With brine being useful, why not sell the leftover brine to food processing companies, chlorine-producing companies, as well as factories that make refrigerators, that way the brine can be used and the country can make more money. They could also make brine wetlands near the water processor plants as wildlife areas for birds that eat brine flies and brine shrimp, they could even breed brine shrimp as livestock food for fish farms and other aquacultures. Plus the algae that can grow in brine pools and feed the shrimp can soak up the carbon dioxide in the air.
Brine is too heavy to be transported and still be profitable to sell. You will need a pipleline which is extremely costly to build and service just to sell brine, still containig sea microorganism that can and will block the tubes and kill the pump sometime. And talking about brine organisms that you and I mentioned, I highly dobut that many species can still live in water that salty
Uninformed racist commentary from McCabe . Many Saudi SWRO plants produce > 400 ,000 m3/d of drinking water , the brine would contains 40,000 tonnes of mixed salts per day , a truck can carry 20 tonnes . It is not realistic to move that quantity of salt. The best approach is to ensure that brine free of chemical additives and dispersed rapidly in the sea ie
The process of desalination, which is the removal of salt from seawater, produces brine, which is a highly concentrated solution of salt and other minerals. This brine is often disposed of by being discharged back into the ocean. The discharge of brine can have a number of negative environmental impacts. The high concentration of salt can kill marine life, and the brine can also alter the salinity of the ocean, which can disrupt marine ecosystems.
If you take salt water and boil it where does all the other stuff goes??? Thus only salt remains by the end of it so where does all the other stuff goes and is it also harmful to the air where it goes???
I read some comments but I just was reading about massive building in both Saudi Arabia and Egypt, especially in building a massive canal for agriculture, which given the evaporation of a canal would seem to lose a lot of water and even if the byproduct of desalinization could be used for batteries, it would mean construction creating more pollution in are region changing air quality as well. That might impact a greater portion of the region as well as ocean qualities. They may be accelerating the ecological, political, geological dangers to themselves and their neighbors.
I work at a desalination plant, not in Saudi Arabia though. The brine being discharged back into the sea gets mixed with incoming seawater to reduce its concentration. It doesn't get discharged at a harmful concentration to marine life. Any brine concentration above a certain range may result in serious legal issues and fines.
Saudi owns the Power plants and use it as they want. They also own all the natural gas and oil needed to supply power to them. Salt is a highly sought after product they can sell also. Being a desert nation, they need to survive. I worked there for 12 years and depended on desalinated water to survive. Water trucks were coming in day and night to fill reservoirs.
If the brine is so terrible pump it out into the desert into big flat ponds with dikes around as needed lakes like this can moderate the temperature and create more rain at worst you end up with huge piles of salt
I was thinking the same thing. Why not use the sand as a filter and just pump it into huge lakes designed to overflow into the next lake and then to the desert.
Disposing of brine in desert regions can have significant negative effects. It can disrupt the natural balance and habitats of desert ecosystems, potentially causing harm to the local flora and fauna. Furthermore, the process of brine disposal can result in soil salinization and contamination, making it difficult for plants to grow and potentially affecting the quality of groundwater. In addition, the construction of artificial ponds may disturb desert landscapes, impacting the movement and migration patterns of wildlife.
Pumping brine into the desert is the worst option. You would totally contaminate ground water. If you want more rainfall, one needs to plant more trees so that the bacteria respired can help clouds form raindrops. The Saudi Desert was man made. If it was once forest, it can become it again. Surface water needs to soak into the landscape. Wadies need to be built in water courses, swales constructed, trees and desert weeds planted with biostumulants so the seeds create soil as means of retaining water. In terms of agriculture, monocrops and artificial fertilisers make the plants require much more water. Saudi Arabia needs to investigate multiple plant family cropping and harvesting, convincing the population to eat more desert appropriate food (prickly pear pads, and other succulents, mushrooms ), consuming the whole plant of cucurbits (these can be grown under solar panels reducing the temperature and making solar panels more efficient), fruit trees appropriate for brittle environments such as jujubes, pomegranates and fig. There are more appropriate desert animals such as goats, chicken and fish. One of the biggest problems with Saudi Arabia's agriculture is that the rich are trying to be European and American with their food production.
Well... surely it's possible to evaporate the water from the waste brine rather that running it back into the environment... the resulting salt could be disposed of in a different way and could even be exported and used as a salt spread on icy roads... Problem solved
How about the Saudi Corporation, which leases vast acres in Arizona at ridiculously absurd low cost, just to grow Alfalfa to ship back to feed their cattle.?
@brina6680 Educate yourself about the current water restrictions in the west and limited access for Arizona, California, and other southern states to Colorado River water. The extreme drought we've faced and the fact the Corporataion is paying ridiculously low land lease rates, going back for years. And their unlimited access to water. Then you won't need to ask...
@@brina6680What do mean what about? With the long running drought situation in the southwest, Saudi corporations by large chunks of Arizona land at a discount and deplete our under ground aquifer levels while local farmers are limited to pumping levels. Alfalfa is a high water intensive crop, then they ship it back to their own country. We benefit here zero, as they steal our water.
In the short term the Saudis are safe, the LONG term the SAUDIS are DOOMED you cannot keep taking water from the sea for ever we already have a water shortage in Europe.
Didn't Ghandhi lead a demonstration to the sea coast to extract salt (By evaporation) to avoid the salt tax in India. I think it was a book about the "Longest hedge in the World" to stop salt being taken into Northern India.
