Soxhlet Mushroom Extraction Tinctures

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  • @BorealMushroomms
    @BorealMushroomms 11 місяців тому +22

    The water temperature only needs to be lower than the boiling point of whatever you have in the boiling flask in order for it to condense, otherwise you are using more energy than needed. In your case, the water is very cold, causing the vapors to condense quickly at the bottom end of the condenser, which is dumping cold liquid into the turkey tail, and when that siphons into your boiling flask, it drops the temperature, meaning your mantle is working harder than it needs to be, and you are using excess energy to continually cool your condensing water, and also to heat the contents of your boiling flask. I run my soxhlet using room temperature water recirculate from a giant tub, and it will naturally cool itself some as the heat is transferred to it. Another options which I have done while distilling is to run the return warm water off the condenser through a radiator with finds and have a fan blowing through it - this will remove some of the heat and get the water temperature back down to room temperature. It uses less power than a chiller. Your boiling flask is also overfilled and it is bubbling... this creates pressure spikes up through the soxhlet extractor. Set up your boiling flask so at maximum volume it is only slightly over half full. You don't need the heatsinks on the soxhlet itself - actually be design its supposed to be warmed up some via the way it contacts the boiling flask. Warm ethanol will extract much better than cold. For my stuff, usually 4-8 rounds of the soxhlet is all that is needed for a full extraction (species dependent). For the soxhlet many people run a thimble (glassware filter) but I use organic muslim tea bags - they come in various sizes and have draw strings, use the size that will best fit your soxhlet. You need to filter so that no solids go back into your boiling flask.

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому +2

      I do plan to switch the primary condensers to drain to waste cold tap water, which, especially in winter, is plenty cold. Then, I'll use the chest freezer running the secondary trap condensers at much lower temps to catch all the high and light compounds. For the flask, this was a first run with the rope like this. Previous runs with the level below the mantle rope, it scorched the foam because of the hot glass beng dry fired. I actually ordered some femcap s to help remedy the round boiling flasks, commonly used in brewing for boil over prevention. I also ordered a tri clamp 6x12 spool and 7.5" tall 360* sight glass to be my next boiler. I'll be running a 6" 850w heat clamp way down at the bottom to avoid scorching and boil over.

    • @HavokBWR
      @HavokBWR 9 місяців тому

      How many cycles do you run for Lionsmane? looking to buy one of these extractor kits soon.

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  7 місяців тому +1

      @@HavokBWR until it runs clear

    • @RakkaSan7219
      @RakkaSan7219 5 місяців тому

      That answers my confusion as to what the point was boiling when alcohol isn't touching enrolls until its cold....just do cold extraction....unless heat was his way of moving it threw nonstop..lol
      Warm+ almost always Best.
      Plus mixing water/alcohol same time changes boiling temp as well as debris w it anyway..still not very useful cold...in end.

  • @LarsLarsen77
    @LarsLarsen77 11 місяців тому +4

    You're right about the phase change.

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому +1

      Yea, I thought so. Thanks for confirming. Lots of energy in that phase change, much more then a few degrees cooler liquid.

  • @rickfoss1136
    @rickfoss1136 11 місяців тому +4

    Cool stuff man. Love watching your videos. I just did my first soxhlet run a couple weeks ago with lions mane. I did like you said and ran a a thimble full and once it ran clear I put fresh lions mane in and ran a second. I feel like it’s much more concentrated than a soak method. Cool part I like is at the end I can take the mushrooms out and take some solvent off to concentrate it even more. Cool shit man. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge. Thanks for your service also!!

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому +2

      Soxhlet is pretty awesome, especially when you run a larger extraction chamber and pack it full. You really make it as concentrated as you want.

  • @kieranfellowes8940
    @kieranfellowes8940 10 місяців тому +1

    Hey man seen your vids years ago and am now just getting into farming, thanks for keeping up the content

  • @Engineer91st
    @Engineer91st 11 місяців тому +1

    EM the mad scientist. Nice job

  • @dronelabs556
    @dronelabs556 10 місяців тому

    Wow very cool I came up with the same chest freezer idea but didn’t think of filling it with water. Nice!
    I’m running smaller setup at a reduced pressure to save on heat energy required to distill solvents.
    In certain extractions and isolations heat is not great can break down the targeted molecules/complexes. Being able to control extraction temps is real nice.

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  10 місяців тому +1

      It works great, just make sure you seal the drain plug and seams really well. Fill the coolant to cover the top coils and keep a pump circulating if your not using glycol so ice only forms on the outside.

