Now Super Etendards for Ukraine!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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I was just thinking about doing a Forgotten Aircraft on this as well!
That would be good to see, especially after the navalised Jaguar.
@@davidellis2021 My thought exactly!
this just in: half of the World is donating 'slightly used' F-5s to Ukraine! "sure, the plane may be a bit long in the tooth, but Ukraine is about to get three hundred of them, that has to count for something!"
(I am joking of course)
It would be nice, this one and the Jaguar
Russia basically still has zero Air Force having been forced to launch from great distances glide bombs and the like. In the meantime Ukraine continues to build an absolutely lethal Air Force that operates inside Ukraine and has proven an ability to strike anywhere in Western Russia that they want at any time and with incredible accuracy. Sending in an Aircraft designed for work off of an aircraft carrier which to my knowledge Argentina never had the latter...if this report be true and not part of a disinformation campaign as there is no source noted in the report...but again if true this is a very robust built is used as land based...and a fairly straightforward single engine design delta wing. Definitely made to carry an advanced payload and has shown effectiveness in the past too absolutely. Still standing up F-16 work for all of Eastern Europe remains a game changer as indeed there are so many of them and still an in production Air frame engine load out etc. "By the book" this will be the combat debut of the F-16 as well so certainly Lockheed Martin has an interest in seeing great success...as do all those who employ the F-16 in their work. Great Britain and Germany have Tornado Fighter Bombers as well...an even more proven platform for war fighting and certainly more proven than anything all of Russia has although #irony in the hands of Ukraine near all former USSR equipment has proven incredibly effective actually. If this "Jerry Rigged" approach continues to work as so far has been beyond belief true then next up after this would be combat helicopters for Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe. US Vietnam War Era equipment has proven itself very well in this conflict two Years running now but of course the UH-1 Iroquois still has yet to make an appearance...and that has a "Viper" variant just like the F-16 as well/too.
The Ukrainian tech tree in war thunder gonna be wild
Underrated comment. LMAO
here's a thought: Gaijin could make the Ukrainian tech tree an all-premium craft -one & donate half of the income from each purchased plane/tank to Ukraine.
lol
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@@hullutsuhna HALF? Gaijin? Lol
The Swiss might still have some NF-5's and Hawker Hunters in storage.
Not sure what the point would be for these. Upgrades and parts would be an issue, so why divert pilots to train on them? Useful as drones/decoys maybe?
There’s the video where they used a trainer prop plane with a rear gunner to destroy drones, so I don’t see why not use more props at this point or etendards
This will be the Area 88 anime Air Force eventually.
😎👌🏼
This comment has a very narrow target audience. But within that target audience: it absolutely slays.
@@wlpaul4The venn diagram between Ed Nash and Area 88 fans may overlap quite a bit
Damn, was about to make a joke about that myself but was beaten to the punch
F-8s for Ukraine when
The war in Ukraine is slowly becoming indistinguishable from a Mad Max movie.
How right you are !! And, I will add, it's all a bit scary.
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They certainly have some amazing hair in Argentina
The guy in the left is Milei (president) but the guy in the right is Bayly, a peruvian political commentator. Hope that helps.
@@tareksaleh3259 I'd rather know who their hair stylists are.
@@benholroyd5221 They HAVE hair sylists? 😳
@@tareksaleh3259 The Peruvian equivalent of Michael Fabricant.
What on earth is the point? The amount of work required to get these airworthy and remotely suitable for the modern battlefield plus all the extraneous agencies necessary input is ludicrous. All for 5 obsolete planes ‘in storage’. Sheesh…..
@@toqtoq3361 He is offering a deal, stupid is who accepts it if it's that bad, being it Macron or Ukraine...
@@pierauspitz there ARE SEM : it is in fact 5 aircrafts that were sold to Argentina in 2018.
They could not use them because they lacked the ejection seats (Martin Baker, British embargo)
@@chefchaudard3580 Yep, I removed my comment as I wrote it before I had the full picture. ;)
@@toqtoq3361it's not an instead/or deal though, using your example Ukraine would get the Ford AND the Volvo.
The point is Argentina trying to get some new, useful aircraft for free from the west in exchange for the west dealing with their old junk airframes.
It's a scam.
The Argentine president looks like he's straight from a 70s UK sitcom.