The Salt March was a major success. It inspired millions of Indians to join the independence movement, and it put pressure on the British government to negotiate with the Indian National Congress. The Salt March is considered to be one of the most important events in the history of India's independence.
@@allenaxp6259 Agreed, the stupidity of taxing a vital resource led to problems and a revolution in France and probably elsewhere. But it was the sheer effort of growing the hedge to cut off the north of India from salt from the south.
*you want know what's crazy, and should "terrify scientist" ?* i live in Ontario, Canada. we are _literally_ surrounded by 90% plus of the worlds freshwater, and even we are conserving water. flushing the toilets actually causes my water bill to increase dramatically, and many of the activities we once enjoyed as kids, like running a sprinkler are not cost feasible anymore....
That's because Canada has too many beurcrats like most countries that splintered off UK. We have a similar problem in us because Cali one of most populated states any regs it adopts usually gets adopted by manufacturers so years ago Cali passed a reg saying all new. Construction had to use low capacity toilets because they had a drought because most of state built in desert.the plumbers said that was a bad idea because it would cause more stoppages and waste more water because you now had to flush multiple times to get turds to go down. Well now all toilets in us are low capacity.
Reversal osmosis and artificial rain are another means of getting more water. Also using alternative methods of generating electricity for the desalination plants instead of hydrocarbon for cleaner environment.
how can a desert society so blatantly defy BASIC water needs for decades and STLL drill for new water PLUS tries desperately to maintain production of wheat for instance - what horrible decisions
Desert-suited trees for rainfall, waste water for water, hydrogen and nitrogen.. focus on quality selection for land restoration & water resources.. All the best✌️
I just love how this one sided video uses images that are not in Saudi Arabia. They don't even have anyone giving a counter argument for their process of obtaining water. Very intellectual! This makes me trust the show's creators and "Nature Discoveries" even more. 🤪
its AI generated, probably contains falsehoods, and contains internally conflicting information, ill bet they didnt even bother using gpt 4 and used 3.5
For the brine from desalination plants, make large inland holding ponds, the brine will evaporate, salt and contamination will be left in the ponds. Could pump the seawater inland, to desalination inland, send fresh water to irrigate
@@anonymouslyominous3 The issue they were having with the brine was when returned to the Ocean it kills all the life where it is dumped back in. I was thinking just dump it in the desert, middle of nowhere but year it could be blown around
Desalination needs to develop methods that generate less brine and dispose of it without returning it to the ocean. And use solar power rather than oil. And use water evaporation/capture technology. Sooner or later all those middle east countries are going to build domed cities. They will be able to recycle evry drop. And the poor will suffer the most from any failure.
It should work by freezing seawater too. That would be a good way to remove most of the salt if not all. Making it easier to turn into 100% freshwater.
What about a concrete trench miles long with a recycled plastic canopy which uses the suns heat to evaporate the water to drip to the sides with a catching system, separating the water from salt. Sell the brine and make sea salt. Or a solar panel attached to a cooling rod which circles by a recycled plastic tube and catch the condensation. Also, why don't we put the water going onto crops just 6-12 inches deep so the roots get it more efficiently and lessens evaporation of crop water... Just ideas.. can anybody use these to benefit many water scare countries?
Nice thoughts and I would use that on sea in small scale in a boat to get water for drinking....But I'm afraid that this solves only partially the water issue for the country. It's a little slow, evaporation. But no worry...I suppose it's much cheaper than digging an enormous surface for trenches to evaporate a substantial amount of water if in that sunny climate the Saoudis put a big area with solar panels...using that energy for desalination of seawater.
@@reiniernn9071 yes and the solar panels can have heating rods too to help increase the rate of condensation/evaporation. And sections of track that can remove the brine. Without interrupting the process at all. If I had money I would absolutely have faith that many steps makes the road. And many bricks are each tools for the grand purpose of the finished wall
What you are suggesting would take so much land space and would not produce sufficient amounts of water needed for the population. The technology you are referring to is called solar stills and it works well in low use applications such as individual homesteads. This technology does not scale up well and is very labor intensive in needing removal of the salt crystals which adhere to the walls. The energy and water it would take to remove the crystallized salts would negate any energy savings.
@@ernestestrada2461 so I see a two foot wide trench with sections to collect the salt brine. But the trench would be miles long which can make an continuous S shape. I don't think it would take so much space no more than a few city blocks. And if u can stack this trench... I mean make it stories high... I think it would be efficient on a large scale. The key would be the continuous evaporation and condensation on the plastic tarp... I thinks it's very possible. But I would never know without a team of researchers.
many inaccurate information, ie the red see salt content is 4.3% 43,000 PPM, the gulf is about 5%, since these seas have narrow access to oceans, the evaporation rate increases their salinity. brine is far much more concentrated. water consumption was high since the network that delivers water to houses had huge number of leaks (this is being fixed)
You failed to mention the reason why reclaimed wastewater is not suitable for human consumption is the concentration of heavy metals due to the use of these metals in the household plumbing for portable water and the use of heavy metals in connecting the sewage pipes. Using reclaimed water that has been processed properly can be consumed by humans if the heavy metal content is not excessive. These waters can be used to water lawns, city parks and use that power generating stations for the steam water. In fact, where I live there are power generation stations using reclaimed water. The downside of using reclaimed water is that the water is not released into aquarian areas to be filtered with natural grass and plants to replenish the aquifer. If this is a point that you failed to mention that reusing treated wastewater robs water whichr would have naturally percolated to the aquifers. In our home we have low flush toilets, water saving shower heads, and an automated watering system to deliver water directly to the roots of our plant and tree. There are things that we definitely can do to reduce water usage, but we also have to have water. Desalinization is one answer and the effects of discharging brine can be mitigated by discharging through pipes the brine far offshore through.
