The World of Ice Cream Stabilizers : Starches, CMC, GMS & Tara Gum
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Ice Cream Stabilizers PT2 is about Tapioca Starch, Cornstarch, CMC, GMS and Tara Gum.
If you want to know a little bit more on these ingredients, have a watch and ask any questions you might have and I will do my best to answer them.
I'm not a chemist, just a guy who makes ice cream (albeit well) and likes to experiment with ingredient options.
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Thank you sir, about the science of ice cream
Wonderful video & amaizing information as usual! 👏👏👏
Thank you 🙏
Thank you for the useful information
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Always great
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Wow,ice cream science is described in a lovely way,i am your fan now .
Welcome onboard
So much amazing information, thank you 🙌 I love how nerdy you are about the science of ice cream, your passion comes across in your videos. Oh and you should wear your glasses more often 😉
Haha noted 🤓
Modernist Pantry currently (Jun 2024) sells both locust bean gum and tara gum for the same price $20 USD/50g. $0.40 to $4.00 per 1kg batch, depending on dosage. Guar gum is only $8 USD/50g at Modernist Pantry and much less from other suppliers.
They are by far one of the most expensive places to buy stuff from unfortunately. It’s actually cheaper to buy it in the EU and ship it to US/Canada.
Thanks for generous info 🎉I experimented with chia seed gel, green mashed plantains, coconut cream, cornstarch, potato starch tapioca, oats results extremely creamy, no big crystals. Best results so far, no artificial gums.
The majority of them aren’t artificial, they are just made like anything else. The only ones I don’t like are CMC and GMS. I can see how chia seed “could” work as the fibre swells to stabilize water, coconut cream is just fat, bananas and plantains are just starch and sugar, cornstarch, potato starch and tapioca starch are just as “artificial” as the gums… they’re made in labs in exactly the same way Tara, LBG, Guar etc are made and they are all from natural sources.
@@PolarIceCreamery Thanks for good info! Found several research papers for 10% chia and iced milk studies, mouth texture was creamy
@@EasyEarPiano sounds like an interesting place to start. Iced milk is not ice cream though so I wish you luck 👍
Wonderful information! Thanks for letting us know about all of this! So let me ask; what stabilizer will produce the coldest yet smooth consistency in ice cream, and let’s say we’re talking about vanilla ice cream.
Well you actually don’t want it too cold, that’s a sign of too much free, unaccountable water in the ice cream. You’ll try some n some stores and you think “too cold” and someone will laugh and say ” well it’s ice cream!” But they don’t understand. Guar Gum+LBG+ Carrageenan is a time served combination, Tara gum is excellent, LBG n its own in a well balanced recipe is also excellent. For something like vanilla, start with Tara gum at 0.1% of the total recipe and go from there.
Thanks for the informative video!
Quick question, could/would/should you use tapioca starch in conjunction with Xanthan Gum + Gelatin ?
No, you would not need to. I’ve never tried that combo but starches need very high heat to completely activate. Gelatin melts at 40C but you only need to melt it then add it, you don’t need to heat the entire base for a Xanthan + Gelatin combo.
Do you have any experience with polysorbate 80? Obviously it also very much pushes the proccesses boundaries, but it is supposed to be an astonishingly efficient emulsifier.
I aquired some and have used it for two batches.
The main thing i seemed to notice is I seem to be able to leave the batc in my compressor machine longer to get more over run without getting the greasy feel from fat coalescing due to over churning.
Supposedly it also combines especially well with mono- and diglycerides, though I have not been able to aquire any to test.
Also do you have any thoughts on combining small amoubts of various gums to create synergistic effects between them?
Synergistic combination is an excellent way to achieve a perfect result. That’s really what it’s all about!
I personally don’t use Polysorbate 80 but it apparently combines well with lecithin too so might be worth a try if you fancy it 👍
Thank you for putting out that video! About Tara gum, can it be blended into the mix of vegan Ice cream at a cold temperature? Is there a standard amount (percentage of the gum in a recipe) that is recomended? Thank you
Start with 0.1-0.2% of your total mix weight. Tara does need heating to correctly activate.