    • @dronelabs556
      @dronelabs556 10 місяців тому

      @@MyersMushroomsFarms sweet! My setup is small olny 500ml soxlet so I filled the freezer ~1/4 way up with a full 5Gal bucket in the middle. Let it all freeze semi solid around a 360mm CPU radiator sitting the 5Gal.
      The pump for the loop sits submerged in a single gallon water reservoir I have set up on the ledge above the compressor. While charging I pulse the pump every few mins to prevent the loop from freezing solid (could use glycol in the loop). When system is in use the pump runs nonstop. This prevents loss of energy from the constant movement of water.
      Coolant temp can be adjusted by adding more radiators or more water in the reservoir.
      Used 3/8 bulkhead barbs and drilled out the door to pass inlet and outlet as well as power pass thru a 1/4” hole so It can be closed. Then seal up with some eps and glue.

  • @shanespores1027
    @shanespores1027 11 місяців тому +1

    Eric is fr Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor but for mushrooms 😂 Love seeing the over-engineering off new methods, gives great food for thought on what improves can/should be made!

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому +3

      I mean who doesn't need a touchscreen data logger on your lab equipment? 😂

    • @TheTubejunky
      @TheTubejunky 8 місяців тому

      His voice reminds me of Ray Ramono to be honest. 😂

  • @johnskillen6208
    @johnskillen6208 6 місяців тому

    does the constant boiling not harm the end product

  • @TheTubejunky
    @TheTubejunky 8 місяців тому

    Wb man. We've missed you .

  • @LeonPhythian69
    @LeonPhythian69 21 день тому

    I'd heard that running a decoction extraction method rather than two separate methods, ie, water first then alcohol can severely depreciate the Beta Glucan level. is that utter bunkum? What are your findings on this front, man?

  • @p_peja
    @p_peja 9 місяців тому

    Thank you for this video. Are some of alcohol extracted substances sensitive to heat?

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  9 місяців тому +1

      Yes some are

    • @p_peja
      @p_peja 9 місяців тому +1

      @@MyersMushroomsFarms Thank you for reply. My concern is that boiling alcohol extract during the soxhlet procedure would destroy some of beneficial compounds in it.

  • @linussoderberg8473
    @linussoderberg8473 11 місяців тому

    the lions mane extract at 8.15 is looking really potent :D do you stirr this and tap it like this on bottle ?? or do you do something with it before filling flasks?

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому

      I'm trying to keep it all in solution so I'm playing with the mixture and temps. I'd prefer it to look like the milky ones not the cloudy blobs that fall out of solution. All still very much in the beginning R&D phase.

    • @linussoderberg8473
      @linussoderberg8473 11 місяців тому

      @@MyersMushroomsFarms i understand! :D i have seen tinctures sold like this , and the flask is labeld to be shaken before use :) i have made my own tinctures aswell and they were unseparated at first, but after a few days on a shelf they separeted like that. Have you ever had that happen to you?

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому

      @linussoderberg8473 yes but with some mixes it will stay in solution and thats my goal

  • @KieranChallis
    @KieranChallis 5 місяців тому

    Hi! I notice you mix water and ethanol in one extraction, whereas ive been doing an alchohol extraction and then a water extraction separately and then mix i the final products....can i just mix the water and ethanol together in one run rathet thsn doing them separately? Would save me a lot of time!!

  • @organicguru6950
    @organicguru6950 11 місяців тому

    Let us know how the results are. Can you compare it to a base example.{a piece of mushroom body}?

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому

      For sure. I'll be testing the dual extracted tinctures I made previously too.

  • @patrickjohnson1766
    @patrickjohnson1766 11 місяців тому

    Have you played around with ultrasonic extraction? For mushrooms it seems to be the fastest and best way for a wide spectrum product

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому

      No, I haven't, but I have had them quoted, and it's thousands for only a liter or two capacity.

  • @coreyh55
    @coreyh55 7 місяців тому

    What are those big driers in the background that look like fridges?

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  7 місяців тому

      Yes it's two dehydrators stacked on top of each other

    • @coreyh55
      @coreyh55 7 місяців тому

      @@MyersMushroomsFarms what model? Do they work good? I use magicmill but am looking for larger units

  • @TheTubejunky
    @TheTubejunky 8 місяців тому

    Condensor or sohxlet? Similar but not the same

  • @carl-cr7rp
    @carl-cr7rp 11 місяців тому

    What do you put in the bottom of the soxhlet to hold the turkey tail in place?