They've found that PFAS have gotten into Michigan's sewage system due to industrial runoff. Hence I am only somewhat a fan of reclaimed water. These are cancerous forever chemicals. God knows what other toxic substances get into our sewer systems. Obviously the solution is to have better filtration systems as well as regulations on what can go down the sewer systems. I do believe in desalinization plants and that the brine problem can be mitigated. Although the brine is concentrated copper, chlorine, and other things, it all comes from the ocean.
Actually it's a good thing for the oceans. Due to the melting of polar ice caps it's pumping more fresh water into our oceans. Which will cause a catastrophic effect on the Earth.
No. Every drop of water that was on this planet 5 billion years ago, is STILL HERE. It never leaves. It recycles. Refer to your 3rd grade science texts.
They live in a desert, build rivers threw the desert feeding man made lakes fed by the ocean, let nature do its thing and produce rain. and be absorbed, earth acts as a great filter to remove salt restore ground water deep down
in Canada we probably have the largest reserve of fresh water of the world ! We have so many lake and river its crazy . Us too have large reserve cause we both have ( together ) the greats lake , that are all fresh waters
You have 250,000 square miles of desolate wasteland comprised of nothing but sand. Why not dispose of the brine in the desert and cover it with the sand. It would take thousands of years to run out of space and in the meantime, there will be better waste solutions discovered.
Produce water is the same of producing energy. You may use different alternative methods combined and working together. Good public education for a responsable use is also fundamental.
Only the scary thing about it is that the Saudis can buy most of the shares in European water companies and because of this they will affect our water prices, in the future water may be too expensive for moast of us.
There are industrial processes that could use the brine and salt from the desalination process, but the Saudis neve dirtied their hands with developing an industrial infrastructure. When the Western and Asian industrial countries no longer needs Saudi oil... The End.
Saudi Arabia's Artificial River: A Bold Vision for a Sustainable Future Saudi Arabia is an arid land, with most of its territory covered in desert. Water is a precious resource in the country, and the Saudi government is committed to protecting and managing it sustainably. One of the government's most ambitious projects is the construction of an artificial river. Why is Saudi Arabia building an artificial river? The simple answer is to have a continuous flowing river rather than a seasonal one. Saudi Arabia's natural rivers are ephemeral, meaning that they flow only during the rainy season. This makes it difficult to rely on them for a consistent supply of water. An artificial river, on the other hand, would provide a reliable source of water for drinking, irrigation, and other uses. How is this possible? The artificial river will be powered by desalinated water. Desalination is the process of removing salt from seawater to make it drinkable. Saudi Arabia has a number of desalination plants in operation, and the country is investing in new desalination technologies to increase its water production capacity.
Ok, so turn all your offshore oil platforms into atmospheric water generators to make drinking water and powered it by slow speed underwater turbines called Waterotors made in Canada. Atmospheric water generators can operate at max efficiency just off the service of the ocean where humidity is 100%. You might add wind, solar and Waterotors in tidel flow areas to make drinking water and electrical power to sell or use back on shore. This idea works without the problems of desalination plants returning salty brine back into the ocean.
Ok. Can anyone else see what’s wrong with this picture? The money to fund these expensive operations and the huge population growth has come from extorting the rest of the world for their one resource. Oil. But now that world is actively trying to stop using oil. If this succeeds eventually the saudi”s cash cow will dry up leaving all these elaborate plans impossible to fulfill. Then what?
Nuclear Power & Desalination of seawater together will increase their GDP so much that it will be more than enough to make all their water & energy needs.
One doesn’t need to be a rocket scientist to read the writing on the wall, not just for Saudi Arabia for for us all, welcome to planet Dune, where the most valuable substance in the universe is H2O….
Very uninformed . Reverse Osmosis SWRO plants are now replacing most thermal SWRO plant in Saudi . 1) they do not have copper in the brine 2) they do not have chlorine in the brine (all chlorine must be removed before polyamide SWRO membranes) . 3) There is concern about the use of antiscalants , and it is possible to remove its use by correct design of the SWRO . Thus the brine can be made clean . A correctly designed outfall can ensure the brine is dispersed so that by 100m of the outfall the salinity to no more than 2% salinity above ambient , this protects seagrass and marine life .
Kern mcgee in the desert of kerr-mcgee which holds salt brine was one of the first desalination plants I ever saw back in the 80s people should do this all over the place
@@rob214 with further processing you get: chlorine, electrolytes, table/road salt, lithium, etc. Usually not worth the trouble to extract, but with the scale of waste involved, it's worthwhile.
@@Einwetok that sounds good I'll have to see it work in the long term most new battery energy technology hasn't paned out and has had some serious flaws and problems
Suggest the desalination salt water be recycle to make salt to sell back to his own population. If not, the sea will be so salted even fish and seafood cannot survive and post a chain of economic sea food destructions in related.
