The Pope's Astronomer - Sixty Symbols
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- Speaking with Brother Guy Consolmagno - director of The Vatican Observatory. See two other videos in this "trinity" - space rocks at • The Pope's Space Rocks... and The Pope's Telescopes at • The Pope's Telescopes ...
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Brother Guy shows us items from the Vatican collection on Objectivity at • The Pope's Space Rocks...
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I'm subscribed to all three channels and when I saw all these Pope and Space videos pop out at once I thought "what's going on!?" :)
Are you trying to get people to unsubscribe?
I really enjoyed this episode. It’d be really cool if you could interview others like Francis Collins who are outspoken men of faith but are also involved in science
Thumbs downed because f the Vatican and their goons.
What about the Foodskey channel? Care to make a statement that you abandoned it in favour of more profitable channels like this one?
Brady is a great interviewer. Asking all the questions that are relevant.
30:19 ...
All metaphors break down when you remove the context. I'm not relgious in the least but I love that answer.
He gets about aswell
The pope's journalist prepared the questions for him.
@@xtrakewlguy666 do you believe that?
"The real thing I think is to remind people that astronomy is the kind of thing you can't make a living at unless you have a patron" ouch
I teared up a little at not having to write grant proposals
Tis entirely too true
@@evilotto9200 Me too.
A massive religious figure is hardly who you want as a patron!
well, thats true for basically all research...
Only Brady could interview the Pope's astronomer and still play Devil's advocate.
I always got the Impression Brady was religious, but not getting that vibe from this video.
He's being quite angelic, letting so much BS pass unchallenged.
Mind, he had a few sharp points directed his way in return.
As well as he should be but also I think he let the answers be answers and didn't bog down on every bit of detail
there all devils. in the same satanic club. do you think the people do not know.
I wasn't expecting to find the comment section so civil, feels unreal.
Sorry for dropping the ball on that.
@@adm0iii I'm more concerned at the amount of people saying they've never heard this point of view, I think it is quite common and had been called out in debates numerous times.
You're making very hard to come up with uncivil replies if you keep being so civil. Sigh.
I’m reading through the comments before I decide on how dark to get and I think I’ll leave the low hanging fruit alone
Always remember that the world is full of assholes; everyone has one. But that doesn't guarantee they'll all show up en-masse in the UA-cam comments section, for the totally predictable cliché effluence.
Guy: "That description would've seemed fantastical to anyone up to fifty years ago, and that description would seem primitive in a thousand years. (pause for impact). There is no description other than poetry that could possibly be timeless."
Brady:
Guy:
Brady:
Guy:
Brady "That's quite a good answer, Ill give you that..."
I got chills. I've always seen that passage as poetry anyways
Luis Vela Yep, me too. Poetry is one of humans’ only means of time-travel!
It could still be poetic without being blatantly wrong about various things, such as the order in which things were created.
@@gcewing Which, according to you, is the correct order in which things got created, If I may ask?
Brilliant!
I'm an atheist and I really enjoyed this video. Fascinating to explore the areas where we differ as well as the points of commonality. Great interviewing from Brady - he has a gift for asking tough questions without coming off as hostile.
Well said.
As many people already said, great interview. We don't often have the chance to hear this point of view, and I think it's quite intellectually stimulating.
I think we should hear the points of views of all prisoners, all so-called "convicted criminals", & their opinions on ALL matters, anything. THEIR points of view are rarely heard & would be original & different.
@@theultimatereductionist7592 you can find that on the internet thier views are more prominent than most peoples
"The Opposite of Faith is not Doubt". "The Opposite of Faith is Certainty". (Fr. Consolmagno). As a Roman Catholic of 70 years, I find that statement to be startlingly insightful and spiritually brilliant.
Possibly one of may favorite pieces published by you, Brady.
Really? You have an odd taste.
Really? You have an odd taste.
The last two comments confuse me
I just want this interview keep going!!!!!!!!
Its in his last name, great consoler.
16:16 it's Cliff Stoll on the left!
No way!?
Good spot - they are good friends.
Brother Guy shares some of Cliff's mannerisms! 15:20 & 30:13
@@Nilguiri omg, I hadn't noticed that but you're totally right!
@@Nilguiri I totally missed that but you're absolutely right. Even the way his voice changes when he's excited is very similar to Cliff.
