Its so sad how both he and Anna were reduced to one note characters in "Frozen 2". Anna became overly moody and focused on ALWAYS wanting to know where Elsa was. And Kristoff was just awkward to watch and listen to as he struggled to find the best way to propose to Anna.
I believe Disney demanded the movie be done on a specific date. They were having major trouble with the story and characters and had to get it finished by the deadline. It’s not about giving a great story.
I agree. Beast, Naveen, and Aladdin have the most concrete Prince arcs where they overcome a personal shortcoming and grow as much or more than the female protagonist (Belle's already self-actualized, Jasmine already hated the royal rules and was headstrong. Tiana was goal-oriented but needed to realize that she owed it to herself to have fun and open up to people). Hercules and Tarzan also have big time character growth and are royalty by technicality (Tarzan's basically the "King of the Jungle" and Herc's the son of the King of the Olympian gods, so technically a "Demi-God Prince"). I'd personally also include Eric cause his was subtle, but his arc was secondary to Ariel and Triton's father-daughter story. He got development similar to Jasmine in that his role was to look past the main character's secrets and love them unconditionally.
I think Eric was the best prince. Eric is first introduced by the movie narrative as adventurous young man who despite his royal heritage is not above the “dirty work”: the audience is initially exposed to him helping other sailors on the ship as well as showing consideration and concern towards Grimsby in addition to being a good listener and quite an experienced storyteller informed about the subject he takes it upon himself to talk about hence the sailors discussing Triton and the sea with Eric while Grimsby sceptically brushes their theories off. Thoroughness, open mind and a down to earth attitude are established among Eric’s primary characteristics from the get go and not for the sake of forcibly and obnoxiously presenting him as a multi-dimensional morally/intellectually superior protagonist - in fact, he can hardly even be deemed as one seeing as the movie essentially revolves around Ariel and her struggles with inability to obtain independence and fulfill herself outside of a place she feels like she belongs whereas every other character, no matter how significant, plays a part of a supporting cast - but in order to showcase his interests thus, in so much as the first few minutes of the movie we already learn up on not only the hobbies Eric is intensely invested in but the extent of his love for the sea, conflicted relationship with his guardian figure (Grimsby) and are provided with a raw sketch of his mindset and the lens through which he observes the world. All of it could have easily been left out seeing as Eric’s individual emotional investments are not particularly related to Ariel’s story, but those aspects are outlined regardless because Eric isn’t merely a love interest of a fiery red head: he has a personality, a character of his own. Next time Eric comes off as “the guy with a flute”, it being the immediate impression he gives off once Ariel first sees him, confronted with not so much his mesmerizing attractiveness as the way his eyes lit up when he produced music for his own pleasure (poignantly, the same exact way Ariel preferred to go about her musical skills: away from the crowds or pretentious grand celebrations, using a melody for self expression. It’s hardly a coincidence that Melody ended up being a name of her and Eric’s daughter) or when he played with his dog or when he was clearly not impressed with the the statue of himself. Speaking of which, that is a good character moment because it shows that Eric is burdened by expectations and is seen as a powerful future king when in reality, he is a shy introvert. This allows Ariel to relate to him. Eric, however, was thankful for the attention and love coming from Grimsby regardless of how inexplicably insufficient and misinterpreted the latter’s perception of Eric generally was, which is rather unfortunate given that Grimsby played some sort of a father figure role to him while being entirely unable to get the grasp of how the young man’s mind functioned. Which brings us to another point: according to all the evidence Eric’s parents are most likely dead, considering they didn’t show up on either of his weddings - the fake one with Vanessa and the real one with Ariel - nor did they attend Melody's christening. Admittedly, being left in charge of no one other than Grimsby who hardly understood what Eric essentially was about, and having to prepare himself to be a future effective ruler of Tirulia. Eric is the epitome of a person who built one self up independently, firmly standing his ground confronting the standards imposed on him that he was unwilling to conform to - such as being forced into getting married before determining whether there was a right woman (“the one” as Eric referred to a person he hadn’t yet been lucky enough to meet and want to spend the rest of his life with, not settling for any less) among his suitors for the sake of fitting into a certain ideal of a proper prince. His attitude of a dreamer was a part of his established characterization but he was also exceptionally analytical about his concepts of romance. Having survived a horrific incident Eric sincerely believed he had found true love and his ideology of a dreamer took a strong grab at his outlooks on relationship seeing as he was set out to find a girl with the gorgeous voice at any cost due to said voice being quite literally the only connection to his rescuer. As some people mistakenly imply, Eric did not fall in love with a voice, in fact, at that point his feelings were all over the place and not exactly what stands for actual love, a mature fully formed feeling. Being drawn to the idea of a girl who saved him Eric - genuinely and irreversibly - projects his certitude regarding her being “the one” onto the only representation of her he had been left with so far - her voice. And subsequently his idealistic but slightly immature romantic notions backfire with a cunning irony once he meets a girl who has everything a man can dream of but lacks what he seeks out the most. A beautiful stranger doesn’t talk therefore cannot be “the one” nor would she ever - as he firmly believes - pass for “the one” hence why Ariel’s beauty is essentially irrelevant to Eric. His one and only goal concerning relationship at that point revolves around finding that person he believes to be one in the whole world who is right for him. Not only doesn’t he fall for Ariel’s looks but is entirely indifferent to said looks due to thinking that woman is not the one he needs (frankly, the assumption about Eric being easily smitten with visual appeal is extensively incorrect considering the fact that, due to his royal status, chances quite a few attractive female suitors were eager to have his hand only to be rejected because Eric at one point explicitly stated he wasn’t interested in superficial relationship and was waiting for the right person). Which doesn’t mean Eric is immune to primordial instincts and cannot appreciate physical attractiveness - he does, in fact, acknowledge Ariel’s captivating outer exterior once she dresses up for a dinner but it isn’t until she makes him laugh for the first time in few days by being her overly excited, imaginative and adorably dorky self that he starts taking a more insightful look into her and is willing to take her on a Kingdom tour - while still not being ready to open up to her or let the endearing mysterious girl into his life due to being committed to his unrealistic ideal. Next day Eric spends actual time with Ariel who proceeds to behave excessive and enthusiastic, never failing to amaze him. She is more invested in exploring various layers of the city life rather than paying a consistent attention to him (but… but Ariel totally “left her family behind to be with a man” and had no other agenda, right? Right?!), however, Eric is perfectly content with dedicating time and effort into making her feel happy and content, not being put off by her overflowing craziness in the slightest, but getting more and more intrigued by the unusual, eccentric nature of his accomplice - to the point of becoming largely conflicted hence the boat scene where Eric wants to get to know Ariel while still being unsure of his own feelings and pulling away when she tries to initiate a kiss - because yes, he still takes relationship incredibly seriously and is unwilling to allow himself so much as an innocent romantic interaction without being fully confident that this person is truly the one for him. He challenges himself and his initially established concepts of idealistic romance, gradually deviating from a strong commitment to an image of a girl with a sing song-ish voice he had created in his mind in favor of opening the door into the possibility of forming a bond with a real person regardless of this blooming relationship being enormously confusing, awkward and opposing to everything he had led himself to believe in before. He was GROWING out of exaggerations and teenage angst and exposing himself to a new perspective of building a mature relationship. The segment with him throwing a flute into the ocean is the ultimate representation of his character development. Eric’s love for Ariel was powerful in both dimensions: back when he was an avid dreamer with a controversial concept of romance who invested considerable amounts of emotional energy into the idea of “the one” and when he was no longer a happy go lucky kid indulging in his dreams but a man willing to fight for a person he loves both in a figurative (choosing the real Ariel over the romanticized ideal) and literal sense (once slipping out of the hypnosis Ursula had inflicted him with all of his thoughts and actions were inevitably and directly related to Ariel, to making her feel loved, to instantly accepting the immensely shocking fact of her being a mermaid and to throwing himself into the waves where he couldn’t even breathe at risk of getting killed in order to make sure she doesn’t remain subjected to her captor) - and in neither of those cases was Eric drawn to Ariel’s looks. Prince Eric is the kind of character to represent self awareness, intelligence, ability to respond to emotional challenges rather than cowardly running away from them and giving all of himself to his nearest and dearest and his story contains more than enough of an evidence to back it up. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I love Prince Eric too. I just thought I’d say I read what you said and completely agree! His character arc is very sweet and I love him and Ariel together. I love that he sees her as charming and funny and full of vibrancy and fell for her without caring that she was mute or (for all he knew at the time) a girl who had no prospects for a dowry. I love that he was shy about giving her a kiss because he wanted to be sure she wouldn’t be off out by being forward. He’s also brave and a good leader since he acts self sacrificial to Grimsby and Max with wanting to help save them at risk to himself. He’s a good person and very admirable.
Even those kid UA-cam channels where people cosplayed as Disney princesses knew Hans would bring in a lot of views. My younger sister loved those type of videos back then and they were funny 😂
@@Iotuseater Not that it doesn't apply, just people stopped using it when basically all new characters are that way. Be they Mary or Gary over powered and flawless hero's are the norm now.
The reason I always disliked him and by extension post-twist Hans is because I've always thought that pre-twist Hans and Anna made a better couple. They had some adorkable flirting and an adorkable song (in fact, Love is an Open Door is my favorite song from Frozen) whereas Kristoff spends most of his screen time with Anna criticizing her and/or bickering with her. Now you can do bickering couples right (Tiana and Naveen is a perfect example) but you have to give them moments where they seem genuinely glad to be with one another and given that Kristoff and Anna never smile at each other until the very end of the movie, you never get that. If I had been the writer for Frozen, I would have scrapped Kristoff entirely and had Hans' kiss fail because he's just as naïve about true love as Anna is and they both learn they need more time to get to know each other. That would fix one of my other main issues with the movie which was throwing in a villain at the last minute into a story that didn't need one.
Ok this is just ship talk at this point. As it has been already pointed out, kristoff and Anna have good moments. Idk why you think they don't smile at each other. They literally do all throughout the movie. You just like one ship dynamic more. It's clearly not the writing in this case.
elsa was supposed to be the villain until they changed it. honestly i would have loved a redeemed villainess gone good after working on her issues. kids arent stupid, i grew up with the lion king for example and in the sequel kovu is at 1st with the bad guys but goes good later. as a kid i could grasp that. same with his outlands pride companions.
I think in the first film he wasn’t that bad, but he could have used a little more development, as for the sequel they didn’t knew what to do with him.
Keep him the same, have him be the voice of reason and try to be active in the story. I think they did have an idea as they scraped one idea where kristoff is trying to grapple the idea of royal life fully time when he’s been an outdoors man his whole life. This was a shown cut out sorry board scene. So they had ideas to use him, they just chose not to use it. You can utube it. It’s a scene about kristoff is force to be truthful to Anna.
Something Kristoff says that is ignored from Frozen one "Yeah, people will beat you, and curse you and cheat you." This implies that this is something he's experienced. They dropped that bomb and then it was just left there.
Yeah, he had a personality before he fell in love with Anna and its sad. I'll take misanthrope Kristoff over lovestruck Kristoff any day because at least he has his own personality and beliefs. Now, he's whatever Anna wants him to be. Instead of being his wild child, smelly self living his best life out in the mountains, harvesting ice (he literally says "I love ice! Ice is my life!"), he's sitting in a castle, wearing stuffy clothes, being called "Lord", I fail to see how someone like Kristoff would be happy in that situation. It speaks current volumes about how our society wants people to contort and twist to meet their lover's demands instead of finding someone who shares your lifestyle and personal values.
@@NopeasaurusI think kristoff needs to evaluate his life, he was adopted by trolls. He lived their life and imagines Sven talking. He hated people but we don’t know if it’s because people have done things to him or he doesn’t fit in because he’s weird. The trolls also push him to marry Anna and cheat on her fiancé/boyfriend. If kristoff is raised under such ideologies then he could be messed up mentally and not be able to relate to people. He does find with Anna and even is “street smart” and wary of people but he’s just not trusting but trusts anna just fine to help her and give her a ride
Bro literally got reduced to the one note side male before Thor, Hulk, Finn, Poe Dameron, and any other male characters Disney has butchered the last few years 😂
@@marshalmarrs3269that would require Disney to put in the work. They are so wealthy so they rather buy established companies who put in the hard work and are now forced to be molded into Disney’s vision
"You can´t just marry a guy you just met" "wait you wanted to marry a guy you just met" *meanwhile Kristoff, the SECOND guy Anna meets, becomes her love interest* And yes in the first movie there technically could be a time jump of a few months between saving Arendelle and the ending of the first movie but still. It was very strongly hinted that Kristoff will be Annas love interest. And I mean you technically could also apply the time jumo to any other Disney princess couple. Just bc we saw Ariel and Eric married doesn´t mean they got married just one week later but with princesses like Cinderella, Ariel, Aurora etc people love to complain that the romance is uNreAliStiC bc they bAreLy kNow eAch oTheR
Kristoff: "You can't marry someone you just met! My troll parents said so, they're love experts!" The Troll parents: "Marry our son right goddamn now... but first we'll list his gross flaws and call his blonde hair color unmanly and say he's doing unnatural things with the reindeer" Me: "WTF?!"
IKR?? That’s another huge reason why I don’t care for them as a couple. Elsa for whatever reason doesn’t have any qualms with Kristoff, DESPITE Anna knew him for about the same time as Hans.
By trying to avoid that trope they walked right into another one, the Disposable Fiance. The guy is either too bland or too evil so the female lead gets with the other guy.
@@wingedyaga2914 IKR?? If anything Hans was more interesting and charming because he could relate to her struggles of having a stubborn sibling. And he liked her quirks and other stuff! Kristoff flat out finds her inconvenient and more annoying because he has to warn her about being so clueless. Like when she’s trying to hike the mountain, he literally warns her how ridiculous she’s being and is going to get herself killed. I don’t see how he falls for her quirks or recklessness. I’m sorry, but he even tries telling his stupid rock family she’s already engaged to a prince and they straight up IGNORE both of them and tried forcing them into a marriage right now! And Kristoff is the one who called them “love experts” Guess we can add liar to his personality.
@@kristinahuchison2511 I hated that Kristoff’s biggest interactions with Anna in the first movie are having a condescending attitude to her and negging her. I adore a good “Pride and Prejudice” style couple who roast each other but he negged on Anna in a way that kinda painted her as someone he saw as ignorant and a pain in the ass. Why highlight that he finds her to be annoying? Make them share common interests or feel like they make up for something the other lacks emotionally. I dunno, something other than “it’s good cause couples snip and tease at each other!” They aren’t a couple yet so why don’t you try to sell the relationship to me?
Krisoff is one of my least favorite love interest characters, mainly because of how much Frozen wants to beat us over the head with "Anna and Kristoff aren't like those OTHER Disney couples" with Kristoff browbeating Anna for getting engaged in a day... only for his horrible troll family to decide for them that they should get MARRIED in a day... Also Kristoff is very bland, it just comes off as kinda gross (talking about him stinking and eating boogers, and eating the same carrots as his animal), quirky beauhunk that girlies can project into their own IRL boyfriends (since typically basic straight guys IRL talk about grossout jokes and neg-joke on their girlfriends). It's like they took Eugene (Eugene snarked on Rapunzel and had a touch of the grossout saying he liked that the Snuggly Duckling man-bar smelled like "the color brown") and tried to make him a roughneck but also downplay him (at least Eugene was an IMPORTANT character). I just like Kristoff much less than Eugene for some reason and I think it's cause Frozen is browbeating the audience with "subverting tropes" if he's not a subversion what else is there to him? I'd like a movie with a less ironic male lead, like Eric, Naveen, Beast, Quasimodo, Philip, Aladdin, Hercules, Shang, Phoebus, and Tarzan (I guess John Smith too, even though he's very, very boring) just appeal to me more cause they're lovable and have great designs and their gimmick isn't, "quirky and kinda gross." It just makes me find Kristoff dull and repellant. Shrek can pull it off, he's Shrek. He's a lovable ogre... Kristoff? I dunno, I don't find it appealing coming from a pretty-boy who just exists to prop up Anna.
I did like Kristoff the most when I was into Frozen, probably because I found Anna annoying and Elsa was too “ice queen” for me. Didn’t grow up with any sisters, so maybe I just missed out on that aspect of the “sisterly bond” that was key to both of their characters. Anyway, I liked Kristoff cause he was chill and a fun character, but in hindsight he really didn’t have much going for him. I think what soured him for me was at the end of the movie where he looks at Anna all nervous and asks to kiss her. Which… okay, I get this relationship still new and you’re not sure where you two are going, but it just came off as cringe to me. Especially when Anna makes the move and gives him her little smile afterwards. Don’t know why, but it just annoyed me 🤷♀ Like if Disney is trying to imply relationships take time to grow and develop, maybe not have two characters kiss when they barely know each other and had prior conversations about the “love at first sight” trope. A one armed hug from Kristoff would have been fine, but a clumsy question about kissing just didn’t do it for me.
@@viviennemorgan7217 unpopular opinion, I thought John Rolfe actually had somewhat cute chemistry with Pocahontas since he was awkward in a way that endeared me to him a bit more than perfect and put together John Smith had. I don’t think either were terrible though just a touch on the dull side, but neither movie was ever my favorite Disney movie.
Kristoff’s problem is that he exists SOLELY for Anna. He doesn’t have much to him outside of that. Without Anna, he’s nothing. They even sang a whole catchy song about that in the second film. It’s not a bad thing to be driven by your significant other… but the problem is that he’s not a character that feels like a living breathing person. He’s Anna’s accessory. Essentially Ken from the Disney brand. Unlike Disney’s classics (including Tangled) whose target audience was FAMILIES, The frozen films are very much geared ONLY towards the female audience… so Kristoff is supposed to become an avatar for their ideal partner. Someone who lives, breathes, and dies for them. Can’t make a move without them. Always puts them first above all else. While that’s also not an inherently bad thing, it does heavily condemn Kristoff to eventually be forgotten, because again… he’s not really a character, he’s an accessory.
Kristoff is a strange dichotomy. He is both a man's fantasy and a woman's fantasy. The writers make him out to be this "less than ideal" smelly mountain man who is a bit rough on the edges. Clearly not a lady's first choice (according to conventional standards). His existence kinda pushes the tired-but-somewhat-true lesson of how we shouldn't judge appearances, but at the same time also pushes the popular trope of a man getting a woman who is "out of his league" despite her finding him generally unappealing (at first). But he also is a "woman's fantasy" because he ends up changing for Anna and basing his entire existence around her. I mean, before he "fell in love" he had a personality. he was cynical, levelheaded, misanthropic, and resourceful. In the song, "reindeers are better than people" he outright says "reindeers are better than people" and "people will beat you, curse you, and cheat you" but all of that baggage disappears by the second act, when he falls for Anna. Now, he lives in a castle, wears stuffy clothes, and is called "Lord Kristoff." There's no way someone like Kristoff would enjoy that lifestyle.