The brine problem makes no sense remove all the water by running it thru solar stills save water remote copper and other chemicals for industrial purposes. No waste to pollute environment.
If Saudi Arabia is clever, they will be able to use sodium collected from the desalination process and contribute it to the new battery production for electric vehicles. instead of pumping it back into the water and causing issues of aggressive sodium levels back into the sea 🌊
What I don’t understand is, why the waste water isn’t stored in huge isolated desert areas. First of all the sand is a natural filter, huge dunes have no plant life. If there ate no fresh water resources beneath it, it cant contaminate salt wayer eras with hifgh salt concentrations. Even if you pump alot of fresh water up, yuo don’t want to create random sinkholes.Much of the water is sprayed on top, but more sustainable would be under ground. Fixing the water level. Nature uses brackish water to switch from one type to another. Why not copy that system. You want a brine that isn’t contaminated. Because then you can deposit it in old excavated salt mine areas. Too much focus on technology, while nature solved the problem long ago.
Actually what they do is extract part of the water, it would be too expensive to extract it all. That is why they do not take advantage of the salts and the water with excess salt is thrown into the sea.
Why don’t they pump the brine out into the desert ? Allowing the salt and other minerals to be harvested and also increasing the relative humidity of the area as well as possible chances of rain ?
Using a spawned out salmon, which would have been in a FRESH water river or lake, as proof of brine contamination.... are you purposely trying to ruin your credibility? 😂
As oil rich as that Country is, they can mass produce filtration systems that pump clean Ocean water into their lands. Instead of being dependant on foreign sources.. I mean, if cities can clean sewage to a point of drinkability, just imagine what could be done with mere Ocean water 😎
Thinking about this, was thinking if they build a wall real high to act as a cloud brake, to hold rain, they could transform this into forest, and yeah, I know they're building a wall scraper, but was this function considered? Maybe not, though, if so, maybe kept secret as so not to invoke a problem with those who get that rain now. Sure though, that rain is there desalination water vapor, more than nature, but moved natural.
Instead of sending the brime back into the ocean how about if they use that salt for table salt or even road salt and why can't they filter out all the chemicals did they use before releasing the rest
With brine being useful, why not sell the leftover brine to food processing companies, chlorine-producing companies, as well as factories that make refrigerators, that way the brine can be used and the country can make more money. They could also make brine wetlands near the water processor plants as wildlife areas for birds that eat brine flies and brine shrimp, they could even breed brine shrimp as livestock food for fish farms and other aquacultures. Plus the algae that can grow in brine pools and feed the shrimp can soak up the carbon dioxide in the air.
Saudis dont think that way. They are in the 10th century.
@@BMcCabe Someone finally said it
Brine is too heavy to be transported and still be profitable to sell. You will need a pipleline which is extremely costly to build and service just to sell brine, still containig sea microorganism that can and will block the tubes and kill the pump sometime. And talking about brine organisms that you and I mentioned, I highly dobut that many species can still live in water that salty
Companies that need brine can get it for cheaper
Uninformed racist commentary from McCabe . Many Saudi SWRO plants produce > 400 ,000 m3/d of drinking water , the brine would contains 40,000 tonnes of mixed salts per day , a truck can carry 20 tonnes . It is not realistic to move that quantity of salt. The best approach is to ensure that brine free of chemical additives and dispersed rapidly in the sea ie
According to your headline and a few others here, scientists must be easily terrified.
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How birds build their nests terrifies scientists
From where?
Did you saw openheimer or Albert terrified until the blunder way out?
The process of desalination, which is the removal of salt from seawater, produces brine, which is a highly concentrated solution of salt and other minerals. This brine is often disposed of by being discharged back into the ocean.
The discharge of brine can have a number of negative environmental impacts. The high concentration of salt can kill marine life, and the brine can also alter the salinity of the ocean, which can disrupt marine ecosystems.
If you take salt water and boil it where does all the other stuff goes??? Thus only salt remains by the end of it so where does all the other stuff goes and is it also harmful to the air where it goes???
To bad we can use the salt as a kind of renewable fuel or energy.
I read some comments but I just was reading about massive building in both Saudi Arabia and Egypt, especially in building a massive canal for agriculture, which given the evaporation of a canal would seem to lose a lot of water and even if the byproduct of desalinization could be used for batteries, it would mean construction creating more pollution in are region changing air quality as well. That might impact a greater portion of the region as well as ocean qualities. They may be accelerating the ecological, political, geological dangers to themselves and their neighbors.
But if global warming is adding more fresh water into the ocean then itll balance itself out. Problem solved.
If we just dump the brine into the league of legends community, no one would know the difference 😅 problem solved
I work at a desalination plant, not in Saudi Arabia though. The brine being discharged back into the sea gets mixed with incoming seawater to reduce its concentration. It doesn't get discharged at a harmful concentration to marine life. Any brine concentration above a certain range may result in serious legal issues and fines.
Lies again? Serie A Leader AIA Money
🤣 This man thinks the hyper rich of saudia arabia care about fines or laws.
@@monolyn and this fool thinks we Saudis are idiots because we are rich, and don't care about the the sea where we can get food from.
I think the brine concentration is around 40%
Kind'a embarrassing when you try to make a video about water desalination plants and use video of sewage treatment plants in the documentary.
Saudi owns the Power plants and use it as they want. They also own all the natural gas and oil needed to supply power to them. Salt is a highly sought after product they can sell also.
