Or maybe they could spend their time and our money figuring out a way to pay the workers good wages that keep up with inflation and then some and a way to keep the CEO and other company officers from being paid 465 times what the average line worker makes. Or, they could do battle with the hospital and drug industries to keep medical costs within this stratosphere and save themselves and their employees money. They could save enough that they could learn to build cars that weren't made of plastic and tinfoil and would hold up in a 3 mph collision without causing $25,000 in damage. I guess they would rather spend their time invading your privacy and exerting as much control over your life as they possibly can.
Honestly, a private citizen should have patented this and locked it in a safe so no one else can do it without violating your patent. Locked in a safe, by a good natured citizen that believes in the Constitution.
I agree in a sense that I always drive the speed limit and see cops pass me all the time but you never know if they're on an active call or just got an active call and haven't had time to turn their lights on yet
I almost hit an officer who did not yield while I was straight on a green light. He pulled someone over. About a week later I was pulled over from my night shift and ticketed. I did deserve it, but so did the cop who almost caused a wreck to write a ticket.
@UnseemlyGenie00 still against the law for them to speed without lights. We've had multiple troopers charged for causing accidents where their has bern deaths, even with lights on.
You have to speed when you're driving a cop car. Everyone is afraid to pass you. If you do the speed limit, it makes a huge backup of traffic behind you, and that creates an even bigger safety hazard.
I wish this was true but I'm not convinced that would be the result. The amount of data collection (which often ends up in the hands of police either via subpoenas or by simply buying the data) consumers already tolerate is absurd.
@@ninjalectualx Yes it is actually, the flow of traffic is the actual safe speed, and thats often above the limit. But the issue is also about being spied on and reported, and thats a giant no go. Ford would be very dumb to pursue this.
They snuck it into the inflation reduction act. 2025 here we come!!!!! Theres going to be a privacy policy that no body reads for all the cameras monitoring the insides and outside of the car.
I am just wondering why people put up with logos and brand names, including from the dealer itself, on their automobile. There are relatively few NASCAR and other drivers actually getting paid for this, but it is an insanely rampant practise. It is not my fault that vehicles are so similarly designed these days, that few can identify make and model without it being spelled out. If Lexus wants its branding to stay on _my_ SUV, then they need to pay *me* and make sure that I am OK with the amount; otherwise, it comes off as soon as possible. Dealers, obviously, can’t or won’t do it but can and do remove their own markers, in my experiences. If a manufacturer does anything to produce revenue for themselves from a product without compensating the actual owner with a _fair share,_ this should be construed as illegal use of private property. I even set my _home_ address on the satnav to a specific and very public facing location several blocks away. So any data gleaned from this is totally useless for the rare occasions that I need general directions back from a great distance. It was hard deciding between an ophthalmologist, sharing an office building with a otolaryngology practise, or a proctologist centre. Had the ear and eye surgeons been doctors Cheech and Chong, well, that place would already be a tourist trap worthy of a gift shoppe. So, I ultimately chose the proctology centre. It also seemed more fitting for the kinds of moosetrumpets, who snoop and target marks.
@@pocket5751 Guess drop our insurance because EV losses raised all rates to much kids get those ones you start for 30 bucks but forget to pay other premiums. Then if caught they pay another 30 for another new card if you have to see judge tell him it was an accidental lapse in coverage. because everything already gone kids say good luck can’t get money from a turnup
It's not just you it plans on snitching on, it's other drivers as well. Shows how far companies/the government will go if you let them. This needs to be stopped.
@@pocket5751 Yes insurance rates are really going to climb and sales plummet do we need these fascist and Marxist planning for us they need to lay off just because you can doesn’t mean you should program things like fail-safe a feature to protects the vehicle but can get you killed if it happens at the wrong time. Sad thing is engineers want to please and CEO bend to whatever nonsense comes along making cost escalate to point some can’t buy. Old cars might get priceless not having these features. I have two friends who don’t like any features that do not seem to be beneficial they tour factory in Germany 🇩🇪 then have their new vehicles delivered to Italy apparently Italy 🇮🇹 doesn’t allow features that hamper design. They never speed but didn’t like idea of factory setting limits so their Mercedes can go near 200 mph they never will but it’s the principal they say. The ones in Germany are speed limited lower. Now adding extra features what could go wrong. I know someone who family seems to gotten a good pay-out when their family member may have been killed by drive-by-wire issue they blamed the driver but you only moving a what is basically a joy stick the ECM is doing the driving and braking. We don’t hear about this because families have to sign nondisclosures however looking across the street it seems evident they got a fair payday. Knowing they only had a small life insurance policy and minimal accounts in the bank. Now if they could build affordable vehicles that might be different. Does not really affect me because I will just trade vehicle in if any indication that it acts up. Some of the programming really adds nice features to work automatically but again for how long. What ever happened to good and simple transportation?
Besides, disabling this will not protect you because everyone around you will be reporting on you. That's the trick here. Once deployed, the 1% who disable these will have no effect.
I can see the board at ford sitting around saying "what can we do to ensure we lose tons of sales". Someone replies "how about we have cars give speeding tickets to the owner of the car and everyone around them!". President "Perfect!"
I was in Shanghai several years ago. Riding in the bosses car, we got on the freeway and I noticed multiple 'sensor bars' erected across the roadway, the sort of thing you see on electronic toll roads. I asked the boss what they were? He proudly stated they were cameras, and if he sped, or did some other bad driving thing, the cameras would automatically pick it up, read his license plate, and text him with his picture with a message stating he'd been caught doing something and to pay this fine by clicking a link. It was SO efficient. It was terrifying. And this is EXACTLY what TPTB what for us. We need to block ANY semblance of this sort of trash from reaching our shores. The moment we start doing what the Chinese government is doing to it's citizens we've ALL lost. And to those claiming "if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about", history has proven you wrong, DEADLY wrong, many times.
What needs to change in the United States is that the collection of direct or indirect personal data needs to ALWAYS be an opt-in process, and not require an explicit opt-out action by the person whose data is being collected.
I think the manufacturers should also include technologies that gives it's customers live data on the police: location, pullover rates in specific areas, AI legal advice if you do get pulled over, the personnel records of each police department, the ability to file a complaint directly and immediately about abusive cops, all from our cars!!!
Ford isn't doing this on their own. The marxist government we have is pushing them to do it. We need to start abolishing these federal depts starting with the Dept of education that was formed in 1978 specifically to push socialist and communist ideology in our schools.
5:36 they can’t get a warrant, so all they have to do is send an empty envelope to your home via fedex and then ask FedEx for the video data. That is definitely an end run around the Constitution.
I very much doubt it .... Compliant and Obedient Order Following 🐑 are comfortable with 24/7 surveillance..... "It is Difficult to Free Fools from the Chains They Revere." ~ Voltaire ~
Istg we need to go back to cars from 2013. Keep the AC/heated seats and Bluetooth. Get rid of everything else which sells our location, reports people to police or selling you machinery that you then have to pay a monthly subscription to use.
Lol. Didn't stop people from buying phones. Car's not any different when it comes to necessity. Tech needs to be reigned in and not allowed to be deployed until it's been approved by the government and it's use strictly monitored for abuse and exploitation by the corporations and the tech company themselves. Laws before deployment. Not deployment before law's and there needs to be extreme punishment for anyone using the tech against anyone who unknowingly has been exploited by the tech corporations and the government
This reminds me of that scene in the Fifth Element where the taxi driver is speeding and his car tells him he’s speeding and prints out a ticket from the dashboard and eventually just slows down the car for the cops to come get him.
@@stephenbenner4353 In The Fifth Element, the car computer just says "One Point Has Been Removed From Your License" after each incident. There's no ticket issued. Demolition Man is famous for the running gag of the MC swearing and a recorded female voice intoning "you have been fined one credit for violation of the verbal morality act" and a nearby ticket issuing machine spits out a ticket.
@@lgDukeCity5018Demolition Man plus Idiocracy plus Brazil plus 1984 plus Brave New World plus The Matrix plus Logan's Run, with all the negatives, but none of the positives.
Y'all do realise that car insurance companies already harvest geolocation and accelerometer data from 3rd party apps on your phone to adjust your rates, right? Our phones are snitching on us more than any car ever could. For the record, that's a fucking violation of our privacy for their financial gain. My reply keeps getting nuked so I'm spamming it around. Cry about it.
Y'all do realise that car insurance companies already harvest geolocation and accelerometer data from 3rd party apps on your phone to adjust your rates, right? Our phones are snitching on us more than any car ever could. For the record, that's a fucking violation of our privacy for their financial gain. My reply keeps getting nuked so I'm spamming it around. Cry about it.
Fun Fact: in South Carolina, law enforcement may not issue a ticket for speeding or running a red light unless an officer actually performs a traffic stop. South Carolina Code 56-7-35. I suspect drivers in many other states would benefit from a similar law.
In some places, they've directed police to not conduct most traffic stops (mostly for silly partisan/kneejerk reasons), so it would literally make running a red light an unenforceable law in those areas.
Your location can still be reported then police can have someone intercept you, or based on historical data, they can know where to hide their patrol to do such.
"Those who have nothing to hide, have nothing to fear." The fools who preach that forget that humans make assumptions! Remember, failing to follow the herd can be interpreted as "suspicious behavior". Do we really want to live that way?
It only highlights something I've been saying for years: it isn't about public safety it's about control and extorting money from the poor and working people.