I like flynn better I think in the first movie they should have just made Anna and Elsa and be the main focus and should have just made kristoff to be a friend to the princess .And then in the second movie they can try to work on a relationship with kristoff and Anna
While I understand the Frozen franchise is meant to display familia more than romantic relationships, that doesn’t mean the romantic interest(s) should only have their lives and existence revolve around the relationship. One of the most common (though I would argue as weak) critiques against most movies with a male lead is how the female romantic interest is “bland, boring, and only seen to exist in relation to the man.” In Frozen’s case, they did the same to Kristoff. Yes he has some interesting ideas and potential as a character, but the execution of the story pushes him aside in favor of Elsa and Anna so we never see him outside of being Anna’s love interest and a weird reindeer dude. We know he’s a reindeer guy (the “Reindeer’s are better than people” tune spells that out), a lovable dork, and would drop everything for Anna if needed. But that’s really about it. We don’t see him being on his own, expressing his own opinions, or just hanging around like an actual human being. He’s there for plot reasons and his story revolves around confessing his love to Anna, who is too hung up doing her own thing to pay attention to him. It’s sad as there’s movies and shows that do let the love interests be their own character. The first to come to mind is Astrid from How to Train Your Dragon. Yes we do not get a lot of her personal backstory, but we honestly don’t need that from her. In the first movie, she represents to us the pinnacle of Viking-ness. Strong, fearless, focused, and willing to lay down her life for Berk. But, we also see in her interactions with Hiccup that she has an innate sense of justice and caring. She berates Hiccup partially because she dislikes his seemingly carefree attitude, but mainly because he doesn’t seem to be taking the dangers they face with the dragons constantly attacking them. “Is this some kind of game to you?! OUR parents’ war is about to become our own. Figure out what side you’re on.” Though when she thinks he’s in danger when Toothless confronts them, she immediately tries to protect him even if she knows she doesn’t stand a chance. Despite all of that, Astrid is also capable of change when she lets Hiccup show her how the dragons aren’t the terrible enemies they grew up believing, and becomes Hiccup’s biggest supporter. The movies and shows then expand on her character by giving her motivations and interests outside of her developing, romantic interest with Hiccup. She’s a weapons expert, a competent dragon rider, a bad cook (or at least, terrible with making drink concoctions), loyal to a fault, and not afraid to let her guard down around those she trusts. We see her and Hiccup together, and we also see her with other characters and even on her own. That doesn’t take away from Hiccup’s story (as that’s who HTTYD mainly follow), but actually enhances it because the world feels more alive when characters like Astrid are walking around and interacting in it. When the two end up finally getting married and having kids, it’s less of a “gal settles down with her guy” thing and more of a “gal begins a new adventure with the guy she loves” thing. Only cause it’s recent, but even the Trolls franchise does the romance aspect better. The first and second movie was definitely Poppy’s story with Branch tagging along, but there’s no way you could take him out without completely changing everything. There were hints of deeper feelings in the first one, and then confirmed in the second where Branch is struggling to confess to Poppy. Unlike Kristoff, though, confessing to Poppy is only a minor focus to Branch when they realize there’s a world stake’s issue at hand. His feelings for Poppy do get in the way of him making the best choices, but it also serves to display a character flaw Poppy needs to overcome in order to understand what she needs to do to make things better. Poppy and Branch need each other to make the story happen, and both are better together than apart. Though like Hiccup and Astrid, they can function well on their own since they have distinct personalities that allow them to be their own character outside of their relationship. Not to mention that the 3rd movie really expanded on Branch’s backstory to where we can now look back on his previous actions and understand why him trusting and letting Poppy into his life is such a big deal. He’s not just Poppy’s former grumpy, gray companion who becomes her love interest because that’s what’s supposed to happen. He’s a character with his own story that merges with Poppy’s as the two grow and develop together. Why didn’t Disney give Kristoff something like that? Some kind of backstory or a dream in life that gives insight into his character. Is he satisfied with being an ice harvester? Did he ever learn anything magical or interesting from his life living among the trolls? Has he ever thought about going on his own adventures? Is he a homebody by heart? Has he ever thought about settling down with a wife and raising a few kids? Seriously, does he realize what he’s getting into by dating royalty like that? Will he have any actual responsibilities and be a good companion for Anna in that regard? Astrid knew being around Hiccup meant being the Chief’s wife once Stoick stepped down, and was more than up to the task of supporting him and giving a hand when she could. Even Branch has demonstrated how capable he is in keeping up with Poppy and helping her run the village. But what skills does Kristoff have that can translate to being an effective royal companion? Maybe we’ll get some of that in the 3rd movie, but I highly doubt Disney will let a male character be good at something without first hitting us over the head that the female character has to tell him EXACTLY what to do first. I would love to see Kristoff succeeding in some aspects, like maybe people relations and local business matters, over Anna, but I can only see Disney making him an incompetent buffoon against Queen Anna’s natural ‘royalness’ (even though she has a LOT of problems to work out on her own).
what about trolls the beat goes on show, there are clear signs that branch has a crush on poppy, even though he has a crush on poppy in the second movie and they dated in trollstopia which i didn't know what happened until the third movie where branch got lifted off out of the ground by john dory aka leader of the band brozone and poppy said put my boyfriend down at gristle and bridget's wedding like spot on sister spot on.
@@viviennemorgan7217 Oh there for sure was mutual feelings being displayed on both sides in Trolls: The Beat Goes On. I can think of several episodes and scenes where Branch had obvious feelings for Poppy and where Poppy definitely also had something towards Branch. One of my favorite moments was when the Trollings they were telling TrollyTales to them teased so heavily about the pair were OBVIOUSLY harboring feelings for each other. Not as much of their relationship was happening in Trollstopia, unfortunately, but they still obviously had something together. I didn’t reference the series as much cause technically the shows aren’t cannon to the movies, and unlike HTTYD with the VA’s mostly reprising their character roles, the series and movies/special only have a few VA’s return, none of which include Poppy and Branch. So it’s a bit harder to carry that dynamic forward in the movies since Justin and Anna only have their movies and specials to draw from, while Skylar and Amanda can get away a bit more with the longer, slow build format the series provides. But, I do personally like to tie the medias together so with fellow fans I will point to the series as evidence of a good friends to lovers example. That’s why I like how the 2nd movie handles Branch’s confession to Poppy as something that he wanted to do and cared about getting off his chest, but the filmmakers didn’t make it all he would do in the movie. Their high five and hand holding in the end was really sweet to establish they are starting a romantic relationship, and them calling each other boyfriend/girlfriend in the 3rd movie flows naturally from two people still navigating a new dynamic. I also legit cheered in the 3rd movie when they kissed each other cause I’m a sucker for those two. Then Branch had me on the “small proposal” comment and I laughed at myself when Poppy said “join the band!” cause I remembered, “duh, they just got to the kissing stage, why would I expect them to get married right away.” I read that the director wants to have at least 7 or 8 Trolls movies and most of the staff are onboard and excited to keep the story going, so I just have to be patient for my Poppy and Branch wedding. 😋😍
@@jendoe9436 i hope that there's a short movie where branch and poppy got married or a new series with brozone and viva, but poppy was the one who kissed branch in the third movie
@@viviennemorgan7217 I can definitely see a short with Brozone and Viva adjusting to life in Troll Village, or maybe they’ll have a more connected series if they wanna explore the Put Put Trolls integrating back in and figuring out where to put Brozone. Bruce will stay on Vacay Island for sure cause of his family, but the others have options on where they can go. If they went with a series route, then I’m hoping they bring in more of the Trollstopia genre integration AND explore Broppy a bit more. Mainly because I wanna see Branch take on more officially royal related duties and Poppy growing more as a Queen. Then the next movie can focus on the bigger adventure without having to lay out a bunch of relationship groundwork, kinda like what HTTYD did with Race to the Edge. I can see a minor conflict with Branch working on a marriage proposal, but like the 2nd movie it will be integrated effectively. Then a later movie will include their wedding plus a short or movie with them adapting to marriage life. Probably a kid or two and then having a final family adventure before they end the franchise. True, Poppy did make the first kiss move, but I’m okay with that as Branch made the relationship move and had worked through opening himself up more to her. Given everything that happened with his brothers, he definitely would have been thinking about other things and Poppy initiating the kiss was her way of telling him “I told ya I love you and wanna stay with ya, and here’s me making sure you know I mean it.” Plus, we all know his overthinking butt would have dragged that thing out 😅
That’s because Disney wants to give the illusion anna has some choice or variation but she gets together with some guy she barely knew! Disney just wants to beat their audience over the head saying. See? We have changed our movies with out changing it at all!!
I haven't seen the sequel, but based on what you described it kind of exemplifies a bigger issue of modern Disney, which is their weird and problematic misconception that "feminism = reversing toxic gender tropes". In this case, since we often see female characters that are reduced to "the male hero's love interest," they did the same thing with Hans and Anna but with reversed genders. Sorry Disney, that isn't feminism, that's just being shitty to men instead of being shitty to women. Like EVERY issue with Frozen, Tangled already did it in a better and more progressive way. Both Rapunzel and Eugene were deeply developed characters with intertwining arcs. I still can't wrap my head around how Frozen's romance was written AFTER Tangled came out. It's mind boggling.
I don’t hate Kristoff as a character or anything, but I find him the most boring of the blonde Disney “princes/heroes” because of how undeveloped he is. Imo the ONLY reason he’s in the movie is to show why Anna doesn’t end up with Hans (ignoring his villainy) I also found the trolls to be so annoying and only there to sell Anna and Kristoff as a couple. Unfortunately their “love” song actually did the opposite for me because its all about “not trying to change someone??” but instead accepting them as they truly are?? Since when was that an issue between Anna and Kristoff? I also felt so bad for how much he got sidelined in the sequel. All he does is struggle to propose to her and just unable to find the perfect moment to do it. Shouldn’t he be focused on their mission instead?? I’m really worried both 3 and 4 aren’t going to bother to give him a backstory and simply focus on Elsa like the first two. Unpopular opinion, but I personally find John Smith to be a waay better example of a supportive boyfriend, considering he isn’t the “hero” in his movie. He makes a lot of sacrifices for both Pocahontas and her people but also his comrades. Even Phoebus is much more engaging as a character BECAUSE his mission isn’t to win Esmerelda’s love or anything, he wants to fight for the people of Paris and put an end to Frollo’s tyranny. I personally find Kristoff just bland and not engaging in any way. All he does is constantly bail Anna out of danger because of how reckless she is. I seriously don’t understand why they fell in love when they spent a good chunk of the movie bickering and arguing. Like, all of a sudden they’re in love?? Sorry, but no. Hans was a waay better fit for Anna if Disney hadn’t forced him to be the villain
Phoebus and John are actually a bit underrated because they both learn to unplug the racism that they're learnt and fight for Esmeralda and Pocahontas's people. What does Kristoff do? He's really no different from the Prince Charming trope that this movie hates so much. Eugene/ Flynn Rider is a better character and he was an actual criminal.
@@Capydapy yep! I’m personally am not really into Phoebus, but I feel bad for how much hate he gets simply for being in love with Esmerelda. John Smith on the other hand is kinda a mess. Its a combination of factors as to why not a lot of people like him as a character. Main reason is simply Mel Gibson (which is stupid considering none of the other characters have this problem) but another huge reason is because he’s based on an awful man in reality. So he gets so much crap for what his real life counterpart did to Pocahontas and her people. Which sucks considering how much he changes in the movie to the point he almost dies saving her father from being killed. Personally I’m frustrated and appalled Kristoff is much more popular than both combined. Kristoff literally doesn’t have a personality aside being a pessimistic grouch who only chooses to help Anna to get his supplies restored. That was actually supposed to be in the movie, he says he’s only helping her to get his sled replaced. I just don’t understand how they fell in love when Anna was so willing to marry Hans, and she and Kristoff literally argued for like half the movie!
I love John smith the fictions Disney version not the real life guy. ( f him) and Phoebus you could tell he had the hots for Esmerelda but she didn’t trust him because he was a soilder for frollo. Then she sees how legitimately is as a person. He rather do the moral thing then follow orders and he was almost killed for disobedience. He was never racist he was just a solider with morals. He didn’t care about skin color or differences. He was a foil to frollo.
@@whitedragoness23 yep! John Smith was actually my favorite Disney prince for a long time until Flynn came. I do enjoy Aladdin too, but not as fondly, mainly because he lies for nearly the entire movie just to impress a girl. Anyways, I think John gets waay too much hate nowadays, to the point a lot of times Pocahontas is merchandised by herself and he’s more like a “good friend” instead of her lover. Which is a huge slap in the face when you consider Pocahontas wouldn’t have grown as a person if she hadn’t met him. Like, a lot of people like Beast as a character, and he f*cking roars at Belle for like half the movie until she finally snapped at him to clean up his nasty temper if he truly wanted to be her friend, let alone fall in love. Its sad how Pocahontas as a movie hasn’t aged well for a lot of people just because it’s based on a very sad and tragic true event. Everyone’s constantly b*tching about what Pocahontas isn’t instead of appreciating the messages it’s trying to teach, to not judge a person by their appearance or differences, but ultimately people can change. I’ve literally had someone who said they don’t like Poca and John as a couple because “Pocahontas literally has to teach him through a song not to be racist” and while I get that, a LOT of people forget this is literally how Europeans viewed dark skinned people (or weren’t from their country, Europeans and other ethnicities were racist against each other, like Japanese with Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, etc) This is how John was raised, and he changes his beliefs almost immediately. Aladdin literally takes the entire d*mn movie to finally stop lying and understanding how much of a mess he could’ve avoided if he just told Jasmine the truth. Sorry for that mini rant, but the point is John gets waay too much hate for being based on a bad person while characters with very similar problems don’t get the living crap beaten out of them. I’m not joking, Phoebus is a complete *ss in the book, and he doesn’t get as much crap. Same for Hercules, considering he KILLS Meg in the mythology (entire movie completely lied about so many things) but their movies are more beloved and praised than Pocahontas, which has been compared to embarrassments like Chicken Little or Home on the Range. Aladdin is literally stuffed with Middle Eastern stereotypes and isn’t berated for being like that. Just gets sick after a while of every other movie (including true story movies like Balto and Anastasia) getting away with fictionalizing/sugarcoating the original stories, but Pocahontas basically became the punching bag for “inaccuracy to the original story” I legit have several friends of Native American descent who love the movie and don’t care about the real story of Pocahontas. If anything, a lot of people complained about Esmerelda being a negative Romani stereotype because of how she’s portrayed in the movie. Pocahontas was the one who actually got the VIP treatment and extensive research into the Powhatan tribe and culture. Its not like Disney pulled a bunch of Native American stereotypes out of their a**es and called it a day.
@@kristinahuchison2511 that’s because society loves to $hit on women. I kid you not, too kind and gentle? Change her! Too strong and warrior like! Change her! Not beautiful enough?! Change her! No matter what a Disney Princess can’t win!
That’s a good explanation of Kristoff, of why he is a boring character. Like why didn’t the other ice man question him on where is his parents are? And the trolls should be the villains in the first movie, like at first I’m not sure but you made me second thought that. After seeing what the trolls do in mythology, that would be a villain. And like I said before (or at least something like that) the trolls should know that, you shouldn’t marry someone you just met. Aren’t they supposed to be love experts and they completely ruin it when Kristoff ask for help. The writers could of showed us a flashback to his past or at least telling them about his parents. But no, his only goal was to proposed to Anna that’s it.
Looking at the original plans for the film it's clear that Kristoff and Hans were either meant to be the same character or Kristoff was just added to be a love interest (which is kinda funny when you remember how this film treats early Disney romances). I've read somewhere that he's meant to be a counterpart of the Robber Girl from the original story but the only thing they have in common is a pet reindeer.
@@lahlybird895 She's a young kind hearted if naive girl that goes on a dangerous journey to save a love one who is locked away at a ice castle and ultimately saves the day through the power of love. She's also a gender swapped Kai, but the inspiration is clearly there.
*_THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FELT WHEN I WAS WATCHING FROZEN 2! WHEN I GOT TO THE SCENE WHERE ANNA SAYS, "WAIT, WHERE ARE KRISTOFF AND SVEN?!?!" AND OLAF TELLS HER, "OH, I THINK THEY TOOK OFF WITH THAT RYDER GUY AND A BUNCH OF OTHER REINDEERS!!!!" "THEY LEFT?!?!" ANNA YELLS. "THEY JUST LEFT, WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING?!?!" "WHO KNOWS THE WAYS OF MEN!!!!" OLAF REPLIES. AND THEN CAME THIS OTHER SCENE WHERE KRISTOFF STANDS ON TWO ROCKS, AND SAYS, "EVERYONE READY?!?!" AND THEN RYDER STARTS TO TALK FOR HIS REINDEERS, "READY!" "UM, I COULD USE A REHEARSAL!" AND THEN KRISTOFF SAYS, "WAIT, YOU TALK FOR THEM, TOO?!?!" "YES, I DO!!!!" RYDER SAYS. "IT'S LIKE YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!" KRISTOFF SAYS. "RIGHT, AND THEN, YOU JUST SAY IT!!!!" RYDER REPLIES. "AND THEN YOU JUST SAY IT!!!!" KRISTOFF SAYS. AND THEN, YELENA REJECTS KRISTOFF'S PROPOSAL AND SAYS, "THE PRINCESS HAS LEFT WITH THE QUEEN!!!!" "WHAT?!?!" KRISTOFF FREAKS OUT. "YEAH, I WOULDN'T TRY TO FOLLOW!!!! THEY ARE LONG GONE!!!!" YELENA TELLS HIM. "LONG GONE!!!!" KRISTOFF SHOUTS. "SO.... YEAH, BUT WE'RE HEADING TO THE LICHEN MEADOWS, AND YOU CAN COME WITH US IF YOU WANT." AND THEN SHE LEAVES. RYDER TELLS KRISTOFF, "HEY, I AM SORRY ABOUT THAT!!!! BUT I BETTER GET PACKING!!!! ARE YOU COMING WITH US?!?!" AND THEN KRISTOFF REPLIES, "YES, I AM COMING!!!!" "DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING?!?!" RYDER ASKS. "YES, I KNOW MY WAY AROUND THE WOODS," KRISTOFF REPLIES. (BTW, IT'S WEIRD HOW HE STARTED TO SING "LOST IN THE WOODS" EVEN THOUGH HE JUST TOLD RYDER, "I KNOW MY WAY AROUND THE WOODS!!!!" LOL🤣😂!!!!) ANYWAY, KRISTOFF SHOULD DEFINITELY BE WITH RYDER NATTURA INSTEAD OF WITH ANNA!!!! THEY HAVE A LOT MORE IN COMMON, LIKE THEY BOTH LOVE REINDEERS AND EVEN TALK FOR THEM, TOO!!!! ANNA AND KRISTOFF LITERALLY HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON!!!! I MEAN, ANNA WAS BORN A ROYAL PRINCESS AND EVEN BECAME QUEEN AT THE END OF FROZEN 2!!!! BUT KRISTOFF, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS A FREAKING BUM AND A COMMONER WHO EATS HIS OWN BOOGERS AND PICKS HIS OWN NOSE, CLAIMING THAT ALL MEN DO IT, HE DOES UNNATURAL THINGS WITH HIS PET REINDEER, SVEN, LIKE SHARING CARROTS WITH HIM!!!! HE'LL NEVER, EVER BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ANNA, EVER!!!! SHE DOES NOT NEED HIM!!!! SHE DESERVES BETTER THAN HIM!!!! AND JUST HEAR ME OUT, WHAT IF, IN FROZEN 2, ANNA HAS HAD ENOUGH OF KRISTOFF BECAUSE HE LITERALLY DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR HER OTHER THAN EAT, SLEEP, LIVE IN THE CASTLE FOR FREE, AND WATCH POOR ANNA SUFFER AS SHE STRUGGLES TO TAKE ON HER ROLE AS THE NEW QUEEN OF ARENDELLE, SO SHE IMMEDIATELY BREAKS OFF HER ENGAGEMENT, RETURNS HER RING, AND DEMANDS KRISTOFF AND SVEN TO IMMEDIATELY PACK THEIR BAGS, AND LEAVE ARENDELLE CASTLE AT ONCE, AND IF THEY REFUSE TO LEAVE, THEN SHE'LL DEMAND HER GUARDS TO KICK THEM OUT, LEAVING KRISTOFF BROKENHEARTED💔, SAD, AND LONELY. BUT THEN, RYDER COMES ALONG AND ADMITS THAT HE HAS BEEN IN LOVE WITH KRISTOFF FROM THE MOMENT THAT THEY MET, AND THEN, THE TWO BECOME A COUPLE. BUT THEN AGAIN, THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER THEORY THAT ELSA WILL FALL IN LOVE WITH HONEYMAREN IN FROZEN 3, AND IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THEN I DON'T THINK HONEYMAREN WOULD BE HAPPY IF RYDER GOT WITH ANNA'S EX-FIANCE, BECAUSE ANNA IS ELSA'S BELOVED YOUNGER SISTER AND LITERALLY THE CLOSEST PERSON TO HER._*
I don't know Norwegian folklore but trolls are very diverse group of beings in Sweden. They could be all sizes from pixie size to giants, could live in many different environments and could be either mostly evil or helpfully friendly but mostly neutral. Or at least that was what I was told growing up. Some just look identical to normal people just like real internet trolls!
It depends what frozen movie you’re taking about bc in the first one I actually like him but in the second yeah he is useless. Inferior to naveen, Flynn and Aladdin.
