It was nice to see you taking the time to seal-off the wall opening for the thermostat wires to temper inner wall air movement that might adulterate the performance of the thermistor. Also, I have the Honeywell RTH9585WF1004 and the .5 degree temp swing is murder on my heat pump with 5 minutes between cycles. Bought a LuxPro to replace it with adj swing. Thank you for all your insight!!!
Ted. I was paid for a job today with crisp $100-bills. Then i recieved a call from a renovation house sounding like a dirty Flame sensor. I will be there tomorrow and will use one of the hundies to clean said sensor. I will report back to you with the results. Thx.
When I mount thermostats, especially new wire thermostat installations, I always try to tuck the access wire into the wall, and preserve it. I still wire everything neat, there isn't a nest of wires in the thermostat, but in several years, when a new thermostat needs to be installed, theres an extra 3-4 inches in the wall. You're welcome.
I had a company replace my thermostats with programmable ones while they were replacing my boiler (HW baseboard). I eventually found they had wired the thermostats correctly, but had not set them up correctly at all - there are settings to take away the cooling mode (no central air) and settings specific to hydronic heating, presumably since temperature swings are slower than with forced air. I set it up correctly and the house was much more comfortable.
That thermostat is the new version of the "Wifi 9000". I have the 1st gen version and like it. The touchscreen is not capacitive like a cellphone, it's an older style resistive touchscreen so you need to be very "deliberate" about what you press and how hard. Looks like a good de-hacking job!
It was in the middle sixties in mid Florida, so I would think that you were at least ten or more degrees less inSC. Nice diagnosis and repair as usual.
Evidently the first "tech" just did enough to get cooling going. Didn't need heat yet. I replaced the thermostats at my church with Honeywell wifi models. It reduced heating and cooling costs by 40%. By the way I retired from Trane as a Manufacturing technician for 32 years. I designed and built run test equipment for both split systems and package units.
heatpumps are great and super efficient aside from the aux heat use/capacity loss in cold weather - if you put in gas i hope it's dual fuel, keep the heatpump for mild weather.
Somebody probably got confused when they changed outdoor unit. Rheem energizes RV in heat while all other manufactures energize the RV in cooling. Also the Rheem air handlers use purple and brown for 2nd stage heat and W/W1 can confuse you if you dont follow the schematic, which isnt always readable on old units so you may have to trace the wires!
Always great to watch a master plying his craft, your methodology in diagnosing and repairing the fault efficiently are what earned you praise and trust from the home owner and most likely more work and future referrals, that is what it’s all about.
Where I live it costs $150 just to have someone do a diagnosis. Any repair is extra. The mark up on parts is ridiculous. A $100 Taco zone circulator pump installed is $700 with the diagnostic fee. Ever since then I keep a supply of spare parts and I only call someone if I can't fix it. The next time a pump went, I have 5, it cost me $100 for the pump and a couple of bolts and nuts. This is a problem the industry created on its own. Honeywell is only responding to a need.
Kind of funny, but in some neighborhoods in Texas, everyone is looking to go TO a heat pump. The reason is the housing developments are making sweetheart deals with utility suppliers. Those middle men are jacking up the price. On gas and or propane especially. High SEER heat pumps are cheaper to run, even with the electric heat strips.
Amazing someone didn't catch that! Just throw it together and hook it however you can get it to kinda work so we can get out of here!🤣 Glad you got it sorted👍 and awesome if you get to install gas unit! Gas is a great warm heat!!
I installed my own ecobee 3 several years ago. Color coded real easy. Seperate connection plate that the head until plugged into. Just had to go downstairs and write down what each wire ran to. My house was built in 1979, and not the original owner so going into any wall is seriously dangerous.😂. Luckily my wire bundle wasn’t previously hacked. It’s worth paying the 75 bucks more to get the ecobee over that one anyhow.
Nice work fixing it. A new 410A heat pump with an old Rheem air handler? I'm glad you will be installing a new furnace. Make sure the equipment all matches. Chop and drop with a HP is a bad idea.