Capitalism is the exploitation of the working class for profit by the capitalist (employer) class via the private ownership of industry, which the capitalist state enforces. This is just capitalism doing what it does.
@@ninjalectualxI know right..... Our heroes in blue have really been cracking down on DUI's but for some weird reason the amount of alcohol related accidents keep going up........ 🤔🤨
I have read some of your previous comments and they are not very popular. Those that are willing to sacrifice liberty for a feeling of safety deserve neither. @@ninjalectualx
I had a fun similar experience in a car with "advanced" safety equipment, except it was the car itself trying to steer into oncoming traffic because I wasn't in the middle of the lane. On a one lane road, with traffic travelling both directions 😂😭 I swear, these "safety" features are going to kill us all
Had the crash saftey system turn on and lock wheel in on Ford transit scared the crap out of me found out thiers a sensor in front that picks up objects that wasn't cleaned. We also have one of those mercedes with the lane assist that helps keep wheel straight when wind blows van ends up keeping you on the line stupid saftey no sense is only useful if you can't drive.
So here's a thought. Video evidence can be seized by law enforcement for investigative reasons. I am a member of a drone unit for a local jurisdiction, used for fires, haz-mat incidents, lost persons, and law enforcement backup. We were told to NEVER use our personnel drones during a dispatched incident, because a defense lawyer may seize the drone, along with the video footage, for court action. Imagine if your Ford recorded a felony as your driving along, and your car is seized for evidentiary purposes, because it recorded something...
That's completely different. What your doing is a contractor. When working for the government anyone can foi your personal equipment when used at work.
Oh, they know. It’s not “newsworthy” enough to panic the populace. It isn’t violent, it isn’t dangerous, though it is very relevant, anything that usurps rights or makes companies money isn’t ultimately in our best interests to know.
I do have a problem with the government and corporations tracking my location all the time. It is an invasion of privacy even if we are in a public location. A few years ago, I found a GPS watch at the lake near my home in the mud. I charged it up and used the location data from that watch to locate the owner. Location data is very powerful information and the government and corporations should not, by law, be allowed to mass surveil the public.
lol no. Mary Barra-GM will snitch on you in a heart-beat. There is a good chance Ford patented this to prevent others from implementing it not so they could implement it.
I’ve been spouting this technology to my friends for the past two years. Motorcycle Companies are considering on having it on their bikes where it broadcasts identifiable information via transponders. Heres a fun one that I’ve worked on in 2017: The headrest can read your brain waves to tell if you’re sleepy.
Ford also patented a software that would let your car repossess itself if you got delinquent in your payments several months ago. I guess they don’t want to sell anymore cars or trucks. they should focus more on building vehicles that aren’t recalled every other week
Don't you think Ford knows that this wouldn't go over well with customers? What gets patented has very little to do with what winds up in products; something the press gets very wrong.
If that patent extends to locking the doors, imagine some helpless young adult. First their vehicle is remotely disabled, then their vehicle is remotely locked. And… it _keeps_ locking / local unlock is disabled. And the window rolling feature is disabled. Scary stuff!
Of course, why would your car squeal to the cops? They would just self report to the courts and a ticket would be issued. Maybe even be auto deducted from your bank account like tollpass.
Cars can already do that. This would be "This is Steves car, he is doing 10 over the speed limit. Also Suzi's car is doing 12 over the speed limit, Fred's is doing 20 over the speed limit and changed lanes twice without signalling, Tom's is doing 15 over the limit and has a cracked windshield and a broken taillight lens, Debbie's is going 12 over the limit and she is texting on her phone, Bill's is going 15 over the limit and he has a MAGA hat on, Jerry's is going exactly the speed limit and is probably doing so to avoid being pulled over because he has cash or drugs in the car."
I fully agree. Subscription services, tracking your info and now monitoring other vehicles, all for profit on something you purchased. There has to be pushback, but America consumers haven't shown we are that smart.
Im smart enough to realize it, but unfortunately im financially unable to fight a corporation in a justice system that serves them first and foremost. All i can do is not buy their crap and prevent fueling their funding. Ive swore off ever buying a new car simply due to the absurd prices a few years ago (92k for a damned f-250), scored a 30 year old ranger for $500 in a private sale instead.
This sounds like a great way to 1) make a ton of people boycott your vehicles out of privacy concerns, and 2) encourage other people (especially criminals) to start harassing your customers for spying on them with their Ford vehicle.
Ford would be stupid not to patent this. When this sort of tech becomes mandatory in Europe (which it will eventually). They will have to license it from Ford. Here at home nobody will want to pay for all of that data, certainly not the vehicle owner. I know I would just snip snip the antenna.
Lets not forget rhe 2026 regs allowing police to monitor conversations in your vehicle or kill your ignition. If we have cars that can narc you out there is the ability to keep you from driving in the event of a paperwork error or the ability to keep you from getting a loved one or an injured passenger to medical care.😮
My 2019 Equinox was illegally borrowed by a neighbor a few years ago...OnStar said they could shut the vehicle down if I wished to do that. What's to prevent LE from doing just that...
I wonder what it would be like to have a branch of government that was of the people & for the people. The judicial branch is supposed to protect our rights.
I have a 53 year perfect driving record. Still, when shopping for insurance, companies say "We'll give you a discount if you put our "monitor" in your car !" Wait a minute...Why ? You can legally look, I can't lie. But if I don't, the price is outrageous. Thankfully, I found a smaller company who will look at my record, and charge a tiny bit more than their "discount". This looks like an extension of that technology, with the potential to take it to a monstrous extreme. It must be stopped !
Either the easy way or the hard way with these kinds of things. I'm worried because I saw my health insurer offering to give me a free apple watch to do the same thing as those discount modules. Just waiting for it to no longer be optional
Got in a 2023 F450 chassis in a coach & was presented with a warning on the dash "data sharing enabled". Made sure to turn off my bluetooth immediately.
My favorite J. Edger Hoover Quote is: "Justice is incidental to Law and Order." The state gains from having the choice of what to prosecute. The unequal application of law is a path to power. It gives the state the ability to choose who gets the friction from acting normally. In addition if the state runs short of money, the state might decide to tighten the laws so traffic fines can be increased. An example is Florence, Italy, 2008 traffic fines of 52 million euros, 2018 traffic fines of 480 million euros, counting fines for late payment sold to US debit collection agencies. What a lucrative business.
Steve, I agree with you. We have to draw the line somewhere. These car makers (or any manufacturer these days) will try to push the limits and see what they can get away with, but it's up to us to make it widely known and stop it. Our devices are supposed to serve us, not rat on us or others, or do unpaid work for the police.
I used to work for a 3 letter agency that disabled every GM vehicle’s On-Star devices and antennas. They were aware of On-Star being able to listen to encrypted traffic taking place inside of the vehicles.
Stop making stuff up to try to get attention. They could NOT magically decrypt heavily encrypted CIA stuff, for example. Even PGP security is very good (until good enough quantum computers are practical), if you just use a SERIOUSLY long key (like several K, for example). And good PC's are fast enough that encrypting at that level is still fairly quick.
It’s not about breaking the law, it’s about corporations profiting off our personal data. And if they’re providing that data to the police, they’re essentially doing an end run around the 4th Amendment, whether we’re guilty or not.
Government and police: "If you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about!" Also government and police: "How DARE you suggest that we submit to surveillance during our professional activities! Expecting us to tolerate badge cams and regular oversight is absolutely unacceptable!!!"
Nailed it! Some time ago I posted a comment the soon, "Your car would report your speed and location to police. "Dear Me Lehto, on August 3rd your car reported that you were traveling on South Main st at 40 miles per hour. The speed limit for that street is 35 MPH. Enclosed is a speeding ticket. Please pay promptly" "To Serve and Protect""
And if you don't pay...those "self driving" cars will pay you a visit. Don't forget the amazon delivery drones overhead, bet HOAs will pay to get that data...
As a private investigator, we use what's called "seen here". UPS, FedEx, Tow Trucks, and police all use the same tech to record ALL license plates they drive past. This data is not expensive, and we use it to locate claimants, criminals, etc. Or determine what cars are at a residence, and then we can run that plate and discover to whom the vehicle is registered. Scary shit, right? Car in your driveway, on the street near your residence, Safeway parking lot, again, etc.
Most likely it will be the same as traffic cameras which take a photo of your license plate and whoever owns the car will get a ticket through the mail.
@@unitedstatian Those are simple to fight when they dont have full pictures of the car and the driver. If they can not prove who was driving it they can not ticket it. Ive tried to subpoena the camera operator and when it failed 3 tickets got threw out.
@@cheeto4493 Life, Was pretty easy and it was good if you found the right place to succeed. So are things today but they are getting so much more challenging for our youth they need more choices or able to feel they have way to improve a chance to rise. Raising minimum doesn’t help much if government spending causes inflation to go up and just steal their increase back? Guess American dreams may have to change but should they. We need to find ways for youth to feel like they can succeed. Many still do even in this much harder environment in last few years that seemed to have caused. We need more labor but screen those illegal if they have history of violence help those go back. Stop the crazy ideas of benefits for illegals before our own born here and those already sworn in why don’t get the same why don’t our veterans come 1st. Please Love USA 🇺🇸 first if there is still enough then you can fund whatever you want but after you take care of home 1st. USA First. There no need to make us a 3rd world country lowering taxes might spur growth when look at states who done that seem they become more productive and tax revenue increase even create excess. Interesting words spoken action seem different than words spoken. Actions matter.