I always recalled Kristoff being bland, boring, and the lovable idiot character trope that should of been executed better. Him being kind hearted, a reindeer lover, and an ice cutter are surface leveled traits that doesn't make me feel anything substantial. Thus, I tend to forget about his name and can't get behind him going out with Ana. Ana's main ordeal was with her sister's relationship seemingly falling before her and she seemed much more invested in that than getting wooed by Kristoff. Kristoff was under utilized and didn't have any flaws that created tension with Ana nor a plausible reason for him to be in the film beyond helping Ana and facing Marshmallow. Flynn's shrewdness and selfish behavior caused him to hide his true identity and endangers the socially illiterate Rapunzel and Beast's cruelty and isolation creating tension between Bell, which enabled her to humble and teach him genuine kindness made their relationships fun and believable. Kristoff didn't provide any entertainment because of this which makes him too safe and even unbelievable to me.
@@lahlybird895 sure his arrogance causes him to argue with Ana, but it's nothing that hasn't been done already. Hence, I thought it wasn't enough to actually seem human nor build their relationship in a way that feels consistent.
@@odindarkll3706 true, although they did nearly fall off a cliff because of it so it's slightly more than just a small detail. Also I think he does more than just talked to reindeer, in the first movie anyway he uses his connection with his reindeer to basically stimulate both his conscience and his insecurities
@@lahlybird895 I will say that Sven is one of the only characters whom actually plays off of Kristoff well, but it only solidifies the fact that he was under utilized. Sven was also the only one that was around him since the very beginning and was very believable that they would have a bond together. Meanwhile, Kristoff barely knows Ana and becomes a couple with her during the second film apparently, although I didn't watch Frozen 2 at all.
I kinda like the alternate character interpretation that the trolls use their powers to rewrite Hans’ mind, making him forget about his feelings for Anna, so he’d dump her and she’d end up with Kristoff. Since literally the first thing they do upon finding out she has a fiancé already is plot to get rid of him. But since Anna was being frozen this petty shipping behavior almost costs her her life. Speaking of shipping I’d thought it would make sense for him to leave Anna for the Sami reindeer herder, since they have far more in common than he has with Anna.
Yeah, especially after Anna unprompted accused him of ... Wanting to be with someone else and then ignored him well she proceeded to go after her sister
@@lahlybird895 *_OF COURSE ANNA WOULD GO AFTER HER SISTER BECAUSE SHE LOVES ELSA MORE THAN KRISTOFF, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FROZEN FRANCHISE IS TO TEACH US THAT LOVE SHOULD BY ALL MEANS NEVER BE ROMANTIC BECAUSE THE TRUEST AND STRONGEST LOVE IS WITH YOUR SISTER!!!! FROZEN AND FROZEN 2 FOCUS ON ELSA AND ANNA'S LOVE, NOT ANNA AND KRISTOFF'S LOVE!!!! IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE PRODUCERS HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH HIM IN FROZEN 2, SO THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST SCRAPPED OUT HIM FROM THE FILM COMPLETELY!!!! THEY BETTER NOT GIVE HIM A BACKSTORY IN FROZEN 3, BECAUSE IF THEY DO, IT WILL GO AGAINST THE THEME OF SISTERLY LOVE THAT THIS FRANCHISE IS SUPPOSED TO TEACH US AND IT WILL END UP RUINING THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE COMPLETELY!!!! I REALLY HOPE THAT ANNA BREAKS OFF HER ENGAGEMENT IN FROZEN 3 BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS BEST FOR HER AND IT WILL ACTUALLY BETTER THE FRANCHISE, ALWAYS PRIOITIZING SISTERLY LOVE OVER PATHETIC, DISGUSTING 🤢 AND GROSS ROMANCE AND UPHOLDING THE LESSON THAT LOVE SHOULD NEVER, EVER BE ROMANTIC!!!! BREAK UP ANNA AND KRISTOFF AND THEN, THE FROZEN FRANCHISE WILL BE GOOD TO GO!!!! AND ALSO, SOMETHING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS THAT PEOPLE KEEP COMPLAINING THAT DISNEY SHOULD'VE GONE WITH MAKING THE STARBOY ASHA'S PARTNER INSTEAD OF DELETING HIM COMPLETELY FROM THE FILM WISH AND USING AN ACTUAL STAR. WELL, THEY ALSO CRITICIZE COUPLES LIKE SNOW WHITE AND PRINCE FERDINAND, CINDERELLA AND PRINCE CHARMING, AURORA AND PRINCE PHILIP, ARIEL AND ERIC, BELLE AND THE BEAST, JASMINE AND ALADDIN, ETC., AND YES, I ALSO HATE THESE COUPLES AND THINK THAT THEY ARE BAD, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I AM GLAD THAT DISNEY FINALLY STOPPED GIVING THEIR HEROINES LOVE INTERESTS AND WHY THEY DELETED STARBOY FROM WISH AND REPLACED HIM WITH AN ACTUAL STAR, LIKE PEOPLE HAD A PROBLEM WITH DISNEY PUTTING ROMANCE IN THEIR MOVIES, I GET IT, I GET IT, BUT NOW THAT THEY HAVE PUT AN END TO ALL THIS ROMANCE CRAP, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?!?! THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO LIFE THAN JUST FINDING A ROMANTIC PARTNER AND THEN SPENDING THE REST OF YOUR LIFE WITH THEM!!!! ROMANCE IS NOT EVERYTHING, AND THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND IT!!!!_*
@@arshia_rashel2124 I think you might have misunderstood the theme but then again you seem to have some serious issues so that doesn't seem too surprising
Frozen is one those cases of "less is more". The more sequels and information we get about the Frozen universe the less I like it. It's like the took the absolute worst answer to any question we might of had about the first movie and decided to make shorts and movies with it. The worst of it was the entire first movie was about loving relationship between sisters... and then the second movie says their adopted and they basically split up.
Well, a lot of fans were asking how a Princess from a non-magic wielding family like Elsa got her ice powers in the first place considering none of the characters, even King Agnarr, knew how Elsa inexplicably acquired ice powers. When Grand Pappie asks him whether Elsa was born or cursed with her ice powers, he says “born”, like someone who saw their child born with strange powers and had no idea why they had said powers. Part of the motivation of making the sequel was explaining Elsa’s ice powers and how she got it. Heck, Kung Fu Panda 2 goes into a backstory of how Mr. Ping adopted Po since a lot of fans were asking the question: “Why Is Po’s Dad a Goose and Not a Panda?” So, why not have the sequel also explain a fan question? 🤷♂️
@@hunterolaughlin I suppose the question itself isn't so bad, but the answer shouldn't detract from what we already knew. In Kung Fu Panda 2 his family back story did not suddenly ruin every thing. He wasn't wasn't from a long line of mystical Panda warriors and destined for greatness, making his previous hero journey worthless. Instead the panda's were horrible at fighting till Po taught them how to stand up for themselves. I think a better excuse for Elsa would of been magic. Perhaps the Royal couple couldn't conceive and went to the trolls for help... They called on the spirits and it being winter she got that power. Sort of a sacrifice for the reward you often see in such magic deals in Fairy Tales. It would also give another nudge to the Trolls often causing more trouble when they try to help.
Kristoff is annoying, because this movie tries so hard to "fix" problems from the older movies, but he's just gets awarded with Anna because he's not a jerk, like Anna was a prize or a award. Also, yeah, fuck the trolls.
I always felt Kristoff was an unnecessary add on. Because he is effectively just the taxi driver who’s there to get her from A to B. A better character to use would have been the shop guy she first met who could have been a caring big uncle type to her. Who could’ve advised her about love based on his own life experiences and would be a nice different archetype that we never see really. Also without him it adds tension towards the end more with Hans. Because then what can she do if no one is there to proclaim romantic true love. Ups the stakes and keeps the audience guessing. I think without him overall it we could have more room to build Anna and Elsa’s relationship as sisters. Also without him we would have stuck to one of the original themes. Not to fall in love with someone too fast, which sadly is shot down by her getting with him at the end anyway. I don’t hate him, but I think in a lot of ways the story would have been stronger without him.
I was really disappointed that Kristoff didn't interact much with the other Sami and that the Sami tribe look very homogenous. It's obviously the direct respond from the "controversy" of these zealous ignorant activists who don't know who the Sami are other than they are indigenous people and suggest that all indigenous people must be the same of not being European. There are plenty of indigenous European ethnicities such as the Basques and the Irish wanderers. There was even more during the ancient times where most of Europe was indigenous but they were all still just Europeans (most slavs, celts and germanic people was indigenous back then). Indigenous is just a sociopolitical description of a group being oppressed throughout history and they all don't need to have specific features different from the dominant group. The Sami are very diverse people with many appearances but most of them look indifferent from other Europeans. Some may have few asiatic features due to the cold climate and an asiatic immigration event happening around early iron age that introduced the Uralic language but there was already people living there so the actual asiatic influences on the overall genome are still very minor with few population have almost 1/4 only at the highest. There are also quite many other non-Sami Nordic people with asiatic-like appearances too such as slightly slitted eyes and puffy cheeks which could just be for the cold environment. There are many Sami who also lack these features as they are very diverse. Haplogroup don't represent much on the actual genome and are only useful to trace only a few migrations through one line. The asiatic haplogroup N don't show up much in Hungary but are also dominant in the non-Uralic Baltic countries too. Because that tiny part is almost unchangeable, it's easy to become dominate and be dominated by chance. I also really wanted to know Kristoff's background and what his family and tribe think of him suddenly disappeared like that. I really wonder if they are still worried and searching for him.
I think it would have worked if they had made one of the ice harvesters in the opening scene Kristoff's father. This way we'd know why he also became an ice harvester and wears the same clothes as the other men did.
Glad someone else has made the same observation and it needs to be stated more often because this has been driving me crazy since I first watched Frozen II. Klaus did the Sami more justice, I think. It's so obvious that they wrote their setting to be California 2.0. 🙄 That's all these modern content creators (because I refuse to call them artists) know how to do. There's no real regard for the local cultures, even these movies' music mostly sounds like generic pop numbers instead of something appropriately ethnic to Norway. It annoys me that this trend is becoming prevalent.
I think he worked in first movie. But they really did him dirty in the sequel. What the hell was that "character arc"? It was worse then women in elder movies. The original idea with him loving Anna, but not fitting the world of the princess's suitor... that was interesting! But yeah, we have very little time, so sheniginangs it is!
disney, as showed in tarzan and the jungle book, can make orphan boys raised by non humans, disney should have done it better by this 3rd moment disney featured this trope. even barbie with the island princess film did better.
*_I HAVE TO BE REAL WITH YOU, RAPUNZEL AND EUGENE ARE THE ONLY DISNEY COUPLE I ACTUALLY LIKE. ALL OTHER DISNEY COUPLES ARE GARBAGE, INCLUDING ANNA AND KRISTOFF!!!! IN FACT, THEY ARE LITERALLY THE WORST DISNEY COUPLE OF ALL TIME!!!! AND I FOREVER STAND BY THAT!!!! ANNA MAY NOT BE BLIND IN HER LOVE FOR HIM, BUT HE'S BLIND IN HIS LOVE FOR HER!!!! DID ANYONE EVER THINK ABOUT THAT?!?!_*
omg i haven't even started this video but I'm so excited. Not to be overdramatic but I pretty much consider the inclusion of Kristoff's character in the final cut of Frozen to be THE event that started Disney's downfall in writing quality.
He was such a minor presence in the film that it would have changed EVERYTHING about the movie to elevate his role. I'm not crazy about him but I don't think that's the solution.
I mean in the original Snow Queen story Kai and Gherda are both the main characters. So yes, he should have been a main character. But for that to work, Elsa would have had to be the villain and they scrapped that idea.
Hans should have been the love interest. Kristoff shouldn't have existed. Elsa should have been a villain. Keep it true to the source material. Frozen 2 is an abomination and a shameless cash grab that shouldn't exist.
This channel is such a terapy for me like... Godness is do good to find a olace that doesn't like Frozen and actually points out all the structural problems in this movie. Like the writing is just, so, so, so, so terrible. Ot does less than the bare minimum and people love it because the animation is good and the music is alright.
Kistof went from a loner, competent mountaineer to a sidekick simp. But it isn't just Kristy that got bleached into a dumb dumb in this modern Disney fairytale, it happens to all male characters. Matt is just a black token to get a box checked. A soldier who's bragging about duty but always disappears when shits hit the fan, only showed up near the ending before our second-rate heroine decided to, well.., drown everybody's homes. He went into the woods on duty as the prince's bodyguard but he thought he's on vacation, enjoying the tribal show instead of keeping his eyes on his charge, resulting in the prince nearly getting killed. He's an incompetent but sly opportunist. Kristy is hellbent on getting the princess to marry him, trying to propose anywhere anytime possible. Despite knowing the danger of the journey his girlfriend is about to take, he accompanying her arming himself with only... a wedding ring. He's about to inherited half the asset of the queen yet on her big day/ceremony, he told his girlfriend/queen he'll be giving his time for her only one hour. He a friggin selfish ass. The old king Runeard...is a bit problematic. We only know about this guy through his son Agnarr, which isn't much by the way. The rest we known through the magic ice cave which is pretty much words from his opposition that could even be considered an accusation from a disputed party. What we can be certain about is Runeard spent vast amount of resource and manpower to build a dam that tally it's mass exceeding everything in his kingdom combined for no benefit whatsover. He's a stupid douchebag. And king Agnarr, the girl's father. Barely anything about this guy. And credit to the story, we can't even be sure there is any of his genetic material in his firstborn daughter since she is now clearly not human and has nothing in her life related to him other than growing up in his house. The only thing we can be sure is that he brought his wife and the entire crew of his ship to a fruitless attempt to do something stupid and got everybody killed. He's an idiot.
@@lahlybird895Don't pay much attention to him, these types of men these days are doing everything they can to victimize themselves when it comes to male characters in films where women play the main role. They act as if the same problems haven't happened for years with female characters and they still continue to happen.
@@hauralins yeah I got that then again women do the exact same thing like when they complain about fringing even though it happens to male characters all the time and no one gets mad about it, but if it happens to a female character it's bad writing and the author is probably sexist.
tbh, i only remember kristoff because of a +18 comic i was reading in wich he randomly appear. its sad because he could have been a good character, heres my idea in how he could have been better: At the beginning we see Kristoff working with those men removing ice. That show us that since he was little, Kristoff has had to work a lot, since that work is not very easy, rather it seems incredibly exhausting, to be able to get a plate of food. We already have a trait, Kristoff has had a difficult life and has managed to have a foundation thanks to his work. A time jump is made, when Elsa escapes and that ice begins to spread. We are shown that Kristoff is not an isolated person, he does not live with the stone dwarves, but rather near a village where he is friends with everyone, and he has a store where he sells ice, but because of the frost no one buys from him anymore because there's ice everywhere, so now he is pretty poor, again. There he meets Anna, and realizes that she is a princess, a person who has had everything served on a silver platter for her entire life, a privileged person who has not had to work a single day in her life to be able to live comfortably. That makes him generate hatred towards her, since she is his opposite, a privileged woman versus a poor, hard-working man. There they make a deal, he helps her look for Elsa, she promises that the castle will only buy ice from him, so if Kristoff helps her, s he will no longer have to worry about money and will finally be able to live comfortably. They begin the journey and, just like the movie, they begin to fall in love. Anna tells him about her life full of luxuries but lonelyness, contrasting with his poor life but warm because of all the friends he has. Anna teaches him to be more relaxed and to take life calmly and enjoy it, because Kristoff always has needed to work he does not know how to relax, while Kristoff teaches Anna not to judge people by their economic level and gives her lessons in life that he has learned being poor. In the end, they fall in love, they meet the stone people who notice that there is a special bond between them and try to get them married, interrupting the wedding because of Anna's hair and the story continues the same as the movie. it would still be a pretty generic romantic plot,but i think he would be more remembered and had more character development.
*_THIS GOING TO CHANGE IN FROZEN 3, NOW THAT ANNA IS THE NEW QUEEN OF ARENDELLE!!!! YEAH, SHE'LL OBVIOUSLY STILL HAVE HER COMFORT AND LUXURIES, EVEN MORE NOW THAT SHE'S THE RULER, BUT WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY!!!! SHE WILL BE UNDER SO MUCH PRESSURE IN FROZEN 3, BECOMING QUEEN AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE AND RULING AN ENTIRE KINGDOM ALL BY HERSELF, ALSO I DON'T THINK SHE RECEIVED AS MUCH TRAINING AS HER BELOVED OLDER SISTER, ELSA, SO IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY HARD FOR HER. SHE WILL HAVE TO WORK DAY AND NIGHT, DAY AND NIGHT, AND SHE PROBABLY WILL NOT EVEN HAVE TIME TO PLAY CHARADES ANYMORE!!!! AT LEAST HER BELOVED OLDER SISTER, ELSA, WILL BE ABLE TO HELP HER, BECAUSE SHE HAS LITERALLY BEEN RULING OVER ARENDELLE FOR THREE YEARS BEFORE DISCOVERING HER ROLE AS THE FIFTH SPIRIT AND ABDICATING THE THRONE IN FAVOUR OF HER LITTLE SISTER!!!! BUT MEANWHILE, KRISTOFF, ON THE OTHER HAND, WILL BE DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, OTHER THAN EATING, SLEEPING, LOUNGING AROUND THE CASTLE, AND WATCHING POOR ANNA SUFFER!!!! SO YEAH, HE USED TO BE VERY HARDWORKING, BUT NOT ANYMORE!!!!_*
Seconding. It's so obvious that she's Lee's mouthpiece/self-insert-which has clearly been detrimental toward the character's development and the overall writing quality of this franchise.
@@AnimaVox_ Oh hey. Didn't expect to see you here not long after first replying to you from WDWPro's video on Jennifer Lee ruining Disney Animation Studios. And what you said makes a lot of sense. Anna's such a stupid, immature, and even selfish twit who's highly-incapable of listening, has no common sense nor even a sense of danger whatsoever, and never learns, grows, and changes as a person by the end of both Frozen movies. Yet like Elsa, the whole world including Disney themselves keep making her out to be a "strong, empowering, and relatable" female character and a "positive" influence and role model to both girls and women everywhere.
@@AnimaVox_ Aldone just uploaded the Anna character video today and unfortunately, it's the opposite. And it really shouldn't be a surprise considering the fact that he uploaded a video praising the Frozen franchise two weeks ago, despite previously uploading many videos criticizing the same IP.
I’m so glad people are finally assessing Frozen critically because I thought it was cute but nothing special. I’ve never understood the hype for this movie because I’ve always felt nothing could top the sisterly relationship in Lilo and Stitch. No hate if Frozen is your favorite Disney movie but I personally don’t get it.
@@kristinahuchison2511 Brother Bear isn’t a sisterly relationship…and Encanto is the whole family. But they’re also great! I still think Lilo and Stitch is the best representation of realistic and loving sisters.
Like Elsa, I do plan to fix every character in one of my projects. I’m pretty sure that if Disney weren’t copyright crazy, I’m sure that fans could make better alliterations of every Frozen character much like with Sonic.
Same it makes me cringe hard omg .. I thought it was some kind of parody when i heard it for the first time, like it's so bad 😭 I can't believe some ppl picked it as their fave song from the movie 😀
*_THEN DISNEY BETTER NOT GIVE ANNA AND KRISTOFF A DUET IN FROZEN 3, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WILL BE FAR WORSE THAN "LOST IN THE WOODS" AND DEFINITELY NOT AS GOOD AS "LOVE IS AN OPEN DOOR". MAYBE "LOST IN THE WOODS" WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER AS A VILLAIN SONG, I MEAN HANS WAS THE VILLAIN OF THE FIRST MOVIE, AND BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO EXCLUDE HIM FROM FROZEN 2, WHY NOT MAKE KRISTOFF THE VILLAIN OF THE SECOND MOVIE?!?! ALSO, IT WAS WEIRD THAT KRISTOFF WOULD KEEP ON SAYING THAT HE IS "LOST IN THE WOODS" RIGHT AFTER HE JUST TOLD RYDER THAT HE KNEW HIS WAY AROUND THE WOODS, LIKE, FIVE SECONDS AGO. LOL. 🤣😂_*
I trust Mulan, Cinderella, and even Megara to rule the kingdom of Arendelle before I trust Anna or Elsa to run it. Other than Anna being an annoying character, thats the one thing I never really liked about this story of "Frozen". The original characters werent even royalty in the original story.