I bet that quote includes the thermostat that has a screen that works right! I do notice that most of the products released since Resideo took over the Honeywell stuff have comparatively lousy documentation that lacks proper details and specifications. I think that particular thermostat with the screen that doesn't respond right to touch is begging for a target practice session!
I have the Honeywell RTH9585WF1004, is a great stat, never had any issues with it. It's not like a cell phone, you have to use a little effort to change function's, and of course it helps if it's mounted on the wall. :-)
Yep when you see a thermostat hanging by the wires you know, damn rookies, and I'm not talking about you. The electric heat isn't quite wired right in the air handler. White from the thermostat should go to White on the air handler for heat . The purple is wired into a evaporator freeze sensor , that is supposedly to turn on the heat to thaw out a frozen evaporator . which doesn't work anyway . Really he's got heat, up the wazoo. I used to wire the purple into the condenser circuit to open a condenser circuit if it froze up. The freeze sensor opens when it gets cold. Don't you hate working on heat when it's cold out. Can you imagine living up North. I'm in South Florida and it's been cold. I certainly enjoy watching .
Since you share your knowledge. Here are some your way. CA glue and activator. If you run into sheetrock that is falling apart. Apply soak the sheetrock with the thin ca glue and hit it with an activator. The sheetrock will become hard to hold in wall fasteners. Works super great with towel bars in bathrooms.
So even though orange was wire nutted to yellow and the thermostat called blue, yellow, and green in heat and blue was capped off outside, outside orange was obviously hooked up to the solenoid so everytime y called it was sending power to solenoid too because y&o were wire nutted, reversing valve still should have been energized even though the wiring is a bit screwed up. So it may be that, or is it energized in cool even though it's RUUD because they were tied together outside and solenoid worked?
I would install the gas furnace and keep the heat pump set up as dual fuel. Above 40 degrees outside, the heat pump provides heat. Under 40, the heat pump locks out and the furnace kicks in. I have that setup in my own house. Cheaper to run than straight furnace.
I Think My Sister's Double Wide has those things. They use a Water Stove now and I unhooked their Electric Heat Strips except, I think I put a thermostat on one of them in case they ever needed the Electric Heat again.
@@oldhandyluke Yeah so that doesn’t mean much especially when in the South... That heat pump alone can heat the house just fine for all but the very coldest of days in SC. He is just wasting his money to get the gas lines to the air handler.
The drain line dumps straight into a perforated corrugated footing drain pipe?... Why not just dump it out onto the floor, since it's gonna leak out anyways? LMAO I agree with you and the customer. Junk that old unit and get a nice gas unit in there.
Looks like blue was set up for the reversing valve, and it was set up to be routed through the air handler control board you just bypassed all that with orange. Blue it still there it's just not doing anything. Personally I would have looked at all three places and their wiring before I started re-arranging the wiring. There was no need to set up the orange.
This is why you pay me the big bucks blue is common on Rheem for reversing valve and you could tell the b was hooked up on the old thermostat. Guaranteed service call when the homeowner tries to change the thermostat. I typed this before you went in the crawl space.
One of the best things about not renting is being able to rip whatever space-age touchscreen bullshit somebody else thought was cool out of the wall and putting some quasi-legal mercury switches from eBay in their place.
Anti DIY HVAC, I actually had not seen that MH STAT before, but what a mess, & did they just lift it HANGING ? Never seen such crap before, ,, wonder why the stat was replaced, except this isDIGITAL then SCREW UP THE WIRING , WOW ITS A FEW YEARS OLD ALSO, SO ZYOU WILL NEED A GAS METER & piping for the new unit ! Cheers 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Maybe the Honeywell touch screen would react faster if you had first applied some kind of hand cream to your fingertips? Natural skin oils appear to be lacking in the video. Skin oils help conduct the micro electricity for the touch screen function to work properly. Also: at 19:19 there's 6 thermostat wires showing. Isn't 5-wire thermostat wire the standard? It will be interesting to see if new thermostat wiring is included if a new gas furnace gets installed. That existing Honeywell thermostat may also turn out to be okay, when it's operated by the home owner with normal fingertip lubrication.