I read a book in high school that was required in English class. Nineteen Eighty-four, a novel by English author George Orwell published in 1949 as a warning against totalitarianism. We thought then, NO WAY this could happen. Now I KNOW, it can't be stopped.
@@strat5395 You are so right it just took 40 more years 2024 instead of 1984. Too bad it seems government is bent on a police state. There are those in Congress who try to stop it or at least make sure it fair or has a few rules. Not Kamala. However John, Don, Ron, Ted, Roger, Maria and others just hope they keep rights to free speech free. Parents should decide what their kids see not large Tech unless parents can define what best for their child. Plus if they sell your info you should get the money it’s your data. They going to have to give away these vehicles if they use these features like that. Often starts out well then gets abused. Might be ok handled like they use to on phones but that might be getting to lacks.
@@lacesout8292 Hope so because I can see all kind of abuses that could happen not say they will but when I lived in Los Angeles California and areas around like South Pasadena I saw a lot of abuses. So much so they eventually had to remove all equipment but the equipment that actually belong to the city itself contracted equipment was writing so many false tickets in error and users found they hadn’t the authority to give them. Only red light camera that’s operating in error now is near the VA hospital in west Los Angeles most pay the ticket think city was trying to decide not make give you a points against you but just send you a bill not sure what they decided. At Alameda near Union Station it has a camera and also has an additional camera and I believe a PD officer at a desk can hit a ticket no ticket go no go button and citation won’t be written unless it is a blatant violation. Hard to beat human interaction, AI not real ready yet but may be at some point. AI can do some task not all yet.
I've been saying this about technology in general for years. Millennials walking around with more computing power in one hand than the entire Apollo program combined and the best then can manage is hunting pokemon for a selfie.
@@dougyoung221 Agree. I say a firm NO to self driving cars. Will never ride in one, certainly will never own one. It is not about safety, it is all about control/
I'm pretty sure my insurance company is selling my information. Yesterday, my 20 year old daughter got something from an out of state Audi dealer. She drives a Bronco Sport, I drive the Audi, and both cars are in my name. The only place the people and cars are mentioned together is my insurance policy. 3 cars(all in my name), 3 drivers, and 1 policy. All 3 drivers are authorized to drive any of the 3 cars. I don't know how an out of state car dealer that I've never dealt with could come up with that information. It wasn't random, because they mentioned the model I own specifically.
I don't do I insurance apps just for this reason. Unfortunately a lot of car companies are selling your data. I haven't heard of it yet but I suspect it will happen soon where police download from your car computers for evidence. They already do it in accident cases. ( except for when they hit someone)
LOL. I would dare to bet 100 people in these comments could find out what the third car on that policy is and your wife's maiden name in less than day.
Here it's a Camry, an Alabama-built Odyssey and Honda ST1100 motorcycle. My Mooney 231 airplane is American but its remanufactured Continental TSIO360 engine is built by a Chinese-owned, US-based company.
Just so you know, it didnt go straight from 'full analog' to "super computer spying on you' cars. You can pretty much tell that if any car gathers outside information (OEM dash unit can connect to your phone, car has GPS) then their is an increasing chance as the model year gets younger, that its collecting your data. And just for reference, even if you're driving a "full analog car", it wont do much if you still have a smart phone on you collecting even more information on you (aside from sudden braking/accelerating that is).
I always figured we'd have mandatory self-driving on freeways/turnpikes at some point to eliminate traffic problems (like the cool bits of Minority Report), but no, we're going the creepy surveillance state predictive crime part of Minority Report instead. Yikes.
Here is an idea for a law. Any data sold to or purchased by government from a private company has to be made simultaneously available to the public unless a warrant was issued specifically for that information. In addition, any government owned cameras recording public places must have a public feed so anyone can access their information. When cops and politicians are speeding and drunk driving, all those public cameras that capture that, should be accessible to anyone who wants to request an investigation or to cite them. I suspect all those cameras would dissappear overnight and all those deals with companies would be ended.
This is actually just a 'twist' on what is already happening with most new cars sold in the US today. Today most new cars are equipped with multiple computer systems that monitor the status of the vehicle and report it back to the manufacturer. This includes information on the owner's driving habits. For example, on my new KIA there is a display on the bottom of the instrument cluster indicating the speed limit of the road you are driving on. This indicator with display the speed in black if you are below the limit or red if you are exceeding the limit. This information is stored and transmitted back to KIA. Potentially this can then be sold to other entities such as insurance companies who can then use this data to alter your insurance rates or even potentially cancel you policy.
Obviously, they'd [try to] prevent that. Whether they can do so effectively is yet to be seen. Like that Louis Rossmann video about Beemer trying to charge you a subscription to use your heated seats. The heating element still has power wires, yes? (to be fair, in his latest video about Hoover, he acknowledged his tendency and that of all his aspie listeners to immediately go to the obvious tech workaround instead of confronting and disincentivizing the premise the bad guys push)
Start with unscrewing the antenna, it's the weakest link between the vehicle and the net 😎 Then, watch videos on disabling 'Ford Telematics' and 'Fordpass' to locate and identify the relevant fuses 👍
Last year I opted out of using the Ford app. The choice was let us track you or you cannot use the app. I paid for the truck not renting it. Shame we are losing control of things we have purchased. ☕️☕️🎶🎵🎶
I can see it now, there will come a time when you will have to utilize the app to access certain useful, popular or necessary features that will make it almost impossible to enjoy the use of your vehicle without it. That’s how they’ll get us, to keep us from opting out!! And of course we won’t find this out until after we’ve purchased the vehicle!! 😡
My initial reaction is to ask, "How does the system know who is driving the speeding car? Because, a vehicle is not a person who can be ticketed. A vehicle does not have a drivers license that can be revoked. A vehicle cannot be convicted of a crime. And, in a courtroom, the state must be able to prove that a specific person was driving the car that was ticketed for speeding.
@@richardowens9061 It works just like red light cameras and toll violations. Tickets mailed to registered owner; DL points not involved; vehicle registrations affected if fine not paid; court evidence rules will be changed to accommodate the collection of additional ticket revenue.
My deceased mother in law would block cars she thought were speeding by pacing a car beside her. She would also write down license numbers and call the Police. They told her repeatedly they wouldn't do anything because they had to see it for themselves. She didn't see anything wrong with this. If she had a Ford that could send info to the police she would have. So, this technology would let someone who thinks your speeding whether you are or not send your cars info to the Police. They would be over whelmed with reports from busy bodies. For instance out here in the west the Police won't even look at you if your doing just 10 mph over. On the other hand the average driver can let them know you are if they think you are.. If the technology can't tell how fast a car is actually going then it's worthless information for the Police. Also out here the State Troopers are few and far between. Our local Sheriff is more concerned with crime not speeding.
It being a revenue stream isn't the issue, the way it makes itself the revenue stream is. I'm not spending $60k on a car for it to add technology I don't need to send my information to people I don't want it to go to.
2-08-2024. Dear S, Lehto. I used to work in the Automotive R/D, in the USA & here in Germany, we talked about future advancements, black box's are coming, so are A,I, smart cars, just you wait.
If you think you need an apostrophe for a simple plural (box's), I don't trust your education level enough to believe you know what you're talking about.
Black boxes are already here, they use the data recorded in vehicle accident investigations. Speed of vehicle, throttle position, brake activation are all logged.
Your vehicle don't have to narc you out, the other ones on the road around you do, that's the loophole so they can say 'We' aren't 'spying' on 'you', and that they're doing it, you know, FOR YOUR SAFETY.
Surly you misquoted for your safety! It always for officer safety above everyone else. That's why QI is used when police raid the wrong house with a no knock raid and shoot an innocent homeowner who didn't know who it was due to no knock and bright lights gets eliminated holding a gun. Some of these swat teams don't wear camera so the only person to testify is the raid officers who never lie. Police never lie right?
Sadly, I don't think it's that cut and dry. That only applies to government entities and Ford is a private company, and police aren't required to ignore voluntary tips.
@@Vaquero4382 You are so right but many are unaware of that. You have to be aware of history. They point toward the wrong guy when really they are far closer to it. Plus whats worse and people buy in to it in their ignorance. Thanks for mentioning that. Just hope youth have knowledge of those times.
even motorcycles are gonna head in this direction with more bikes coming with computer controlled throttles, radar, and connected instrumentation systems. I'll hold on to my 1984 BMW for now
About the Fed Ex trucks spying on people - This sounds like a good time to use private EULAs posted at each entry to your property. Each EULA can provide the basic info about limitations placed on any data/audio/video that is gathered by any company's agent/vehicle that comes on your property or collects data/audio/video pertaining to your property from somewhere else. That data is for sale by the property owner and any collection of it is an agreement to the contract for sale of it. Prices are listed online and may change without notice. That's the same style of EULA that websites are allowed to use for restricting their info, so it should work for the real world, too.
After a mandatory opt out clause, the cars will then be sold to customers with a one-time $50 discount for their permission to forever gather the data. And a significant amount of people will take the $50.
@@ra2186: They made some great cars in the 60's (like the Mustang). Since the 70's when things like catalytic converters became mandatory, for example, NOT SO MUCH.
@@ryanlarson4700: When nearly all video screens in cars are failing within a decade, be sure and get back to us. All electronics aren't bad. The diagnostic electronics in car systems like the transmission, engine, etc. are fantastic, re finding things early and helping keep cars running longer.