Faulty Towers 🤣
@@vascoribeiro69 Am I wrong? Even the colours on the video look 50 years old...
@@cabanford you are right. Or even from a Monty Python scketch
@@vascoribeiro69 he has to prove his utter silliness before I shall even consider adding The Mark of the Python to this man...
He does take advice from his dead dog
If these are the same five aircraft that Argentine received in 2017, then they aren't as dated as they look. They're Super Etendard Modernisés with Anemone radar, INS/GPS, targeting pod and laser-guided bombs. Argentine could never operate them properly because they couldn't get UK-built spares for the Martin-Baker ejection seats.
cherrypicked of the Standard 5 (last update that they got) planes numbers 1, 31, 41, 44 and 51
with rest left at EAR 279 and most likely tasted in 2022 from the little info I can find in the last hours
except of used it as trainer and bubby tankers with only 5
maybe with a new "Standard 6"
"F110-GE-100/400" swap in ***
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point 5 Terma Terma Archange
point 6 Barracuda jammer **
point 7 2xY-pylon AIM-9 Sidewinder
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Warfare Management System (EWMS), the Missile
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The new Is false, there were never plans abot the etedard to Ukraine.
And the entendard has More problems not only the SEAT, the explosives are expired and i Heard about 3 etendard with damaged ¿Hull?
Will 'Exocet' return as a near everyday term as was in the mid 80s?
Sure it's only that it's now translated as "STORM SHADOW".
@@JZsBFF exocet is a medium weight sea skimming anti-ship missile, storm shadow is a heavy cruise missile. The equivalent of the exocet would rather be the sea eagle, although they have significantly different ranges and explosive charges
I had to double check it wasn't April 1st.
The Ukrainian supply, logistics department must be an utter hellscape to work in right now. But beggars can't be choosers.
Ukrainian Supply Logistics: What! Their sending what!? When's the WW1 biplanes arriving?
@@bigblue6917 Sold out. I guess Moscow got their hands on those first. As precaution after losing a Su-57. Their forces tend do downgrade during years of war , while UA seems to upgrade.
Go check the Indian Air force... they are _down_ to 7 diferent fighters and 11 diferent transports...
@@jlvfr that's freaking amazing and absolutely terrifying at the same time.
@@admiraltiberius1989 yeah, specially when you see the mix of countries of origin and generations...
Switzerland might have a few Hawker Hunters in some museum, somewhere....
The SE is old but, by the time it was retired, it was fully capable of flying by night and dropping guided weapons... so maybe not that useless...
But I suspect not the Argentinian airframes.
@@alan-sk7ky If they're offering 5 these are could be the 5 modernised M variants which they received in 2017.
@@alan-sk7ky no, definetly not. Those would be spare sources, I think.
@@GregStachowski Yes, they are the modernized airframes bought from France in 2017.
If there's a stock of Exocet missiles this will be worth it. Also the SE could augment the Su-24 as a platform for super sonic bomb tossing for long range.
Thé SE is subsonic only…
@@chefchaudard3580 Ohhh, thanks. I assumed with that huge wing sweep, it being cold war era and small that it could make mach speeds.
@@AndrewTubbiolo now, a strike aircraft does not need to be supersonic : most aircrafts, even modern multi role ones, are not when used in that role. That’s the reason why the SE was not. But we talk of 5 aircraft’s only…
Bad memories for the Royal Navy...
The Brits have 27 Spitfires!
They'd make mince out of all the shahed and orlan drones
What about SPADS
Getting to be a bit like the Chinese air force in the 1930s. A bunch of random types in small quantities, with all the headaches for maintenance, training, deployment that brings.
I would say more like the Israeli airforce of the late 1960s through mid 1970s which flew both US and French jets.
@@TheLAGopher ....or the Israeli Air Force in 1948, flying Spits, Czech 109s, Beufighters, P51s and Mosquitos. Also them making knock-off Mirages in the 60s and 70s, the Nesher and Kfir as well.
@@EffequalsMA Or the Finns in the Winter War and Continuation War.
@@kkang2828 Yeah, making the Brewster Buffalo bad ass....
Well...
The last version in service in France (the SEM, retired in 2016) is not comparable to Falkland War-era Super-Etendards.