This buyer must have had a poor real estate agent helping him along. All of that should have caught prior to closing escrow. Maybe they did and he got credit and opted to fix things on his own but you would think the safety factors would have been asked for the seller to have corrected before they took possession of the house. Boy, they have enough leaves in the yard ! I'd get another thermostat too, that one is very nonresponsive to touch. If he goes with a new system then all will get replaced I'd presume.
I hate that model of honeywell stat. Couple times my customer insists on keeping it when I replace the system. Then fight it to get it to work again. I'd rather give them a new smart thermostat free and save myself an hour of headache
At 13:30, mm:ss, TED! That's AMERICAN ENGINEERING Sir!! Simplicity at it's BEST! Plus, unlike today's heat strip curlyQ's, those oven-like heater elements LAST! Also, those heat-sequencer snap-disc time delays last way longer than any COMPUTER board. Simple, easy, strait fwd, technician diagnostic friendly. WHAT MORE can you ask for?? What would you have done instead??
I’ll go with heat pump and all electric any day . Screw having pressurized flammable gas running through my house. But I’m in the Deep South so it’s affordable.
You've obviously never used an inverter heat pump. In other countries everyone is going from gas to reverse cycle to save money, inverter units can heat much faster.
Great hands on video! Great terminology of old school wire color usage and current color codes!
It was nice to see you taking the time to seal-off the wall opening for the thermostat wires to temper inner wall air movement that might adulterate the performance of the thermistor. Also, I have the Honeywell RTH9585WF1004 and the .5 degree temp swing is murder on my heat pump with 5 minutes between cycles. Bought a LuxPro to replace it with adj swing. Thank you for all your insight!!!
Ted. I was paid for a job today with crisp $100-bills. Then i recieved a call from a renovation house sounding like a dirty Flame sensor. I will be there tomorrow and will use one of the hundies to clean said sensor. I will report back to you with the results. Thx.
When I mount thermostats, especially new wire thermostat installations, I always try to tuck the access wire into the wall, and preserve it. I still wire everything neat, there isn't a nest of wires in the thermostat, but in several years, when a new thermostat needs to be installed, theres an extra 3-4 inches in the wall. You're welcome.
What a mess you had there and a good opportunity to install the right new equipment! You will have another customer for life TED!
That touchscreen would have a hammer through it being that slow.
It's the Molasses model.
Yes! It was driving me crazy just watching it.
I think he was touching the wrong spot. Daikin iTouch does that sometimes. Gotta hit the sweet spot. If that don’t work, use hammer!
I had a company replace my thermostats with programmable ones while they were replacing my boiler (HW baseboard). I eventually found they had wired the thermostats correctly, but had not set them up correctly at all - there are settings to take away the cooling mode (no central air) and settings specific to hydronic heating, presumably since temperature swings are slower than with forced air. I set it up correctly and the house was much more comfortable.
That thermostat is the new version of the "Wifi 9000". I have the 1st gen version and like it. The touchscreen is not capacitive like a cellphone, it's an older style resistive touchscreen so you need to be very "deliberate" about what you press and how hard. Looks like a good de-hacking job!
Wifi 9000: I can't do that, Dave.
Customer is so lucky you knew the old wiring colors. Nice job.
It was in the middle sixties in mid Florida, so I would think that you were at least ten or more degrees less inSC. Nice diagnosis and repair as usual.
Evidently the first "tech" just did enough to get cooling going. Didn't need heat yet. I replaced the thermostats at my church with Honeywell wifi models. It reduced heating and cooling costs by 40%. By the way I retired from Trane as a Manufacturing technician for 32 years. I designed and built run test equipment for both split systems and package units.
How does a thermostat reduce cost by 40 % ?
heatpumps are great and super efficient aside from the aux heat use/capacity loss in cold weather - if you put in gas i hope it's dual fuel, keep the heatpump for mild weather.
Love the video. You are really taking care of that customer. I always love happy endings and looking forward to the next video on this home.