For anyone curious on why this should be wrong; 1) You are paying extra for this service if you have it on a car, in some way or another, along with possibly other idiotics such as subscription seat warmers. 2) There are already cases of sudden evasion of objects, cars, or people in the road that should not be there adding to insurance policies. You think this won't be used against you every time you have to speed up to get around some nimrod who drives dangerously?
The new F450 and up are governed at 80-85mph max but here in Texas if you are not towing a trailer you can legally drive these at up to 90mph. Big government and Ford are bringing big brother to everyone today...
I can see not having your car spy on you, but use the technology for good. Use the GPS data to limit the governed speed to what the actual road limits are
Agree with you 100%. Too much of our lives are already on display for the world to see. Don't need snitching cars. And as you say, this information is the property of the car owner, not for distribution to law enforcement.
My current car is 14 years old and I really enjoy it. With all the new stuff going into cars I am less interested in replacing it with each passing year. I have no idea why people are so obsessed with buying new cars rather than maintaining what they have, unless it's a Ford.
Patents can also be used to document an idea/process to prevent it from being implemented at all. Back in the 70/80s car manufactures patented several things to increase fuel mileage but were never implemented. For the sole purpose of eliminating foreign competition in higher mileage cars. Once the patents expired you saw a huge impact in increased MPG. Can't recall them all, but had a book in the 90s that explained several of these that were created for that reason.
Introducing the all new Ford Narc.
Lol that's pretty good.
😂😂😂❤
The "Ratmobile"?
The Karenator
lol very good
My old car gets better and better, every single day!!!
2010 Mustang 5-speed manual transmission. No bluetooth...no XM radio... I'm good
68 Mustang, radio was optional.
I intentionally purchase cars from 2010 and older. I hate things being done automatically for me or things about me being reported.
Convinced the '96 Camry 4 banger automatic was perfect
AMEN
Ford needs to patent ways to reduce the dozens of recalls on their crappy cars!😡
They could do that by building a quality product at a reasonable price. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
I owned one several years ago and after dealing with that company none of this comes as a surprise.
Maybe they could get transmissions that don't quit before the car has hundred thousand miles on it.
Like I needed another reason NOT to buy a Ford.
Or maybe they could spend their time and our money figuring out a way to pay the workers good wages that keep up with inflation and then some and a way to keep the CEO and other company officers from being paid 465 times what the average line worker makes. Or, they could do battle with the hospital and drug industries to keep medical costs within this stratosphere and save themselves and their employees money. They could save enough that they could learn to build cars that weren't made of plastic and tinfoil and would hold up in a 3 mph collision without causing $25,000 in damage. I guess they would rather spend their time invading your privacy and exerting as much control over your life as they possibly can.
Imagine putting this much effort into stopping violent crime.
Yeah. Like idk actually putting criminals in prison instead of the catch and release system some places have now
Right.. what a novel concept.. !! I agree with you.. 10 fold
Violent crime cost money. Speeding gives them money
Or preventing a potential assassination attempt on a former president...
Or closing the borders, especially the southern one?
George Orwells' Estate needs to sue Ford for trademark infringement.
also Ford needs to rename themselves the 'Rat-Bastard Snitch Kar Kompany'.
so everyone knows what they bought.
Honestly, a private citizen should have patented this and locked it in a safe so no one else can do it without violating your patent.
Locked in a safe, by a good natured citizen that believes in the Constitution.
Did you know that the GO estate has authorized a rewrite?
As a truck driver, the biggest speeders I see are the Police.
I agree in a sense that I always drive the speed limit and see cops pass me all the time but you never know if they're on an active call or just got an active call and haven't had time to turn their lights on yet
I almost hit an officer who did not yield while I was straight on a green light. He pulled someone over. About a week later I was pulled over from my night shift and ticketed. I did deserve it, but so did the cop who almost caused a wreck to write a ticket.
@UnseemlyGenie00 still against the law for them to speed without lights. We've had multiple troopers charged for causing accidents where their has bern deaths, even with lights on.
You have to speed when you're driving a cop car. Everyone is afraid to pass you. If you do the speed limit, it makes a huge backup of traffic behind you, and that creates an even bigger safety hazard.
If police didn't speed a little,traffic would back up.
Hahaha sounds like ford dont wanna sell any more vehicles
@@ninjalectualx Yup...lol
I wish this was true but I'm not convinced that would be the result. The amount of data collection (which often ends up in the hands of police either via subpoenas or by simply buying the data) consumers already tolerate is absurd.
then turn off and throw away your phone and any other mobile devices that you have. they basically do the same thing with your data.
FACTS!
@@ninjalectualx Yes it is actually, the flow of traffic is the actual safe speed, and thats often above the limit. But the issue is also about being spied on and reported, and thats a giant no go. Ford would be very dumb to pursue this.
The fact that people are ok with this is astounding
Preservatives in food are finally showing their mental destructive benefits. Agenda 2030 is coming.
Those are the people who need to be told how to live. Can’t think for themselves. Aka sheep
They snuck it into the inflation reduction act. 2025 here we come!!!!! Theres going to be a privacy policy that no body reads for all the cameras monitoring the insides and outside of the car.
They are all sheep now , the wolves are only about 30k in the whole US , the other 330 mil. Ppl are definitely sheep. Which means we are fucked
@@MHangman7678 I wouldn't be so sure. Even the French ppl revolted
If my car is snitching, I need a paycheck from the city.
How about all the lost time sitting in court when you receive a subpoena to testify as a witness when the other driver contests the ticket?
@@waggtech4883 They're gonna need a bigger witness stand. Some of those Ford trucks are pretty large.
Snitches get stitches
@@MonkeyJedi99
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I am just wondering why people put up with logos and brand names, including from the dealer itself, on their automobile. There are relatively few NASCAR and other drivers actually getting paid for this, but it is an insanely rampant practise. It is not my fault that vehicles are so similarly designed these days, that few can identify make and model without it being spelled out. If Lexus wants its branding to stay on _my_ SUV, then they need to pay *me* and make sure that I am OK with the amount; otherwise, it comes off as soon as possible. Dealers, obviously, can’t or won’t do it but can and do remove their own markers, in my experiences. If a manufacturer does anything to produce revenue for themselves from a product without compensating the actual owner with a _fair share,_ this should be construed as illegal use of private property.
I even set my _home_ address on the satnav to a specific and very public facing location several blocks away. So any data gleaned from this is totally useless for the rare occasions that I need general directions back from a great distance. It was hard deciding between an ophthalmologist, sharing an office building with a otolaryngology practise, or a proctologist centre. Had the ear and eye surgeons been doctors Cheech and Chong, well, that place would already be a tourist trap worthy of a gift shoppe. So, I ultimately chose the proctology centre. It also seemed more fitting for the kinds of moosetrumpets, who snoop and target marks.
I want to face my accuser. Oh it's my car! You best call the fire department, this traffic stop just turned into a car fire.
@@pocket5751 Guess drop our insurance because EV losses raised all rates to much kids get those ones you start for 30 bucks but forget to pay other premiums. Then if caught they pay another 30 for another new card if you have to see judge tell him it was an accidental lapse in coverage. because everything already gone kids say good luck can’t get money from a turnup
It's not just you it plans on snitching on, it's other drivers as well. Shows how far companies/the government will go if you let them. This needs to be stopped.
Yes it did
@@pocket5751 Yes insurance rates are really going to climb and sales plummet do we need these fascist and Marxist planning for us they need to lay off just because you can doesn’t mean you should program things like fail-safe a feature to protects the vehicle but can get you killed if it happens at the wrong time.
Sad thing is engineers want to please
and CEO bend to whatever nonsense comes along making cost escalate to point some can’t buy. Old cars might get priceless not having these features. I have two friends who don’t like any features that do not seem to be beneficial they tour factory in Germany 🇩🇪 then have their new vehicles delivered to Italy apparently Italy 🇮🇹 doesn’t allow features that hamper design. They never speed but didn’t like idea of factory setting limits so their Mercedes can go near 200 mph they never will but it’s the principal they say. The ones in Germany are speed limited lower. Now adding extra features what could go wrong. I know someone who family seems to gotten a good pay-out when their family member may have been killed by drive-by-wire issue they blamed the driver but you only moving a what is basically a joy stick the ECM is doing the driving and braking. We don’t hear about this because families have to sign nondisclosures however looking across the street it seems evident they got a fair payday. Knowing they only had a small life insurance policy and minimal accounts in the bank. Now if they could build affordable vehicles that might be different. Does not really affect me because I will just trade vehicle in if any indication that it acts up. Some of the programming really adds nice features to work automatically but again for how long.
What ever happened to good and simple transportation?
One thing about it, there is going to be a growing industry in disabling all of this surveillance equipment.
Just wait until the grafted out crooks who create laws make it illegal to tamper with them.
Unfortunately they now have kill switches in all the cars
Wonder why ?
Besides, disabling this will not protect you because everyone around you will be reporting on you. That's the trick here. Once deployed, the 1% who disable these will have no effect.
@@Blueberrythegreat I'd mention why, but I'm on UA-cam's naughty list and can only get about one out of four comments to be visible.
@@fs127let me guess. You're aware that men are different from women.
I can see the board at ford sitting around saying "what can we do to ensure we lose tons of sales". Someone replies "how about we have cars give speeding tickets to the owner of the car and everyone around them!". President "Perfect!"
I was in Shanghai several years ago. Riding in the bosses car, we got on the freeway and I noticed multiple 'sensor bars' erected across the roadway, the sort of thing you see on electronic toll roads.