It received an extensive suite of upgrades in the 90's and 2000's, with a much improved radar (doubled range and improved capabilities), updated cockpit (HOTAS, MFD), upgraded NAV, modern ECM, and compatibility with the DAMOCLES targeting pod. Nothing to sneeze at.
It seems that Argentina bought 5 of those in 2017 (delivered in 2019), but could not use them, due to British embargo on ejection seat components. Could these be the ones concerned?
And in a context where they would receive cover from late F-16 blocks and/or Mirage 2000-5, there are definitely reasons to increase the Russian Navy's pucker factor.
Good point!. But there are only five of them…
@@chefchaudard3580 Each one armed with an Exocet, and ready to go...
The Argentine Navy did not have more available in 1982, and look what they did to the British Navy.
If you were a Russian sailor, would you even consider going out of port anymore?
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@@chefchaudard3580and how many serviceable planes does Russia have?
This is like when my neighbor revealed they had no food, so I dug through the fridge and cabinets giving them all the extra stuff I had. They left with a bunch of cream corn and pumpkin pie filling and while it technically is food its not exactly what they need.
Those kinds of people are bad at taking care of themselves in every conceivable fashion. Bad finances, starving, yet overweight. A cheap house on wheels and 5 rusting cars on bricks. And their messy ass house always smells of cigarettes and sweat.
Why not?!? SEs and any other jet fighter can be lunch platforms for JDAM, JDAM ER, AGMs, and other standoff airlunched weapons.
At this rate, Ukrainians will be flying F-86s by Christmas
F102’s and A5 Vigilante please 😂
Spads are being cut as I post! 😳
In fact, the SEM is not older than the F-16 and Mirage 2000-5 Ukraine is supposed to receive.
It first flew in 1974 and was modernized in the 90s. That’s comparable to the F-16 block 50/52.
The Ukrainians will be flying updated Bristol FE 2b pusher biplanes?
And ov10 bronco
The Super Etendard although a bit long in the tooth it's still an excellent platform.
Nope, it's an ugly, underperformed french crap, nobody wants it
Are cheap wigs big business in Argentina?
IMHO not quite as mad as it sounds. If the airframes are in good condition they could be adapted to fire the indigenous Ukrainian anti ship missile known as the Neptune. At the moment the only aircraft the Ukrainians have capable of that is the Sukhoi Su-24 . 5 Super Etandards are unlikely to win the war on their own but I could see Ukraine using them to pull off a serious blow to Russia. And they're an awful lot better than nothing.
Anything to defeat putin... ANYTHING!!!
They have been trying hard but they guy get's stronger by the minute...
About the only practical use for such an old aircraft as the Super Etendard would be for anti-shipping strikes in the Black Sea. With only five aircraft, they would have limited if any utility on the land battlefield, apart from launching stand-off missiles, probably against fixed targets. But, such a limited number of aircraft could be very useful in extending the range of Ukraine's strike capability in the Black Sea. But would they still use Exocets, or a different anti-ship missile? 🤔
I thought I was reading something wrong when I read the title.
I still thought I must have misread something.
HUH?
Milei has entered the melee
SEs are decent low flyers, and it should be easier to interface western long range munitions with the Etendard for precision strikes. Considering how few aircraft the Ukrainians have right now, the SE might actually be semi valuable
I would guess this is just political? Argentina are choosing the side of the west, which presumably is a good thing vis a vis them getting their economy sorted.
These aircraft were modernised in the 1990s/2000s and 5 were sold to Argentina, who couldn't use them as the UK embargo on their military meant they couldn't get any more spares for the Martin Baker ejection seats. The aircraft type was only retired in 2016.
F4's for Ukraine!
Actually, F4 is a decent lunch platform for JDAM, JDAM-ER, and any other air to ground ammunition with ranges in excess of 30 miles (to avoid all Russian SAM systems except S300 and S400)
Japan has a bunch of F-4 s they just retired.
Don’t joke Greece still has some
@@johnforrester9120 South korea and turkey still uses the f4 phantom. South korean phantoms can actually fire Taurus cruise missile and other modern munitions.
