness. It also seems rather odd that Palpatine would indulge in that kind of behavior.
This is true. He didn't sleep. Plus Plagueis getting drunk was very atypical. Sidious didn't plan on killing his master. It was a spur of the moment thing, just like when Plagueis killed his master.
Is true at the time of ep1 plagueis was recovering of the accident? Some fans claims he was close to achieve the inmortality and for that reason palpatine kill him before was too late, that due his control of midiclorians he was actually rejuvenating.
I’d say somewhat. I don’t think plagueis had the control that he thought he did, if he could rejuvenate himself so well then he wouldn’t have needed his breathing apparatus, he could’ve repaired his lungs. He was supposedly closer than he’d ever been to discovering the secret, but personally I don’t think he would’ve. Even Lucas himself has said the dark side doesn’t offer immortality. That’s the catch 22, most sith crave that power but only a light side user can achieve that power. I don’t think plagueis ever discovers it if he lived. Palpatine was growing tired of him, since he spent most of his time trying to achieve immortality instead of furthering the sith grand plan. Plagueis first wanted to discover it, then he could take all the time he needed to eliminate the Jedi and rose to power, but palpatine wanted to rise to power first and worry about immortality later.
Plagueis was pretty over the assassination attempts by TPM. He was back in public. Sidious didn't even plan to kill him, it was an opportunity that he almost passed up. Like when Plagueis killed Tenebrous, it was a chance that presented itself unexpectedly. At this point Sidious was also unsure to the extreme he could take Plagueis in a straight fight. In fact, he never considered it. He didn't have a plan to overthrow him and had Plagueis not been drunk that night, Sidious was somewhat content to continue as apprentice.
@@juice_man4439 I think plagueis could achieve in the future, he knew about the midiclorians that was the key, is such a waste what happened. I would like he would survive somehow and then back after the events of ROJ.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 yes that was the more crazy thing of all, even with the years of training in the dark side and plagueis being weaker cause the assasination attempts sidious not was willing to a direct confrontation,which told me yoda no stand a chance against plagueis and that's pretty scary.
@@Rickil96trollencio they could’ve done that with the sequel trilogy and had him manipulate kylo to the dark side but then have him and rey have to stop plagueis. Anything would’ve been better that what they did with the sequels
Palpatine killed his own parents and Plageus manipulated that to get Palpatine to turn to the dark side even though Palpatine was already on that road then Palaguies teaches Plaps how to kill with force lightning and teachers in every other force power that he has but expects Palpatine not to turn on him? Plagues was the most knowledgeable Sith ever but he didn’t see Palpatine coming for him….. how can you trust someone who killed their own family 😊
I think he definitely would’ve beaten Palps in a fair 1v1. He was incredibly powerful in the Force and a deadly fighter. He was stronger, but Palps outsmarted him
Palpatine didn't kill Plagueis. Plagueis killed Palpatine and took over his body. As Palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis the Wise, a look of satisfaction come over Palpatine's face. He is reveling in how he played his apprentice like a fiddle and took over his body. The story, a troll, netted him the chosen one. Unfortunately, Anakin damaged his body, he was to be his next victim. This why Palpatine was either trying create or find highly force sensitives. He wanted their bodies to gain unlimited power and extend his life. Remember he wanted Rey and Kylo to kill him. During the process he would turn it on them, but it didn't work. Maybe.
In theory it would make sense given his name Darth Plagueis; plague. However, nothing like that was ever hinted at and is only headcannon. Granted, it's a good theory, but headcannon nonetheless.
Snoke wes supposed to be Darth Plagueis The Wise thats the direction they was going Disney and then they took a huge u turn and we all know what happened there just what a shame the last trilogy could of been something really special if Disney would of stuck to there original plans but they didn't and the trilogy was a absolute joke.
@QuietRiot3991 Yeah I know he isn't a Munn it was a clone he was using and manipulating to hide his true dentity and eventually Darth Plagueis The Wise would reveal him self or Snoke could of been his apprentice it was one or the other but me personally I'd say they was going with a clone Plagueis was using and Kylo Ren was his apprentice witch they kept that idea when Disney braught back Palpatine/Darth Sidious from the dead out of pure desperation and the rest is history they ruined something that could of been very special.