He was a nothing character in the first one, so I expected this going into the sequel. There's not much to the character. He was only there to say that Anna was crazy for marrying a guy she just met, and sometimes save her.
kristoff and anna aren't like eugene and Rapunzel, if you look at eugene fitzherbert, he's trying to get rapunzel out of the tower in tangled and letting her go outside for the first time thanks gothel for that and we got the series for that as well.
This kind of highlights another issue with a lot of modern Disney movies - the story's lack of urgency and the presence of an implied status quo. In Tangled, if the inciting incident (Flynn stumbling upon Rapunzel in the tower) never happens, then the kingdom will continue to be sad and Rapunzel will still be trapped. In movies like Frozen, Wish, Encanto, and more, it feels more like a TV show where even though there is technically some form of conflict, there isn't a major consequence for the conflict remaining unaddressed, and also the goal of the conflict is to get everything "back to normal" or as close to it as possible. It's so safe and boring.
@@DSS712 dude tangled got a series, if rapunzel was stuck in the tower all alone with no one but her and pascal, she will never experience what it's like to be free but the series fleshed out eugene and rapunzel's relationship and the ugency andv status quo don't make any sense in tangled.
@@viviennemorgan7217 sorry i think you misunderstood. Im saying that tangled's story is more compelling and urgent BECAUSE there is no status quo. The story starts and ends with the characters in much different circumstances from when the story began. Frozen is boring because the story starts with them being princesses in a stable kingdom and ends with them being princesses in a stable kingdom. On top of that, the little stakes that do exist in Frozen's plot have nothing to do with Kristoff, and he could essentially be removed from the movie without any of the central conflicts being affected. All in all its just such a "nothing" movie.
I’m curios on your thoughts of Disney’s original live action projects that aren’t remakes or pre established franchises like Marvel and Star Wars. Films like Mary Poppins, Enchanted, Race to Witch Mountain, The Pirates of the Caribbean movies, Remember the Titans, The original Haunted Mansion, Treasure Island, Old Yeller, National Treasure, George of the Jungle, Sky High, Holes, and the first two Chronicles of Narnia films.
So I was gonna take notes for a Frozen 2 rewrite fic but after watching this video, now I came out feeling confident with how I written his relationship with his families.
Now before I turn the mob and their pitchforks and torches away, I must state this. As a Kristoff stan, I do agree he doesn't have a strong purpose in the Frozen universe. He solely exists as Anna's arm candy 🍬 and for fans to exist in their fantasys... Still I can't help myself, Kristoff is a beautiful piece of ass who deserved better. And don't even get me started on the trolls.
All of the characters in a story serve a function , depends on the execution what role they play in the story unfortunately because kristoff is not a main or contributes minimal he's comes more & more bland on rewatches
I haven’t watched this video yet but this makes me sad. I always thought kristoff was really sweet and funny, and he was one of my first childhood crushes so I guess in a way I’m biased.
Can you please try Disney Junior shows like the Mickey Mouse shows, The lion guard, Tangled: the series, Jake and the neverland Pirates, and Little Einsteins?
In the first movie I thought that Hans and Kristoff were both going to be genuine allies (and eventual love interests) of the princesses. But, since they didn't go that route, at least give Kristoff something to do; Some role in helping the Princesses. (Personally I would have made the romance Anna/Hans, and, by the end, a friendship between Elsa and Kristoff. Then in "Frozen 2" we'd see that friendship develop into more.) As for "Frozen 2" The same basic story would have worked, but instead of the Northuldra, use the Sami. We would then see that they are Kristof's people. Maybe his family was on the wrong side of the divide when the barrier was created. That gives Elsa and Kristoff a connection to the tribe and personal history to uncover. As it is, the only reason Kristoff was in "Frozen 2" at all was because people would ask, "Where is Kristoff?" Actually, maybe I need to get back to my fan fiction page. These are some good "What if" ideas.
I thought his character is terrific. I would love to see more of him. Because he was willing to say what do you need, and did it. Without taking horrible turns.
I just hope that in the movie of Shrek 5, once Disney buys DreamWorks, all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses appear, especially the most important character in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea, Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, with her best friends Tip, Dash, Kiera and Catalina, and besides, they will be the new main characters of the movie of Shrek 5 so that they help Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others to defeat Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, as Queen Grimhilde, Lady Tremaine, Maleficent, Marina del Rey, Ursula, Gaston LeGume, Jafar, John Ratcliffe, Shan Yu, Dr. Facilier, Zhan Tiri, Judge Claude Frollo, Mother Gothel, Tamatoa, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel The Grisly, Mor'du, Prince Hans, King Runeard, Pitch Black, The Druun, The Soldiers, Dr. Zara, Queen Nerissa, King Magnifico, Morgana, Evil Rapunzel and Drizella Tremaine, and to prevent Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks from ruling and destroying all The Multiverse Forever, especially The Kingdom of Far Far Away, Shrek along with his wife named Princess Fiona will need help from their new friends which are all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses, as Prince Florian, Princess Snow White, Prince Charming, Princess Cinderella, Prince Philip, Princess Aurora, Prince Eric, Princess Ariel, Prince Adam, Princess Belle, Prince Aladdin, Princess Jasmine, Prince John Smith, Princess Pocahontas, Prince Li Shang, Princess Fa Mulan, Prince Naveen, Princess Tiana, Prince Flynn Rider, Princess Rapunzel, Maui, Queen Moana Waialiki, Hiccup Haddock, Princess Merida, Kristoff Bjorgman, Queen Anna, Jack Frost, Princess Elsa, Varian, Cassandra, Jin, Yi, Connor, Ruby Gillman, The Baker, Anastasia Tremaine, Starboy, Princess Asha, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Ting-Ting, Su, and Mei, Charlotte La Bouff, Nakoma, Namaari, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica and Melody, but actually, Melody is The First and Only that she is not a True Official Disney Princess, because Melody made her debut in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea and it is also because she is The First and Only Daughter of an Official Disney Princess, but Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others also need Melody's help to protect and save all The Multiverse, especially Their Kingdom of Far Far Away away from Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, because Melody is The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, but also The Death of Queen Lillian, because since her husband named King Harold passed away in the movie of Shrek 3, she has felt heartbroken and that caused her own death in her Kingdom of Far Far Away, and all The Inhabitants of The Kingdom of Far Far Away are saddened by The Death of Queen Lillian, because now she is with her husband named King Harold in heaven, and now they have lost their queen, that means now The Kingdom of Far Far Away needs a new queen and King Artie said that his love interest, girlfriend, fiancée and former classmate from Worcestershire school called Princess Guinevere would be the one to be The New Queen of Far Far Away, so King Artie decided to return to his old school called Worcestershire along with Shrek, with his older cousin Princess Fiona, with Donkey, with Dragon, with Puss in Boots, with Kitty Softpaws, with Perrito, with Dulcinea, with The Three Diablos, with Goldilocks, with The Three Bears, with The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, with The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and with the Others to meet again with their friends from their school who are actually Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany and his love interest, girlfriend and fiancée Princess Guinevere to take them back to his Kingdom of Far Far Away, and also The Romance of all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses, especially The Romance of Maui and Queen Moana Waialiki, The Romance of Hiccup Haddock and Princess Merida, The Romance of Jack Frost and Princess Elsa, The Romance of Varian and Cassandra, The Romance of Starboy and Princess Asha, The Romance of Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany and The Romance of King Artie and Princess Guinevere, because I think that Maui will be Queen Moana Waialiki's love interest, boyfriend and fiancé, while Hiccup Haddock will be Princess Merida's love interest and boyfriend, Princess Tiffany will be Prince Lancelot's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée and Princess Guinevere will be King Artie's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée, because Queen Moana Waialiki is going to fall in love with Maui, Princess Merida is going to fall in love Hiccup Haddock, Princess Tiffany is going to fall in love with Prince Lancelot and Princess Guinevere is going to fall in love with King Artie, but they don't know how to tell them their feelings towards them and neither how to win their hearts, because every time Queen Moana Waialiki gets too close to Maui when it comes to true love, she gets very nervous with him, while which in the case of Princess Merida is also the same, because whenever Princess Merida gets too close to Hiccup Haddock when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous with him, in the case of Princess Tiffany it is also the same, because whenever Princess Tiffany gets too close to Prince Lancelot when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, and in the case of Princess Guinevere too, because every time Princess Guinevere gets too close to King Artie when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, but luckily for them, Princess Fiona will help Queen Moana Waialiki to win The Heart of Maui, also Princess Merida to win The Heart of Hiccup Haddock, also Princess Tiffany to win The Heart of Prince Lancelot and also Princess Guinevere to win The Heart of King Artie, and I also want that Jack Frost will be Princess Elsa's love interest and boyfriend and Varian will be Cassandra's love interest and boyfriend, because Jack Frost leaves fall in love with Princess Elsa, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Jack Frost gets too close to Princess Elsa when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, because Varian leaves fall in love with Cassandra, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Varian gets too close to Cassandra when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, but fortunately for they, Shrek will help Jack Frost to win The Heart of Princess Elsa and also Varian to win The Heart of Cassandra, except Goldilocks, Namaari, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, Princess Raya and Princess Mirabel Madrigal, because now they will be The Only Official Disney Princesses who do not need to have love interests and who can remain single forever, and also the same for Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, because like her new adoptive aunts Goldilocks, Namaari, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, Princess Raya and Princess Mirabel Madrigal, she doesn't need a love interest either, but also The Rivalry of King Artie and Queen Anna because they both want to compete in a challenge to see who is The Best Ruler of a Kingdom, because both want to do what is best for Their Own Kingdom, because King Artie wants to do the best for his Kingdom of Far Far Away because now he is The New King of Far Far Away and Queen Anna wants to do the best for her Kingdom of Arendelle because now she is The New Queen of Arendelle, but at the end, King Artie and Queen Anna become best friends in the world, because at the end, they both learned from their mistakes that they have made since their challenge to compete to see who is the best ruler of a Kingdom, and that at the end, King Artie and Princess Guinevere see their first true love kiss and that they become a romantic couple, just like Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany, and also that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, Shrek becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princes and Maui, Hiccup Haddock, Kristoff Bjorgman, Jack Frost, Varian, Jin, Connor, The Baker, Starboy, Prince Lancelot and King Artie become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princes, while Princess Fiona becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princesses and Queen Anna, Princess Elsa, Cassandra, Yi, Ruby Gillman, Anastasia Tremaine, Princess Asha, Goldilocks, Namaari, Nakoma, Ting-Ting, Su, and Mei, Charlotte La Bouff, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Princess Tiffany and Princess Guinevere become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princesses and that one day, Princess Tiffany will be The Wife of Prince Lancelot and that they have a family in the future, and that also Princess Guinevere is The Wife of King Artie, that they also have a family and that she becomes The New Queen of Far Far Away in The Future.
while every old disney love interest had a diverse and genuinely interesting personality, it felt like kristoff was just a 'by-product' and a boring mix of the previous one's. great video bro🤌🤌
It's funny since he and Anna were set up as breaking the 'falling in love/get married in 5min' type of joke Disney had been trying to set Hans up as. But come movie 2 that's kinda what they are-they don't have much chemistry and they feel like a couple because the plot says they are, even at the end of Frozen 1 I felt like they only were 'in love' because the plot wanted them to be for the sake of it. Renaissance era-Tangled all have love interests that for the most part, felt convincing as to why they fell in love. Interesting dynamics, enjoyable banter, having things in common and learning from each other, Kristoff just feels like an accessory to Anna/the plot in contrast.
Here's an idea. How about you talk about The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea. It's regarded as one of the worst Disney sequels. Yet, it has developed a cult following nowadays. I stand my ground that AniMat has nailed it to why the sequel doesn't work. But, I just want to hear your take on it (just for fun). No matter what, Little Mermaid 2 is an objectively badly made movie.
Dude I hate himbo x girlboss trope so much. Not so much the characters' personalities in itself, more like _the lack thereof_. it's just annoying writers need to make their own characters fit into tropes to appeal to some twitter disney adult I didn't like Flynn either actually but I recognized he was well-written and appreciated how he was able to stand on his own while still obviously caring for Rapunzel
@@gabidobre5584 ah well..he's a disney character. He and Rapunzel are gonna be fiiine. Still don't like him tho. Never liked those "charming dashing rogue" types.
Kristoff is just sort of... there. And that's it. He has no real character arc which to speak of, no meaningful development besides just getting with Anna because the plot dictates so. Do we even know _why_ they like each other? Like, the reasons they're attracted to one another? Is it in any way evident through their actions? These are questions you have to ask and answer for every romance-and I honestly don't know what it is they see in each other! Their relationship is so bereft of charisma and chemistry, I can't even articulate what about them is appealing because I have nothing to grab on to! Don't expect me to just like something because I'm told to, show me a reason to like it. 🤦 I think the biggest problem of the character is that he doesn't function independent of Anna. He's basically an extension of her, created to validate her desire, when what he needs to be is his own separate character. I liked him better in the first movie because he was, at bare minimum, more proactive in helping to drive the story forward. However, Frozen II completely sidelines the character and turns him into a joke. It's extremely telling that people talk about Hans (even if it's often negatively) way more than Kristoff. The former is at least memorable, but Kristoff just doesn't leave enough of an impression to be more than a footnote in this franchise. And that's sad.
I don’t care what anyone says, I frigging love Kristoff’s 80s love ballad parody “Lost in the Woods” and am glad it’s in the final film and I would honestly not want to be alive if I had to live in an alternate universe where the song doesn’t exist. Also, keep in mind, it’s not like Disney has had MANY songs that sounded contemporary and completely anachronistic to the time period their respective films take place in.
He was bad in frozen 2, idk what happened to his character development but I guess they just disregarded him for a good chunk of that movie. In frozen 1, he was obvs better as he was heroic, helped anna and played a better role in general.
You really hate this movie.😂😂😂 Well they shoehorn him in as the love interest. Cause they knew Hans was the Villain all along... Poor Writing ✍ , from Disney
No jodas el ni lo haría. No cuando existe películas como Food Fight, Marmaduke, los varios ripoffs de películas de Disney y Dreamworks. Solo porque te encanta Frozen y te molesta que el lo está criticando por razones bastante válidas, no significa que los encuentra todo mal carajo 🙄
@@NinthShinigami Seré honesto contigo, a pesar de que soy medio fan de Frozen, sé a la perfección que ambas películas tienen errores, en especial Frozen 2, pero si hasta dijo que Elsa en la 2 es un mal personaje porque y cito "no aprendió nada", si Elsa pasó de huír de los problemas a enfrentarlos en Frozen 2 no creo que eso signifique "no aprender nada".
He’s done videos praising underrated stuff like Cars, the Dreamworks villains, the older Disney films, Moana, and even in these videos where he criticizes he often brings up an example of what he’s criticizing having been done better, in turn giving that film and aspect praise.
@@unapersona5485 literalmente el otro día sacó un video de la canción let it go y cómo era bueno 🤣 y hasta en ese video, explicó cómo esa canción lo ha jodido a Disney para seguir intentando de hacer uno con el mismo nivel de popularidad pero con la mitad del trabajo 😂 hay que decirlo como es men, Disney aprendió todo lo incorrecto de Frozen solo porque les hizo arto dinero. No me imagino el diciendo algo de la animación cuando varias películas más lo usaron después de Frozen como Moana, Zootopia, y Encanto. Hasta Pixar han usado estilos similares…
Its so sad how both he and Anna were reduced to one note characters in "Frozen 2". Anna became overly moody and focused on ALWAYS wanting to know where Elsa was. And Kristoff was just awkward to watch and listen to as he struggled to find the best way to propose to Anna.
Right on answer ✊
I believe Disney demanded the movie be done on a specific date. They were having major trouble with the story and characters and had to get it finished by the deadline. It’s not about giving a great story.
Agreed
I'm sorry but everyone in Frozen 2 was just either boring or painful to watch.
Frozen 2 focused too much on Elsa and the writers completely neglected Anna and Kristoff who were both fun and strong characters from the first movie
In my opinion, Naveen is the best Disney prince, he has his own character arc alongside Tiana. Their stories and personalities complete each ❤
I agree. Beast, Naveen, and Aladdin have the most concrete Prince arcs where they overcome a personal shortcoming and grow as much or more than the female protagonist (Belle's already self-actualized, Jasmine already hated the royal rules and was headstrong. Tiana was goal-oriented but needed to realize that she owed it to herself to have fun and open up to people).
Hercules and Tarzan also have big time character growth and are royalty by technicality (Tarzan's basically the "King of the Jungle" and Herc's the son of the King of the Olympian gods, so technically a "Demi-God Prince").
I'd personally also include Eric cause his was subtle, but his arc was secondary to Ariel and Triton's father-daughter story. He got development similar to Jasmine in that his role was to look past the main character's secrets and love them unconditionally.
I think Eric was the best prince. Eric is first introduced by the movie narrative as adventurous young man who despite his royal heritage is not above the “dirty work”: the audience is initially exposed to him helping other sailors on the ship as well as showing consideration and concern towards Grimsby in addition to being a good listener and quite an experienced storyteller informed about the subject he takes it upon himself to talk about hence the sailors discussing Triton and the sea with Eric while Grimsby sceptically brushes their theories off. Thoroughness, open mind and a down to earth attitude are established among Eric’s primary characteristics from the get go and not for the sake of forcibly and obnoxiously presenting him as a multi-dimensional morally/intellectually superior protagonist - in fact, he can hardly even be deemed as one seeing as the movie essentially revolves around Ariel and her struggles with inability to obtain independence and fulfill herself outside of a place she feels like she belongs whereas every other character, no matter how significant, plays a part of a supporting cast - but in order to showcase his interests thus, in so much as the first few minutes of the movie we already learn up on not only the hobbies Eric is intensely invested in but the extent of his love for the sea, conflicted relationship with his guardian figure (Grimsby) and are provided with a raw sketch of his mindset and the lens through which he observes the world.
All of it could have easily been left out seeing as Eric’s individual emotional investments are not particularly related to Ariel’s story, but those aspects are outlined regardless because Eric isn’t merely a love interest of a fiery red head: he has a personality, a character of his own.
Next time Eric comes off as “the guy with a flute”, it being the immediate impression he gives off once Ariel first sees him, confronted with not so much his mesmerizing attractiveness as the way his eyes lit up when he produced music for his own pleasure (poignantly, the same exact way Ariel preferred to go about her musical skills: away from the crowds or pretentious grand celebrations, using a melody for self expression. It’s hardly a coincidence that Melody ended up being a name of her and Eric’s daughter) or when he played with his dog or when he was clearly not impressed with the the statue of himself. Speaking of which, that is a good character moment because it shows that Eric is burdened by expectations and is seen as a powerful future king when in reality, he is a shy introvert.
This allows Ariel to relate to him. Eric, however, was thankful for the attention and love coming from Grimsby regardless of how inexplicably insufficient and misinterpreted the latter’s perception of Eric generally was, which is rather unfortunate given that Grimsby played some sort of a father figure role to him while being entirely unable to get the grasp of how the young man’s mind functioned. Which brings us to another point: according to all the evidence Eric’s parents are most likely dead, considering they didn’t show up on either of his weddings - the fake one with Vanessa and the real one with Ariel - nor did they attend Melody's christening.
Admittedly, being left in charge of no one other than Grimsby who hardly understood what Eric essentially was about, and having to prepare himself to be a future effective ruler of Tirulia.
Eric is the epitome of a person who built one self up independently, firmly standing his ground confronting the standards imposed on him that he was unwilling to conform to - such as being forced into getting married before determining whether there was a right woman (“the one” as Eric referred to a person he hadn’t yet been lucky enough to meet and want to spend the rest of his life with, not settling for any less) among his suitors for the sake of fitting into a certain ideal of a proper prince. His attitude of a dreamer was a part of his established characterization but he was also exceptionally analytical about his concepts of romance.