Being a desert nation, they need to survive. I worked there for 12 years and depended on desalinated water to survive. Water trucks were coming in day and night to fill reservoirs.
If the brine is so terrible pump it out into the desert into big flat ponds with dikes around as needed lakes like this can moderate the temperature and create more rain at worst you end up with huge piles of salt
I was thinking the same thing. Why not use the sand as a filter and just pump it into huge lakes designed to overflow into the next lake and then to the desert.
Disposing of brine in desert regions can have significant negative effects. It can disrupt the natural balance and habitats of desert ecosystems, potentially causing harm to the local flora and fauna. Furthermore, the process of brine disposal can result in soil salinization and contamination, making it difficult for plants to grow and potentially affecting the quality of groundwater. In addition, the construction of artificial ponds may disturb desert landscapes, impacting the movement and migration patterns of wildlife.
Ask what people around the Great Salt Lake what they think about exposed salt piles in the desert.
Pumping brine into the desert is the worst option. You would totally contaminate ground water. If you want more rainfall, one needs to plant more trees so that the bacteria respired can help clouds form raindrops. The Saudi Desert was man made. If it was once forest, it can become it again. Surface water needs to soak into the landscape. Wadies need to be built in water courses, swales constructed, trees and desert weeds planted with biostumulants so the seeds create soil as means of retaining water. In terms of agriculture, monocrops and artificial fertilisers make the plants require much more water. Saudi Arabia needs to investigate multiple plant family cropping and harvesting, convincing the population to eat more desert appropriate food (prickly pear pads, and other succulents, mushrooms ), consuming the whole plant of cucurbits (these can be grown under solar panels reducing the temperature and making solar panels more efficient), fruit trees appropriate for brittle environments such as jujubes, pomegranates and fig. There are more appropriate desert animals such as goats, chicken and fish. One of the biggest problems with Saudi Arabia's agriculture is that the rich are trying to be European and American with their food production.
Somebody give this guy a job !!!
They could throw the brine into the desert...
Now, create the technology to further process the brine and extract other valuable minerals from it.
Well... surely it's possible to evaporate the water from the waste brine rather that running it back into the environment... the resulting salt could be disposed of in a different way and could even be exported and used as a salt spread on icy roads...
Problem solved
How about the Saudi Corporation, which leases vast acres in Arizona at ridiculously absurd low cost, just to grow Alfalfa to ship back to feed their cattle.?
What about it?
@brina6680 Educate yourself about the current water restrictions in the west and limited access for Arizona, California, and other southern states to Colorado River water. The extreme drought we've faced and the fact the Corporataion is paying ridiculously low land lease rates, going back for years. And their unlimited access to water. Then you won't need to ask...
@@darrelldixon8056thanks for this info. Now it makes so much sense.
@@brina6680What do mean what about? With the long running drought situation in the southwest, Saudi corporations by large chunks of Arizona land at a discount and deplete our under ground aquifer levels while local farmers are limited to pumping levels. Alfalfa is a high water intensive crop, then they ship it back to their own country. We benefit here zero, as they steal our water.
pulling humidity off the ocean surface is the latest new technology, very promising
In the short term the Saudis are safe, the LONG term the SAUDIS are DOOMED you cannot keep taking water from the sea for ever we already have a water shortage in Europe.
Never had problems with water in saudia
Didn't Ghandhi lead a demonstration to the sea coast to extract salt (By evaporation) to avoid the salt tax in India. I think it was a book about the "Longest hedge in the World" to stop salt being taken into Northern India.
The Salt March was a major success. It inspired millions of Indians to join the independence movement, and it put pressure on the British government to negotiate with the Indian National Congress. The Salt March is considered to be one of the most important events in the history of India's independence.
@@allenaxp6259 Agreed, the stupidity of taxing a vital resource led to problems and a revolution in France and probably elsewhere. But it was the sheer effort of growing the hedge to cut off the north of India from salt from the south.
*you want know what's crazy, and should "terrify scientist" ?*
i live in Ontario, Canada. we are _literally_ surrounded by 90% plus of the worlds freshwater, and even we are conserving water.
flushing the toilets actually causes my water bill to increase dramatically, and many of the activities we once enjoyed as kids, like running a sprinkler are not cost feasible anymore....
Exactly, when water rich countries are conserving it, desert countries are wasting it. That should actually terrify scientists 😮
That's because Canada has too many beurcrats like most countries that splintered off UK. We have a similar problem in us because Cali one of most populated states any regs it adopts usually gets adopted by manufacturers so years ago Cali passed a reg saying all new. Construction had to use low capacity toilets because they had a drought because most of state built in desert.the plumbers said that was a bad idea because it would cause more stoppages and waste more water because you now had to flush multiple times to get turds to go down. Well now all toilets in us are low capacity.
Reversal osmosis and artificial rain are another means of getting more water. Also using alternative methods of generating electricity for the desalination plants instead of hydrocarbon for cleaner environment.
I believe you are right , you just forgot one thing .
Among us
The desalination plants shown are large reverse osmosis installations.
Fact: that an Israeli chemist invented the sea water desalination process.
How Ironic that the Saudi's still hated their benefactors.
how can a desert society so blatantly defy BASIC water needs for decades and STLL drill for new water PLUS tries desperately to maintain production of wheat for instance - what horrible decisions
Incredible population spike in their country is the reason why. Sudden wealth, sudden immigration, sudden population expansion.