"being at the Vatican means I don''t have to write grant proposals
*so many scientist world wide, jealous oh so rising*
Man, this is a fantastic video. Excellent questions, excellent answers!
"There is no description, other than poetry, that can be timeless" 31:00 This sentence sent chills into my soul, and will carry these words with me. Thank you for this video.
Archaeological evidence suggests that pottery is more timeless than poetry.
@@RFC3514 An interesting theory.
Made me well up. The best description of the Genesis account I have heard.
@@jacobphyman5115 I couldn't agree more.
@@RFC3514 can you dig out creation out of the ground?
I like this guy. He's religious but recognises freedom of belief and is accepting of non-christain ideals while explianing his and others' ideas effectively.
I agree. I must say that he's an excellent model of how to conduct a religious debate: understand and appreciate the salient sides of an argument (even if it loathes you), and then demonstrate why you hold your position or would compromise.
In my experience, he's like most of the Catholic religious people I know. Specially Jesuits.
Yup, like others have mentioned, he's a Jesuit. They're pretty much the "intellectual" arm of the catholic church, and pretty much a force of their own. Not all parties within the church are fans because of that, but honestly think the catholic church would be in a much worse state if they didn't have the SJ.
@@jttcosmos the current pope is a Jesuitst. The first one. I think that's the start of a change.
I know Guy personally, and I've never seen him ever speak ill of anyone, or not respect any person. He's a great human being above all else.
Thanks for talking to such an atypical interviewee!
With eyebrows like that, your glasses will never be dirty on the inside!
World class, to be sure.
Or clean. You can't strip all the oil from your hair, especially your eyebrow hair.
I'm here to tell you my bushy brows are constantly greasing up the inside of my specs. It's a never ending frustration!
@@bradley3549 I stand corrected. ;-)
I had the pleasure of being "interviewed" by Brother Guy. I was the token local astronomer on panel at Worldcon 75, sitting next to astronaut Kjell Lindgren, and very much paralyzed by impostor syndrome.
Anyone who doesn't have impostor syndrome is probably in the worst part of the Dunning-Kruger curve. I am honored to know a bunch of people who are SO much smarter than I am, and I think every one of them is waiting for "them" to find out that they don't really know what they're doing.
@@John_Ridley It wasn't so much about the smarts, though of course I was very junior compared to the others, barely a year after my PhD. It was just that I was a nobody sitting on a panel with these big names that everyone obviously were there to listen to. But I did manage to relax eventually, and even got some laughs from the audience and my fellow panelists. It was by far the most fun public appearance I've ever made.
I was coming to the end of this video when I had to pause it due to the noise from a large military aircraft from a nearby base. Normally, such pauses give me a moment to proudly reflect on my own military service, and the service of others.
Just now my thoughts during the pause had a tinge of shame to them, that the world we inhabit contains so many soldiers and so few people of deep faith and science.
This interview with Father Guy has popped me out of my normal set of relatively fixed perspectives. Something for which I'm very thankful and frankly overdue.
I'm also a soldier and I know what you feel.
16:19 The man on the left looks suspiciously like a certain glass-blowing mathematician often featured on the Numberphile channel ;)
Can't be him, though; he's perfectly still. I know it's a photo, but Cliff Stoll would still somehow be moving like a madman.
It's extremely possible, they both got PhD's from the University of Arizona:
Guy in 1978
Cliff in 1980
I noticed that too! In another video with Consolmagno (I believe I telescope video), a paper shown on the screen cites Stoll from SUNY Buffalo. The small world of academia.
Guy is a phenomenal communicator both scientifically and spiritually. This one really hit home for me and made me feel accepted for once rather than shunned. It's always good to have an open mind and to remember we're all human, and we're all stardust. These were excellent videos with Guy, I really needed this rn.
really liked this series, very sympathic guy!
Sympathic, a word that exists in most european languages, doesn't exist in english.
Well, he _is_ a second-generation P.R. guy...
Non-inertial Observer, "Sympathetic" is the English word.
@Ilia Korvigo - "Sympathetic", in English, generally means someone expressing sympathy (empahty, affinity, understanding, etc.). The word used in romance languages (ex., sympathique, in French) means "likeable" or "pleasant". They share a common root, but mean different things.
