there's something funny to me about getting a windows laptop and then removing windows. i did this to all my macs and i still get a kick when people use them and don't understand. great vid btw, loved the commentary and info.
The caveats on Linux are an invitation for learning. Good job on your quest for better GPU power management, I suffer trying to run proper power management for my laptops, for many years when documentation for Linux was only available for wizards, sadly for the sake of comfort I've turned to use WSL, but I miss having my RAM running at 1GB.
I just stick to amd on any of my Linux machines.. don't plan ever using NVIDIA again until the Official Opensource drivers are the norm and more complete
@@MRJMXHD Yea generally AMD GPUs are the better experience on linux in regards to gaming, NVIDIA still the better experience when you need compute with cuda but thats rapidly changing with Rocm
@@tohuryeah thats bs again, on Arch you install the Nvidia Driver with pacman -s nvidia and U have opencl and all that crap that U dont get with AMD ...
I was thinking of installing windows on a Xiaomi pad 5 to make myself a laptop That's an android device with a Snapdragon processor, I can't even imagine how hellish it woudl be to get linux on that
Android is (heavily modified) Linux, where Windows is a whole other Kernel with different drivers and other huge huge differences. Something designed for Android is much more likely to play well with Linux than Windows
What's happen when you have to attend to a video conference? My experience with Wayland it's always cashing when trying to enter to teams or discord screen sharing
Seriously the only thing on my desktop that isn't fully supported is my nvidia card with wayland. some games just have some severe graphical glitches. other than that though, I can't wait for driver 555 when I can actually play osu and minecraft withotu graphical bugs.
On my nixos, if i boot normally, my nvidia drivers wont even load and the gpu will be completely powered off so everything runs from my integrated graphics. I have a specialisation that creates another boot entry for gaming, and when i select it, it will load the Nvidia driver and switch my DE from gdm + gnome to sddm + kde with prime sync enabled. The best part is it was only around 20 lines in my configuration.nix to do all of this
Ubuntu doesn't address the NVIDIA issues, doesn't have any drivers that you can't get in another distro, and isn't a distro that I use myself. If it made the laptop experience much better than anything else, I'd have mentioned it
there is reason why linux desktop is still 3% thats total of million distros. windows is calculated one bcoz those who install win11 is more stupid than linux installers lol
how tf u get this many issues lmfao. dawg I just pressed a button on ubuntu and it installed perfectly fine. Its all AMD tho which prolly explains alot. But still
Wifi card support is probably the biggest dice roll IMO although so far i had only 1 laptop where i had to manually download and build wifi drivers and add to dkms and then it would break nearly every kernel update(rolling release distro) so i had to hold off kernel updates until new wifi drivers were up 😂 but otherwise no issues
That's why I'm a 100% AMD boy 😉 Jokes aside, I used a Nvidia GPU in my PC for a short while, and it was so bad i had to switch between different driver versions to play different games... I also ran Fedora on My Surface book (no eGPU) without any issues.
Yeah, I'd heard bad things about Nvidia drivers on Linux, but also that it "wasn't that bad" nowadays. The driver installation is easy, but not being part of the kernel makes things so much more awkward when in weird setups. Absolutely my next laptop will be all AMD, given how generally excellent my all AMD desktop has been
DAMN !! Used mostly ATI and then AMD for almost 20 years. Never faced a single issue, except for those horrible transition phases of gnome 2 to 3 and KDE 3 to 4.
@@MRJMXHD Personally, I'd recommend not dual booting. But, with an All-AMD Machine you probably wont have issues, Windows has the current drivers (I'm using a 7840U Laptop at work) and on Linux you generally get all the drivers directly in the kernel. I'm currently patiently waiting for my Ryzen Framework laptop, which I have been waiting for basically since the first one was announced.
To be fair, the Surface range are an outlier because Microsoft made them with custom components and didn't help with any Linux porting efforts (why would they?). Getting Linux running on the Surface range is a challenge not dissimilar to porting Linux to Apple Silicon laptops. The sad thing is, both the Surface laptops and the MacBook laptops are the best laptops (build-quality wise) on the market - and neither can run Linux well.
It's true that Surface laptops are less Linux compatible by default, but they also benefit from a large community that builds fixes for the issues faced. When I got this laptop, Linux support was "very high" on my priorities, but not a 100% necessary feature, where now it is, and I just wouldn't buy anything without it. This laptop definitely makes Linux more awkward, but most issues could pop up on many other machines too
Not using systemd, being an independent distro (so not being supported by Linux-Surface or NVIDIA directly), and just generally not being very popular would probably make it super awkward on my laptop. That in mind, it should still be possible to get everything working fine
Interesting video, I’m running Alma Linux 9.4 on a thinkpad t470 with no issues and the battery life is pretty decent. I did notice a battery life improvement on rhel compatible distros from versions 8 to 9.