Somebody probably got confused when they changed outdoor unit. Rheem energizes RV in heat while all other manufactures energize the RV in cooling. Also the Rheem air handlers use purple and brown for 2nd stage heat and W/W1 can confuse you if you dont follow the schematic, which isnt always readable on old units so you may have to trace the wires!
You cleaned up those wires real nice. That was a mess! That touchscreen was annoying.
What's the point of a "touchscreen" if you have to touch it 10 times. What a piece of junk
Always great to watch a master plying his craft, your methodology in diagnosing and repairing the fault efficiently are what earned you praise and trust from the home owner and most likely more work and future referrals, that is what it’s all about.
Where I live it costs $150 just to have someone do a diagnosis. Any repair is extra. The mark up on parts is ridiculous. A $100 Taco zone circulator pump installed is $700 with the diagnostic fee. Ever since then I keep a supply of spare parts and I only call someone if I can't fix it. The next time a pump went, I have 5, it cost me $100 for the pump and a couple of bolts and nuts. This is a problem the industry created on its own. Honeywell is only responding to a need.
Kind of funny, but in some neighborhoods in Texas, everyone is looking to go TO a heat pump. The reason is the housing developments are making sweetheart deals with utility suppliers. Those middle men are jacking up the price. On gas and or propane especially. High SEER heat pumps are cheaper to run, even with the electric heat strips.
Just did an install yesterday that had 4 splices in the attic and two down the wall. Was amazed it even worked originally.
Amazing someone didn't catch that! Just throw it together and hook it however you can get it to kinda work so we can get out of here!🤣 Glad you got it sorted👍 and awesome if you get to install gas unit! Gas is a great warm heat!!
I installed my own ecobee 3 several years ago. Color coded real easy. Seperate connection plate that the head until plugged into. Just had to go downstairs and write down what each wire ran to. My house was built in 1979, and not the original owner so going into any wall is seriously dangerous.😂. Luckily my wire bundle wasn’t previously hacked. It’s worth paying the 75 bucks more to get the ecobee over that one anyhow.
Good job figuring that mixed up bunch of wires!
Nice work fixing it. A new 410A heat pump with an old Rheem air handler? I'm glad you will be installing a new furnace. Make sure the equipment all matches. Chop and drop with a HP is a bad idea.
I bet that quote includes the thermostat that has a screen that works right!
I do notice that most of the products released since Resideo took over the Honeywell stuff have comparatively lousy documentation that lacks proper details and specifications.
I think that particular thermostat with the screen that doesn't respond right to touch is begging for a target practice session!
I have the Honeywell RTH9585WF1004, is a great stat, never had any issues with it. It's not like a cell phone, you have to use a little effort to change function's, and of course it helps if it's mounted on the wall. :-)
They had the good elements with the green mark, the ones with the red mark would break and sling pieces through the duct
the duct tape on the drywall really sets the tone. obviously our school system has failed us, sending to many kids to college instead of trade school.
R-22 air handler, 410 condenser, probably never changed TXV as Rheem don’t make a conversion for it.
Yep when you see a thermostat hanging by the wires you know, damn rookies, and I'm not talking about you. The electric heat isn't quite wired right in the air handler. White from the thermostat should go to White on the air handler for heat . The purple is wired into a evaporator freeze sensor , that is supposedly to turn on the heat to thaw out a frozen evaporator . which doesn't work anyway . Really he's got heat, up the wazoo. I used to wire the purple into the condenser circuit to open a condenser circuit if it froze up. The freeze sensor opens when it gets cold.
Don't you hate working on heat when it's cold out. Can you imagine living up North. I'm in South Florida and it's been cold. I certainly enjoy watching .
Since you share your knowledge. Here are some your way. CA glue and activator. If you run into sheetrock that is falling apart. Apply soak the sheetrock with the thin ca glue and hit it with an activator. The sheetrock will become hard to hold in wall fasteners. Works super great with towel bars in bathrooms.
I'll never understand why someone needs such a sophisticated device for a thermostat.
"Just bought this house recently"...came with the sea of leaves as a bonus. LOL!
Great job troubleshooting that bad LV wiring!