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому +1

      How to filter in a soxhlet

    • @bradb82
      @bradb82 10 місяців тому +1

      why not a glass thimble?

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  7 місяців тому

      @bradb82 you loose a ton of capacity and this extractor can't accept one.

  • @chuckisnutz
    @chuckisnutz 10 місяців тому

    Where did you learn about all this

    • @TheTubejunky
      @TheTubejunky 8 місяців тому

      Probably the same place you've typed that comment. The internet silly. 😅

  • @coreyh55
    @coreyh55 7 місяців тому

    O. It just occurred to me. Add salt. The freezing temp of salt water is much lower. You will be able to get the water below freezing and not have to worry about ice.

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  7 місяців тому +1

      I did do this at first but then you run into corrosion issues. I now run glycol and can get it down into the 20s but then you need insulated lines for everything because it frosts then drips.

    • @coreyh55
      @coreyh55 7 місяців тому

      @@MyersMushroomsFarms I live and run my small farm off grid. I’m actually considering using a freezer and radiator for ac at night. Just to blow cool air while I sleep. Figuring out how to keep the water is actually a plus for me. We truck in water when we don’t get enough rain so letting the water stack up in a bucket is a plus for us. I spent a few hours today just running numbers with a buddy. We think this is actually a doable small scale solar ac. As for the cooling for the condenser. It’s a brilliant idea.

  • @itsme-p7t
    @itsme-p7t 11 місяців тому

    just like a moonshine still😃

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому

      I'm not collecting any distillate, it's all caught in the loop. No distilling going on here, just a reflux of solvents.

  • @LarsLarsen77
    @LarsLarsen77 11 місяців тому +1

    My only concern would be thermal degradation of the target compounds. But you don't know until you test it.

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому

      That's where vacuum comes in. I can boil as low as 80F with this rig.

  • @omidm4316
    @omidm4316 11 місяців тому

    💥

  • @infringinator
    @infringinator 11 місяців тому +2

    Myer is the richest guy I know

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  11 місяців тому +1

      Rich with knowledge!!

    • @infringinator
      @infringinator 11 місяців тому +3

      @@MyersMushroomsFarms a mycellionaire

    • @TheTubejunky
      @TheTubejunky 8 місяців тому

      Yea agreed. Has to have about 50k-100K invested just for equipment. That doesn't count for housing.

    • @MyersMushroomsFarms
      @MyersMushroomsFarms  7 місяців тому +1

      @TheTubejunky all worth it when it saves me and my guys labor.

    • @TheTubejunky
      @TheTubejunky 7 місяців тому

      @@MyersMushroomsFarms It's great to see you are still making progress. I learned a lot from you sir.

  • @RakkaSan7219
    @RakkaSan7219 5 місяців тому

    Why heat the Alcohol up at all other then to move it to the product ?
    It cold going in to the product. Heating just brings it back up to where it bypasses product hot until cooled back to liquid then touches product for 1st time...soaks..drips....boils....gas....cooled...product.... Drips etc.
    Why not just soak it 24hrs..press change to fresh product. Soak...w same alcohol as 1st...as many times as needed to concentrate as normal??
    If ya wanna boil the concentrate and weed off some alcohol do it...for stronger concentration.
    Watching this on anyone's channel is the same... Heated alcohol is just how to move the alcohol through...because doesn't touch Sharon's until cooled to liquid again.
    Looms really cool makes someone feel smart maybe, but anyone explain what's different or better buying glass and doing this over soaking in /presses?!

  • @spacecat86
    @spacecat86 11 місяців тому

    Sweeet

  • @TheGroundskeeper
    @TheGroundskeeper 10 місяців тому

    This is an awful solution. Awful. Soxhlets are what non chemists use to try to be chemists, but without the expected outcome and without the simple ease of better methods. You need my help. This is expensive, unnecessary, and ugly

    • @josephfrank265
      @josephfrank265 9 місяців тому

      Go on...

    • @PaulieStamets
      @PaulieStamets 9 місяців тому

      I disagree.

    • @truealchemy-jayhanks2653
      @truealchemy-jayhanks2653 9 місяців тому +2

      I disagree also. I use a soxhlet for herb extractions and mushroom extracts. I also do traditional marc in menstrum from 6 weeks to months and water decoction for 4 days. I have found there is different results and different compounds extracted throughout. My point is it is still a very effective tool and has been around since the 16th century or earlier. You must play to understand all the fun equipment out there!