Love your channel mate! It has really helped my Ice cream game. You cover here CMC, but HPMC (E464) seems very similar. Is it? Have you used it? Same reservations as with CMC?
I have never seen it for sale tbh out side of massive commercial suppliers. It actually holds water better than CMC!
It is sold as "Soft bake" for glutenfree bread where I live (scandinavia) and is very very commonly used commercially, but no prob getting it in gluten free stores & even the gluten free section in ordinary grocery stores often have it @@PolarIceCreamery
@@dinguspu1463 it’s definitely not available here or the UK. If it’s available where you are, give it a try 👍
Been trying HPMC now (tasteless! and synergy with xanthan is excellent)and reading all I can find. Had a long convo with ChatGPT, but 1 question remains: Do I want to heat it up to form a gel, or to just use its stabilizer properties which works without heating up? @@PolarIceCreamery
@@dinguspu1463 you’d only want to heat it up (create a gel) if you’re making a low fat recipe really. Gels are mainly when there isn’t enough solids in a recipe due to the type of recipe it is. Plant based can struggle for solids, sorbet can etc
I’m new here. I’m all for dairy milk ice cream and have an idea of what to use thanks to you. My daughter likes the coconut and nut milk ice creams can you/ have you discussed those? I’d love to know what I can use to stabilizing those ice creams. 🍨
FYI, LBG is pretty pricey right now. We are trying not to break the bank. I can get most items though online in California.
Yep I normally do complex vegan ice creams but am going to do more simple ones so keep an eye out. Yeah it’s getting expensive $$$ just stick to something like Guar Gum, cheap, does the job well enough and works in most recipes 👍
Also welcome to the ice cream family ☺️
A very informative, I have one query, could we use GMS and Guar Gum together, if so what is the proportion.
I’ve seen commercial blends combine all sorts but personally I’m not sure it’s necessary. It depends on the recipe it’s going to be used in too. Most home users will find GG is sufficient, commercial blends tend to combine GMS and CMC.
@@PolarIceCreamery Thank you for your support.
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As I thought of making ice creams, I have been following your videos lately and they providd a good information. Thank you.
I wanted to make high protein ice cream and here is my combination of solids: Milk Protein Concentrates, Cream, Stevia, Fruit pulp. Will this lead to a good gelato/ice cream? Am I missing any thing here? Could you please help me in this
Probably not to be honest, it’ll be solid as a rock 🪨
Is it necessary to heat the liquid when we use the starches? Btw can we have a video about the types of packaging and storing of the icecream because some types of packaging are really expensive(like the polystyrene one) but if we do not use that it is hard to keep the icecream in its perfect state when we do the delivery.😀
All starches need heating to activate, they grains of starch swell when heated and release more starch, that’s what makes them thicken liquids.
Ok I’ll have a look at a packaging video 👍
Enjoy your video clips and watch them regularly. Great channel for ice cream makers.
Some questions: I use a combination of skimmed milk powder, inulin and a small quantity of egg (solids after heating - 73-75C for 20-30 minutes - are roughly 7%, 4% and 2% respectively) with a cream/milk liquid base when making ice cream. Sugar is 8-10% of solids, depending on flavour I'm making.
How do you rate inulin? For what purpose would you use it? If you do not normally use it, what do you prefer using in its place?
Cheers!!
Hi Peter. I don’t use inulin as it disagrees with me. There’s no need to use it either if you’re making dairy ice cream. Milk, cream, sugar, skimmed milk powder and the flavor are the only things you need really.
Inulin is mainly used in plant based recipes to boost solids. It’s rarely used as sugar as it not particularly functional in that regard. What reason do you use it for out of curiosity?
Good Question: Experimenting came across a recipe that have used successfully that included inulin. I looked up inulin in ice cream and - depending on type and DP value - it can lower sugar and fat content while maintaining similar mouth feel. Based on your comments, might try same recipe minus the inulin. BTW: Thanks for you swift reply and I enjoy watching your videos. They have given me some great insight into various ingredients used in making ice cream. Cheers, @@PolarIceCreamery
BTW: I have noticed thtat using inulin I have been able to reduce sugar and fat content while maintaining same/similar taste and mouth feel
@@petercarver4126that is a common use to be fair. The problem lies when it’s taken too far, inulin only works n this situation to a point. I’ll talk about n a large sugars video very soon.