The idea that Palpatine’s master was alive during the phantom menace is stupid. Yes, stupid. He should have killed his master decades prior, set up his plan to fake his way into the peaceful Naboo…. Not having been from there, to manipulate them so his dark plan to rise in power could happen without his master being like “ hey I see what you’re doing!!! “ Jen he searches for an apprentice and maybe dues through a couple until maul. Sometimes I think Star Wars writers and fans have no sense of good story and want to cram rubbish in to tie up loose ends that don’t need tied.
For some reason I always imagined Palpatine smothering Plagueis with a pillow as he slept. I have no idea why.
That book is canon to me. I don't care what Disney says. This is the series of events that happened before Episode 1 in my head.
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He shot him with a crossbow while he was taking a dump.
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It’s a real shame because Plagueis was trying to transcend the RO2 and would have shared equal power with Palpy whilst giving him immortality. Plag+Palp is a much better approach than Palp+broken Vader.
He forgot that Sith aren't big on the sharing thing
It helps me to cope when I think of Disney’s Star Wars as an alternate timeline. A timeline that branched out when….oh I don’t know, maybe when Palpatine died or something.
I like to think that if Plagueis wasn't so Drunk, Palpatine would have been Blast and Chastised as like a newbie by His Master, Showing Palps why he is The Dark Master and the Dark Lord of the Sith
@@0predaking0 ehhhh maybe. Pretty sure plagueis saw palpatine as his equal. I think it would be a toss up if they fought. Palpatine himself wasn’t sure if he could beat plagueis, so he waited until plagueis had little to no chance of fighting back. I’ve been saying I want there to be a what if series, not just an animated show but a live action show or movies. One of the what if scenarios I’d like to see is plagueis fighting palpatine
@@juice_man4439 At that point, I would give Plagueis the edge in Force power and certainly knowledge. Sidious was quite frightened of his power, he simply didn't have an idea of how powerful his master was. Even after Plagueis was lying there dying, Sidious was terrified he'd spring back to life and smite him. But it is an open question as to which if the two was better with a blade. Sidious was very good but was super rusty due to lack of practice, as was Plagueis. At that time Plagueis considered Dooku better than both of them with the blade. Sidious didn't become demonstrably the most powerful Sith until around ROTS with Order 66. I think it is overstated how powerful he was. Given what we have seen of Yoda, Mace, Dooku and Sidious in the Clone Wars era, Sidious was certainly Yoda's peer but the two were actually only marginally more powerful than Dooku or Mace, and Sidious not as good of a pure swordsman compared to the three either.
His actions show me that Palpatine feared his Master otherwise Palpatine wouldn’t have made a move on Plagueis’ life if he were sober. Definitely a dick nice but also, they are Sith and they thrive in trickery, manipulation, taking advantage of others in weaker states/mind frames etc.
Move* not ‘nice’ haha
@juice_man4439 True. At the time of Phantom Menace, Plagueis was one of only two individuals Sidious saw as a threat, the other one being Yoda. It's easy for Palpatine to claim he's more powerful when he's literally shooting force lightning into a drunk and sleeping Plagueis' resperator.
bottom line...Palpatine killed Plagueis when he was drunk... a smart move... you can't function well if your drunk,
I concur
@patrickperalta59 sure, but pathetically cowardly... so much for the greatness of the sith where there is no honour... just power
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I still love this book. I might've paid good money for just a little bit more of Chapter 1, to get more Darth Tenebrous, and Plagueis' own rise to power, and claiming the mantle, but it is a great book. I still don't truly get what "great loss" Sidious felt, since Maul retroactively survived, and even came back mostly as powerful as he had been, despite losing something like half of his native strength, and wondering if he felt the same when Vader was minced up? I also don't entirely understand why Plagueis wanted to be co-Chancellor, when functioning from the shadows had worked so well till then? In his mind, at least, he'd still hold sway over Sidious, even if Palpatine became Chancellor, and he'd still want the freedom to research his Force experiments, without having to deal with politics, which is what Sidious was for, but I get something did need to happen to him, to get us back to the story we knew, as it was presented, so it's fine.