I asked the boss what they were? He proudly stated they were cameras, and if he sped, or did some other bad driving thing, the cameras would automatically pick it up, read his license plate, and text him with his picture with a message stating he'd been caught doing something and to pay this fine by clicking a link. It was SO efficient.
It was terrifying. And this is EXACTLY what TPTB what for us. We need to block ANY semblance of this sort of trash from reaching our shores. The moment we start doing what the Chinese government is doing to it's citizens we've ALL lost.
And to those claiming "if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about", history has proven you wrong, DEADLY wrong, many times.
Why are you in Communist China?
Ohio Turnpike been doing this for decades
The curse of Cassandra is real. Nobody cares as long as they have full bellies.
Correct, bread and circus'
This type of stuff reached our shores many years ago.
What needs to change in the United States is that the collection of direct or indirect personal data needs to ALWAYS be an opt-in process, and not require an explicit opt-out action by the person whose data is being collected.
Add personal E.M.P.D..
not only that but "opting in" should be transactional... where's MY cut?!
@@better.better yeah keep dreaming bud
That is exactly what we need.
no it need to be changed to NOT A FUCKING THING TO START WITH
I think the manufacturers should also include technologies that gives it's customers live data on the police: location, pullover rates in specific areas, AI legal advice if you do get pulled over, the personnel records of each police department, the ability to file a complaint directly and immediately about abusive cops, all from our cars!!!
I spit my drink out when you said that, "your car is narcing out other drivers."
I'd pay to be at these business meetings. 😂
@@Fishallnight475 They much smoke good dope EPA and CARB already pushed the envelope to far.
Not enough nails yet for that coffin Ford??? 🤣🤣
Ford isn't doing this on their own. The marxist government we have is pushing them to do it. We need to start abolishing these federal depts starting with the Dept of education that was formed in 1978 specifically to push socialist and communist ideology in our schools.
Taxpayers will bail them out.
@@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrityVery true. I hate that they, along with the others in the Big American 3 keep getting away with this level of garbage.
@@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity I’m sure we will..😡
5:36 they can’t get a warrant, so all they have to do is send an empty envelope to your home via fedex and then ask FedEx for the video data. That is definitely an end run around the Constitution.
Except FedEx constantly misdelivers the mail, so it might not go where they want it to.
Or Ring camera
I would think the driver would be allowed to not narc on other drivers, but then again.....
Put up a gate that locks at your driveway.
Put up a sign at the entrance to your driveway, "No unauthorized photo/video/audio recording", then prosecute delivery companies for trespassing.
This will stop people from buying these cars in droves.
That's already happened.
I very much doubt it .... Compliant and Obedient Order Following 🐑 are comfortable with 24/7 surveillance.....
"It is Difficult to Free Fools from the Chains They Revere."
~ Voltaire ~
Istg we need to go back to cars from 2013. Keep the AC/heated seats and Bluetooth. Get rid of everything else which sells our location, reports people to police or selling you machinery that you then have to pay a monthly subscription to use.
Lol. Didn't stop people from buying phones. Car's not any different when it comes to necessity. Tech needs to be reigned in and not allowed to be deployed until it's been approved by the government and it's use strictly monitored for abuse and exploitation by the corporations and the tech company themselves. Laws before deployment. Not deployment before law's and there needs to be extreme punishment for anyone using the tech against anyone who unknowingly has been exploited by the tech corporations and the government
Didn't work for cell phones.
This reminds me of that scene in the Fifth Element where the taxi driver is speeding and his car tells him he’s speeding and prints out a ticket from the dashboard and eventually just slows down the car for the cops to come get him.
The opening scene lol
That's not from The Fifth Element. The opening scenes had no such event. Are you perhaps thinking of Demolition Man, since that's what it sounds like?
It’s definitely from The Fifth Element, but not the opening scene. I’ve never seen demolition man.
@@stephenbenner4353 In The Fifth Element, the car computer just says "One Point Has Been Removed From Your License" after each incident. There's no ticket issued.
Demolition Man is famous for the running gag of the MC swearing and a recorded female voice intoning "you have been fined one credit for violation of the verbal morality act" and a nearby ticket issuing machine spits out a ticket.
Revenue Enhancements..
"He thought of the telescreen with its never sleeping ear"
"Big Brother is watching you."
I never really enjoyed this book, until I read the comic book version. I highly recommend it, even if you’ve already read the original 1984
Not just watching; listening, recording and charging you with a crimes.
@@lgDukeCity5018Demolition Man plus Idiocracy plus Brazil plus 1984 plus Brave New World plus The Matrix plus Logan's Run, with all the negatives, but none of the positives.
Y'all do realise that car insurance companies already harvest geolocation and accelerometer data from 3rd party apps on your phone to adjust your rates, right?
Our phones are snitching on us more than any car ever could.
For the record, that's a fucking violation of our privacy for their financial gain.
My reply keeps getting nuked so I'm spamming it around. Cry about it.
Y'all do realise that car insurance companies already harvest geolocation and accelerometer data from 3rd party apps on your phone to adjust your rates, right?
Our phones are snitching on us more than any car ever could.
For the record, that's a fucking violation of our privacy for their financial gain.
My reply keeps getting nuked so I'm spamming it around. Cry about it.
Fun Fact: in South Carolina, law enforcement may not issue a ticket for speeding or running a red light unless an officer actually performs a traffic stop. South Carolina Code 56-7-35.
I suspect drivers in many other states would benefit from a similar law.
In some places, they've directed police to not conduct most traffic stops (mostly for silly partisan/kneejerk reasons), so it would literally make running a red light an unenforceable law in those areas.
Thank you I will take a look into that.
Your location can still be reported then police can have someone intercept you, or based on historical data, they can know where to hide their patrol to do such.
It still doesn't stop your insurance company from charging microtransactions for every traffic infraction that is reported to them.
As a resident of the great state of South, by God, Carolina, you are correct.
Guess I'm never buying a Ford again. Good job!! 👍
Gonna be a lot of us! Buh bye Ford. See ya. Wouldn't wanna be ya.
Gorilla tape.
Just a small piece over each lens.
"Those who have nothing to hide, have nothing to fear." The fools who preach that forget that humans make assumptions! Remember, failing to follow the herd can be interpreted as "suspicious behavior". Do we really want to live that way?
It only highlights something I've been saying for years: it isn't about public safety it's about control and extorting money from the poor and working people.
Who cares what it intends? It will increase public safety as a side effect, that's still a massive win.
@@ninjalectualxno it won’t….? Wtf lol.
Capitalism is the exploitation of the working class for profit by the capitalist (employer) class via the private ownership of industry, which the capitalist state enforces. This is just capitalism doing what it does.
@@ninjalectualxI know right..... Our heroes in blue have really been cracking down on DUI's but for some weird reason the amount of alcohol related accidents keep going up........ 🤔🤨
I have read some of your previous comments and they are not very popular.
Those that are willing to sacrifice liberty for a feeling of safety deserve neither. @@ninjalectualx
I can just imagine people slamming on their brakes when they see a Ford nearby, causing an accident.
I had a fun similar experience in a car with "advanced" safety equipment, except it was the car itself trying to steer into oncoming traffic because I wasn't in the middle of the lane. On a one lane road, with traffic travelling both directions 😂😭
I swear, these "safety" features are going to kill us all
Had the crash saftey system turn on and lock wheel in on Ford transit scared the crap out of me found out thiers a sensor in front that picks up objects that wasn't cleaned. We also have one of those mercedes with the lane assist that helps keep wheel straight when wind blows van ends up keeping you on the line stupid saftey no sense is only useful if you can't drive.
So here's a thought. Video evidence can be seized by law enforcement for investigative reasons. I am a member of a drone unit for a local jurisdiction, used for fires, haz-mat incidents, lost persons, and law enforcement backup. We were told to NEVER use our personnel drones during a dispatched incident, because a defense lawyer may seize the drone, along with the video footage, for court action. Imagine if your Ford recorded a felony as your driving along, and your car is seized for evidentiary purposes, because it recorded something...
That's completely different. What your doing is a contractor. When working for the government anyone can foi your personal equipment when used at work.
Your 100% and that's a excellent point!
If you are a witness and photograph the scene with your phone, your phone can be subject to seizure as evidence.
Ford should develop a system to report when their vehicles break down!
Fix
Or
Repair
Daily!
Found on road dead!
Driver Returns On Foot
Why doesn't mainstream news cover this? Everyone needs to know what Ford and the police are doing.
Oh, they know. It’s not “newsworthy” enough to panic the populace. It isn’t violent, it isn’t dangerous, though it is very relevant, anything that usurps rights or makes companies money isn’t ultimately in our best interests to know.
Rent-seeking behavior......I.e. capitalism.....thats why....
Anything that rats on a potential advertiser is off limits.
@gomahklawm4446 be mad at cronyism.
In so many words, they are complicit.
I do have a problem with the government and corporations tracking my location all the time. It is an invasion of privacy even if we are in a public location.
A few years ago, I found a GPS watch at the lake near my home in the mud. I charged it up and used the location data from that watch to locate the owner.
Location data is very powerful information and the government and corporations should not, by law, be allowed to mass surveil the public.
GM should start advertising that their vehicles will never snitch on you.
They already snitch on you. OnStar tracks your driving performance and GM sells the data to all kinds of businesses, including your insurance company.
That would be a lie.