The people of Ukraine hate you
Iraq had leased the super etender and did not acquire, it was merely a temporary arrangement until the full arrival of the mirage F1 F1EQ-5 aircraft: capable of launching AM39 missiles...
the aircraft is slow and poorly manoeuvrable, with a very limited combat useful payload and a low service ceiling, and therefore will constitute very easy air targets for Russian air defense systems deployed along the western coast of the Crimean Peninsula, supported with air superiority aircrafts like su35 and the fast interceptor MiG-31...
Its slight preference is divided between:
1- the aircraft is considered a specialized in anti ships combat roles, but with avionics and the radar systems dating back to the Cold War era and therefore very obsolete to give a stand-off engagement capabilities, and I doubt its radars capable of firing the latest blocks of the AM39...
2- Having the ability to fly at low altitudes or skimming the sea...
In anti-ship combat duties and roles in the Black Sea, the Ukrainian advantage lies in suicidal naval drones and not in anti-ship missiles ASMs, which still offer very low percentage successful rates...
Ah, Neptune range extenders - formerly know as Super Etendard.
The Falklands War would like its attack aircraft back , geez and people mock the MiG-29 😅
These aircraft were modernised in the late 1990s and were only retired in 2016.
Given the situation with the Gripen I doubt it. Sweden claim to be happy to transfer, but holding back to allow for focus on the F-16s first.
that was a friendly "look into" last year as only 30 of 71 Gripen C/D was to be upgraded to E and only 30 E would
go pass 2030, leaving 41 Gripen C/D that could maybe be sent. today all 71 Gripen C/D are being upgraded to E and staying in services until between 2035 to 2040. no decision will be take on F-35 nor next Gen SAAB plane until 2030 with newly build Gripen E flying to 2040+, Gripen will most likely not be in Ukraine until way after 2028 and if ever.
@@1BigBen The E airframe is way bigger, the "upgrade" would mean slaughtering C/D frames for a few components that could be resused. Economic insanity if you ask me, the C/D got many fligh hours left in them.
Everybody is kinda of trashing the super etendard right now. But you have to consider that Ukraine doesn’t have an infinite amount of Soviet aircraft. It’s entirely possible they have more pilots than planes right now. And as Soviet planes continue decrease in number, these could be used as a backup. Ukraine doesn’t have to necessarily use them, they could serve as a political bargaining chip to get other countries to donate there aircraft. Plus it’s easier to maintain a fleet of 5 aircraft versus 80. Further more the su-25’s Ukraine uses aren’t any better then the etendards.
Frenchman’s take:
Five SEMs won’t do much.
They’re specialized (sort of) in anti ship warfare and the black sea fleet is already pretty much toast.
It will add maintenance struggles (micro fleet of aging birds having had only two users (plus Irak but these were loaned) therefore few spares to find.
Argentina bought 5, freshly retired, latest models from France in 2017, and you seem to forget its precision ammunition capability when using the DAMOCLES pod...
It's a pretty competent attack aircraft on its own.
As far as spare parts are concerned, there are still plentiful in France, and 5 aircrafts may not be such an enormous logistical burden to sustain (especially when you consider those Argentinian aircrafts are still virtually "in the wrapper" as they could not use them due to lack of ejector seat parts ( the seats are British Martin-Baker, and a British embargo blocked them from acquiring ejector charges. Silly isn't it?), and came with 10 spare engines...
@@pierauspitz It's a brand new (to Ukraine) aircraft type which will require it's own logistics chain, specially trained ground crews, type conversion training for pilots, the list just goes on. It is an enormous logistical burden and it's just not worth it for five obsolete airframes.
@@gwtpictgwtpict4214
Well... yes, BUT:
-Ukrainian pilots (and I guess mechanics) are already in training in France... Pilots are not starting on Mirage 2000 right away, and do follow standard French cursus. Diverting some of these folks to SEM is not as difficult as one may imagine.
-Mirage 2000-5 is an air superiority (or air defence, as you prefer) fighter. In France, their pilots are the best of the best, and train enormously. I cannot imagine Ukrainian pilots receiving degraded training for it, it's a question of national prestige. On the other hand, while very involved too, making a non-naval, SEM pilot for anti-ship and ground strikes is probably much less time and resource-demanding.
-"five obsolete airframes" we are not talking about Falkland war era planes here. These planes are 5 former French Navy aircrafts of the latest update (mid-2000s), with very capable avionics and ECM. Much more survivable in a modern battlefield than the soviet-era SU-25 the ukrainians operate.