Thanks for reply. I use 4% or less of solids content. WIll try recipe using 1/2 the amount and without any to see what the results are. Cheers @@PolarIceCreamery
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I agree on tara, since i start using tara, its always comes out consistent. Its like a fool proof stabilizer. 3bucks for 100gram here
Very well priced, were did you get it from if don’t mind me asking? You can email me at polaricecreamery@gmail.com
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Excellent. I use tapioca starch for making chipa(a smal bread with cheese, milk,eggs and butter) . What is the percentage for a gelato?. Thank you.
Sicilian gelato uses starch instead of egg yolks. Start with 20g of Tapioca starch per 1000g of base.
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hello! i would ask you ,I know tara gum needs to be activated at 180 degrees. Is it still useful if it cools down after activation?
It would have to cool down, you can’t churn ice cream at 180f. Even after cooling, it is just as effective. All ice cream stabilizers are made to be effective once cooled again.
Sir, I want to make a gelato so what kind of Stabilizers we can use
Whatever you have available easily.
If we make ice cream and find many ice crystals in the final result, can we melt it, add more (or different) stabilizer, and churn it again? Alternatively, what is the best way to use it in future ice cream batches?
I’ve done it myself many times.
I’m a private chef and want to make better ice cream could you help me improve my recipe? I’d like to use a stabilizer/ emulsifier to simplify the process. The results are good but I do fine ice crystals after extended time in the freezer and also hard to scoop.
500g milk
300g cream
5 egg yolk
30g milk powder
4g gelatin
30g glucose
160g sugar
8g vanilla paste
2g salt
Yes I can, please see the website. www.polaricecreamery.com for details.
Hi! I'd like to use ine tara gum as stabilizer for commercial porpose, which emulsifier can I use in combine? Thank you!
Use sunflower lecithin 👍
@@PolarIceCreamery thank you! This is the best ice cream Chanel so far
Nice to hear ☺️
@@PolarIceCreamery what is the proportion to use it in combination with tara gum? Cheers
They are separate things really. Start with 0.3% to start but emulsifiers can go up a fair amount.
My total ice cream mix with water is 1900 grams (plant based) how much GMS & CMC should i add in grams?
I’ve got no idea what your recipe is? Gelato? American ice cream? High fat, low fat, low solids, so many things affect how much to use.
Sorry for not indicating that, my recipe is 400ml coconut milk and 150grams of oats then 1000ml of water then the rest are sugar,salt,vanilla
@@kevinroireyes6742 a lot of water in there, i'd start at 0.2% of total liquid weight and go from there.
Any idea how much tara gum needed for 1000g powder mix？ Thank you for your help
Depends on the fat content I guess. Are you just trying to stabilize milk?
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Thank you for replying my message, I am trying to reduce my ice crystals. My gelato always taste good first few days then it gets harder and crystals builds up overtime.
Fat content at 6.8%
Also, do I have to heat the tara gum to activate the property? I use immersion blender to mix my liquid .
What brand powder mix are you using? Most artisan makers will reduce batch size so it’s not sitting out for so long.
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Cutrently, I am using FAbbri 50F but I am not sure how much stabilizer it has inside the powder mix . Are you familiar with the brand or tried it in the past ? Thank you again for responding my comment .
No worries 👍 yes and it’s a decent brand. 50f has Guar Gum and CMC as its active stabilizer and emulsifier. If it were me and I wanted to increase the stability, I’d increase the guar gum slightly.
Also where can i buy tara gum for commercial ice cream production. I am in Nigeria
No idea, you’ll have to source that in your country.
@@PolarIceCreamery you can buy from Italy and swiss
@@fereydoonsepahi4607 good to know for those in EU 👍
Please how do i make my commercial ice cream creamy.
My ingredients are
Instant milk powder with 28% veg fat
Sugar
Palsgaard stabilizer/emulsifier
Flavour
Powder whipping cream
You would need a professional recipe creating. Please see www.polaricecreamery.com