It's surprising how slow the touch screen is to react.
Looks like a resistive touchscreen, you really need to ram your finger in those.
They are that way !!!! Really long touch time !!!!
@@Pentti_Hilkuri I agree i have the exact same one i need to press with some force to get it to register
@Albo alt It's a WIFI thermostat, why would you even need to touch the screen?
Hate when people use orange wire nuts for stat wire. Ive had to unrig wire messes like this myself. Good work!
All the important tools are all in one pile in the truck that's the main thing. Right where you can find them.
So even though orange was wire nutted to yellow and the thermostat called blue, yellow, and green in heat and blue was capped off outside, outside orange was obviously hooked up to the solenoid so everytime y called it was sending power to solenoid too because y&o were wire nutted, reversing valve still should have been energized even though the wiring is a bit screwed up. So it may be that, or is it energized in cool even though it's RUUD because they were tied together outside and solenoid worked?
I would install the gas furnace and keep the heat pump set up as dual fuel. Above 40 degrees outside, the heat pump provides heat. Under 40, the heat pump locks out and the furnace kicks in. I have that setup in my own house. Cheaper to run than straight furnace.
Nice job Ted.
True professional as always.sir.
Enjoy your videos.
I watch you,Cuties and Steve.
Refreshing to see real pros .
Ty sir
I Think My Sister's Double Wide has those things. They use a Water Stove now and I unhooked their Electric Heat Strips except, I think I put a thermostat on one of them in case they ever needed the Electric Heat again.
What's a Water Stove ?
16:35 Holy hell look at all those spiders and I think one even jumped out at him. Oh hell no.
Confusing mess! Thanks for video.
Good luck with the new install.👍😊
We have a lot of DYI hacks here also. Awesome video
why go for gas heating when he got a heat pump ? i realy enjoy your Videos thank you
Gas heating is a lot warmer than a heat pump.
Depending on the area of SC he is in a gas furnace may be more efficient
@@oldhandyluke Yeah so that doesn’t mean much especially when in the South... That heat pump alone can heat the house just fine for all but the very coldest of days in SC. He is just wasting his money to get the gas lines to the air handler.
I don't ever remember seeing a Pink Wire in Thermostat wire before.
I didn’t see the option for change over setting to go from heat pump to strips. Is it set for 40 degrees?
Why give up the Heat Pump, and going only gas?? You're in a warmer area to use Heat Pump as main heat, and use gas as back up?
Depends on the cost of gas compared to electricity i guess
Hi, is HITACHI scroll compressor 410 gas good ?
I can agree with some of Rheem's older designs being absolutely terrible
I always thought you run fan continuously to melt the coil instead of turning off the system
The drain line dumps straight into a perforated corrugated footing drain pipe?... Why not just dump it out onto the floor, since it's gonna leak out anyways? LMAO
I agree with you and the customer. Junk that old unit and get a nice gas unit in there.
You can tell Ted is not an electrician - he picked up all the cuttoff bits of wire and insulation.
Replacing the blower motor is a nightmare on those furnaces.
Looks like blue was set up for the reversing valve, and it was set up to be routed through the air handler control board you just bypassed all that with orange. Blue it still there it's just not doing anything.
Personally I would have looked at all three places and their wiring before I started re-arranging the wiring. There was no need to set up the orange.
Folks are going to Wago's...good case for them. Anyway, nice job.
Where are you at state I swear that looks exactly like a job that I just had to redo all kind of stuff on and I’m in Alabama Tuscaloosaa
SC
Love your videos, but your voice volume is so low can barely hear you when you speak.
What's the best thermostat for heat pumps?
I really like old houses like that
As a certified master hackman, I do not approve of this message.
Ted: What temp is cold where you live and work?
This is why you pay me the big bucks blue is common on Rheem for reversing valve and you could tell the b was hooked up on the old thermostat. Guaranteed service call when the homeowner tries to change the thermostat. I typed this before you went in the crawl space.
I knew from sticker on t stat brown would be common... Full Air was a good company... his last name is Fuller.