Hey, Super Etendards if not in manned role could be a nice drone and SAM magnet.
Not to mention a proper benefactor to the Muscovite underwear laundry division.
Not a bad idea. Pretty expensive though when one considers what's currently being done with cheap prop planes.
Perhaps interesting for Moskva type targets although those are running thin since most joined the silent service.
These can be equipped with air refuelling pods so they could be used as Ad Hoc tankers for F-16:s and other planes.
Super Etendards Chalmers 😀
I've worked with many Eastern Europeans. They're smart people and just get on with things.
Exocet armed and adequatly upgraded those planes could be formidable antiship planes.
The key to an Etendard transfer would be the ability to fire the Exocet. If Etendard could fire modernized Exocets they could clear the Black Sea. Any other mission would be a stretch,
Sweet, if it happens! These bad boys carry a lot more than an F-16 & give the Su fleet a break too.
As long as they stay away from the front, these planes will be super useful.
I've loved these planes since high school in 1982, thanks from an icy Canberra Ed.
They also were famous in Lybia, carrying the bombs or the optics for the Rafale booming missions, I forget which.
Could these planes be turned into suicide drone fighters? Like one way attack mission to sink some Russian ships? Three guided missile frigates are still present in the Black Sea. Could be juicy targets.
Nah. This is a comedy thingie. Ukraine's Zelensky is clutching at his pearls, diamonds, gold US dollars, etc. and wondering when he should do a runner leaving Ukrainians to clean up the mess he got them into. On the other hand, he could misjudge his moment and find himself in front of firing squad. either way he is toast and this desperate attempt to stave off the inevitable can be seen for what it exactly is - the final hours of a despotic and corrupt regime.
I thought Milei was a based indavidual, supporting Ukraine is one of the most letfy woketard thing to do.
I can't imagine why Ukraine would take Etenards, when they've turned down relatively modern F/A-18s from the RAAF.
The RAAF Legacy Hornets are in really bad shape. Like, "not flyable, and fixing them would cost as much as buying new aircraft" bad - what the Aussies have left is the scraps the RCAF didn't even think were hauling off to provide spare parts for their own Legacy Hornet fleet.
The thing is these super Etendards are relatively fresh in comparison to the Hornets. They are the Super Etendards Modernizé Argentina bought in 2018 and never flew due to lack of ejector seats.
Ukraine turned down F/A 18?
While still asking for money
Beggars can’t be choosers and I’m starting to think your man’s is being spoiled if he can just refuse F18s…
@DiceStrike First, nobody was seriously offering Ukraine the ancient, unflyable F/A-18A/Bs from the RAAF boneyard, it was just ignorant speculation that the Ukrainians (quite properly) shut down. Second, describing those old, busted Legacy Hornets as "flying garbage" is extremely charitable, as the only those aircraft will ever fly again is as cargo - what's left in the RAAF boneyard is, as stated, the scraps the RCAF didn't even want to cut up for _parts._
France gives mirages to ukraine...can you see the joke? Mirages ...
Very bad decision by Milei. Very bad optics!!
Its not bad at all, planes are ancient and the free space is always good
French is Cool! Beautiful aircraft.
Everyone laughs till you lose a ship.
Entendardly ... anything that can fire weapons is a bonus for Ukrain ... the Entendard certainly effed up the Royal Navy even if it was back in 82
Maybe someone will discover a cache of Skyraiders and send them off to Ukraine.
OV-10 Bronco Thats what they need...
@@alan-sk7ky considering that the Philippine Airforce still operates the OV-10 I'd reckon that's not hard to get
This just in, France offers to send new production SPAD S.XIII's to Ukraine. (To be honest Ukraine would likely figure out a way to turn a SPAD into a big slow drone and wipe out what little remains of the RU Black Sea fleet.)
The SPAD might be hard to see on radar.
Massimo D'Alema on cover! Fantastic!
The SE could probably make for good ground trainers if they just refurb the cockpits.
I know somebody out there has some F-86 Sabres in storage.
Seems like a deal where there's more in it for Argentina than useful for Ukraine. They've managed really well with Naval threats so far, so wouldn't need the plane for that tasking, and for other uses they're better off with more modern alternatives. Drones seem to be where it'll be decided on.