Because the ways of the Sith are the ways of sacrifice.
To truly ascend to the Dark Lord of the Sith an apprentice must show both they have the power needed to destroy their master who stands in their way of greater power but also demonstrate they are willing to do whatever it takes to seize that title of Sith master for themselves. Sidious knew that Plagueis was no longer of value to him and that Plagueis was now an obstacle that was in his way that he needed to destroy to claim the title of Sith Master.
It is interesting to play things out had Sidious failed. The Sith Grand Plan would have only been delayed by a couple years as Plagueis had already made contingency plans in the event Sidious was unexpectedly killed, or rebelled, or failed. Plagueis had long watched Dooku and would have slotted the count in as apprentice very quickly and the outcome would have been the same. Dooku also would have become Chancellor. Interestingly enough, at around the time of TPM, Plagueis considered Dooku and Sidious to be equal in Force power, but Dooku the better duelist and more knowledgeable in general thanks to his time as a Jedi. But Sidious outpaced Dooku once Plagueis was killed but the gap is not what some think it was. Ironically, Dooku was the exact apprentice Plagueis wanted Sidious to be: A true partner and interested in the esoterica of the Force and Dooku's nearly peerless knowledge of the Lightside would have been very valuable. The two would have been on the same page and I don't Dooku would have wanted to overthrow Plagueis the way he did Sidious. Plagueis meant it when he said he wanted a true partner, whereas Sidious only ever used his apprentices as tools.
Plagueis outlived his usefulness to
Palpatine and Palpatine had no intention of sharing power.
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Plagues dying during battle episode one doesn’t add up. Darth Maul was a fully trained Sith. I doubt Plagues had no idea of another Sith was being trained. Plagues had to have died when Palpatine was a young man.
That's all explained in the book. Plagueis allowed Sidious to train Maul as a Sith assassin. He knew about Maul, but Maul didn't know about him. Sidious went behind Plagueis' back and called Maul his apprentice. Plagueis wanted to end the rule of two altogether, so he didn't care about Maul being trained as their assassin.
Palpatine was Plagueis apprentice for a long time. Palpatine being a human didn’t kill Plagueis until he was in his middle fifties which was already a large chunk of his lifespan.
This has to be one of the worst plots ever. Sith Drink? They go to bars and strip clubs as well? Nobody could come up with a better idea than this?
It does seem quite silly someone with the moniker Darth Plagueis: The Wise would succumb to drunkeness. It also seems rather odd that Palpatine would indulge in that kind of behavior.
He drank through his nose? Gross
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He was running out of time. If Plagueis reached immortality, he would have never become master.
Well, this book is our canon!
I heard Darth Plagueis didn't sleep and use the force because he was scared of death
This is true. He didn't sleep. Plus Plagueis getting drunk was very atypical. Sidious didn't plan on killing his master. It was a spur of the moment thing, just like when Plagueis killed his master.
Is true at the time of ep1 plagueis was recovering of the accident? Some fans claims he was close to achieve the inmortality and for that reason palpatine kill him before was too late, that due his control of midiclorians he was actually rejuvenating.
I’d say somewhat. I don’t think plagueis had the control that he thought he did, if he could rejuvenate himself so well then he wouldn’t have needed his breathing apparatus, he could’ve repaired his lungs. He was supposedly closer than he’d ever been to discovering the secret, but personally I don’t think he would’ve. Even Lucas himself has said the dark side doesn’t offer immortality. That’s the catch 22, most sith crave that power but only a light side user can achieve that power. I don’t think plagueis ever discovers it if he lived. Palpatine was growing tired of him, since he spent most of his time trying to achieve immortality instead of furthering the sith grand plan. Plagueis first wanted to discover it, then he could take all the time he needed to eliminate the Jedi and rose to power, but palpatine wanted to rise to power first and worry about immortality later.