Having survived a horrific incident Eric sincerely believed he had found true love and his ideology of a dreamer took a strong grab at his outlooks on relationship seeing as he was set out to find a girl with the gorgeous voice at any cost due to said voice being quite literally the only connection to his rescuer. As some people mistakenly imply, Eric did not fall in love with a voice, in fact, at that point his feelings were all over the place and not exactly what stands for actual love, a mature fully formed feeling. Being drawn to the idea of a girl who saved him Eric - genuinely and irreversibly - projects his certitude regarding her being “the one” onto the only representation of her he had been left with so far - her voice. And subsequently his idealistic but slightly immature romantic notions backfire with a cunning irony once he meets a girl who has everything a man can dream of but lacks what he seeks out the most. A beautiful stranger doesn’t talk therefore cannot be “the one” nor would she ever - as he firmly believes - pass for “the one” hence why Ariel’s beauty is essentially irrelevant to Eric. His one and only goal concerning relationship at that point revolves around finding that person he believes to be one in the whole world who is right for him.
Not only doesn’t he fall for Ariel’s looks but is entirely indifferent to said looks due to thinking that woman is not the one he needs (frankly, the assumption about Eric being easily smitten with visual appeal is extensively incorrect considering the fact that, due to his royal status, chances quite a few attractive female suitors were eager to have his hand only to be rejected because Eric at one point explicitly stated he wasn’t interested in superficial relationship and was waiting for the right person). Which doesn’t mean Eric is immune to primordial instincts and cannot appreciate physical attractiveness - he does, in fact, acknowledge Ariel’s captivating outer exterior once she dresses up for a dinner but it isn’t until she makes him laugh for the first time in few days by being her overly excited, imaginative and adorably dorky self that he starts taking a more insightful look into her and is willing to take her on a Kingdom tour - while still not being ready to open up to her or let the endearing mysterious girl into his life due to being committed to his unrealistic ideal.
Next day Eric spends actual time with Ariel who proceeds to behave excessive and enthusiastic, never failing to amaze him. She is more invested in exploring various layers of the city life rather than paying a consistent attention to him (but… but Ariel totally “left her family behind to be with a man” and had no other agenda, right? Right?!), however, Eric is perfectly content with dedicating time and effort into making her feel happy and content, not being put off by her overflowing craziness in the slightest, but getting more and more intrigued by the unusual, eccentric nature of his accomplice - to the point of becoming largely conflicted hence the boat scene where Eric wants to get to know Ariel while still being unsure of his own feelings and pulling away when she tries to initiate a kiss - because yes, he still takes relationship incredibly seriously and is unwilling to allow himself so much as an innocent romantic interaction without being fully confident that this person is truly the one for him. He challenges himself and his initially established concepts of idealistic romance, gradually deviating from a strong commitment to an image of a girl with a sing song-ish voice he had created in his mind in favor of opening the door into the possibility of forming a bond with a real person regardless of this blooming relationship being enormously confusing, awkward and opposing to everything he had led himself to believe in before. He was GROWING out of exaggerations and teenage angst and exposing himself to a new perspective of building a mature relationship. The segment with him throwing a flute into the ocean is the ultimate representation of his character development.
Eric’s love for Ariel was powerful in both dimensions: back when he was an avid dreamer with a controversial concept of romance who invested considerable amounts of emotional energy into the idea of “the one” and when he was no longer a happy go lucky kid indulging in his dreams but a man willing to fight for a person he loves both in a figurative (choosing the real Ariel over the romanticized ideal) and literal sense (once slipping out of the hypnosis Ursula had inflicted him with all of his thoughts and actions were inevitably and directly related to Ariel, to making her feel loved, to instantly accepting the immensely shocking fact of her being a mermaid and to throwing himself into the waves where he couldn’t even breathe at risk of getting killed in order to make sure she doesn’t remain subjected to her captor) - and in neither of those cases was Eric drawn to Ariel’s looks. Prince Eric is the kind of character to represent self awareness, intelligence, ability to respond to emotional challenges rather than cowardly running away from them and giving all of himself to his nearest and dearest and his story contains more than enough of an evidence to back it up.
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
not a prince, but David is my favorite disney boyfriend. :D
The best Disney prince’s are Eric, the Beast, Aladdin and Hercules.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I love Prince Eric too. I just thought I’d say I read what you said and completely agree! His character arc is very sweet and I love him and Ariel together. I love that he sees her as charming and funny and full of vibrancy and fell for her without caring that she was mute or (for all he knew at the time) a girl who had no prospects for a dowry. I love that he was shy about giving her a kiss because he wanted to be sure she wouldn’t be off out by being forward. He’s also brave and a good leader since he acts self sacrificial to Grimsby and Max with wanting to help save them at risk to himself. He’s a good person and very admirable.
It's ironic how Frozen's best character was Hans and they f*cked it up by turning him into a villain in the last minute 😅
Amen to that
Even those kid UA-cam channels where people cosplayed as Disney princesses knew Hans would bring in a lot of views. My younger sister loved those type of videos back then and they were funny 😂
@@Nopeasaurus *_HANS WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER FIT FOR ANNA IF DISNEY HAD NOT DECIDED TO MAKE HIM A VILLAIN!!!!_*
Hans was boring
To this day, i still believe the trolls were the real villains of the film
lmao
Me too
In Disneys classic, all magic users are villains.
In modern Disney, all Mary Sue heroines need magic.
@@victorstr9396haven’t heard “Mary sue” used in years that gave me whiplash
@@Iotuseater Not that it doesn't apply, just people stopped using it when basically all new characters are that way. Be they Mary or Gary over powered and flawless hero's are the norm now.
The reason I always disliked him and by extension post-twist Hans is because I've always thought that pre-twist Hans and Anna made a better couple. They had some adorkable flirting and an adorkable song (in fact, Love is an Open Door is my favorite song from Frozen) whereas Kristoff spends most of his screen time with Anna criticizing her and/or bickering with her. Now you can do bickering couples right (Tiana and Naveen is a perfect example) but you have to give them moments where they seem genuinely glad to be with one another and given that Kristoff and Anna never smile at each other until the very end of the movie, you never get that. If I had been the writer for Frozen, I would have scrapped Kristoff entirely and had Hans' kiss fail because he's just as naïve about true love as Anna is and they both learn they need more time to get to know each other. That would fix one of my other main issues with the movie which was throwing in a villain at the last minute into a story that didn't need one.
I think you need to rewatch the first movie buddy. They definitely had cute smiley couple moments that you completely missed.
Ok this is just ship talk at this point. As it has been already pointed out, kristoff and Anna have good moments. Idk why you think they don't smile at each other. They literally do all throughout the movie. You just like one ship dynamic more. It's clearly not the writing in this case.
Hear me out:
What if Kristoff would have met Elsa when she was running away? 😅
elsa was supposed to be the villain until they changed it. honestly i would have loved a redeemed villainess gone good after working on her issues. kids arent stupid, i grew up with the lion king for example and in the sequel kovu is at 1st with the bad guys but goes good later. as a kid i could grasp that. same with his outlands pride companions.
I don't like Kristoff either he's way too gay
I think in the first film he wasn’t that bad, but he could have used a little more development, as for the sequel they didn’t knew what to do with him.
Keep him the same, have him be the voice of reason and try to be active in the story. I think they did have an idea as they scraped one idea where kristoff is trying to grapple the idea of royal life fully time when he’s been an outdoors man his whole life. This was a shown cut out sorry board scene. So they had ideas to use him, they just chose not to use it. You can utube it. It’s a scene about kristoff is force to be truthful to Anna.
The "hello, i'm a doormat" kind of character..
Something Kristoff says that is ignored from Frozen one "Yeah, people will beat you, and curse you and cheat you."
This implies that this is something he's experienced.
They dropped that bomb and then it was just left there.
Yeah, he had a personality before he fell in love with Anna and its sad. I'll take misanthrope Kristoff over lovestruck Kristoff any day because at least he has his own personality and beliefs. Now, he's whatever Anna wants him to be. Instead of being his wild child, smelly self living his best life out in the mountains, harvesting ice (he literally says "I love ice! Ice is my life!"), he's sitting in a castle, wearing stuffy clothes, being called "Lord", I fail to see how someone like Kristoff would be happy in that situation.
It speaks current volumes about how our society wants people to contort and twist to meet their lover's demands instead of finding someone who shares your lifestyle and personal values.
@@NopeasaurusI think kristoff needs to evaluate his life, he was adopted by trolls. He lived their life and imagines Sven talking. He hated people but we don’t know if it’s because people have done things to him or he doesn’t fit in because he’s weird.
The trolls also push him to marry Anna and cheat on her fiancé/boyfriend. If kristoff is raised under such ideologies then he could be messed up mentally and not be able to relate to people. He does find with Anna and even is “street smart” and wary of people but he’s just not trusting but trusts anna just fine to help her and give her a ride
Bro literally got reduced to the one note side male before Thor, Hulk, Finn, Poe Dameron, and any other male characters Disney has butchered the last few years 😂
Fr 😂
@@marshalmarrs3269that would require Disney to put in the work. They are so wealthy so they rather buy established companies who put in the hard work and are now forced to be molded into Disney’s vision
"You can´t just marry a guy you just met" "wait you wanted to marry a guy you just met" *meanwhile Kristoff, the SECOND guy Anna meets, becomes her love interest* And yes in the first movie there technically could be a time jump of a few months between saving Arendelle and the ending of the first movie but still. It was very strongly hinted that Kristoff will be Annas love interest. And I mean you technically could also apply the time jumo to any other Disney princess couple. Just bc we saw Ariel and Eric married doesn´t mean they got married just one week later but with princesses like Cinderella, Ariel, Aurora etc people love to complain that the romance is uNreAliStiC bc they bAreLy kNow eAch oTheR
Kristoff: "You can't marry someone you just met! My troll parents said so, they're love experts!"
The Troll parents: "Marry our son right goddamn now... but first we'll list his gross flaws and call his blonde hair color unmanly and say he's doing unnatural things with the reindeer"
Me: "WTF?!"
IKR?? That’s another huge reason why I don’t care for them as a couple. Elsa for whatever reason doesn’t have any qualms with Kristoff, DESPITE Anna knew him for about the same time as Hans.
By trying to avoid that trope they walked right into another one, the Disposable Fiance. The guy is either too bland or too evil so the female lead gets with the other guy.
@@wingedyaga2914 IKR?? If anything Hans was more interesting and charming because he could relate to her struggles of having a stubborn sibling. And he liked her quirks and other stuff! Kristoff flat out finds her inconvenient and more annoying because he has to warn her about being so clueless. Like when she’s trying to hike the mountain, he literally warns her how ridiculous she’s being and is going to get herself killed. I don’t see how he falls for her quirks or recklessness. I’m sorry, but he even tries telling his stupid rock family she’s already engaged to a prince and they straight up IGNORE both of them and tried forcing them into a marriage right now! And Kristoff is the one who called them “love experts” Guess we can add liar to his personality.
@@kristinahuchison2511 I hated that Kristoff’s biggest interactions with Anna in the first movie are having a condescending attitude to her and negging her. I adore a good “Pride and Prejudice” style couple who roast each other but he negged on Anna in a way that kinda painted her as someone he saw as ignorant and a pain in the ass. Why highlight that he finds her to be annoying?
Make them share common interests or feel like they make up for something the other lacks emotionally. I dunno, something other than “it’s good cause couples snip and tease at each other!” They aren’t a couple yet so why don’t you try to sell the relationship to me?
Krisoff is one of my least favorite love interest characters, mainly because of how much Frozen wants to beat us over the head with "Anna and Kristoff aren't like those OTHER Disney couples" with Kristoff browbeating Anna for getting engaged in a day... only for his horrible troll family to decide for them that they should get MARRIED in a day... Also Kristoff is very bland, it just comes off as kinda gross (talking about him stinking and eating boogers, and eating the same carrots as his animal), quirky beauhunk that girlies can project into their own IRL boyfriends (since typically basic straight guys IRL talk about grossout jokes and neg-joke on their girlfriends). It's like they took Eugene (Eugene snarked on Rapunzel and had a touch of the grossout saying he liked that the Snuggly Duckling man-bar smelled like "the color brown") and tried to make him a roughneck but also downplay him (at least Eugene was an IMPORTANT character). I just like Kristoff much less than Eugene for some reason and I think it's cause Frozen is browbeating the audience with "subverting tropes" if he's not a subversion what else is there to him?
I'd like a movie with a less ironic male lead, like Eric, Naveen, Beast, Quasimodo, Philip, Aladdin, Hercules, Shang, Phoebus, and Tarzan (I guess John Smith too, even though he's very, very boring) just appeal to me more cause they're lovable and have great designs and their gimmick isn't, "quirky and kinda gross." It just makes me find Kristoff dull and repellant. Shrek can pull it off, he's Shrek. He's a lovable ogre... Kristoff? I dunno, I don't find it appealing coming from a pretty-boy who just exists to prop up Anna.
preach 💪
I did like Kristoff the most when I was into Frozen, probably because I found Anna annoying and Elsa was too “ice queen” for me. Didn’t grow up with any sisters, so maybe I just missed out on that aspect of the “sisterly bond” that was key to both of their characters.
Anyway, I liked Kristoff cause he was chill and a fun character, but in hindsight he really didn’t have much going for him. I think what soured him for me was at the end of the movie where he looks at Anna all nervous and asks to kiss her. Which… okay, I get this relationship still new and you’re not sure where you two are going, but it just came off as cringe to me. Especially when Anna makes the move and gives him her little smile afterwards. Don’t know why, but it just annoyed me 🤷♀
Like if Disney is trying to imply relationships take time to grow and develop, maybe not have two characters kiss when they barely know each other and had prior conversations about the “love at first sight” trope. A one armed hug from Kristoff would have been fine, but a clumsy question about kissing just didn’t do it for me.
john smith is actually a cool love interest for Pocahontas, but we got john wolfe in the second movie
@@viviennemorgan7217 unpopular opinion, I thought John Rolfe actually had somewhat cute chemistry with Pocahontas since he was awkward in a way that endeared me to him a bit more than perfect and put together John Smith had. I don’t think either were terrible though just a touch on the dull side, but neither movie was ever my favorite Disney movie.
@@Nightman221k oh really i didn't know that.
Kristoff’s problem is that he exists SOLELY for Anna. He doesn’t have much to him outside of that. Without Anna, he’s nothing. They even sang a whole catchy song about that in the second film.
It’s not a bad thing to be driven by your significant other… but the problem is that he’s not a character that feels like a living breathing person. He’s Anna’s accessory. Essentially Ken from the Disney brand.
Unlike Disney’s classics (including Tangled) whose target audience was FAMILIES, The frozen films are very much geared ONLY towards the female audience… so Kristoff is supposed to become an avatar for their ideal partner. Someone who lives, breathes, and dies for them. Can’t make a move without them. Always puts them first above all else. While that’s also not an inherently bad thing, it does heavily condemn Kristoff to eventually be forgotten, because again… he’s not really a character, he’s an accessory.
Kristoff is a strange dichotomy. He is both a man's fantasy and a woman's fantasy. The writers make him out to be this "less than ideal" smelly mountain man who is a bit rough on the edges. Clearly not a lady's first choice (according to conventional standards). His existence kinda pushes the tired-but-somewhat-true lesson of how we shouldn't judge appearances, but at the same time also pushes the popular trope of a man getting a woman who is "out of his league" despite her finding him generally unappealing (at first).
But he also is a "woman's fantasy" because he ends up changing for Anna and basing his entire existence around her. I mean, before he "fell in love" he had a personality. he was cynical, levelheaded, misanthropic, and resourceful. In the song, "reindeers are better than people" he outright says "reindeers are better than people" and "people will beat you, curse you, and cheat you" but all of that baggage disappears by the second act, when he falls for Anna. Now, he lives in a castle, wears stuffy clothes, and is called "Lord Kristoff." There's no way someone like Kristoff would enjoy that lifestyle.
Kristoff and anna are barely know each other
I like Kristoff from the first Frozen, but the way they degraded him in the second movie is very sad.
I like flynn better
I think in the first movie they should have just made Anna and Elsa and be the main focus and should have just made kristoff to be a friend to the princess
.And then in the second movie they can try to work on a relationship with kristoff and Anna
Princess Kristoff? LOL! You mean Princess Anna?
@@1992disney thanks you for the corrections I fixed it
@@mgmboy3778 You forgot to put Anna after Princess.
While I understand the Frozen franchise is meant to display familia more than romantic relationships, that doesn’t mean the romantic interest(s) should only have their lives and existence revolve around the relationship. One of the most common (though I would argue as weak) critiques against most movies with a male lead is how the female romantic interest is “bland, boring, and only seen to exist in relation to the man.”
In Frozen’s case, they did the same to Kristoff. Yes he has some interesting ideas and potential as a character, but the execution of the story pushes him aside in favor of Elsa and Anna so we never see him outside of being Anna’s love interest and a weird reindeer dude. We know he’s a reindeer guy (the “Reindeer’s are better than people” tune spells that out), a lovable dork, and would drop everything for Anna if needed. But that’s really about it. We don’t see him being on his own, expressing his own opinions, or just hanging around like an actual human being. He’s there for plot reasons and his story revolves around confessing his love to Anna, who is too hung up doing her own thing to pay attention to him.
It’s sad as there’s movies and shows that do let the love interests be their own character. The first to come to mind is Astrid from How to Train Your Dragon. Yes we do not get a lot of her personal backstory, but we honestly don’t need that from her. In the first movie, she represents to us the pinnacle of Viking-ness. Strong, fearless, focused, and willing to lay down her life for Berk. But, we also see in her interactions with Hiccup that she has an innate sense of justice and caring. She berates Hiccup partially because she dislikes his seemingly carefree attitude, but mainly because he doesn’t seem to be taking the dangers they face with the dragons constantly attacking them. “Is this some kind of game to you?! OUR parents’ war is about to become our own. Figure out what side you’re on.”
Though when she thinks he’s in danger when Toothless confronts them, she immediately tries to protect him even if she knows she doesn’t stand a chance. Despite all of that, Astrid is also capable of change when she lets Hiccup show her how the dragons aren’t the terrible enemies they grew up believing, and becomes Hiccup’s biggest supporter.
The movies and shows then expand on her character by giving her motivations and interests outside of her developing, romantic interest with Hiccup. She’s a weapons expert, a competent dragon rider, a bad cook (or at least, terrible with making drink concoctions), loyal to a fault, and not afraid to let her guard down around those she trusts. We see her and Hiccup together, and we also see her with other characters and even on her own. That doesn’t take away from Hiccup’s story (as that’s who HTTYD mainly follow), but actually enhances it because the world feels more alive when characters like Astrid are walking around and interacting in it.
When the two end up finally getting married and having kids, it’s less of a “gal settles down with her guy” thing and more of a “gal begins a new adventure with the guy she loves” thing.
Only cause it’s recent, but even the Trolls franchise does the romance aspect better. The first and second movie was definitely Poppy’s story with Branch tagging along, but there’s no way you could take him out without completely changing everything. There were hints of deeper feelings in the first one, and then confirmed in the second where Branch is struggling to confess to Poppy. Unlike Kristoff, though, confessing to Poppy is only a minor focus to Branch when they realize there’s a world stake’s issue at hand. His feelings for Poppy do get in the way of him making the best choices, but it also serves to display a character flaw Poppy needs to overcome in order to understand what she needs to do to make things better.
Poppy and Branch need each other to make the story happen, and both are better together than apart. Though like Hiccup and Astrid, they can function well on their own since they have distinct personalities that allow them to be their own character outside of their relationship. Not to mention that the 3rd movie really expanded on Branch’s backstory to where we can now look back on his previous actions and understand why him trusting and letting Poppy into his life is such a big deal. He’s not just Poppy’s former grumpy, gray companion who becomes her love interest because that’s what’s supposed to happen. He’s a character with his own story that merges with Poppy’s as the two grow and develop together.
Why didn’t Disney give Kristoff something like that? Some kind of backstory or a dream in life that gives insight into his character. Is he satisfied with being an ice harvester? Did he ever learn anything magical or interesting from his life living among the trolls? Has he ever thought about going on his own adventures? Is he a homebody by heart? Has he ever thought about settling down with a wife and raising a few kids?