@@RFC3514 I am very well aware of that meaning, just as I am aware of another one: "(of a person) attracting the liking of others" - this is taken from the Oxford Dictionary of British English.
I disagree with a lot of what this man says, but I sill think it's quite interesting to hear his points of view, both the personal and the institutional ones.
This is exactly my view.
That's the fantastic thing, we can completely disagree with people and still have an interest in what they are saying, especially _why_ they are saying it
@@LordQueezle And yet many atheist can sound as ignorant as those who they claim to oppose.
I only hears about him because of others who said he would sound like a "Charlatan" when faced with "Real" scientist....
Until I did my own research and found he had a Carl Segan metal to his name for advocating science to the public.
Shows you have much ignorance can persist on those who call themselves "freethinkers".
I get a "Klein bottle guy" wibe of this Guy. Just full of interesting things to show and talk about :)
His voice is similar.
16:16
Plot twist: it was Cliff trolling us with Jesuit BS all along.
I'm an atheist and religious people usually do my head in but this chap is awesome.
Ps [19:55] "white elderly British males". I wonder if he might be referring to Richard Dawkins??
Pretty much... I'm atheist and I STILL can't read Dawkins without throwing the book across the room...
Doesn't that make it harder to read?
I don’t think it is surprising when white males are certainly a majority in science, most outspoken atheists tend to be white males, and most people he would come across are white males.
This feels very strongly like poisoning the well
Elderly white males also constitute the vast majority of the Catholic Church establishment. And the totality of Guy Consolmagno.
Again, as with his fallacies about science, we're left wondering if he's just supremely confident in his oratory skills to slip that description in unnoticed, or if he really has such huge a blind spot.
It is true that elderly white males make up most of the higher-up hierarchy of the catholic church, but he mentions he doesn't see them all that much. The team he works with as shown in the pictures looks a lot more mixed, (and looking it up) he's spent 2 years teaching in Kenya, which is hardly going to be full of old white people. I dunno whether he himself is 'white' or not, by his complexion he could feasibly be another ethnicity.
This is one of the greatest videos that you've made. It very enlightening
I like that Brady took on the challenge of a philosophical question with a Jesuit brother, very ambitious ! ;-)
"The opposite of faith isn't doubt. The opposite of faith is certainty."
-Brother Guy
oh boy!
Nope, Biblical faith is assurance: “Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.” Heb. 11:1
Seine O'More People of faith come in all levels of education. Education means nothing without wisdom. Example; Educated Atheists are usually foolish. They believe there are around 100 genders. They’re Atheists,, yet they believe in an immaterial part of a person? That’s weird. Haha!!!
@Seine O'More You almost certainly have met such people. It would be foolish to assume that you know the faith of everyone you've met. I'm sure many of the intelligent people you know exercise some form of faith.
Those who do exercise faith and also claim certainty in it lack the insight that Brother Guy is sharing with that statement. He contends with doubt every day, and sees it as an integral part of his faith. To him faith and doubt are two sides of the same coin, and one cannot exist without the other. To rest one's beliefs firmly in their faith or doubt at the expense of the other is to exercise certainty. Thus, certainty is the opposite of faith, because in order to have faith one must contend with their doubt. If one is certain in their beliefs then they have no doubt, and thereby also have no faith.
If faith is light then doubt is darkness,. One who experiences only light or only darkness can see nothing, and thus certainty is blindness. One can be blinded by doubt just as they can be blinded by faith. To truly see one must have both.
@Seine O'More Normally i would be on your side, but to my own surprise, not this time.
I wondered if Georges Lemaître was one of his predecessors. Lemaître was very important for the discovery of the development of the theory of the expanding universe. He was a Jesuit and a scientist in the Vatican as well
LeMaitre was not a member of any religious order; he was a diocesan priest and physics professor at Univ. Louvain. He did attend a Jesuit high school.
@@johnboyd782 Thank you
@@johnboyd782 if he was a priest he had to be a member of an order doesn't he ?
No. A priest does not have to belong to a religious order.Those not in an order are ordained for a particular diocese. My brother-in-law John is a priest of the Archdiocese of Dubuque,Iowa. This runs a college in Dubuque. Like LeMaitre, John was sent to get a grad degree to qualify to teach at His archdiocese’s college.
A Radcliffian observer is someone who has seen Harry Potter.
This is brilliant. As s scientist, I was looking for something like this.