Desert-suited trees for rainfall, waste water for water, hydrogen and nitrogen.. focus on quality selection for land restoration & water resources.. All the best✌️
I just love how this one sided video uses images that are not in Saudi Arabia. They don't even have anyone giving a counter argument for their process of obtaining water. Very intellectual! This makes me trust the show's creators and "Nature Discoveries" even more. 🤪
they're using copyright free videos
its AI generated, probably contains falsehoods, and contains internally conflicting information, ill bet they didnt even bother using gpt 4 and used 3.5
For the brine from desalination plants, make large inland holding ponds, the brine will evaporate, salt and contamination will be left in the ponds. Could pump the seawater inland, to desalination inland, send fresh water to irrigate
Yea but when its drys and ends being picked up by the wind , that can also have negative effects , yya can't win
@@anonymouslyominous3 The issue they were having with the brine was when returned to the Ocean it kills all the life where it is dumped back in. I was thinking just dump it in the desert, middle of nowhere but year it could be blown around
So basically increasing the quality of leading to a population increase therefore creating a bigger issue
Desalination needs to develop methods that generate less brine and dispose of it without returning it to the ocean. And use solar power rather than oil. And use water evaporation/capture technology. Sooner or later all those middle east countries are going to build domed cities. They will be able to recycle evry drop. And the poor will suffer the most from any failure.
According to a study? Give me a break
When oil is cheaper than water you can desalinate sea water , rest of world not that lucky
They can use solar energy
It should work by freezing seawater too. That would be a good way to remove most of the salt if not all. Making it easier to turn into 100% freshwater.
how would it work by freezing saltwater
@@ado3247 the salt should sink leaving a layer of mostly freshwater ice over a layer of very salty brine water.
Desalination plant is long time been used in KSA, It's a combine cycle heat and power generation.
actually its 1,08T not 800B
We’ll, our best option is to find a way to energize salt 🧂
Right ye are the salt of the earth
What about a concrete trench miles long with a recycled plastic canopy which uses the suns heat to evaporate the water to drip to the sides with a catching system, separating the water from salt. Sell the brine and make sea salt. Or a solar panel attached to a cooling rod which circles by a recycled plastic tube and catch the condensation. Also, why don't we put the water going onto crops just 6-12 inches deep so the roots get it more efficiently and lessens evaporation of crop water... Just ideas.. can anybody use these to benefit many water scare countries?
Nice thoughts and I would use that on sea in small scale in a boat to get water for drinking....But I'm afraid that this solves only partially the water issue for the country. It's a little slow, evaporation. But no worry...I suppose it's much cheaper than digging an enormous surface for trenches to evaporate a substantial amount of water if in that sunny climate the Saoudis put a big area with solar panels...using that energy for desalination of seawater.
@@reiniernn9071 yes and the solar panels can have heating rods too to help increase the rate of condensation/evaporation. And sections of track that can remove the brine. Without interrupting the process at all. If I had money I would absolutely have faith that many steps makes the road. And many bricks are each tools for the grand purpose of the finished wall
Plastic = death
What you are suggesting would take so much land space and would not produce sufficient amounts of water needed for the population.
The technology you are referring to is called solar stills and it works well in low use applications such as individual homesteads. This technology does not scale up well and is very labor intensive in needing removal of the salt crystals which adhere to the walls.
The energy and water it would take to remove the crystallized salts would negate any energy savings.
@@ernestestrada2461 so I see a two foot wide trench with sections to collect the salt brine. But the trench would be miles long which can make an continuous S shape. I don't think it would take so much space no more than a few city blocks. And if u can stack this trench... I mean make it stories high... I think it would be efficient on a large scale. The key would be the continuous evaporation and condensation on the plastic tarp... I thinks it's very possible. But I would never know without a team of researchers.
Use of evaporization is by far more energy efficient, much cheaper and comes with less environmental issues.
many inaccurate information, ie the red see salt content is 4.3% 43,000 PPM, the gulf is about 5%, since these seas have narrow access to oceans, the evaporation rate increases their salinity. brine is far much more concentrated.
water consumption was high since the network that delivers water to houses had huge number of leaks (this is being fixed)
Solar Desalination
You failed to mention the reason why reclaimed wastewater is not suitable for human consumption is the concentration of heavy metals due to the use of these metals in the household plumbing for portable water and the use of heavy metals in connecting the sewage pipes.
Using reclaimed water that has been processed properly can be consumed by humans if the heavy metal content is not excessive.
These waters can be used to water lawns, city parks and use that power generating stations for the steam water. In fact, where I live there are power generation stations using reclaimed water.
The downside of using reclaimed water is that the water is not released into aquarian areas to be filtered with natural grass and plants to replenish the aquifer.
If this is a point that you failed to mention that reusing treated wastewater robs water whichr would have naturally percolated to the aquifers.
In our home we have low flush toilets, water saving shower heads, and an automated watering system to deliver water directly to the roots of our plant and tree.
There are things that we definitely can do to reduce water usage, but we also have to have water. Desalinization is one answer and the effects of discharging brine can be mitigated by discharging through pipes the brine far offshore through.
How Mao
They've found that PFAS have gotten into Michigan's sewage system due to industrial runoff. Hence I am only somewhat a fan of reclaimed water. These are cancerous forever chemicals. God knows what other toxic substances get into our sewer systems. Obviously the solution is to have better filtration systems as well as regulations on what can go down the sewer systems.