Seriously, does he realize what he’s getting into by dating royalty like that? Will he have any actual responsibilities and be a good companion for Anna in that regard? Astrid knew being around Hiccup meant being the Chief’s wife once Stoick stepped down, and was more than up to the task of supporting him and giving a hand when she could. Even Branch has demonstrated how capable he is in keeping up with Poppy and helping her run the village.
But what skills does Kristoff have that can translate to being an effective royal companion? Maybe we’ll get some of that in the 3rd movie, but I highly doubt Disney will let a male character be good at something without first hitting us over the head that the female character has to tell him EXACTLY what to do first. I would love to see Kristoff succeeding in some aspects, like maybe people relations and local business matters, over Anna, but I can only see Disney making him an incompetent buffoon against Queen Anna’s natural ‘royalness’ (even though she has a LOT of problems to work out on her own).
what about trolls the beat goes on show, there are clear signs that branch has a crush on poppy, even though he has a crush on poppy in the second movie and they dated in trollstopia which i didn't know what happened until the third movie where branch got lifted off out of the ground by john dory aka leader of the band brozone and poppy said put my boyfriend down at gristle and bridget's wedding like spot on sister spot on.
@@viviennemorgan7217 Oh there for sure was mutual feelings being displayed on both sides in Trolls: The Beat Goes On. I can think of several episodes and scenes where Branch had obvious feelings for Poppy and where Poppy definitely also had something towards Branch. One of my favorite moments was when the Trollings they were telling TrollyTales to them teased so heavily about the pair were OBVIOUSLY harboring feelings for each other.
Not as much of their relationship was happening in Trollstopia, unfortunately, but they still obviously had something together.
I didn’t reference the series as much cause technically the shows aren’t cannon to the movies, and unlike HTTYD with the VA’s mostly reprising their character roles, the series and movies/special only have a few VA’s return, none of which include Poppy and Branch. So it’s a bit harder to carry that dynamic forward in the movies since Justin and Anna only have their movies and specials to draw from, while Skylar and Amanda can get away a bit more with the longer, slow build format the series provides.
But, I do personally like to tie the medias together so with fellow fans I will point to the series as evidence of a good friends to lovers example. That’s why I like how the 2nd movie handles Branch’s confession to Poppy as something that he wanted to do and cared about getting off his chest, but the filmmakers didn’t make it all he would do in the movie. Their high five and hand holding in the end was really sweet to establish they are starting a romantic relationship, and them calling each other boyfriend/girlfriend in the 3rd movie flows naturally from two people still navigating a new dynamic.
I also legit cheered in the 3rd movie when they kissed each other cause I’m a sucker for those two. Then Branch had me on the “small proposal” comment and I laughed at myself when Poppy said “join the band!” cause I remembered, “duh, they just got to the kissing stage, why would I expect them to get married right away.” I read that the director wants to have at least 7 or 8 Trolls movies and most of the staff are onboard and excited to keep the story going, so I just have to be patient for my Poppy and Branch wedding. 😋😍
@@jendoe9436 i hope that there's a short movie where branch and poppy got married or a new series with brozone and viva, but poppy was the one who kissed branch in the third movie
@@viviennemorgan7217 I can definitely see a short with Brozone and Viva adjusting to life in Troll Village, or maybe they’ll have a more connected series if they wanna explore the Put Put Trolls integrating back in and figuring out where to put Brozone. Bruce will stay on Vacay Island for sure cause of his family, but the others have options on where they can go.
If they went with a series route, then I’m hoping they bring in more of the Trollstopia genre integration AND explore Broppy a bit more. Mainly because I wanna see Branch take on more officially royal related duties and Poppy growing more as a Queen. Then the next movie can focus on the bigger adventure without having to lay out a bunch of relationship groundwork, kinda like what HTTYD did with Race to the Edge.
I can see a minor conflict with Branch working on a marriage proposal, but like the 2nd movie it will be integrated effectively. Then a later movie will include their wedding plus a short or movie with them adapting to marriage life. Probably a kid or two and then having a final family adventure before they end the franchise.
True, Poppy did make the first kiss move, but I’m okay with that as Branch made the relationship move and had worked through opening himself up more to her. Given everything that happened with his brothers, he definitely would have been thinking about other things and Poppy initiating the kiss was her way of telling him “I told ya I love you and wanna stay with ya, and here’s me making sure you know I mean it.” Plus, we all know his overthinking butt would have dragged that thing out 😅
That’s because Disney wants to give the illusion anna has some choice or variation but she gets together with some guy she barely knew! Disney just wants to beat their audience over the head saying. See? We have changed our movies with out changing it at all!!
I haven't seen the sequel, but based on what you described it kind of exemplifies a bigger issue of modern Disney, which is their weird and problematic misconception that "feminism = reversing toxic gender tropes". In this case, since we often see female characters that are reduced to "the male hero's love interest," they did the same thing with Hans and Anna but with reversed genders. Sorry Disney, that isn't feminism, that's just being shitty to men instead of being shitty to women. Like EVERY issue with Frozen, Tangled already did it in a better and more progressive way. Both Rapunzel and Eugene were deeply developed characters with intertwining arcs. I still can't wrap my head around how Frozen's romance was written AFTER Tangled came out. It's mind boggling.
Kristoff had more of a big brother vibe with Anna then a love interest plus he had more chemistry with that Ryder dude
I don’t hate Kristoff as a character or anything, but I find him the most boring of the blonde Disney “princes/heroes” because of how undeveloped he is. Imo the ONLY reason he’s in the movie is to show why Anna doesn’t end up with Hans (ignoring his villainy) I also found the trolls to be so annoying and only there to sell Anna and Kristoff as a couple. Unfortunately their “love” song actually did the opposite for me because its all about “not trying to change someone??” but instead accepting them as they truly are?? Since when was that an issue between Anna and Kristoff? I also felt so bad for how much he got sidelined in the sequel. All he does is struggle to propose to her and just unable to find the perfect moment to do it. Shouldn’t he be focused on their mission instead?? I’m really worried both 3 and 4 aren’t going to bother to give him a backstory and simply focus on Elsa like the first two.
Unpopular opinion, but I personally find John Smith to be a waay better example of a supportive boyfriend, considering he isn’t the “hero” in his movie. He makes a lot of sacrifices for both Pocahontas and her people but also his comrades. Even Phoebus is much more engaging as a character BECAUSE his mission isn’t to win Esmerelda’s love or anything, he wants to fight for the people of Paris and put an end to Frollo’s tyranny.
I personally find Kristoff just bland and not engaging in any way. All he does is constantly bail Anna out of danger because of how reckless she is. I seriously don’t understand why they fell in love when they spent a good chunk of the movie bickering and arguing. Like, all of a sudden they’re in love?? Sorry, but no. Hans was a waay better fit for Anna if Disney hadn’t forced him to be the villain
Phoebus and John are actually a bit underrated because they both learn to unplug the racism that they're learnt and fight for Esmeralda and Pocahontas's people. What does Kristoff do? He's really no different from the Prince Charming trope that this movie hates so much. Eugene/ Flynn Rider is a better character and he was an actual criminal.
@@Capydapy yep! I’m personally am not really into Phoebus, but I feel bad for how much hate he gets simply for being in love with Esmerelda. John Smith on the other hand is kinda a mess. Its a combination of factors as to why not a lot of people like him as a character. Main reason is simply Mel Gibson (which is stupid considering none of the other characters have this problem) but another huge reason is because he’s based on an awful man in reality. So he gets so much crap for what his real life counterpart did to Pocahontas and her people. Which sucks considering how much he changes in the movie to the point he almost dies saving her father from being killed. Personally I’m frustrated and appalled Kristoff is much more popular than both combined. Kristoff literally doesn’t have a personality aside being a pessimistic grouch who only chooses to help Anna to get his supplies restored. That was actually supposed to be in the movie, he says he’s only helping her to get his sled replaced. I just don’t understand how they fell in love when Anna was so willing to marry Hans, and she and Kristoff literally argued for like half the movie!
I love John smith the fictions Disney version not the real life guy. ( f him) and Phoebus you could tell he had the hots for Esmerelda but she didn’t trust him because he was a soilder for frollo. Then she sees how legitimately is as a person. He rather do the moral thing then follow orders and he was almost killed for disobedience.
He was never racist he was just a solider with morals. He didn’t care about skin color or differences. He was a foil to frollo.
@@whitedragoness23 yep! John Smith was actually my favorite Disney prince for a long time until Flynn came. I do enjoy Aladdin too, but not as fondly, mainly because he lies for nearly the entire movie just to impress a girl. Anyways, I think John gets waay too much hate nowadays, to the point a lot of times Pocahontas is merchandised by herself and he’s more like a “good friend” instead of her lover. Which is a huge slap in the face when you consider Pocahontas wouldn’t have grown as a person if she hadn’t met him. Like, a lot of people like Beast as a character, and he f*cking roars at Belle for like half the movie until she finally snapped at him to clean up his nasty temper if he truly wanted to be her friend, let alone fall in love. Its sad how Pocahontas as a movie hasn’t aged well for a lot of people just because it’s based on a very sad and tragic true event. Everyone’s constantly b*tching about what Pocahontas isn’t instead of appreciating the messages it’s trying to teach, to not judge a person by their appearance or differences, but ultimately people can change. I’ve literally had someone who said they don’t like Poca and John as a couple because “Pocahontas literally has to teach him through a song not to be racist” and while I get that, a LOT of people forget this is literally how Europeans viewed dark skinned people (or weren’t from their country, Europeans and other ethnicities were racist against each other, like Japanese with Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, etc) This is how John was raised, and he changes his beliefs almost immediately. Aladdin literally takes the entire d*mn movie to finally stop lying and understanding how much of a mess he could’ve avoided if he just told Jasmine the truth.
Sorry for that mini rant, but the point is John gets waay too much hate for being based on a bad person while characters with very similar problems don’t get the living crap beaten out of them. I’m not joking, Phoebus is a complete *ss in the book, and he doesn’t get as much crap. Same for Hercules, considering he KILLS Meg in the mythology (entire movie completely lied about so many things) but their movies are more beloved and praised than Pocahontas, which has been compared to embarrassments like Chicken Little or Home on the Range. Aladdin is literally stuffed with Middle Eastern stereotypes and isn’t berated for being like that. Just gets sick after a while of every other movie (including true story movies like Balto and Anastasia) getting away with fictionalizing/sugarcoating the original stories, but Pocahontas basically became the punching bag for “inaccuracy to the original story” I legit have several friends of Native American descent who love the movie and don’t care about the real story of Pocahontas. If anything, a lot of people complained about Esmerelda being a negative Romani stereotype because of how she’s portrayed in the movie. Pocahontas was the one who actually got the VIP treatment and extensive research into the Powhatan tribe and culture. Its not like Disney pulled a bunch of Native American stereotypes out of their a**es and called it a day.
@@kristinahuchison2511 that’s because society loves to $hit on women. I kid you not, too kind and gentle? Change her! Too strong and warrior like! Change her! Not beautiful enough?! Change her! No matter what a Disney Princess can’t win!
That’s a good explanation of Kristoff, of why he is a boring character. Like why didn’t the other ice man question him on where is his parents are? And the trolls should be the villains in the first movie, like at first I’m not sure but you made me second thought that. After seeing what the trolls do in mythology, that would be a villain. And like I said before (or at least something like that) the trolls should know that, you shouldn’t marry someone you just met. Aren’t they supposed to be love experts and they completely ruin it when Kristoff ask for help. The writers could of showed us a flashback to his past or at least telling them about his parents. But no, his only goal was to proposed to Anna that’s it.
Looking at the original plans for the film it's clear that Kristoff and Hans were either meant to be the same character or Kristoff was just added to be a love interest (which is kinda funny when you remember how this film treats early Disney romances).
I've read somewhere that he's meant to be a counterpart of the Robber Girl from the original story but the only thing they have in common is a pet reindeer.
And remind me how much does ana have in common with gerda again?
Oh right.
@@lahlybird895 She's a young kind hearted if naive girl that goes on a dangerous journey to save a love one who is locked away at a ice castle and ultimately saves the day through the power of love. She's also a gender swapped Kai, but the inspiration is clearly there.
@@wingedyaga2914 you know what's funny about that is that they're actually is a character named Kai in frozen
@@lahlybird895 Yeah two servants are named after the original protagonists.
@@wingedyaga2914 oh, there's a gerda too
I'll never forget how everyone felt like him and Ryder had more chemistry than Kristoff and Anna did in Frozen 2 😂
*_THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FELT WHEN I WAS WATCHING FROZEN 2! WHEN I GOT TO THE SCENE WHERE ANNA SAYS, "WAIT, WHERE ARE KRISTOFF AND SVEN?!?!" AND OLAF TELLS HER, "OH, I THINK THEY TOOK OFF WITH THAT RYDER GUY AND A BUNCH OF OTHER REINDEERS!!!!" "THEY LEFT?!?!" ANNA YELLS. "THEY JUST LEFT, WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING?!?!" "WHO KNOWS THE WAYS OF MEN!!!!" OLAF REPLIES. AND THEN CAME THIS OTHER SCENE WHERE KRISTOFF STANDS ON TWO ROCKS, AND SAYS, "EVERYONE READY?!?!" AND THEN RYDER STARTS TO TALK FOR HIS REINDEERS, "READY!" "UM, I COULD USE A REHEARSAL!" AND THEN KRISTOFF SAYS, "WAIT, YOU TALK FOR THEM, TOO?!?!" "YES, I DO!!!!" RYDER SAYS. "IT'S LIKE YOU CAN ACTUALLY HEAR WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!" KRISTOFF SAYS. "RIGHT, AND THEN, YOU JUST SAY IT!!!!" RYDER REPLIES. "AND THEN YOU JUST SAY IT!!!!" KRISTOFF SAYS. AND THEN, YELENA REJECTS KRISTOFF'S PROPOSAL AND SAYS, "THE PRINCESS HAS LEFT WITH THE QUEEN!!!!" "WHAT?!?!" KRISTOFF FREAKS OUT. "YEAH, I WOULDN'T TRY TO FOLLOW!!!! THEY ARE LONG GONE!!!!" YELENA TELLS HIM. "LONG GONE!!!!" KRISTOFF SHOUTS. "SO.... YEAH, BUT WE'RE HEADING TO THE LICHEN MEADOWS, AND YOU CAN COME WITH US IF YOU WANT." AND THEN SHE LEAVES. RYDER TELLS KRISTOFF, "HEY, I AM SORRY ABOUT THAT!!!! BUT I BETTER GET PACKING!!!! ARE YOU COMING WITH US?!?!" AND THEN KRISTOFF REPLIES, "YES, I AM COMING!!!!" "DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING?!?!" RYDER ASKS. "YES, I KNOW MY WAY AROUND THE WOODS," KRISTOFF REPLIES. (BTW, IT'S WEIRD HOW HE STARTED TO SING "LOST IN THE WOODS" EVEN THOUGH HE JUST TOLD RYDER, "I KNOW MY WAY AROUND THE WOODS!!!!" LOL🤣😂!!!!) ANYWAY, KRISTOFF SHOULD DEFINITELY BE WITH RYDER NATTURA INSTEAD OF WITH ANNA!!!! THEY HAVE A LOT MORE IN COMMON, LIKE THEY BOTH LOVE REINDEERS AND EVEN TALK FOR THEM, TOO!!!! ANNA AND KRISTOFF LITERALLY HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON!!!! I MEAN, ANNA WAS BORN A ROYAL PRINCESS AND EVEN BECAME QUEEN AT THE END OF FROZEN 2!!!! BUT KRISTOFF, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS A FREAKING BUM AND A COMMONER WHO EATS HIS OWN BOOGERS AND PICKS HIS OWN NOSE, CLAIMING THAT ALL MEN DO IT, HE DOES UNNATURAL THINGS WITH HIS PET REINDEER, SVEN, LIKE SHARING CARROTS WITH HIM!!!! HE'LL NEVER, EVER BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ANNA, EVER!!!! SHE DOES NOT NEED HIM!!!! SHE DESERVES BETTER THAN HIM!!!! AND JUST HEAR ME OUT, WHAT IF, IN FROZEN 2, ANNA HAS HAD ENOUGH OF KRISTOFF BECAUSE HE LITERALLY DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR HER OTHER THAN EAT, SLEEP, LIVE IN THE CASTLE FOR FREE, AND WATCH POOR ANNA SUFFER AS SHE STRUGGLES TO TAKE ON HER ROLE AS THE NEW QUEEN OF ARENDELLE, SO SHE IMMEDIATELY BREAKS OFF HER ENGAGEMENT, RETURNS HER RING, AND DEMANDS KRISTOFF AND SVEN TO IMMEDIATELY PACK THEIR BAGS, AND LEAVE ARENDELLE CASTLE AT ONCE, AND IF THEY REFUSE TO LEAVE, THEN SHE'LL DEMAND HER GUARDS TO KICK THEM OUT, LEAVING KRISTOFF BROKENHEARTED💔, SAD, AND LONELY. BUT THEN, RYDER COMES ALONG AND ADMITS THAT HE HAS BEEN IN LOVE WITH KRISTOFF FROM THE MOMENT THAT THEY MET, AND THEN, THE TWO BECOME A COUPLE. BUT THEN AGAIN, THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER THEORY THAT ELSA WILL FALL IN LOVE WITH HONEYMAREN IN FROZEN 3, AND IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, THEN I DON'T THINK HONEYMAREN WOULD BE HAPPY IF RYDER GOT WITH ANNA'S EX-FIANCE, BECAUSE ANNA IS ELSA'S BELOVED YOUNGER SISTER AND LITERALLY THE CLOSEST PERSON TO HER._*
I don't know Norwegian folklore but trolls are very diverse group of beings in Sweden. They could be all sizes from pixie size to giants, could live in many different environments and could be either mostly evil or helpfully friendly but mostly neutral. Or at least that was what I was told growing up. Some just look identical to normal people just like real internet trolls!
In Iceland, trolls are said to be human-sized. Our 13 Santa Clauses (or Yule Lads) are all trolls, for example.
It depends what frozen movie you’re taking about bc in the first one I actually like him but in the second yeah he is useless. Inferior to naveen, Flynn and Aladdin.
Ever since this movie came out, people have given it very unwarranted praise. None of its plot points were well thought out.
I always recalled Kristoff being bland, boring, and the lovable idiot character trope that should of been executed better. Him being kind hearted, a reindeer lover, and an ice cutter are surface leveled traits that doesn't make me feel anything substantial. Thus, I tend to forget about his name and can't get behind him going out with Ana. Ana's main ordeal was with her sister's relationship seemingly falling before her and she seemed much more invested in that than getting wooed by Kristoff. Kristoff was under utilized and didn't have any flaws that created tension with Ana nor a plausible reason for him to be in the film beyond helping Ana and facing Marshmallow.
Flynn's shrewdness and selfish behavior caused him to hide his true identity and endangers the socially illiterate Rapunzel and Beast's cruelty and isolation creating tension between Bell, which enabled her to humble and teach him genuine kindness made their relationships fun and believable. Kristoff didn't provide any entertainment because of this which makes him too safe and even unbelievable to me.
I mean I personally think his arrogance is a character flaw that causes conflict, but that could just be me
@@lahlybird895 sure his arrogance causes him to argue with Ana, but it's nothing that hasn't been done already. Hence, I thought it wasn't enough to actually seem human nor build their relationship in a way that feels consistent.
@@odindarkll3706 true, although they did nearly fall off a cliff because of it so it's slightly more than just a small detail. Also I think he does more than just talked to reindeer, in the first movie anyway he uses his connection with his reindeer to basically stimulate both his conscience and his insecurities
@@lahlybird895 I will say that Sven is one of the only characters whom actually plays off of Kristoff well, but it only solidifies the fact that he was under utilized. Sven was also the only one that was around him since the very beginning and was very believable that they would have a bond together. Meanwhile, Kristoff barely knows Ana and becomes a couple with her during the second film apparently, although I didn't watch Frozen 2 at all.
Rapunzel isn't illiterate? She talks about reading in her song.