@@Strideo1 They absolutely do!
lol no. Mary Barra-GM will snitch on you in a heart-beat. There is a good chance Ford patented this to prevent others from implementing it not so they could implement it.
doesn't gm have that ON star system to remotely disable a vehicle?
I’ve been spouting this technology to my friends for the past two years.
Motorcycle Companies are considering on having it on their bikes where it broadcasts identifiable information via transponders.
Heres a fun one that I’ve worked on in 2017: The headrest can read your brain waves to tell if you’re sleepy.
Used car market is really set to explode over the next few years with more and more big brother technology being stuffed into new cars
They are making it where you can't get insurance coverage on those older models
I won't buy a new car ever again. Last model year I'll buy is 2019.
@@DonCurrierstill too new for me lmao
@@DonCurrier most people can't afford them anyways
Meh. They’ll just regulate those away and you’ll either comply, use public transit or a bicycle or walk.
Ford also patented a software that would let your car repossess itself if you got delinquent in your payments several months ago. I guess they don’t want to sell anymore cars or trucks. they should focus more on building vehicles that aren’t recalled every other week
FixOrReplaceDaily
That would require paying hardworking Americans instead of people south of the border that dgaf.....
Don't you think Ford knows that this wouldn't go over well with customers? What gets patented has very little to do with what winds up in products; something the press gets very wrong.
How is that a patent? The technology to remotely disable cars + GPS when not paying the payments has been a long time in use already...
If that patent extends to locking the doors, imagine some helpless young adult. First their vehicle is remotely disabled, then their vehicle is remotely locked. And… it _keeps_ locking / local unlock is disabled. And the window rolling feature is disabled. Scary stuff!
911: "Hello, this is Steve's car, he is currently driving 10mph over the speed limit."
"And here is a recording of him saying' They'll never catch me'
Need to intercept the comms with a "man in the middle" and manipulate the data.
Of course, why would your car squeal to the cops?
They would just self report to the courts and a ticket would be issued. Maybe even be auto deducted from your bank account like tollpass.
@@sprky777
Why do you think they want government digital currency?
Cars can already do that. This would be "This is Steves car, he is doing 10 over the speed limit. Also Suzi's car is doing 12 over the speed limit, Fred's is doing 20 over the speed limit and changed lanes twice without signalling, Tom's is doing 15 over the limit and has a cracked windshield and a broken taillight lens, Debbie's is going 12 over the limit and she is texting on her phone, Bill's is going 15 over the limit and he has a MAGA hat on, Jerry's is going exactly the speed limit and is probably doing so to avoid being pulled over because he has cash or drugs in the car."
"If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you afraid of?"
"I'm afraid of your definition of 'wrong'."
I fully agree. Subscription services, tracking your info and now monitoring other vehicles, all for profit on something you purchased. There has to be pushback, but America consumers haven't shown we are that smart.
Im smart enough to realize it, but unfortunately im financially unable to fight a corporation in a justice system that serves them first and foremost.
All i can do is not buy their crap and prevent fueling their funding. Ive swore off ever buying a new car simply due to the absurd prices a few years ago (92k for a damned f-250), scored a 30 year old ranger for $500 in a private sale instead.
@@larrybriggi9898 The Fords I have are my last unless they fire Jim Farley or he apologizes.
Manufactures have been collecting information on your driving habits for decades now.
America’s consumers value convenience over privacy any day of the week
@@RealJaybeeMusic True and our kids just click accept
This sounds like a great way to 1) make a ton of people boycott your vehicles out of privacy concerns, and 2) encourage other people (especially criminals) to start harassing your customers for spying on them with their Ford vehicle.
Ford would be stupid not to patent this. When this sort of tech becomes mandatory in Europe (which it will eventually). They will have to license it from Ford. Here at home nobody will want to pay for all of that data, certainly not the vehicle owner. I know I would just snip snip the antenna.
Only criminals.
Also vandalizing the vehicles.
snitches get stitches
@@cuzimpoor7785a lot of the antennas are internal to critical modules and cannot be removed.
Lets not forget rhe 2026 regs allowing police to monitor conversations in your vehicle or kill your ignition. If we have cars that can narc you out there is the ability to keep you from driving in the event of a paperwork error or the ability to keep you from getting a loved one or an injured passenger to medical care.😮
My 2019 Equinox was illegally borrowed by a neighbor a few years ago...OnStar said they could shut the vehicle down if I wished to do that. What's to prevent LE from doing just that...
@@hoosierplowboy5299 onstar has been putting gms in limp mode for the man since it first came out
@@hoosierplowboy5299 They have been able to do that since Onstar was first used.
@@hoosierplowboy5299 Nothing prevents that. Well, except OnStar saying your subscription is not paid up.
I wonder what it would be like to have a branch of government that was of the people & for the people.
The judicial branch is supposed to protect our rights.
I have a 53 year perfect driving record. Still, when shopping for insurance, companies say "We'll give you a discount if you put our "monitor" in your car !" Wait a minute...Why ? You can legally look, I can't lie. But if I don't, the price is outrageous. Thankfully, I found a smaller company who will look at my record, and charge a tiny bit more than their "discount". This looks like an extension of that technology, with the potential to take it to a monstrous extreme. It must be stopped !
Either the easy way or the hard way with these kinds of things. I'm worried because I saw my health insurer offering to give me a free apple watch to do the same thing as those discount modules. Just waiting for it to no longer be optional
Got in a 2023 F450 chassis in a coach & was presented with a warning on the dash "data sharing enabled". Made sure to turn off my bluetooth immediately.
My favorite J. Edger Hoover Quote is: "Justice is incidental to Law and Order." The state gains from having the choice of what to prosecute. The unequal application of law is a path to power. It gives the state the ability to choose who gets the friction from acting normally. In addition if the state runs short of money, the state might decide to tighten the laws so traffic fines can be increased. An example is Florence, Italy, 2008 traffic fines of 52 million euros, 2018 traffic fines of 480 million euros, counting fines for late payment sold to US debit collection agencies. What a lucrative business.
Are you sure it's euros? Because 1 euro is about $1.41 last I checked.
Steve, I agree with you. We have to draw the line somewhere. These car makers (or any manufacturer these days) will try to push the limits and see what they can get away with, but it's up to us to make it widely known and stop it. Our devices are supposed to serve us, not rat on us or others, or do unpaid work for the police.
Benjamin Franklin said “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”.
I used to work for a 3 letter agency that disabled every GM vehicle’s On-Star devices and antennas. They were aware of On-Star being able to listen to encrypted traffic taking place inside of the vehicles.
Stop making stuff up to try to get attention. They could NOT magically decrypt heavily encrypted CIA stuff, for example.
Even PGP security is very good (until good enough quantum computers are practical), if you just use a SERIOUSLY long key (like several K, for example). And good PC's are fast enough that encrypting at that level is still fairly quick.
How would they disabled them I'm only asking to make sure mine is working correctly😊
@@tomsmith476 Probably removing the modem. May pop an error. So they could have custom firmware as well.
@tomsmith476 Most modern cars have sim cards.. Removing that should work.
Ground the antenna to the frame. It cannot transmit.
The laws need to force opt in not opt out. Thank you for making these videos and keeping us informed.
And not bury the details in that fine print that requires a microscope to read.
@@johncrunk8038 or a lawyer to interpret.
For that to happen someone would have to pay the legislature more than they're already getting to vote for the other guy...
It’s not about breaking the law, it’s about corporations profiting off our personal data. And if they’re providing that data to the police, they’re essentially doing an end run around the 4th Amendment, whether we’re guilty or not.
I've expected this one for years. Surprised it hasn't happened sooner.
Government and police: "If you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to worry about!"
Also government and police: "How DARE you suggest that we submit to surveillance during our professional activities! Expecting us to tolerate badge cams and regular oversight is absolutely unacceptable!!!"
You won the comments section for the day.
Walk into a police station or government building and try to record them and see what happens!
@@doublezmtnmanyup but they’re always recording you too
I got detained for wearing a Russian military uniform at the Kroger I also got banned from Kroger for wearing said uniform
@@ericaatkins490 government=hypocrisy
Nailed it! Some time ago I posted a comment the soon, "Your car would report your speed and location to police. "Dear Me Lehto, on August 3rd your car reported that you were traveling on South Main st at 40 miles per hour. The speed limit for that street is 35 MPH. Enclosed is a speeding ticket. Please pay promptly" "To Serve and Protect""
As others have already commented, they are gonna skip that step. Straight to "your fine has been deducted from your account."
Prove who was driving
Understood, but they will just say you let someone drive your car and they broke the law, pay anyhow. 🤑🤦🏻♂️
And if you don't pay...those "self driving" cars will pay you a visit. Don't forget the amazon delivery drones overhead, bet HOAs will pay to get that data...
That moto, "To serve and protect," balony. More like,"How to trample over people's liberty and trust.
As a private investigator, we use what's called "seen here". UPS, FedEx, Tow Trucks, and police all use the same tech to record ALL license plates they drive past. This data is not expensive, and we use it to locate claimants, criminals, etc. Or determine what cars are at a residence, and then we can run that plate and discover to whom the vehicle is registered. Scary shit, right? Car in your driveway, on the street near your residence, Safeway parking lot, again, etc.
Illegal
@@fcops7942 its not, sadly.
@fcops7942 lmfaooooooooo wrong....your plate is public facing. Youre a fool if you think its private.
Simple solution....park private property. Cover your car. Back in.
I wondered if it was illegal. Typical tyranny
Imagine putting this much effort into stopping government corruption.