On my first gaming laptop and my first pc i built, linux ran attrocious, i had the same bugs, games ran awful and it wasnt a good experience and it really put me off linux, i just built an AMD pc and linux games run phenomonal and windows games dont run that great.
my moms old dual graphics hp laptop, THICK and heavy, but a proper desktop replacement with dvd writer n everything, no touch screen, but the intel... whatever... and the radeon 6250 with dual screen support, NO PROBLEMS with slackware. multitouch on the touchpad, works fine. i think, next chance i get, i'll plug a touchscreen into it and see how it does, the screen works perfectly with mint... can't be worse than basic support. for carrying my laptop around, i get used to suspending to disk.
For some people, if they're not too committed to Linux, it definitely would be too much work. It's also probably too much work if you bought a laptop with Linux in mind that requires this much messing. This kind of stuff is still important for people who switch to Linux using hardware they've already got
there's something funny to me about getting a windows laptop and then removing windows. i did this to all my macs and i still get a kick when people use them and don't understand. great vid btw, loved the commentary and info.
The caveats on Linux are an invitation for learning. Good job on your quest for better GPU power management, I suffer trying to run proper power management for my laptops, for many years when documentation for Linux was only available for wizards, sadly for the sake of comfort I've turned to use WSL, but I miss having my RAM running at 1GB.
I just stick to amd on any of my Linux machines.. don't plan ever using NVIDIA again until the Official Opensource drivers are the norm and more complete
AMD GPUs?
@@MRJMXHD Yea generally AMD GPUs are the better experience on linux in regards to gaming, NVIDIA still the better experience when you need compute with cuda but thats rapidly changing with Rocm
AMD isn't perfect as well... if you want HDMI 2.1 support
@@tohuryeah thats bs again, on Arch you install the Nvidia Driver with pacman -s nvidia and U have opencl and all that crap that U dont get with AMD ...
I was thinking of installing windows on a Xiaomi pad 5 to make myself a laptop
That's an android device with a Snapdragon processor, I can't even imagine how hellish it woudl be to get linux on that
Android is (heavily modified) Linux, where Windows is a whole other Kernel with different drivers and other huge huge differences. Something designed for Android is much more likely to play well with Linux than Windows
i am using debian 12 with kde plasma 5.27 on my thinkpad t470 laptop. the wayland is pretty good.
What's happen when you have to attend to a video conference? My experience with Wayland it's always cashing when trying to enter to teams or discord screen sharing
@@imrafiel401 i havent tried video conference but screen recording in obs works fine after installing a package called pipewire-media-session i think.
Maybe try using the web apps? Browsers tend to implement these features before proprietary apps get to updating Electron
Seriously the only thing on my desktop that isn't fully supported is my nvidia card with wayland. some games just have some severe graphical glitches.
other than that though, I can't wait for driver 555 when I can actually play osu and minecraft withotu graphical bugs.
I am running Zorin Os on a new Dell Inspiron with Nvidia 3050 (without touch display) with zero issues and much more battery life than Windows does
acpi patching fixed s3 sleep mode for me had to do some werid stuff though
On my nixos, if i boot normally, my nvidia drivers wont even load and the gpu will be completely powered off so everything runs from my integrated graphics.
I have a specialisation that creates another boot entry for gaming, and when i select it, it will load the Nvidia driver and switch my DE from gdm + gnome to sddm + kde with prime sync enabled.
The best part is it was only around 20 lines in my configuration.nix to do all of this
what about Ubuntu ? 🤔
Ubuntu doesn't address the NVIDIA issues, doesn't have any drivers that you can't get in another distro, and isn't a distro that I use myself. If it made the laptop experience much better than anything else, I'd have mentioned it
btw.. i use..
Gentoo?
there is reason why linux desktop is still 3% thats total of million distros. windows is calculated one bcoz those who install win11 is more stupid than linux installers lol
can i pretty please get a feature
how tf u get this many issues lmfao.
dawg I just pressed a button on ubuntu and it installed perfectly fine. Its all AMD tho which prolly explains alot. But still
Hardware support really is dodgy when it comes to Linux, It's a roll of a dice if it even works... especially on Nvidia stuff
Wifi card support is probably the biggest dice roll IMO although so far i had only 1 laptop where i had to manually download and build wifi drivers and add to dkms and then it would break nearly every kernel update(rolling release distro) so i had to hold off kernel updates until new wifi drivers were up 😂 but otherwise no issues
That's why I'm a 100% AMD boy 😉
Jokes aside, I used a Nvidia GPU in my PC for a short while, and it was so bad i had to switch between different driver versions to play different games...