I kinda like the alternate character interpretation that the trolls use their powers to rewrite Hans’ mind, making him forget about his feelings for Anna, so he’d dump her and she’d end up with Kristoff. Since literally the first thing they do upon finding out she has a fiancé already is plot to get rid of him. But since Anna was being frozen this petty shipping behavior almost costs her her life.
Speaking of shipping I’d thought it would make sense for him to leave Anna for the Sami reindeer herder, since they have far more in common than he has with Anna.
Yeah, especially after Anna unprompted accused him of ... Wanting to be with someone else and then ignored him well she proceeded to go after her sister
@@lahlybird895 *_OF COURSE ANNA WOULD GO AFTER HER SISTER BECAUSE SHE LOVES ELSA MORE THAN KRISTOFF, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FROZEN FRANCHISE IS TO TEACH US THAT LOVE SHOULD BY ALL MEANS NEVER BE ROMANTIC BECAUSE THE TRUEST AND STRONGEST LOVE IS WITH YOUR SISTER!!!! FROZEN AND FROZEN 2 FOCUS ON ELSA AND ANNA'S LOVE, NOT ANNA AND KRISTOFF'S LOVE!!!! IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE PRODUCERS HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH HIM IN FROZEN 2, SO THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST SCRAPPED OUT HIM FROM THE FILM COMPLETELY!!!! THEY BETTER NOT GIVE HIM A BACKSTORY IN FROZEN 3, BECAUSE IF THEY DO, IT WILL GO AGAINST THE THEME OF SISTERLY LOVE THAT THIS FRANCHISE IS SUPPOSED TO TEACH US AND IT WILL END UP RUINING THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE COMPLETELY!!!! I REALLY HOPE THAT ANNA BREAKS OFF HER ENGAGEMENT IN FROZEN 3 BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS BEST FOR HER AND IT WILL ACTUALLY BETTER THE FRANCHISE, ALWAYS PRIOITIZING SISTERLY LOVE OVER PATHETIC, DISGUSTING 🤢 AND GROSS ROMANCE AND UPHOLDING THE LESSON THAT LOVE SHOULD NEVER, EVER BE ROMANTIC!!!! BREAK UP ANNA AND KRISTOFF AND THEN, THE FROZEN FRANCHISE WILL BE GOOD TO GO!!!! AND ALSO, SOMETHING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS THAT PEOPLE KEEP COMPLAINING THAT DISNEY SHOULD'VE GONE WITH MAKING THE STARBOY ASHA'S PARTNER INSTEAD OF DELETING HIM COMPLETELY FROM THE FILM WISH AND USING AN ACTUAL STAR. WELL, THEY ALSO CRITICIZE COUPLES LIKE SNOW WHITE AND PRINCE FERDINAND, CINDERELLA AND PRINCE CHARMING, AURORA AND PRINCE PHILIP, ARIEL AND ERIC, BELLE AND THE BEAST, JASMINE AND ALADDIN, ETC., AND YES, I ALSO HATE THESE COUPLES AND THINK THAT THEY ARE BAD, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I AM GLAD THAT DISNEY FINALLY STOPPED GIVING THEIR HEROINES LOVE INTERESTS AND WHY THEY DELETED STARBOY FROM WISH AND REPLACED HIM WITH AN ACTUAL STAR, LIKE PEOPLE HAD A PROBLEM WITH DISNEY PUTTING ROMANCE IN THEIR MOVIES, I GET IT, I GET IT, BUT NOW THAT THEY HAVE PUT AN END TO ALL THIS ROMANCE CRAP, PEOPLE ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?!?! THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO LIFE THAN JUST FINDING A ROMANTIC PARTNER AND THEN SPENDING THE REST OF YOUR LIFE WITH THEM!!!! ROMANCE IS NOT EVERYTHING, AND THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND IT!!!!_*
@@arshia_rashel2124 I think you might have misunderstood the theme but then again you seem to have some serious issues so that doesn't seem too surprising
Frozen is one those cases of "less is more". The more sequels and information we get about the Frozen universe the less I like it. It's like the took the absolute worst answer to any question we might of had about the first movie and decided to make shorts and movies with it. The worst of it was the entire first movie was about loving relationship between sisters... and then the second movie says their adopted and they basically split up.
Well, a lot of fans were asking how a Princess from a non-magic wielding family like Elsa got her ice powers in the first place considering none of the characters, even King Agnarr, knew how Elsa inexplicably acquired ice powers. When Grand Pappie asks him whether Elsa was born or cursed with her ice powers, he says “born”, like someone who saw their child born with strange powers and had no idea why they had said powers. Part of the motivation of making the sequel was explaining Elsa’s ice powers and how she got it. Heck, Kung Fu Panda 2 goes into a backstory of how Mr. Ping adopted Po since a lot of fans were asking the question: “Why Is Po’s Dad a Goose and Not a Panda?” So, why not have the sequel also explain a fan question? 🤷♂️
@@hunterolaughlin I suppose the question itself isn't so bad, but the answer shouldn't detract from what we already knew. In Kung Fu Panda 2 his family back story did not suddenly ruin every thing. He wasn't wasn't from a long line of mystical Panda warriors and destined for greatness, making his previous hero journey worthless.
Instead the panda's were horrible at fighting till Po taught them how to stand up for themselves. I think a better excuse for Elsa would of been magic. Perhaps the Royal couple couldn't conceive and went to the trolls for help...
They called on the spirits and it being winter she got that power. Sort of a sacrifice for the reward you often see in such magic deals in Fairy Tales. It would also give another nudge to the Trolls often causing more trouble when they try to help.
Kristoff is annoying, because this movie tries so hard to "fix" problems from the older movies, but he's just gets awarded with Anna because he's not a jerk, like Anna was a prize or a award. Also, yeah, fuck the trolls.
I always felt Kristoff was an unnecessary add on. Because he is effectively just the taxi driver who’s there to get her from A to B.
A better character to use would have been the shop guy she first met who could have been a caring big uncle type to her.
Who could’ve advised her about love based on his own life experiences and would be a nice different archetype that we never see really.
Also without him it adds tension towards the end more with Hans. Because then what can she do if no one is there to proclaim romantic true love. Ups the stakes and keeps the audience guessing.
I think without him overall it we could have more room to build Anna and Elsa’s relationship as sisters.
Also without him we would have stuck to one of the original themes. Not to fall in love with someone too fast, which sadly is shot down by her getting with him at the end anyway.
I don’t hate him, but I think in a lot of ways the story would have been stronger without him.
I was really disappointed that Kristoff didn't interact much with the other Sami and that the Sami tribe look very homogenous. It's obviously the direct respond from the "controversy" of these zealous ignorant activists who don't know who the Sami are other than they are indigenous people and suggest that all indigenous people must be the same of not being European.
There are plenty of indigenous European ethnicities such as the Basques and the Irish wanderers. There was even more during the ancient times where most of Europe was indigenous but they were all still just Europeans (most slavs, celts and germanic people was indigenous back then). Indigenous is just a sociopolitical description of a group being oppressed throughout history and they all don't need to have specific features different from the dominant group.
The Sami are very diverse people with many appearances but most of them look indifferent from other Europeans. Some may have few asiatic features due to the cold climate and an asiatic immigration event happening around early iron age that introduced the Uralic language but there was already people living there so the actual asiatic influences on the overall genome are still very minor with few population have almost 1/4 only at the highest. There are also quite many other non-Sami Nordic people with asiatic-like appearances too such as slightly slitted eyes and puffy cheeks which could just be for the cold environment. There are many Sami who also lack these features as they are very diverse.
Haplogroup don't represent much on the actual genome and are only useful to trace only a few migrations through one line. The asiatic haplogroup N don't show up much in Hungary but are also dominant in the non-Uralic Baltic countries too. Because that tiny part is almost unchangeable, it's easy to become dominate and be dominated by chance.
I also really wanted to know Kristoff's background and what his family and tribe think of him suddenly disappeared like that. I really wonder if they are still worried and searching for him.
I think it would have worked if they had made one of the ice harvesters in the opening scene Kristoff's father. This way we'd know why he also became an ice harvester and wears the same clothes as the other men did.
Glad someone else has made the same observation and it needs to be stated more often because this has been driving me crazy since I first watched Frozen II. Klaus did the Sami more justice, I think.
It's so obvious that they wrote their setting to be California 2.0. 🙄
That's all these modern content creators (because I refuse to call them artists) know how to do. There's no real regard for the local cultures, even these movies' music mostly sounds like generic pop numbers instead of something appropriately ethnic to Norway. It annoys me that this trend is becoming prevalent.
I think he worked in first movie. But they really did him dirty in the sequel. What the hell was that "character arc"? It was worse then women in elder movies.
The original idea with him loving Anna, but not fitting the world of the princess's suitor... that was interesting! But yeah, we have very little time, so sheniginangs it is!
disney, as showed in tarzan and the jungle book, can make orphan boys raised by non humans, disney should have done it better by this 3rd moment disney featured this trope. even barbie with the island princess film did better.
Man I really hate the trolls, they ruin so much of the film for me honestly.
I think they should have made one of the ice harvesters in the opening scene Kristoff's father.
Eugene is easily the best love interest character
Facts!
*_I HAVE TO BE REAL WITH YOU, RAPUNZEL AND EUGENE ARE THE ONLY DISNEY COUPLE I ACTUALLY LIKE. ALL OTHER DISNEY COUPLES ARE GARBAGE, INCLUDING ANNA AND KRISTOFF!!!! IN FACT, THEY ARE LITERALLY THE WORST DISNEY COUPLE OF ALL TIME!!!! AND I FOREVER STAND BY THAT!!!! ANNA MAY NOT BE BLIND IN HER LOVE FOR HIM, BUT HE'S BLIND IN HIS LOVE FOR HER!!!! DID ANYONE EVER THINK ABOUT THAT?!?!_*
omg i haven't even started this video but I'm so excited. Not to be overdramatic but I pretty much consider the inclusion of Kristoff's character in the final cut of Frozen to be THE event that started Disney's downfall in writing quality.
I agree with you
Maybe they should’ve made kristoff the main character
Disney making a white man a main character in this day and age? Unthinkable!
@@IAmTheEagleHTM What does this have to do with race?
He was such a minor presence in the film that it would have changed EVERYTHING about the movie to elevate his role. I'm not crazy about him but I don't think that's the solution.
I just wanted to write a thought that's all...
I mean in the original Snow Queen story Kai and Gherda are both the main characters. So yes, he should have been a main character. But for that to work, Elsa would have had to be the villain and they scrapped that idea.
Hans should have been the love interest. Kristoff shouldn't have existed. Elsa should have been a villain. Keep it true to the source material. Frozen 2 is an abomination and a shameless cash grab that shouldn't exist.
This channel is such a terapy for me like... Godness is do good to find a olace that doesn't like Frozen and actually points out all the structural problems in this movie. Like the writing is just, so, so, so, so terrible. Ot does less than the bare minimum and people love it because the animation is good and the music is alright.
Well Moana and tangled had good animation and good songs and they only made half a billion.
Kistof went from a loner, competent mountaineer to a sidekick simp. But it isn't just Kristy that got bleached into a dumb dumb in this modern Disney fairytale, it happens to all male characters.
Matt is just a black token to get a box checked. A soldier who's bragging about duty but always disappears when shits hit the fan, only showed up near the ending before our second-rate heroine decided to, well.., drown everybody's homes. He went into the woods on duty as the prince's bodyguard but he thought he's on vacation, enjoying the tribal show instead of keeping his eyes on his charge, resulting in the prince nearly getting killed. He's an incompetent but sly opportunist.
Kristy is hellbent on getting the princess to marry him, trying to propose anywhere anytime possible. Despite knowing the danger of the journey his girlfriend is about to take, he accompanying her arming himself with only... a wedding ring. He's about to inherited half the asset of the queen yet on her big day/ceremony, he told his girlfriend/queen he'll be giving his time for her only one hour. He a friggin selfish ass.
The old king Runeard...is a bit problematic. We only know about this guy through his son Agnarr, which isn't much by the way. The rest we known through the magic ice cave which is pretty much words from his opposition that could even be considered an accusation from a disputed party. What we can be certain about is Runeard spent vast amount of resource and manpower to build a dam that tally it's mass exceeding everything in his kingdom combined for no benefit whatsover. He's a stupid douchebag.
And king Agnarr, the girl's father. Barely anything about this guy. And credit to the story, we can't even be sure there is any of his genetic material in his firstborn daughter since she is now clearly not human and has nothing in her life related to him other than growing up in his house. The only thing we can be sure is that he brought his wife and the entire crew of his ship to a fruitless attempt to do something stupid and got everybody killed. He's an idiot.
Yeah
It is totally only man and not females at all.
Iduna is so much better and developed than agnar, and Anna is an absolute genius!
@@lahlybird895Don't pay much attention to him, these types of men these days are doing everything they can to victimize themselves when it comes to male characters in films where women play the main role. They act as if the same problems haven't happened for years with female characters and they still continue to happen.
@@hauralins yeah I got that then again women do the exact same thing like when they complain about fringing even though it happens to male characters all the time and no one gets mad about it, but if it happens to a female character it's bad writing and the author is probably sexist.
tbh, i only remember kristoff because of a +18 comic i was reading in wich he randomly appear. its sad because he could have been a good character, heres my idea in how he could have been better:
At the beginning we see Kristoff working with those men removing ice. That show us that since he was little, Kristoff has had to work a lot, since that work is not very easy, rather it seems incredibly exhausting, to be able to get a plate of food. We already have a trait, Kristoff has had a difficult life and has managed to have a foundation thanks to his work. A time jump is made, when Elsa escapes and that ice begins to spread. We are shown that Kristoff is not an isolated person, he does not live with the stone dwarves, but rather near a village where he is friends with everyone, and he has a store where he sells ice, but because of the frost no one buys from him anymore because there's ice everywhere, so now he is pretty poor, again. There he meets Anna, and realizes that she is a princess, a person who has had everything served on a silver platter for her entire life, a privileged person who has not had to work a single day in her life to be able to live comfortably. That makes him generate hatred towards her, since she is his opposite, a privileged woman versus a poor, hard-working man. There they make a deal, he helps her look for Elsa, she promises that the castle will only buy ice from him, so if Kristoff helps her, s
he will no longer have to worry about money and will finally be able to live comfortably. They begin the journey and, just like the movie, they begin to fall in love.
Anna tells him about her life full of luxuries but lonelyness, contrasting with his poor life but warm because of all the friends he has. Anna teaches him to be more relaxed and to take life calmly and enjoy it, because Kristoff always has needed to work he does not know how to relax, while Kristoff teaches Anna not to judge people by their economic level and gives her lessons in life that he has learned being poor. In the end, they fall in love, they meet the stone people who notice that there is a special bond between them and try to get them married, interrupting the wedding because of Anna's hair and the story continues the same as the movie.
it would still be a pretty generic romantic plot,but i think he would be more remembered and had more character development.
*_THIS GOING TO CHANGE IN FROZEN 3, NOW THAT ANNA IS THE NEW QUEEN OF ARENDELLE!!!! YEAH, SHE'LL OBVIOUSLY STILL HAVE HER COMFORT AND LUXURIES, EVEN MORE NOW THAT SHE'S THE RULER, BUT WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY!!!! SHE WILL BE UNDER SO MUCH PRESSURE IN FROZEN 3, BECOMING QUEEN AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE AND RULING AN ENTIRE KINGDOM ALL BY HERSELF, ALSO I DON'T THINK SHE RECEIVED AS MUCH TRAINING AS HER BELOVED OLDER SISTER, ELSA, SO IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY HARD FOR HER. SHE WILL HAVE TO WORK DAY AND NIGHT, DAY AND NIGHT, AND SHE PROBABLY WILL NOT EVEN HAVE TIME TO PLAY CHARADES ANYMORE!!!! AT LEAST HER BELOVED OLDER SISTER, ELSA, WILL BE ABLE TO HELP HER, BECAUSE SHE HAS LITERALLY BEEN RULING OVER ARENDELLE FOR THREE YEARS BEFORE DISCOVERING HER ROLE AS THE FIFTH SPIRIT AND ABDICATING THE THRONE IN FAVOUR OF HER LITTLE SISTER!!!! BUT MEANWHILE, KRISTOFF, ON THE OTHER HAND, WILL BE DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, OTHER THAN EATING, SLEEPING, LOUNGING AROUND THE CASTLE, AND WATCHING POOR ANNA SUFFER!!!! SO YEAH, HE USED TO BE VERY HARDWORKING, BUT NOT ANYMORE!!!!_*
You ought to do a Why Anna Is A Bad Character video next.
Seconding. It's so obvious that she's Lee's mouthpiece/self-insert-which has clearly been detrimental toward the character's development and the overall writing quality of this franchise.
@@AnimaVox_ Oh hey. Didn't expect to see you here not long after first replying to you from WDWPro's video on Jennifer Lee ruining Disney Animation Studios. And what you said makes a lot of sense. Anna's such a stupid, immature, and even selfish twit who's highly-incapable of listening, has no common sense nor even a sense of danger whatsoever, and never learns, grows, and changes as a person by the end of both Frozen movies. Yet like Elsa, the whole world including Disney themselves keep making her out to be a "strong, empowering, and relatable" female character and a "positive" influence and role model to both girls and women everywhere.
@@AnimaVox_ Aldone just uploaded the Anna character video today and unfortunately, it's the opposite. And it really shouldn't be a surprise considering the fact that he uploaded a video praising the Frozen franchise two weeks ago, despite previously uploading many videos criticizing the same IP.
I’m so glad people are finally assessing Frozen critically because I thought it was cute but nothing special. I’ve never understood the hype for this movie because I’ve always felt nothing could top the sisterly relationship in Lilo and Stitch. No hate if Frozen is your favorite Disney movie but I personally don’t get it.
What about Brother Bear or Encanto though?
@@kristinahuchison2511 Brother Bear isn’t a sisterly relationship…and Encanto is the whole family. But they’re also great! I still think Lilo and Stitch is the best representation of realistic and loving sisters.
The "get out" had "go away now" energy
Like Elsa, I do plan to fix every character in one of my projects. I’m pretty sure that if Disney weren’t copyright crazy, I’m sure that fans could make better alliterations of every Frozen character much like with Sonic.
I really HATE “Lost in the Woods”! It’s just some cheesy pop song
Same it makes me cringe hard omg .. I thought it was some kind of parody when i heard it for the first time, like it's so bad 😭 I can't believe some ppl picked it as their fave song from the movie 😀
*_THEN DISNEY BETTER NOT GIVE ANNA AND KRISTOFF A DUET IN FROZEN 3, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WILL BE FAR WORSE THAN "LOST IN THE WOODS" AND DEFINITELY NOT AS GOOD AS "LOVE IS AN OPEN DOOR". MAYBE "LOST IN THE WOODS" WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER AS A VILLAIN SONG, I MEAN HANS WAS THE VILLAIN OF THE FIRST MOVIE, AND BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO EXCLUDE HIM FROM FROZEN 2, WHY NOT MAKE KRISTOFF THE VILLAIN OF THE SECOND MOVIE?!?! ALSO, IT WAS WEIRD THAT KRISTOFF WOULD KEEP ON SAYING THAT HE IS "LOST IN THE WOODS" RIGHT AFTER HE JUST TOLD RYDER THAT HE KNEW HIS WAY AROUND THE WOODS, LIKE, FIVE SECONDS AGO. LOL. 🤣😂_*
I trust Mulan, Cinderella, and even Megara to rule the kingdom of Arendelle before I trust Anna or Elsa to run it. Other than Anna being an annoying character, thats the one thing I never really liked about this story of "Frozen". The original characters werent even royalty in the original story.
Yeah definitely nothing Royal at all about THE SNOW QUEEN
@@lahlybird895 Well, she was originally the bad guy lol, I meant to say protagonists weren't royal lol
@@torytellstales I mean there is a pair of Royal doppelgangers who helped them out so maybe they mixed up the four of them together
@@lahlybird895 Oh man, I'm out of touch with my fairytales it seems. I'm going to reread the Snow Queen now lol
@@torytellstales oop, have fun
He was a nothing character in the first one, so I expected this going into the sequel. There's not much to the character. He was only there to say that Anna was crazy for marrying a guy she just met, and sometimes save her.