I keep coming back to this interview time after time. Listening to Brother Guy speak brings me so much joy and enlightenment.
How does one grow such magnificent eyebrows?
MiracleGro.
He looks like a wizard in an RPG
Very much a priest. With a high score in diplomacy (and eyebrows), but still very much a priest.
Now that's we've seem the pope's astronomer, can we interview the pope's Game Master?
Really interesting and professional video, Brady. Had no idea this position existed until now!
This guy is really well-spoken and you always seem to ask the questions I want to hear asked. You've given me a lot to think about! :)
I am glad this interview exists. I definitely not think I agree with everything he said (typing this around 16:40, that part stands out). I just think this is good for it to be out there.
Agreed, great intervju. Happy this is out there.
I think he was speaking of truths as the way the term is used in this context and not necessarily what he believes personally.
This is a very good production, the interviewer's voice is very clear you great backdrop too. The rest of the production also very good, graphics and historical matter was well presented. Very well done and can I add also the sound level was high enough so no need for captions.
This is a fantastic interview
I can see why the pope chose this guy
He looks so excited to talk about his work so passionate about science and theology it’s great
Indeed, he even has a Carl Segan medal for promoting science to boot.
I must say, this video was very interesting to listen to.
This guy has a certain Sean Carroll cadence to him.
This is probably my favorite all time video. Brady is not an academic, but he is a genius. The questions were pointed and clever in a way that I could never accomplish. Guy is an equal genius, but very much the academic and theologian. Having the two talk to and argue with and commend each other is an incredible experience. I'm surprised this video doesn't have a billion views.
Brady, I’m so thrilled with this set of videos. Thank you for introducing us to Br Guy! I am moved by his insight into the intersection between science and religion.
Fantastic interview. Love to see people who have a passion for their work.
I assumed that Sixty symbols would somewhat stop being relevant to me when i started my degree. This is just what I needed at the end of it.
Why would it stop being relevant because you started your studies?
"There is no description other than poetry that can be timeless" - that's a good answer!
Wow, I've just finished the trilogy-or the trinity ;-), as it says on the video description-and I'm amazed at the entertainment, knowledge and profundity of these videos. Thank you so much, Brother Guy, Brady and James.
I would love to hear prof. Moriarty respond to this
You might be horribly disappointed.
Why is it that religious people always start talking about Gödel and axioms when we're not discussing a formal axiomatic system at all here? We're not picking axioms and proving things from the ground up (in science at least), we're looking around us and ruling out any possibilities that are not consistent with how the world looks. Science is not foundationalist. He even say in this video, science doesn't prove anything, math does.
"The opposite of Faith isn't doubt, it's certainty."
How incredibly profound.
*Send me a Direct message right away*
Really interesting video and Brady, you're indeed (like other people are saying as well) a great interviewer!
Interesting note on Galileo!:
It was actually papal astronomers that brought up evidence against Galileo during his trial. They had been observing stars for years looking for stellar parallax, which would prove that the earth moved, but failed to find any. It was based on this evidence that they concluded that Galileo was likely not correct in his heliocentric theory, not on any biblical understanding. Even galileo's telescope wasn't powerful enough to detect the very slight change in stellar positions. It wasn't for hundreds of years that the first instance of stellar parallax was discovered, finally proving the theory correct.
This is misleading (or very naïf) apologist nonsense.
People aren't put on trial for "incorrect" or "incomplete" astronomical observations. The fact that he was _on trial_ to begin with makes it pretty clear that *his "crime" was challenging the infallibility of the church.* And for that, it's _irrelevant_ whether he was right or wrong. Any "scientific evidence" against him was basically a propaganda move, to try to discredit him, because the church *had* to be right. Its power (the power to put random people on trial simply for disagreeing with them!) depended on maintaining that lie. *If any "papal astronomers" had taken Galileo's side, they would have been tried and convicted along with him.*
The fundamental point (and historical lesson) of Galileo's trail is not one about astronomy. It's about how the Catholic Church (and religions in general) deal with dissent.
Also, there is absolutely no need for "stellar parallax" to "prove the theory correct". The sky could be completely dark except for the objects in the solar system and it would still be trivial to conclude that the Earth is not at the centre of the solar system. And Galileo didn't come up with the theory, anyway, Copernicus did (also, it wasn't exactly a theory, but let's not get into that). And Kepler figured out the orbits. Galileo simply confirmed it experimentally (i.e., he "proved" it - without any need for stellar parallax observations).