I do believe in desalinization plants and that the brine problem can be mitigated. Although the brine is concentrated copper, chlorine, and other things, it all comes from the ocean.
AI generated gibberish
So it's like a Mars colony but on Earth lol
Why not build a nuclear plant to power a desalination plant and dump the brine into a desert and create a dead sea like area..
Will using Billions and billions of gallons of sea water have any significant impact on sea levels?
Actually it's a good thing for the oceans.
Due to the melting of polar ice caps it's pumping more fresh water into our oceans.
Which will cause a catastrophic effect on the Earth.
No, because it all ends back in the sea.
Let them pump the seawater, bcoz the north pole is melting
Not really
No. Every drop of water that was on this planet 5 billion years ago, is STILL HERE. It never leaves. It recycles. Refer to your 3rd grade science texts.
Why do they keep showing sewage treatment plants on a potable water treatment video?
now you know why living by a river in a desert area in ancient time
I dont understand why people critizise Saudi Arabia so much. They produce so much clean water for the people...
They live in a desert, build rivers threw the desert feeding man made lakes fed by the ocean, let nature do its thing and produce rain. and be absorbed, earth acts as a great filter to remove salt restore ground water deep down
Right water too dirty or salty
Solar desalinization anyone?
Sometimes you say "Consumption" and at other times "Consummation". Generally, consummation is the act of sexual intercourse after a marriage.
in Canada we probably have the largest reserve of fresh water of the world ! We have so many lake and river its crazy . Us too have large reserve cause we both have ( together ) the greats lake , that are all fresh waters
You are forth, behind 1. Brazil 2 russia 3 USA. Us has slightly more fresh water than canada. Brazil has more than double canada
@@parziiich by citizen we are the first
@@parziiich by citizen we are the first
It makes a lot of sense to have the line where atmospheric humidity can be recovered and used as water
You have 250,000 square miles of desolate wasteland comprised of nothing but sand. Why not dispose of the brine in the desert and cover it with the sand. It would take thousands of years to run out of space and in the meantime, there will be better waste solutions discovered.
Well you have to start somewhere. Combustion engines used to be terrible inefficient as well as batteries. Eventually, it will be efficient and cheap.
Why not use Pipelines to Move Ocean Water inland and create Ecosystems around Large Lakes and Rain will follow...
Dump the brine water in the middle of the desert and let it evaporate lithium style
Which is cheaper per cubic metre between desalination and importing water in big oil-carrier like ships?
Desalination is cheaper than using ships.
Import water from the South pole. Have 100 tankers transporting water from the Antarctica continuously.
That's salty
@@Chalado-Schamane I thought south pole ice was fresh water
It's 4 in the morning. Why am I watching 👀 this?
Produce water is the same of producing energy.
You may use different alternative methods combined and working together.
Good public education for a responsable use is also fundamental.
Only the scary thing about it is that the Saudis can buy most of the shares in European water companies and because of this they will affect our water prices, in the future water may be too expensive for moast of us.
Capitalism 👏
It's a race to see which country hoards the most water.
Atlantis won
boil the brine until all of the water is gone!!!!!!!!!!
There are industrial processes that could use the brine and salt from the desalination process, but the Saudis neve dirtied their hands with developing an industrial infrastructure.
When the Western and Asian industrial countries no longer needs Saudi oil... The End.
they should not be allowed to own and pump water out of our aquifers
huh
"our aquifers" whose exactly? Lol
Saudi Arabia's Artificial River: A Bold Vision for a Sustainable Future
Saudi Arabia is an arid land, with most of its territory covered in desert. Water is a precious resource in the country, and the Saudi government is committed to protecting and managing it sustainably. One of the government's most ambitious projects is the construction of an artificial river.
Why is Saudi Arabia building an artificial river?
The simple answer is to have a continuous flowing river rather than a seasonal one. Saudi Arabia's natural rivers are ephemeral, meaning that they flow only during the rainy season. This makes it difficult to rely on them for a consistent supply of water. An artificial river, on the other hand, would provide a reliable source of water for drinking, irrigation, and other uses.
How is this possible?
The artificial river will be powered by desalinated water. Desalination is the process of removing salt from seawater to make it drinkable. Saudi Arabia has a number of desalination plants in operation, and the country is investing in new desalination technologies to increase its water production capacity.
Ok, so turn all your offshore oil platforms into atmospheric water generators to make drinking water and powered it by slow speed underwater turbines called Waterotors made in Canada. Atmospheric water generators can operate at max efficiency just off the service of the ocean where humidity is 100%. You might add wind, solar and Waterotors in tidel flow areas to make drinking water and electrical power to sell or use back on shore. This idea works without the problems of desalination plants returning salty brine back into the ocean.
Ok. Can anyone else see what’s wrong with this picture? The money to fund these expensive operations and the huge population growth has come from extorting the rest of the world for their one resource. Oil. But now that world is actively trying to stop using oil. If this succeeds eventually the saudi”s cash cow will dry up leaving all these elaborate plans impossible to fulfill. Then what?
Basically this video is funded by that eco wind turbine company.
I watched a 22 minutes video for 4 (maybe 5) minutes of content. Thanks...