I have to admit though, Kristoff looks really good with his hair slicked back.
I thought he looked like a used cars saleman
He is just Ken
at least ken rules barbieland now🤣😂😹.
But not Kenough
Ken if he is even more useless
kristoff and anna aren't like eugene and Rapunzel, if you look at eugene fitzherbert, he's trying to get rapunzel out of the tower in tangled and letting her go outside for the first time thanks gothel for that and we got the series for that as well.
that's what i like about eugene and rapunzel.
This kind of highlights another issue with a lot of modern Disney movies - the story's lack of urgency and the presence of an implied status quo. In Tangled, if the inciting incident (Flynn stumbling upon Rapunzel in the tower) never happens, then the kingdom will continue to be sad and Rapunzel will still be trapped.
In movies like Frozen, Wish, Encanto, and more, it feels more like a TV show where even though there is technically some form of conflict, there isn't a major consequence for the conflict remaining unaddressed, and also the goal of the conflict is to get everything "back to normal" or as close to it as possible. It's so safe and boring.
@@DSS712 dude tangled got a series, if rapunzel was stuck in the tower all alone with no one but her and pascal, she will never experience what it's like to be free but the series fleshed out eugene and rapunzel's relationship and the ugency andv status quo don't make any sense in tangled.
@@viviennemorgan7217 sorry i think you misunderstood. Im saying that tangled's story is more compelling and urgent BECAUSE there is no status quo. The story starts and ends with the characters in much different circumstances from when the story began. Frozen is boring because the story starts with them being princesses in a stable kingdom and ends with them being princesses in a stable kingdom. On top of that, the little stakes that do exist in Frozen's plot have nothing to do with Kristoff, and he could essentially be removed from the movie without any of the central conflicts being affected. All in all its just such a "nothing" movie.
@@DSS712 nah you misunderstood .
I skipped his song in Frozen 2 because it was too cringy and unnecessary
I’m curios on your thoughts of Disney’s original live action projects that aren’t remakes or pre established franchises like Marvel and Star Wars. Films like Mary Poppins, Enchanted, Race to Witch Mountain, The Pirates of the Caribbean movies, Remember the Titans, The original Haunted Mansion, Treasure Island, Old Yeller, National Treasure, George of the Jungle, Sky High, Holes, and the first two Chronicles of Narnia films.
I thought he was so mysterious & enticing especially in the first half of the first movie, but then he became completely uninteresting🙄
So I was gonna take notes for a Frozen 2 rewrite fic but after watching this video, now I came out feeling confident with how I written his relationship with his families.
What are your thoughts on Fagin and Sykes from Oliver & Company?
Now before I turn the mob and their pitchforks and torches away, I must state this.
As a Kristoff stan, I do agree he doesn't have a strong purpose in the Frozen universe. He solely exists as Anna's arm candy 🍬 and for fans to exist in their fantasys...
Still I can't help myself, Kristoff is a beautiful piece of ass who deserved better. And don't even get me started on the trolls.
Agreed!
Him and rider needs to hop on a reindeer together and ride their way into the sunset out of this series
@@lahlybird895 I would so watch that! Dare to dream...
@@ryanappleton3653 we can always pretend it's going to happen in frozen III
Will you wake videos that do not focus only on Frozen? I want to hear about Treasure Planet or Atlantis?
After watching the movie, my friend asked if I liked the kidnapping scene in the beginning of the movie. Haha so I am glad youre pointing it out
All of the characters in a story serve a function , depends on the execution what role they play in the story unfortunately because kristoff is not a main or contributes minimal he's comes more & more bland on rewatches
I haven’t watched this video yet but this makes me sad. I always thought kristoff was really sweet and funny, and he was one of my first childhood crushes so I guess in a way I’m biased.
Nah, I get it, he had potential as a counterpart... but no... EVERYTHING HAD to be about the sisters... EVERYTHING even when its dumb xD
Frozen 1 Anna was annoying. Frozen 2 Kristoff was annoying.
Can you please try Disney Junior shows like the Mickey Mouse shows, The lion guard, Tangled: the series, Jake and the neverland Pirates, and Little Einsteins?
oh my god... Kristof is a generic female love interest!!!!
Christoff had potential unfortunately it was wasted.
Frozen 2 destroyed all of its characters
In the first movie I thought that Hans and Kristoff were both going to be genuine allies (and eventual love interests) of the princesses. But, since they didn't go that route, at least give Kristoff something to do; Some role in helping the Princesses.
(Personally I would have made the romance Anna/Hans, and, by the end, a friendship between Elsa and Kristoff. Then in "Frozen 2" we'd see that friendship develop into more.)
As for "Frozen 2" The same basic story would have worked, but instead of the Northuldra, use the Sami. We would then see that they are Kristof's people. Maybe his family was on the wrong side of the divide when the barrier was created. That gives Elsa and Kristoff a connection to the tribe and personal history to uncover.
As it is, the only reason Kristoff was in "Frozen 2" at all was because people would ask, "Where is Kristoff?"
Actually, maybe I need to get back to my fan fiction page. These are some good "What if" ideas.
I thought his character is terrific. I would love to see more of him. Because he was willing to say what do you need, and did it. Without taking horrible turns.
Kristoff was really good in Frozen 1 but he was pretty lame in Frozen 2.
I just hope that in the movie of Shrek 5, once Disney buys DreamWorks, all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses appear, especially the most important character in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea, Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, with her best friends Tip, Dash, Kiera and Catalina, and besides, they will be the new main characters of the movie of Shrek 5 so that they help Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others to defeat Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, as Queen Grimhilde, Lady Tremaine, Maleficent, Marina del Rey, Ursula, Gaston LeGume, Jafar, John Ratcliffe, Shan Yu, Dr. Facilier, Zhan Tiri, Judge Claude Frollo, Mother Gothel, Tamatoa, Drago Bludvist, Grimmel The Grisly, Mor'du, Prince Hans, King Runeard, Pitch Black, The Druun, The Soldiers, Dr. Zara, Queen Nerissa, King Magnifico, Morgana, Evil Rapunzel and Drizella Tremaine, and to prevent Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks from ruling and destroying all The Multiverse Forever, especially The Kingdom of Far Far Away, Shrek along with his wife named Princess Fiona will need help from their new friends which are all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses, as Prince Florian, Princess Snow White, Prince Charming, Princess Cinderella, Prince Philip, Princess Aurora, Prince Eric, Princess Ariel, Prince Adam, Princess Belle, Prince Aladdin, Princess Jasmine, Prince John Smith, Princess Pocahontas, Prince Li Shang, Princess Fa Mulan, Prince Naveen, Princess Tiana, Prince Flynn Rider, Princess Rapunzel, Maui, Queen Moana Waialiki, Hiccup Haddock, Princess Merida, Kristoff Bjorgman, Queen Anna, Jack Frost, Princess Elsa, Varian, Cassandra, Jin, Yi, Connor, Ruby Gillman, The Baker, Anastasia Tremaine, Starboy, Princess Asha, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Ting-Ting, Su, and Mei, Charlotte La Bouff, Nakoma, Namaari, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica and Melody, but actually, Melody is The First and Only that she is not a True Official Disney Princess, because Melody made her debut in the movie of The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea and it is also because she is The First and Only Daughter of an Official Disney Princess, but Shrek, Princess Fiona, Donkey, Dragon, Puss in Boots, Kitty Softpaws, Perrito, Dulcinea, The Three Diablos, Goldilocks, The Three Bears, Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany, King Artie, Princess Guinevere, The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and The Others also need Melody's help to protect and save all The Multiverse, especially Their Kingdom of Far Far Away away from Rumpelstiltskin, Death, all The Official Villains of Disney and all The Official Villains of DreamWorks, because Melody is The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, but also The Death of Queen Lillian, because since her husband named King Harold passed away in the movie of Shrek 3, she has felt heartbroken and that caused her own death in her Kingdom of Far Far Away, and all The Inhabitants of The Kingdom of Far Far Away are saddened by The Death of Queen Lillian, because now she is with her husband named King Harold in heaven, and now they have lost their queen, that means now The Kingdom of Far Far Away needs a new queen and King Artie said that his love interest, girlfriend, fiancée and former classmate from Worcestershire school called Princess Guinevere would be the one to be The New Queen of Far Far Away, so King Artie decided to return to his old school called Worcestershire along with Shrek, with his older cousin Princess Fiona, with Donkey, with Dragon, with Puss in Boots, with Kitty Softpaws, with Perrito, with Dulcinea, with The Three Diablos, with Goldilocks, with The Three Bears, with The Children of Shrek and Princess Fiona: Fergus, Farkle and Felicia, with The Children of Donkey and Dragon: Bananas, Parfait, Peanut, Eclair, Coco and Debbie and with the Others to meet again with their friends from their school who are actually Prince Lancelot, Princess Tiffany and his love interest, girlfriend and fiancée Princess Guinevere to take them back to his Kingdom of Far Far Away, and also The Romance of all The Official Disney Princes and all The Official Disney Princesses, especially The Romance of Maui and Queen Moana Waialiki, The Romance of Hiccup Haddock and Princess Merida, The Romance of Jack Frost and Princess Elsa, The Romance of Varian and Cassandra, The Romance of Starboy and Princess Asha, The Romance of Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany and The Romance of King Artie and Princess Guinevere, because I think that Maui will be Queen Moana Waialiki's love interest, boyfriend and fiancé, while Hiccup Haddock will be Princess Merida's love interest and boyfriend, Princess Tiffany will be Prince Lancelot's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée and Princess Guinevere will be King Artie's love interest, girlfriend and fiancée, because Queen Moana Waialiki is going to fall in love with Maui, Princess Merida is going to fall in love Hiccup Haddock, Princess Tiffany is going to fall in love with Prince Lancelot and Princess Guinevere is going to fall in love with King Artie, but they don't know how to tell them their feelings towards them and neither how to win their hearts, because every time Queen Moana Waialiki gets too close to Maui when it comes to true love, she gets very nervous with him, while which in the case of Princess Merida is also the same, because whenever Princess Merida gets too close to Hiccup Haddock when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous with him, in the case of Princess Tiffany it is also the same, because whenever Princess Tiffany gets too close to Prince Lancelot when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, and in the case of Princess Guinevere too, because every time Princess Guinevere gets too close to King Artie when it comes to true love, she also gets very nervous around him, but luckily for them, Princess Fiona will help Queen Moana Waialiki to win The Heart of Maui, also Princess Merida to win The Heart of Hiccup Haddock, also Princess Tiffany to win The Heart of Prince Lancelot and also Princess Guinevere to win The Heart of King Artie, and I also want that Jack Frost will be Princess Elsa's love interest and boyfriend and Varian will be Cassandra's love interest and boyfriend, because Jack Frost leaves fall in love with Princess Elsa, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Jack Frost gets too close to Princess Elsa when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, because Varian leaves fall in love with Cassandra, but he doesn't know how to tell her his feelings and how to win her heart, because every time Varian gets too close to Cassandra when it comes to true love, he gets very nervous with her, but fortunately for they, Shrek will help Jack Frost to win The Heart of Princess Elsa and also Varian to win The Heart of Cassandra, except Goldilocks, Namaari, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, Princess Raya and Princess Mirabel Madrigal, because now they will be The Only Official Disney Princesses who do not need to have love interests and who can remain single forever, and also the same for Melody, The Daughter of Prince Eric and Princess Ariel, because like her new adoptive aunts Goldilocks, Namaari, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, Princess Raya and Princess Mirabel Madrigal, she doesn't need a love interest either, but also The Rivalry of King Artie and Queen Anna because they both want to compete in a challenge to see who is The Best Ruler of a Kingdom, because both want to do what is best for Their Own Kingdom, because King Artie wants to do the best for his Kingdom of Far Far Away because now he is The New King of Far Far Away and Queen Anna wants to do the best for her Kingdom of Arendelle because now she is The New Queen of Arendelle, but at the end, King Artie and Queen Anna become best friends in the world, because at the end, they both learned from their mistakes that they have made since their challenge to compete to see who is the best ruler of a Kingdom, and that at the end, King Artie and Princess Guinevere see their first true love kiss and that they become a romantic couple, just like Prince Lancelot and Princess Tiffany, and also that at the end of the movie of Shrek 5, Shrek becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princes and Maui, Hiccup Haddock, Kristoff Bjorgman, Jack Frost, Varian, Jin, Connor, The Baker, Starboy, Prince Lancelot and King Artie become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princes, while Princess Fiona becomes The New Leader of The Official Disney Princesses and Queen Anna, Princess Elsa, Cassandra, Yi, Ruby Gillman, Anastasia Tremaine, Princess Asha, Goldilocks, Namaari, Nakoma, Ting-Ting, Su, and Mei, Charlotte La Bouff, Luisa Madrigal, Isabela Madrigal, The Other Six Princesses of The Kingdom of Atlantica, Princess Raya, Princess Mirabel Madrigal, Princess Tiffany and Princess Guinevere become The New Official Members of The Official Disney Princesses and that one day, Princess Tiffany will be The Wife of Prince Lancelot and that they have a family in the future, and that also Princess Guinevere is The Wife of King Artie, that they also have a family and that she becomes The New Queen of Far Far Away in The Future.
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while every old disney love interest had a diverse and genuinely interesting personality, it felt like kristoff was just a 'by-product' and a boring mix of the previous one's.
great video bro🤌🤌
It's funny since he and Anna were set up as breaking the 'falling in love/get married in 5min' type of joke Disney had been trying to set Hans up as. But come movie 2 that's kinda what they are-they don't have much chemistry and they feel like a couple because the plot says they are, even at the end of Frozen 1 I felt like they only were 'in love' because the plot wanted them to be for the sake of it. Renaissance era-Tangled all have love interests that for the most part, felt convincing as to why they fell in love. Interesting dynamics, enjoyable banter, having things in common and learning from each other, Kristoff just feels like an accessory to Anna/the plot in contrast.
Why does he look like a Paul brother😭😭💀💀
I think i like kristoff hes a good person and he makes the story more interesting. And hes annas love partner
Kristoff is good in Frozen. Kristoff is in once upon a time he Personality😊 He is.....BETTER!!! Kristoff in Frozen 2, I feel nothing 😮💨
Here's an idea. How about you talk about The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea. It's regarded as one of the worst Disney sequels. Yet, it has developed a cult following nowadays.
I stand my ground that AniMat has nailed it to why the sequel doesn't work. But, I just want to hear your take on it (just for fun). No matter what, Little Mermaid 2 is an objectively badly made movie.
Anna is the best character of the Frozens movies
No she's not. She's one of the worst in the whole Frozen franchise.
@@1992disney So who is the best character of Frozen in your opinion? Who is the least bad in your eyes?
@@gabidobre5584EXACTLY
@@EvelynL.1112 Nobody 🤷♀
Dude I hate himbo x girlboss trope so much. Not so much the characters' personalities in itself, more like _the lack thereof_. it's just annoying writers need to make their own characters fit into tropes to appeal to some twitter disney adult
I didn't like Flynn either actually but I recognized he was well-written and appreciated how he was able to stand on his own while still obviously caring for Rapunzel
@@gabidobre5584 ah well..he's a disney character. He and Rapunzel are gonna be fiiine. Still don't like him tho. Never liked those "charming dashing rogue" types.
I used to get him mixed up with Ryder the better love guy
Kristoff is just sort of... there. And that's it. He has no real character arc which to speak of, no meaningful development besides just getting with Anna because the plot dictates so. Do we even know _why_ they like each other? Like, the reasons they're attracted to one another? Is it in any way evident through their actions? These are questions you have to ask and answer for every romance-and I honestly don't know what it is they see in each other! Their relationship is so bereft of charisma and chemistry, I can't even articulate what about them is appealing because I have nothing to grab on to! Don't expect me to just like something because I'm told to, show me a reason to like it. 🤦
I think the biggest problem of the character is that he doesn't function independent of Anna. He's basically an extension of her, created to validate her desire, when what he needs to be is his own separate character. I liked him better in the first movie because he was, at bare minimum, more proactive in helping to drive the story forward. However, Frozen II completely sidelines the character and turns him into a joke.
It's extremely telling that people talk about Hans (even if it's often negatively) way more than Kristoff. The former is at least memorable, but Kristoff just doesn't leave enough of an impression to be more than a footnote in this franchise. And that's sad.
Kristoff should have been with the Rider guy instead those two have way more chemistry then Anna or Kristoff ever did.
I don’t care what anyone says, I frigging love Kristoff’s 80s love ballad parody “Lost in the Woods” and am glad it’s in the final film and I would honestly not want to be alive if I had to live in an alternate universe where the song doesn’t exist. Also, keep in mind, it’s not like Disney has had MANY songs that sounded contemporary and completely anachronistic to the time period their respective films take place in.
Also includes a Bohemian Rhapsody rip off
@@christymcdaniel3906 More like a homage.
Yes, Frozen sinned by reducing Kristoff and Anna and that's why I hate Frozen 2, but saying he's a bad character for me is implying.
He was bad in frozen 2, idk what happened to his character development but I guess they just disregarded him for a good chunk of that movie. In frozen 1, he was obvs better as he was heroic, helped anna and played a better role in general.
Subscribe! I love this video and no clue what videos you do but thank you for saying this!
Finally! I've always hated the guy
*_ME TOO😊!!!!_*
You really hate this movie.😂😂😂
Well they shoehorn him in as the love interest.
Cause they knew Hans was the Villain all along...
Poor Writing ✍ , from Disney
He's criticizing the film not hating it, criticism ≠ Hate
He doesn't like this film.
But thinks Moana is the greatest Disney protagonist.😂😂😂🤣
Frozen 3 will likely show Anna & Kristoff having a child
it is new for me to see a male shafted as a one note love interest. i dont like it....
I don't hate Kristoff i just not crazy for him
No me va a sorprender cuando este sujeto diga que Frozen tiene la peor animación de la historia del cine animado.
No jodas el ni lo haría. No cuando existe películas como Food Fight, Marmaduke, los varios ripoffs de películas de Disney y Dreamworks. Solo porque te encanta Frozen y te molesta que el lo está criticando por razones bastante válidas, no significa que los encuentra todo mal carajo 🙄
@@NinthShinigami
Seré honesto contigo, a pesar de que soy medio fan de Frozen, sé a la perfección que ambas películas tienen errores, en especial Frozen 2, pero si hasta dijo que Elsa en la 2 es un mal personaje porque y cito "no aprendió nada", si Elsa pasó de huír de los problemas a enfrentarlos en Frozen 2 no creo que eso signifique "no aprender nada".
He should have ended with Rapunzel 😗
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Congrats Aldone you outraged and entire twitter fandom
Good
This is where the M-She-U came from.... he's just a useless guy in the whole movies
Bro sure blabbers a lot
Lost in the woods is still an awesome song though
*_NO, NO, NO!!!! IT IS NOT!!!! I FREAKING HATE IT!!!! I THINK "LOVE IS AN OPEN DOOR" IS A GAZILLION TIMES BETTER THAN "LOST IN THE WOODS"!!!!_*
@@arshia_rashel2124 Okay
Can you make videos that don’t crap on characters and movies 😭
He’s done videos praising underrated stuff like Cars, the Dreamworks villains, the older Disney films, Moana, and even in these videos where he criticizes he often brings up an example of what he’s criticizing having been done better, in turn giving that film and aspect praise.
@@NinthShinigami
En Frozen todo lo ve negativo, no te sorprendas cuando este sujeto diga que Frozen tiene la peor animación de la historia.
@@unapersona5485 literalmente el otro día sacó un video de la canción let it go y cómo era bueno 🤣 y hasta en ese video, explicó cómo esa canción lo ha jodido a Disney para seguir intentando de hacer uno con el mismo nivel de popularidad pero con la mitad del trabajo 😂 hay que decirlo como es men, Disney aprendió todo lo incorrecto de Frozen solo porque les hizo arto dinero. No me imagino el diciendo algo de la animación cuando varias películas más lo usaron después de Frozen como Moana, Zootopia, y Encanto. Hasta Pixar han usado estilos similares…
@@NinthShinigami
Ya era hora, en cada video hablaba mal de Frozen.
Eugene is far way more better for me, no offense!