I imagine police would be so deluged with robo-reports they'd be crying, "MAKE IT STAHP!"
They won't be reviewing them in the moment. They'll just check the logs when they want to come up with an excuse to target a particular individual.
Most likely it will be the same as traffic cameras which take a photo of your license plate and whoever owns the car will get a ticket through the mail.
@@unitedstatian Those are simple to fight when they dont have full pictures of the car and the driver. If they can not prove who was driving it they can not ticket it. Ive tried to subpoena the camera operator and when it failed 3 tickets got threw out.
@@CrazyRFGuy Chinese cars have cameras inside. It won't be long before our cars get them too.
@@bwofficial1776some new cars, in the US , already have cameras in the car. It stares at your face to ensure you are paying attention.
Remember the days when cars didn't have computers, and a phone was something that hung on the kitchen wall?
Simpler times.
Yeah, back in 1983.
@@mikemaricle9941 I miss those days now when did government turn
I remember them. Still like current times better.
@@cheeto4493 Life, Was pretty easy and it was good if you found the right place to succeed. So are things today but they are getting so much more challenging for our youth they need more choices or able to feel they have way to improve a chance to rise. Raising minimum doesn’t help much if government spending causes inflation to go up and just steal their increase back? Guess American dreams may have to change but should they. We need to find ways for youth to feel like they can succeed. Many still do even in this much harder environment in last few years that seemed to have caused. We need more labor but screen those illegal if they have history of violence help those go back. Stop the crazy ideas of benefits for illegals before our own born here and those already sworn in why don’t get the same why don’t our veterans come 1st. Please Love USA 🇺🇸 first if there is still enough then you can fund whatever you want but after you take care of home 1st. USA First. There no need to make us a 3rd world country lowering taxes might spur growth when look at states who done that seem they become more productive and tax revenue increase even create excess. Interesting words spoken action seem different than words spoken. Actions matter.
I read a book in high school that was required in English class. Nineteen Eighty-four, a novel by English author George Orwell published in 1949 as a warning against totalitarianism. We thought then, NO WAY this could happen. Now I KNOW, it can't be stopped.
1984 was a foreshadowing to the future. We the people must put a stop to government overreach.
@@strat5395 You are so right it just took 40 more years 2024 instead of 1984. Too bad it seems government is bent on a police state. There are those in Congress who try to stop it or at least make sure it fair or has a few rules. Not Kamala. However John, Don, Ron, Ted, Roger, Maria and others just hope they keep rights to free speech free. Parents should decide what their kids see not large Tech unless parents can define what best for their child. Plus if they sell your info you should get the money it’s your data. They going to have to give away these vehicles if they use these features like that. Often starts out well then gets abused. Might be ok handled like they use to on phones but that might be getting to lacks.
@Strat5395 Yes it can be stopped
@@lacesout8292 Hope so because I can see all kind of abuses that could happen not say they will but when I lived in Los Angeles California and areas around like South Pasadena I saw a lot of abuses. So much so they eventually had to remove all equipment but the equipment that actually belong to the city itself contracted equipment was writing so many false tickets in error and users found they hadn’t the authority to give them. Only red light camera that’s operating in error now is near the VA hospital in west Los Angeles most pay the ticket think city was trying to decide not make give you a points against you but just send you a bill not sure what they decided. At Alameda near Union Station it has a camera and also has an additional camera and I believe a PD officer at a desk can hit a ticket no ticket go no go button and citation won’t be written unless it is a blatant violation. Hard to beat human interaction, AI not real ready yet but may be at some point. AI can do some task not all yet.
@@lacesout8292 Please tell me how?
I've worked for large companies before. They will file a patent to prevent others from fileting it even if they don't intend to build it.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
That is a principle on which to live a life.
Sounds like what I say about self driving cars.
I've been saying this about technology in general for years. Millennials walking around with more computing power in one hand than the entire Apollo program combined and the best then can manage is hunting pokemon for a selfie.
This needs to be the policy of government.
@@dougyoung221 Agree. I say a firm NO to self driving cars. Will never ride in one, certainly will never own one. It is not about safety, it is all about control/
I'm pretty sure my insurance company is selling my information. Yesterday, my 20 year old daughter got something from an out of state Audi dealer. She drives a Bronco Sport, I drive the Audi, and both cars are in my name. The only place the people and cars are mentioned together is my insurance policy. 3 cars(all in my name), 3 drivers, and 1 policy. All 3 drivers are authorized to drive any of the 3 cars. I don't know how an out of state car dealer that I've never dealt with could come up with that information. It wasn't random, because they mentioned the model I own specifically.
I don't do I insurance apps just for this reason. Unfortunately a lot of car companies are selling your data. I haven't heard of it yet but I suspect it will happen soon where police download from your car computers for evidence. They already do it in accident cases. ( except for when they hit someone)
You are correct. Read your insurance policy. The section about the data they collect. They openly tell you that they do that
@@tomeauburn I don't have insurance apps either!
Its funny that you think your information has to be 'together in once place' for it to lead back to you.
LOL. I would dare to bet 100 people in these comments could find out what the third car on that policy is and your wife's maiden name in less than day.
Well, it looks like my last Ford was well in my past. Imagine a Ford-free future.
they will be filing for bankruptcy soon anyways
It's not going to matter. Ford's just the fall guy right now. They're all doing it "Already"
For me. the UAW and meh to bad quality was enough to swear me off all American cars since the mid 90's.
Here it's a Camry, an Alabama-built Odyssey and Honda ST1100 motorcycle. My Mooney 231 airplane is American but its remanufactured Continental TSIO360 engine is built by a Chinese-owned, US-based company.
Mopar or no car.
I’ve heard of crossovers. Now Ford invented the double cross over
Reason #45 on why to drive a full analog car. Carburator, points, standard shirt transmission and all that other extremely simple technology.
And no malware technology that converts standard shift to standard shirt.
Just so you know, it didnt go straight from 'full analog' to "super computer spying on you' cars. You can pretty much tell that if any car gathers outside information (OEM dash unit can connect to your phone, car has GPS) then their is an increasing chance as the model year gets younger, that its collecting your data.
And just for reference, even if you're driving a "full analog car", it wont do much if you still have a smart phone on you collecting even more information on you (aside from sudden braking/accelerating that is).
Let me use the knob to turn down my radio, hand-crank my window down, and we can chat about this.
@@lyianx It's a lot easier to put a phone in a Faraday bag than to do the same for a car.
Who wants a snitch for a car??
Found the bad driver 🤣
The same people who 'bug' their own homes with Alexa or Echo...
@@PatrickSBellSr or my personal favorite people who record themselves committing crimes.
"I need a burger for a Ford driver"
@@ninjalectualxfound the waste of oxygen
I always figured we'd have mandatory self-driving on freeways/turnpikes at some point to eliminate traffic problems (like the cool bits of Minority Report), but no, we're going the creepy surveillance state predictive crime part of Minority Report instead. Yikes.
Oh yeah, Pre-Crime!! LEO: "You're acting suspicious so give me your ID."
Somehow the powers that be always go the worst way possible
If you aren't a good enough driver to obey the speed limit, you shouldn't have a license in the first place. Leave the driving to the adults.
@@ninjalectualx Most roads have a arbitrarily low speed limit to collect revenue, and has nothing to do with safety.
@@PatrickSBellSr
A crime has been, is being or "ABOUT to BE" because of ya know, ESP.
Now Ford should invent a device to figure why my Ford Ranger had major transmission problems.
Here is an idea for a law. Any data sold to or purchased by government from a private company has to be made simultaneously available to the public unless a warrant was issued specifically for that information. In addition, any government owned cameras recording public places must have a public feed so anyone can access their information.
When cops and politicians are speeding and drunk driving, all those public cameras that capture that, should be accessible to anyone who wants to request an investigation or to cite them. I suspect all those cameras would dissappear overnight and all those deals with companies would be ended.
How about every time you sell a list with my name on it I get 10k since I'm the one actually producing the data.
This is actually just a 'twist' on what is already happening with most new cars sold in the US today. Today most new cars are equipped with multiple computer systems that monitor the status of the vehicle and report it back to the manufacturer. This includes information on the owner's driving habits. For example, on my new KIA there is a display on the bottom of the instrument cluster indicating the speed limit of the road you are driving on. This indicator with display the speed in black if you are below the limit or red if you are exceeding the limit. This information is stored and transmitted back to KIA. Potentially this can then be sold to other entities such as insurance companies who can then use this data to alter your insurance rates or even potentially cancel you policy.
Can it tell when speed limits in a GPS system are off would make for some funny data like Going 35 in a residential area maps thinks is 75mph
Dude imma so get a 1975 or lower car as my next
That would be the first thing I disconnect in my car.
They would make that a crime I'm sure.
They make it where the car won't start
@@grim_tobe na, us car freaks will get it done. Same as Cat delete modules and chips.
Obviously, they'd [try to] prevent that. Whether they can do so effectively is yet to be seen.
Like that Louis Rossmann video about Beemer trying to charge you a subscription to use your heated seats. The heating element still has power wires, yes?
(to be fair, in his latest video about Hoover, he acknowledged his tendency and that of all his aspie listeners to immediately go to the obvious tech workaround instead of confronting and disincentivizing the premise the bad guys push)
Start with unscrewing the antenna, it's the weakest link between the vehicle and the net 😎 Then, watch videos on disabling 'Ford Telematics' and 'Fordpass' to locate and identify the relevant fuses 👍
Covering the internals of my car with tinfoil is going to be a future habit haha
Last year I opted out of using the Ford app. The choice was let us track you or you cannot use the app. I paid for the truck not renting it. Shame we are losing control of things we have purchased.