Ukraine to Australia: ‘We don’t want your flying trash’ (F/A 18)
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problem with the Aussie F/A-18A that were left were well pass the life of the frame like most of the F/A-18A that didn't frame rebuild.
Aussie F/A-18A were EOL done. with no other sources for more of them
It's true, calling the ex-RAAF F/A-18s "flying trash" _was_ a bit misleading - none of those tired old birds will ever fly again, unless it's in the cargo hold of a C-17 or other large airlifter.
I've always found SE's oddly charismatic...but I'm guessing it's a thanks but no thanks.
Who can say which weapon is obsolete ?
Weapons change.
But the target hasn’t.
Namely the human body.
A club kills it as surely as a Hellfire missile.
😂😂😂....
Don't get me wrong. The SE is one my favorite planes & the world is a dumpster fire.....but
Many thanx Ed 👍👍
This is so bizarre. Strange times.
It's telling enough that they are scraping all the old stuff to beat Russia.
It's pure desperation, false hope en sheer stupidity.
They should have talked years or months ago, they can't and won't beat Russia. Not with the old stuff, and not with the new stuff.
EH? The HELICOPTERS which the Argies want to swap for the Super Etendards may be a lot more use to Ukraine anyway?
I imagine Ukrainian moxie might see these used as unmanned aircraft, decoy, recon, one way deep strikes (the Caspian shipping w/Iran comes to mind )
As nasalized airframes they’re probably robust enough to use Ukraine’s less improved runways.
Lets try this opening Lyric from the song : Spinning Wheels by Blood ,Sweat, & Tears and see if it's applicable to Ukraine
"What goes UP must come DOWN"
Still dumping OLD gear on Ukraine. I know I know, OLD is better than none….. I think!?!?
Memories of playing US Navy Fighters, ATF Gold, and Fighters Anthology as well. But wait, the Russians have also played those games. And they did it damn well! sa, its pupept called eu, and nato, prepare for a
I wouldn't be surprised if these were the same 5 units that Argentine bought from France several years ago to replace its more older. Unfortunately the state of these was worse than expected, wich also spiked runours of corruption. Lacking the resources and the mentioned British veto on the Martin-Baker eject seats they ended also being shelved.
You know, I was just wondering the other day if the Ukrainian Air Force would benefit from a handful of Sopwith Camels?
This is a political move only.
These birds are obsolete even against Russian modern tactical jets. Further, we are talking about 5 jets...
Ok, we also have to consider that Argentina does not have much and is hoping to get 2nd / 3rd hand F-16s...
Iraq did not actually own any Super Etendards. France loaned them 5 aircraft from 1983-85, losing one.
Five planes ... is that worth the logistics? The training? The Russian fleet doesn't have many submarines left in the black sea. And supplying planes is not the same as supplying exocets. Can it be altered to use modern munitions? Can it do Ukrainian glide bombs? If it works, it works, but I'm skeptical.
Look, it is going to be unreasonably expensive, compared to other options. However, the grandpa, could still serve as a Black Fleet bane. Consideing rusian fleet readiness...
Mirage 2000 is a cracking aircraft, still a viable strike aircraft. Super Etandarte also oldie but goodie. Remote pilot them and use them as super kamikaze drones. Ukraine has the technical savvy.
If these are SEM ("Super Etendard Modernisé") planes, they're still a very decent addition for the Ukainians and it should be easier to train pilots on them. Logistics and maintenance for only 5 planes, though... If these are older Falklands-war era planes, they're also still useful : as decoys.
Warplanes should be drone platforms more than anything else in the present state of warfare.
The plane’s performances now are less important than the carried drones :
the better the drones, the safer for the human🧑✈️
Drones are the unexpected wild cards in this war.
If they are going for something of this vintage… Wouldn’t Ukraine be better off asking a South Korea for their just recently retired Phantom F-4E’s?
Don't think so on the Super Etendards will be beneficial. It's a logistic nightmare for the Ukrainians.
But then again, who knows
If one day there is a form of air superiority in Ukraine.... Or perhaps for low level naval attacks with exocet. I didn't see the Russian marine air defence shine.