What was demonstrated about one century later (by observing distant stars, with better telescopes) was that objects _outside_ the solar system don't orbit around the Sun (i.e., the Sun isn't the "centre" of the universe - in fact it's not even exactly at the centre of the solar system).
@@RFC3514 "It's irrelavent whether he was right or wrong."
And that begins to discredit your own statement.
@@arnowisp6244 - If you think that, then you didn't understand my "statement". The trial wasn't about how accurate his calculations were, or even if his model was remotely correct. The trial was about *blasphemy.*
This is one of the best videos I have seen for a long time. The view that Bro. Consolmagno holds is refreshing and his openness to discussion & reconciliation (I don't like that term but it's the best I can think of) of traditionally divergent views is thought provoking (I think he intends it to be so?) and rationally articulated. I hope to meet this man someday.
this has to be one of my favourite videos on this channel. such an interesting conversation.
the joy this brought to me watching... ahhhh! GO BRADY GO!!! You interview mighty well... and with the ease and flow of an A Class narrator of the great works! atta boy from this old man here!
Good Job, Brady, for asking relevant questions! :)
This is a wonderful video, and a powerful illustration of how following both scientific and religious practises is not mutually exclusive. I used to be one of those overconfident kids who wholeheartedly rejected the idea of religion and claimed that I “believed in science”, without ever really knowing what that meant. If I had seen this back then, it might’ve done something to change my perspective.
It is inspiring to see how modern religious leaders are acknowledging the part science has to play in our understanding, and welcoming the progress that science has produced.
That is definitely one of my favorite interviews, Brady. He is a really interesting person. Thank you for introducing him to us
Great video! It's always interesting to hear perspectives like this.
Great interview, Brady!
What a treasure Brother Guy is. Amazing man.
I really liked that Brady took the time to ask about the research that Guy was doing as well as asking all of the obvious questions about the intersection between science and religion (which I think Guy answered extremely well).
He's like the Steve Jobs of Philosophy
I love this interview! As a religious person in science, many of his views are almost exactly my own.
Guy put into words many of the things that I think, but have a hard time expressing.
Amazzzing answer at 31:00, you should interview him more!!!
Absolutely fantastic interview !
Brady, I am a big fan of your work. All of the channels plus HI and The Unmade Podcast and this is probably my favorite thing you have done. You are such a fantastic interviewer.
This guy is something else
He won a Carl Segan Medal for promoting science. That says a lot.
This is a really great interview!
That's great to see this kind of interview can be out there ! Good job Brady !
This video is amazing, it really touched me in a way difficult to explain. Your questions are really inquisitive and his responses thought provoking. Amazing, i am going to try and find his books!
The opposite of faith isn't doubt
The oppositite of faith is certainty (right around 15:45)
Beautifully said
So what about all the religions that disagree with other religions? How do you reconcile that? There are no tests or experiments to demonstrate one is more correct than the other. All you can do is cite "faith" that you are right. At least when science conflicts with science you can start looking for a way to test which is right or wrong or the reality is a combo of the two.
What a wonderful video! Thank you for the interview.
Amazing interview, thank you Brady for sharing your platform with this amazing intellect.
Brady. You just scored a home-run with this video. IT.IS.FANTASTIC! Thank you.
This interview brought to my attention that the previous (retired) pope is still alive. I forgot about that. What a strange thing.
Popes only retire upon death. It's unheard off until now for two living Popes even if one is retired. (Outside of conflicts on who was Pope centuries ago)
So yeah, its really strange.
Thank you so much for this interview, Brady. I've been a huge fan of your channels for ten years now. To me, learning about physics and astronomy and chemistry has deepened my love of theology. I love that you share perspectives from people ranging from Dr. Moriarty to "the Pope's astronomer." He's voiced so many things I've struggled to put into words my whole life!
This is a lovely interview. I really like the way Brother Guy Consolmagno communicates.
19:49 let me guess, Dawkins and Hitchens...
Yeah. His explanations for why they do what they do indicate, at least to me, that he has no clue.
Writing off all atheist thought as insecurity really says a lot about the bubble he exists in, and his intellectual honesty.