Even knowing how bad of a design that air handler is rheem still makes it
go natural gas and dont look back. nice video, thank you.
The duct tape is a nice twist. Connect that gas line up to a real furnace.
I love the “hack job butcher” videos
Gotta love the do it yourself home owners
unlce Ted always coming to clean up some one else's mess
wonder if they could have chosen a cheaper touch screen for there thermostats lol man oh man the response on that thing is crazy
Is that heat pump more efficient than gas ?
Looked like a damn Sno cone on that suction valve 😂
Make you a wooden tray with dividers for your tool area..lol
And , this is why you want a pro working on your stuff.
One of the best things about not renting is being able to rip whatever space-age touchscreen bullshit somebody else thought was cool out of the wall and putting some quasi-legal mercury switches from eBay in their place.
The “ Cowboy is on the job again “. !!
Informative video.
Are you an 864- guy?
Yes, we are based out of Mauldin.
Anti DIY HVAC, I actually had not seen that MH STAT before, but what a mess, & did they just lift it HANGING ? Never seen such crap before, ,, wonder why the stat was replaced, except this isDIGITAL
then SCREW UP THE WIRING , WOW ITS A FEW YEARS OLD ALSO, SO ZYOU WILL NEED A GAS METER & piping for the new unit ! Cheers 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Good job Ted.
When you see a unit catty corner so the lines pipe right in with a 410a unit on the old r22 Evap that can only mean one thing......
LoL
If you’d like that then you’re just a little bit different than me LOL great video
Love it when they leave 2 inches of wire too work with lol
What do think of the thermostat?
Some units still use blue for reversing valve
Nice tool box!
Maybe the Honeywell touch screen would react faster if you had first applied some kind of hand cream to your fingertips? Natural skin oils appear to be lacking in the video. Skin oils help conduct the micro electricity for the touch screen function to work properly. Also: at 19:19 there's 6 thermostat wires showing. Isn't 5-wire thermostat wire the standard? It will be interesting to see if new thermostat wiring is included if a new gas furnace gets installed. That existing Honeywell thermostat may also turn out to be okay, when it's operated by the home owner with normal fingertip lubrication.
Could u use De Icer?
R410a outdoor "matched" with an r22 ahu? Not gonna work
T Stat default programs are for conventional ie gas heat.
Nothing beats years of working experience in any trade. You don't learn how to analyze situations from a book.
Was that a 410a capable coil in the air handler ....i was thinking that's a pre 410 mfd
This buyer must have had a poor real estate agent helping him along. All of that should have caught prior to closing escrow. Maybe they did and he got credit and opted to fix things on his own but you would think the safety factors would have been asked for the seller to have corrected before they took possession of the house. Boy, they have enough leaves in the yard ! I'd get another thermostat too, that one is very nonresponsive to touch. If he goes with a new system then all will get replaced I'd presume.
I hate that model of honeywell stat. Couple times my customer insists on keeping it when I replace the system. Then fight it to get it to work again. I'd rather give them a new smart thermostat free and save myself an hour of headache
At 13:30, mm:ss, TED! That's AMERICAN ENGINEERING Sir!! Simplicity at it's BEST! Plus, unlike today's heat strip curlyQ's, those oven-like heater elements LAST! Also, those heat-sequencer snap-disc time delays last way longer than any COMPUTER board. Simple, easy, strait fwd, technician diagnostic friendly. WHAT MORE can you ask for?? What would you have done instead??
I’ll go with heat pump and all electric any day . Screw having pressurized flammable gas running through my house. But I’m in the Deep South so it’s affordable.
Was that a 410a capable coil in the air handler ....i was thinking that's a pretty 410 mfd
to me the outdoor unit looks like a comfortmaker or some kind of icp
That under house HVAC equipment was from 1873!!
good stuff, thanks for posting this buddy
Definitely looking forward to a possible future gas change over video, those are my favorite!
#gasheatiswarmer
#gasheathelpsgolbalwarming
You've obviously never used an inverter heat pump. In other countries everyone is going from gas to reverse cycle to save money, inverter units can heat much faster.