Perhaps last french marine Super étendard got good countermesure and RWR. But i got a doubt about argentinians ones.
Other wise better to give older A10.
I think the Royal Navy off the Falklands was better prepared to defend against Super Etendards with Exocets than the current Russian Black Sea Fleet is prepared to do the same job. So, if the Ukrainians want them, send them!
I watched your video only to understand why on earth you put Massimo D'Alema on the cover of your video. He has been president of Italian Left Democratic Party (PD) for a number of years, but has not been a relevant figure for at least 20 year. So, why?
well, if they are to the last "french SEM S5 standard" that was phased out in 2016, it's a good and rugged aircraft with a PESA radar, pretty good ecm/rwr system good nav/Lase attack system, over all enough to control a fair bit of water, specialy with the new drone threat. But payload is far from ludicrous, and above all, they 're 40 years old, the amount of maintenance time required to fly them and the stock of available spare parts is not that high considering we did,'t build a truckload of them in the first place. And does this include exocet missiles... i guess it does because that the only stuff it would be better than a f-16 and would be interresting enough to put them back on the line. not sure how it's gonna help ukrainians....
Methinks politely declining the offer would be the best response.
At the same time, anything which pi$$es off Putin is a 100% good thing.
Mirage 2000-5 planes were used exclusively by the French Air Force for air interception missions. With a dozen of them I guess you could protect a city like Kharkiv. SEM planes are more multirole, they were used by the French Navy for a variety of missions until the Rafale became an able platform.
I wonder which ASM she will carry if she ever ends up flying against the Russian navy. Harpoon or Exocet?
Sounds like a total loss of time and energy for everyone. This is essentially a lousy maneuver from Argentina to try and get some residual value out of these old junk. At least, the Mirage 2000-5’s are very capable modern interceptors and could be later upgraded to the 2000-9 multirole standard. Providing the airframes have enough lifetime left…
The required effort to get them operational makes no sense when only 5 can be delivered. Things would be very different if it was 50. The Super Etendard is not a bad design after all and it would be able to fill the biggest gap the Ukrainian Air Force has to fill: A technically rather simple attack aircraft that can use a much wider variety of NATO standard missiles and bombs than the crudely converted MiGs and Sus can use.
This is false news. The Argentine government has categorically denied it and there are insurmountable technical problems that would prevent this operation from taking place: they are aircraft that have not been flying since 2011, that are on the verge of reaching their life cycle, that have little stock of spare parts (in France and in Argentina) and that do not have updates because they are decommissioned. Argentina collaborates with Ukraine by sending humanitarian aid, but not weapons, it is already in a process of rearmament. This fake news comes from certain Argentinean media trying to discredit the government, in revenge for the budget cuts in the State Communication Department. Four months ago, those same media invented that Argentina gave two Mil Mi-117E helicopters to Ukraine... which caused an unnecessary diplomatic conflict with Russia.
I'm just/still a bit peeved that the Cameron government didn't leave us (the UK) in a position to trump this story with a gift of Harriers. No worries about cratered runways with those!
honestly, Macron's picture should not be on the face of this story.
Rather, it should be the face of the Argentine presidente or somebody directly responsible for this somewhat laughable plan.
That said, this was some good reportage.
Much obliged.
More of a gesture really... " Hey, Ukraine, want these?" "Look UK, no more Exocets". However, and I' m just thinking out loud here... SE is likely the cheapest Exocet platform you can get... right? Rafales aren't cheap... Sooo... Lets say you escort SE and upgrade their ECMs... Will it change anything over the Baltic?
I have come to the conclusion that countries around the world have decided that Ukraine is a heaven sent opportunity to dump very old and very obsolete military equipment that no one in their right mind would ever buy other than as scrap. Sweden is dumping a bunch of 1960's era APC's as well. In exchange said countries are earning some public relations points and probably some sort of back room deal.
Hasn’t anyone got some Sopwith Camels for Ukraine?!
It’d be a waste of time and resources for 🇺🇦 to incorporate this plane. Even the Mirages are unlikely to be added to its AF during the war or even after, unless they’re in numbers of 30+.
WTF is going on with hair styles in South America????? Now, with that said, it's not horrible. It's certainly retro contemporary something or another. I mean, more power to them doing their own thing down there in way South America. What was that about ancient Exendards?