Saudis are using 2 trillion gallons a year in America and are not being charged by Colorado or Arizona and they are only paying 25 dollars per acre
Israel Brought this technology to Saudi Arabia and in other countries
Lol no they don’t even have relations with Saudi
Use Solar Stills. Distill water using Solar Panels.
the prophet already predicted that Saudi desert will turn into a farmland oasis
From 2022 Saudi has big rivers from rain, hail and snow
seriously , that one person on earth that " yeah , its the best place on earth to live" to arabian peninsula amaze me
and they want to build yet another tallest sky scraper and a "The Line" city......wat a bunchum.
Nuclear Power & Desalination of seawater together will increase their GDP so much that it will be more than enough to make all their water & energy needs.
One doesn’t need to be a rocket scientist to read the writing on the wall, not just for Saudi Arabia for for us all, welcome to planet Dune, where the most valuable substance in the universe is H2O….
Unfortunatly if people are not charged for their water they will not be careful with it !
Very uninformed . Reverse Osmosis SWRO plants are now replacing most thermal SWRO plant in Saudi . 1) they do not have copper in the brine 2) they do not have chlorine in the brine (all chlorine must be removed before polyamide SWRO membranes) . 3) There is concern about the use of antiscalants , and it is possible to remove its use by correct design of the SWRO . Thus the brine can be made clean . A correctly designed outfall can ensure the brine is dispersed so that by 100m of the outfall the salinity to no more than 2% salinity above ambient , this protects seagrass and marine life .
Now a river of water flowing out of the ground by the grace of God Almighty can solve the water problems
Dam the river to save the water
Kern mcgee in the desert of kerr-mcgee which holds salt brine was one of the first desalination plants I ever saw back in the 80s people should do this all over the place
What are you going to do with the salt
@@rob214 with further processing you get: chlorine, electrolytes, table/road salt, lithium, etc. Usually not worth the trouble to extract, but with the scale of waste involved, it's worthwhile.
@@Einwetok that sounds good I'll have to see it work in the long term most new battery energy technology hasn't paned out and has had some serious flaws and problems
This was worth it to learn about EOLE water... though Frank Herbert was writing about that in the early 1960s.
Suggest the desalination salt water be recycle to make salt to sell back to his own population. If not, the sea will be so salted even fish and seafood cannot survive and post a chain of economic sea food destructions in related.
The brine problem makes no sense remove all the water by running it thru solar stills save water remote copper and other chemicals for industrial purposes. No waste to pollute environment.
Operation popeye
The title must be Earth's Destruction by Saudi Arabia
The solution to this requires only a pump to move water. the rest of the system needs no power to create clean drinking water.
If Saudi Arabia is clever, they will be able to use sodium collected from the desalination process and contribute it to the new battery production for electric vehicles. instead of pumping it back into the water and causing issues of aggressive sodium levels back into the sea 🌊
Also find away of collecting the copper and using the remaining waste
What I don’t understand is, why the waste water isn’t stored in huge isolated desert areas. First of all the sand is a natural filter, huge dunes have no plant life. If there ate no fresh water resources beneath it, it cant contaminate salt wayer eras with hifgh salt concentrations. Even if you pump alot of fresh water up, yuo don’t want to create random sinkholes.Much of the water is sprayed on top, but more sustainable would be under ground. Fixing the water level. Nature uses brackish water to switch from one type to another. Why not copy that system. You want a brine that isn’t contaminated. Because then you can deposit it in old excavated salt mine areas. Too much focus on technology, while nature solved the problem long ago.
This new technology will decease humidity in the environment, and again, the scientists will say desalination was a better approach
they could always sell the salt to sea salt companies that way it doesn't go back into the ocean.
Why are they not capturing the minerals in the salts? Economics?
Are you expecting muslims to copy Israel?
Actually what they do is extract part of the water, it would be too expensive to extract it all. That is why they do not take advantage of the salts and the water with excess salt is thrown into the sea.
@@juanjoseleonvarea2495
Solar evaporation is cheap and effective.
Why don’t they pump the brine out into the desert ? Allowing the salt and other minerals to be harvested and also increasing the relative humidity of the area as well as possible chances of rain ?
Using a spawned out salmon, which would have been in a FRESH water river or lake, as proof of brine contamination.... are you purposely trying to ruin your credibility? 😂
looks like moisture farming will be reality in future
Horror of one person rule...
Lot of money but no economic intress
As oil rich as that Country is, they can mass produce filtration systems that pump clean Ocean water into their lands. Instead of being dependant on foreign sources.. I mean, if cities can clean sewage to a point of drinkability, just imagine what could be done with mere Ocean water 😎
Thinking about this, was thinking if they build a wall real high to act as a cloud brake, to hold rain, they could transform this into forest, and yeah, I know they're building a wall scraper, but was this function considered? Maybe not, though, if so, maybe kept secret as so not to invoke a problem with those who get that rain now. Sure though, that rain is there desalination water vapor, more than nature, but moved natural.
the brine could be mined after it adds up to considerable salt flats
It will never run out of water,
I have thought of this for years what are u waiting on Elon
Trade, but there must be a priority shift from profits to people , ideally
You weren't showing Saudi Arabia wheat.
Instead of sending the brime back into the ocean how about if they use that salt for table salt or even road salt and why can't they filter out all the chemicals did they use before releasing the rest
Technology is there, money is there. I don't see the problems.
The Israelis are doing it in the Dead Sea. That is enough to keep any Muslim from doing so.