☕️☕️🎶🎵🎶
I can see it now, there will come a time when you will have to utilize the app to access certain useful, popular or necessary features that will make it almost impossible to enjoy the use of your vehicle without it. That’s how they’ll get us, to keep us from opting out!! And of course we won’t find this out until after we’ve purchased the vehicle!! 😡
@jjborel True. I lost remote control of the truck. Lock/ unlock and remote start are the main two lost.
Yes, Jim- same here with wife’s new Lincoln. We bought the vehicle- but we definitely do not OWN it. Never again will I buy a FoMoCo product.
Dystopian future? The present is already "Dystopian."
The consumer will be paying for equipment that serves the police, government, and any corporations willing to pay for data. Orwell, "I told you so".
My initial reaction is to ask, "How does the system know who is driving the speeding car? Because, a vehicle is not a person who can be ticketed. A vehicle does not have a drivers license that can be revoked. A vehicle cannot be convicted of a crime. And, in a courtroom, the state must be able to prove that a specific person was driving the car that was ticketed for speeding.
@@richardowens9061 It works just like red light cameras and toll violations. Tickets mailed to registered owner; DL points not involved; vehicle registrations affected if fine not paid; court evidence rules will be changed to accommodate the collection of additional ticket revenue.
The ad slogan, "Have you heard from the police lately?"
Have you driven over a Ford lately.
Put governors on all law enforcement cars that limit them to 55 mph.
All cars. And jail for modification.
For the safety of the children! /snarc
Make it 52 mph, or current max limit - 3 mph; whichever is LESS.
So you only want he driving on residential streets?
@@darrinrebagliati5365 Jesus, the way you guys just openly BEG for authoritarianism and a lack of ownership of your own property.
Ford didn't get the memo 'Snitches Get Stitches' ???? 😅
and end in ditches cause they bit
My deceased mother in law would block cars she thought were speeding by pacing a car beside her. She would also write down license numbers and call the Police. They told her repeatedly they wouldn't do anything because they had to see it for themselves. She didn't see anything wrong with this. If she had a Ford that could send info to the police she would have. So, this technology would let someone who thinks your speeding whether you are or not send your cars info to the Police. They would be over whelmed with reports from busy bodies. For instance out here in the west the Police won't even look at you if your doing just 10 mph over. On the other hand the average driver can let them know you are if they think you are.. If the technology can't tell how fast a car is actually going then it's worthless information for the Police. Also out here the State Troopers are few and far between. Our local Sheriff is more concerned with crime not speeding.
They’re my favorite. I’ll pass on the shoulder just to see that look of seething rage in the rear view mirror.
Your brand new vehicle has become a de facto Revenue stream for whatever company you purchased it from
Including Tesla.
It being a revenue stream isn't the issue, the way it makes itself the revenue stream is. I'm not spending $60k on a car for it to add technology I don't need to send my information to people I don't want it to go to.
2-08-2024.
Dear S, Lehto. I used to work in the Automotive R/D, in the USA & here in Germany, we talked about future advancements, black box's are coming, so are A,I, smart cars, just you wait.
If you think you need an apostrophe for a simple plural (box's), I don't trust your education level enough to believe you know what you're talking about.
Black boxes are already here, they use the data recorded in vehicle accident investigations. Speed of vehicle, throttle position, brake activation are all logged.
Your vehicle don't have to narc you out, the other ones on the road around you do, that's the loophole so they can say 'We' aren't 'spying' on 'you', and that they're doing it, you know, FOR YOUR SAFETY.
Surly you misquoted for your safety! It always for officer safety above everyone else. That's why QI is used when police raid the wrong house with a no knock raid and shoot an innocent homeowner who didn't know who it was due to no knock and bright lights gets eliminated holding a gun. Some of these swat teams don't wear camera so the only person to testify is the raid officers who never lie. Police never lie right?
Those who would trade liberty for safety deserve neither
@@kylewitter2806 Damn right!
"Think about the children!!!"
"If it saves even one life."
"... in this day and age."
@@MonkeyJedi99 when a Sheriff will not let his officers run lights when parked in a school zone because it will hurt speeding tickets is worse.
Thank you for keeping us informed!!!
camera in car... facial match for person with an outstanding arrest warrant, car locks door and drives you to nearest station :p
That would be a Tesla hahahahahahahaha
So Ford wants to become the Judge, Jury and Executioner.
AI and you and government makes three.
This seems like unreasonable search and seizure and a breach of privacy ! This is unconstitutional ! 🙏🏼
I'm wondering if these engineers ever thought about constitutional rights (4th) before they come up with this crap?
@@MrTrailerman2 The problem is it is all public info, they are not digging into private info to report these people, not that i agree with it.
@@MrTrailerman2Hard to read the constitution with dollar signs for eyes.
Unless you agree to it when you buy your new car. I am sure they will make you sign a waiver so it is all legal.
Sadly, I don't think it's that cut and dry. That only applies to government entities and Ford is a private company, and police aren't required to ignore voluntary tips.
"It Can Expand?" When it comes to the Government it "Always" Expands.
Surveillance already has expanded way beyond a mere inconvenience overwhelming invasion.
Thank you for the news.
It amazes me how many people are ready to live in a society of unknowing Brown Shirts.
@@Vaquero4382 It could be good thing but to easily abused, so might be better if only used by an active warrant hopefully a judge looks at.
@@Vaquero4382 You are so right but many are unaware of that. You have to be aware of history. They point toward the wrong guy when really they are far closer to it. Plus whats worse and people buy in to it in their ignorance. Thanks for mentioning that. Just hope youth have knowledge of those times.
even motorcycles are gonna head in this direction with more bikes coming with computer controlled throttles, radar, and connected instrumentation systems. I'll hold on to my 1984 BMW for now
If my car is doing the snitching then I need to be compensated accordingly if it’s snitching on others!
Should get paid at cop wages for every hour of driving.
@@MonkeyJedi99 hourly wages of my last union job! $56.00 an hour.
Minimum 4 hr show up pay.
You got rid of your Mark and Brian KLOS thing in the background. That brought back memories for me when I saw it.
About the Fed Ex trucks spying on people - This sounds like a good time to use private EULAs posted at each entry to your property.
Each EULA can provide the basic info about limitations placed on any data/audio/video that is gathered by any company's agent/vehicle that comes on your property or collects data/audio/video pertaining to your property from somewhere else.
That data is for sale by the property owner and any collection of it is an agreement to the contract for sale of it.
Prices are listed online and may change without notice.
That's the same style of EULA that websites are allowed to use for restricting their info, so it should work for the real world, too.
Not just OPT OUT but do so without losing capabilities your car has
After a mandatory opt out clause, the cars will then be sold to customers with a one-time $50 discount for their permission to forever gather the data. And a significant amount of people will take the $50.
@@TimoRutanen F that.
I'll never buy a new Ford again.
You bought one to begin with? 😂
I won’t buy a car from 2020 on especially if the gauge cluster is a video screen. Cars are truly being built to last the length of the warranty now.
I used to like Fords. I even wanted a Bronco, but this kind of stuff has cured me of that.
@@ra2186: They made some great cars in the 60's (like the Mustang). Since the 70's when things like catalytic converters became mandatory, for example, NOT SO MUCH.
@@ryanlarson4700: When nearly all video screens in cars are failing within a decade, be sure and get back to us.
All electronics aren't bad. The diagnostic electronics in car systems like the transmission, engine, etc. are fantastic, re finding things early and helping keep cars running longer.
For anyone curious on why this should be wrong;
1) You are paying extra for this service if you have it on a car, in some way or another, along with possibly other idiotics such as subscription seat warmers.
2) There are already cases of sudden evasion of objects, cars, or people in the road that should not be there adding to insurance policies. You think this won't be used against you every time you have to speed up to get around some nimrod who drives dangerously?
The new F450 and up are governed at 80-85mph max but here in Texas if you are not towing a trailer you can legally drive these at up to 90mph.
Big government and Ford are bringing big brother to everyone today...
I can see not having your car spy on you, but use the technology for good. Use the GPS data to limit the governed speed to what the actual road limits are
What's the fuel economy on a F450-550 at 90? I can't imagine you'd want to do that for very long unless someone else is paying the bills.
Agree with you 100%. Too much of our lives are already on display for the world to see. Don't need snitching cars. And as you say, this information is the property of the car owner, not for distribution to law enforcement.
I was shocked when I found out cars have black boxes that we don't know about and can't turn off!!
My current car is 14 years old and I really enjoy it. With all the new stuff going into cars I am less interested in replacing it with each passing year. I have no idea why people are so obsessed with buying new cars rather than maintaining what they have, unless it's a Ford.
Imagine malware slipped into your car's computer, wirelessly of course, that "swats" other cars by the command of some no-goodnik.
There's no malware anymore because it's all malware
Patents can also be used to document an idea/process to prevent it from being implemented at all. Back in the 70/80s car manufactures patented several things to increase fuel mileage but were never implemented. For the sole purpose of eliminating foreign competition in higher mileage cars. Once the patents expired you saw a huge impact in increased MPG. Can't recall them all, but had a book in the 90s that explained several of these that were created for that reason.
Karen motor company
What a great sales pitch to buyers. Imagine getting surprised with a hundred $100+ fines that must be paid when you renew your car registration.