@@jacobscott2597 projecting much?
@@Squossifrage No
@@jacobscott2597 where exactly did he "write off all atheist thought"?
It's not a common occurrence to be captivated for over half an hour by a UA-cam video but this was a welcome exception.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you Brady for this wonderful video. As a devout Catholic and all-around curious science-enthusiast, I really enjoyed it.
What a wonderful conversation: great questions, killer answers.
I am in every part of my body and brain an atheïst. But if somebody could convert me, it is this man and this man only. Every time I listen to that man, I have the feeling that his ideals are even higher than mine in life and in general. That bothers me somehow. I like to think that (for my reality) I have the best and the highest views of what life is and what it should be of anybody on earth. And then he comes, telling me things that I think "oh, that is extremely deep" and that bothers me as an atheïst. I don't know if anybody understands this comment, but at least I do, halfway.
So what you're saying is you are easily swayed by smooth PR talk and deflection? ;-)
@@RFC3514 No, I am still an atheïst. But he gave me food for (hopefully independent) deep thought.
Just keep open-minded, that is the best thing you can do. Remember that we are not on this beautiful Earth for an infinite time, so never get comfy with one set of ideals. Be calm and open to the philosophies of all people, and through all the noise and nonsense you are almost guaranteed to gain some wisdom where previously you had felt certainty.
Dude...This guy's reasoning was full of fallacies...I can't see why people like him so much...
@@DForce26 Because he's non-confrontational. I guess people just like being reassured that it's all fine, there's no conflict, no cognitive dissonance, those who believe there is are just a few insecure white dudes, and let's just all be friends, nevermind the irreparable damage being done to our culture and society.
It's always a wonder to see philosophy sneak into these videos, for me
And good on Brady for directly asking questions that could so easily come off as aggressive and antagonistic :)
I was unsure whether I would like this, but it was really engaging and interesting. Great interview!
Excellent interview. Well asked and beautifully answered. Thank you!
This is a fascinating perspective on science, the practice of science, and religion.
Wow! Great guy. Great interview. Thanks Brady
One of my favorite 60 Symbols interviews.
Easily one of the best videos out there Brady.
Wow, i never thought I'd enjoy hearing about astronomy from a Catholic priest
Technically he's a brother, not a priest (think nurse instead of doctor). Personally I don't mind the astronomy (though he said very little about that), it's the supernatural woo and the fallacious Jesuit rhetoric that I could do without.
@@RFC3514 Fallicious? More like well spoken.
Men like him have done a lot to get more religious people interested in science while men like you have done a lot to push those people away from science.
He won a Carl Segan Medal for promoting planetary science to the public and so he has my deepest respects.
I never thought people actually think religious people are anti-science.
Brady,
This may be your best interview yet.
Brother Guy is fantastic, and should be the next Sagan.
Thank you, yet again.
Subscribed, belled, and patroned!
This was an intensely interesting interview! Great job Brady
This was an exceptionally good interview.
I respect that you put this up. There doesn't need to be a divide.
(Ominous music)
“It’s kind of scary to say he knows who I am. He knows my name, he knows my background....and I guess it means I can’t hide.”
Movie voice guy: The Pope’s Astrologer, coming soon!
...and he never tried LSD!
I think your auto-correct is a bit esoteric today, it switched astronomer for astrologer xD
@@RadeticDaniel It did the right thing as "astrologer" sells better than "astronomer" and we do live in a world where everything is for sale.
Daniel Radetic oh no! Ugh, so embarrassing :(
Wonderful interview! Enjoyed it very much.
I truly appreciate this honest conversation with Brother Guy Consolmagno. My personal disclaimer: I am very much an advocate of science, and atheist. But if you push me to pick, I'd say that I can be somewhat spiritual. Not in any kind of supernatural sense, but in the sense that science helps us understand the sheer beauty of the natural world. The universe is weird and bizarre and unlikely; and the fact that it happened to result in a planet which ended up being the birthplace of a species called Homo sapiens, which became a way for the universe to know itself (to borrow a phrase from Hank Green), is a beautiful concept.
To anyone curious about spirituality I recommend you look up the scene in The Last Jedi where Luke explains the concept of the Force to Rey. As an atheist, that is the most compelling and sensible explanation I've heard for anything that departs from pure scientific facts, without being all about faith and belief in physically impossible events.