I also ran Fedora on My Surface book (no eGPU) without any issues.
Yeah, I'd heard bad things about Nvidia drivers on Linux, but also that it "wasn't that bad" nowadays. The driver installation is easy, but not being part of the kernel makes things so much more awkward when in weird setups. Absolutely my next laptop will be all AMD, given how generally excellent my all AMD desktop has been
DAMN !!
Used mostly ATI and then AMD for almost 20 years.
Never faced a single issue, except for those horrible transition phases of gnome 2 to 3 and KDE 3 to 4.
I'm desperately trying to swap my intel and nvidia hardware for an all AMD setup for linux reasons.
Would you recommend I do this? I'm trying to get a new laptop and dual boot Linux on it, but I'm afraid I'll run into compatibility issues for Windows
I'll try to remember to report back after this ryzen and Radeon lappy arrives lol.
i mean u shouldn't run into issues im using intel hardware and linux work fine @@MRJMXHD
@@MRJMXHD Personally, I'd recommend not dual booting.
But, with an All-AMD Machine you probably wont have issues, Windows has the current drivers (I'm using a 7840U Laptop at work) and on Linux you generally get all the drivers directly in the kernel.
I'm currently patiently waiting for my Ryzen Framework laptop, which I have been waiting for basically since the first one was announced.
All AMD here, Works flawlessly to the Tee.
Those beelink devices with ryzen 7000/ddr5 are going to be amazing.
To be fair, the Surface range are an outlier because Microsoft made them with custom components and didn't help with any Linux porting efforts (why would they?). Getting Linux running on the Surface range is a challenge not dissimilar to porting Linux to Apple Silicon laptops.
The sad thing is, both the Surface laptops and the MacBook laptops are the best laptops (build-quality wise) on the market - and neither can run Linux well.
It's true that Surface laptops are less Linux compatible by default, but they also benefit from a large community that builds fixes for the issues faced. When I got this laptop, Linux support was "very high" on my priorities, but not a 100% necessary feature, where now it is, and I just wouldn't buy anything without it.
This laptop definitely makes Linux more awkward, but most issues could pop up on many other machines too
Since I'm a Void Linux fanboy, I wonder if that would make any difference lol
Not using systemd, being an independent distro (so not being supported by Linux-Surface or NVIDIA directly), and just generally not being very popular would probably make it super awkward on my laptop. That in mind, it should still be possible to get everything working fine
@@issacdowling yeah it wasn't really a serious suggestion anyway, Surface is way too nieche of a laptop I guess
Interesting video, I’m running Alma Linux 9.4 on a thinkpad t470 with no issues and the battery life is pretty decent. I did notice a battery life improvement on rhel compatible distros from versions 8 to 9.
On my first gaming laptop and my first pc i built, linux ran attrocious, i had the same bugs, games ran awful and it wasnt a good experience and it really put me off linux, i just built an AMD pc and linux games run phenomonal and windows games dont run that great.
Fantastic video.
my moms old dual graphics hp laptop, THICK and heavy, but a proper desktop replacement with dvd writer n everything, no touch screen, but the intel... whatever... and the radeon 6250 with dual screen support, NO PROBLEMS with slackware. multitouch on the touchpad, works fine. i think, next chance i get, i'll plug a touchscreen into it and see how it does, the screen works perfectly with mint... can't be worse than basic support. for carrying my laptop around, i get used to suspending to disk.
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my xp pen tablet has a lunix driver software but it never works lol
also camera, gpu, microphone are not woking
i can think of one os where the hardware DOES work exactly as intended
Definitely not Windows on this laptop,
You must mean OpenBSD
way too much work lol
For some people, if they're not too committed to Linux, it definitely would be too much work. It's also probably too much work if you bought a laptop with Linux in mind that requires this much messing. This kind of stuff is still important for people who switch to Linux using hardware they've already got
With wayland being dead and worthless software, I am not sure why people keep telling us to switch away from Xorg.
You can dislike Wayland and prefer X, and that's personal preference, but have you been keeping up at all? Wayland progress is anything but dead.
Yeah... wayland by default is going to be the standard (forced) soon like it or not. Xorg development has been dying for years. It is what it is.
Another kid that talks about linux.
It's good to see!
We need more people talking about Linux so it gets more features and apps built for it, leading to widespread adoption.