Plagueis was pretty over the assassination attempts by TPM. He was back in public. Sidious didn't even plan to kill him, it was an opportunity that he almost passed up. Like when Plagueis killed Tenebrous, it was a chance that presented itself unexpectedly. At this point Sidious was also unsure to the extreme he could take Plagueis in a straight fight. In fact, he never considered it. He didn't have a plan to overthrow him and had Plagueis not been drunk that night, Sidious was somewhat content to continue as apprentice.
@@juice_man4439 I think plagueis could achieve in the future, he knew about the midiclorians that was the key, is such a waste what happened.
I would like he would survive somehow and then back after the events of ROJ.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 yes that was the more crazy thing of all, even with the years of training in the dark side and plagueis being weaker cause the assasination attempts sidious not was willing to a direct confrontation,which told me yoda no stand a chance against plagueis and that's pretty scary.
@@Rickil96trollencio they could’ve done that with the sequel trilogy and had him manipulate kylo to the dark side but then have him and rey have to stop plagueis. Anything would’ve been better that what they did with the sequels
This is part of my #mystarwarscanon
Palpatine killed his own parents and Plageus manipulated that to get Palpatine to turn to the dark side even though Palpatine was already on that road then Palaguies teaches Plaps how to kill with force lightning and teachers in every other force power that he has but expects Palpatine not to turn on him? Plagues was the most knowledgeable Sith ever but he didn’t see Palpatine coming for him….. how can you trust someone who killed their own family 😊
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In a fair fight would Palpatine still win? Or was Plagueis more powerful than him?
I think he definitely would’ve beaten Palps in a fair 1v1. He was incredibly powerful in the Force and a deadly fighter. He was stronger, but Palps outsmarted him
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I think at that point Plagueis was definitely stronger. He was so powerful in the force that he could literally *will* someone to die.
Palpatine didn't kill Plagueis. Plagueis killed Palpatine and took over his body. As Palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis the Wise, a look of satisfaction come over Palpatine's face. He is reveling in how he played his apprentice like a fiddle and took over his body. The story, a troll, netted him the chosen one. Unfortunately, Anakin damaged his body, he was to be his next victim.
This why Palpatine was either trying create or find highly force sensitives. He wanted their bodies to gain unlimited power and extend his life. Remember he wanted Rey and Kylo to kill him. During the process he would turn it on them, but it didn't work. Maybe.
In theory it would make sense given his name Darth Plagueis; plague. However, nothing like that was ever hinted at and is only headcannon. Granted, it's a good theory, but headcannon nonetheless.
Snoke wes supposed to be Darth Plagueis The Wise thats the direction they was going Disney and then they took a huge u turn and we all know what happened there just what a shame the last trilogy could of been something really special if Disney would of stuck to there original plans but they didn't and the trilogy was a absolute joke.
Snoke doesn't look much like a Munn though.
@QuietRiot3991 Yeah I know he isn't a Munn it was a clone he was using and manipulating to hide his true dentity and eventually Darth Plagueis The Wise would reveal him self or Snoke could of been his apprentice it was one or the other but me personally I'd say they was going with a clone Plagueis was using and Kylo Ren was his apprentice witch they kept that idea when Disney braught back Palpatine/Darth Sidious from the dead out of pure desperation and the rest is history they ruined something that could of been very special.
The idea that Palpatine’s master was alive during the phantom menace is stupid. Yes, stupid. He should have killed his master decades prior, set up his plan to fake his way into the peaceful Naboo…. Not having been from there, to manipulate them so his dark plan to rise in power could happen without his master being like “ hey I see what you’re doing!!! “ Jen he searches for an apprentice and maybe dues through a couple until maul. Sometimes I think Star Wars writers and fans have no sense of good story and want to cram rubbish in to tie up loose ends that don’t need tied.
Theres nothing wrong witu the story, It was fine that's just your opinion
He wouldn't of been able to kill his master any earlier