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  • @the_frankc
    @the_frankc 2 роки тому +1553

    It makes me sad when someone takes advantage of a good mechanic, especially one going above and beyond to be a good person at the cost of his own paycheck. I had a mechanic family friend who always helped me in high school and college when I was broke and he'd tell me about so many of his former customers and friends who would screw him over. It sucks how terrible people can be.

    • @datsunalzheimer
      @datsunalzheimer 2 роки тому +36

      Yeah, I was an apprentice at a volvo dealer for a while, and the customers treated the mechanics like they put pickles in their big macs, its unbelieveable how people behave

    • @SoCaliSurfer13
      @SoCaliSurfer13 2 роки тому +19

      Unfortunately they treat them that way all because of all the shitty mechanics out there who rip people off which is totally fucked up.

    • @datsunalzheimer
      @datsunalzheimer 2 роки тому +16

      @@SoCaliSurfer13 idk how things work in the us, but if someone gets ripped off by a mechanic here, the authorities will step in pretty fast. Its usually the customer bitching about paying for work they signed up for

    • @JSchroederee
      @JSchroederee 2 роки тому +8

      Well it depends on the scummy behavior. My Subaru dealer lied about the regular maintenance schedule, claiming I needed to do what turned out to be 100kmi service at 30kmi. They did the work and I OK'ed it so nothing illegal happened but it was completely dishonest. I reported them to Subaru of America but they didn't seem to care.
      However I think this comes down to there being some garbage people out there some are mechanics some are customers. There's no excuse for either.

    • @ice44567
      @ice44567 2 роки тому +8

      @@SoCaliSurfer13 I mean I'm sure that's a very small aspect of it, it's just people being entitled and shitty and not thinking twice about taking advantage of everyone they can. Good old victim complex is rampant these days.

  • @Richard-HiFiMan
    @Richard-HiFiMan 2 роки тому +100

    I had something similar happen to me back in 2009/2010 when I bought a car once, and sold it twice.
    In late 2008 I bought a cheap Miata with plans to convert into a track car. I ended up dragging my feet on it and it just sat for months taking up space in my driveway. in March of 2009, a friend (at the time) mentioned her boyfriend was looking for an inexpensive car to get back and forth to work with. Being a nice guy I offered to sell them the Miata if they were interested.
    They agreed and we came to deal where they'd pay me every two weeks for six months and then I'd sign over the title with a bill of sale. About three month into this they split up and went their separate ways. I spoke to the ex-boyfriend and he agreed to keep paying for the car. So what should have been six months ended up being closer to a year as he kept making excuses on paying off the balance. He finally paid off the amount due, I provided a bill of sale, the transfer paperwork, and the title. I thought that was the end of it, boy was I wrong.
    Six months later I get a letter from an impound yard saying "my" Miata was there. It seems he had never transferred the title to the car. A few days before his mother had borrowed the car, got pulled over and it was impounded for lack of registration and insurance.
    I call the guy to see if he had the money to get it out, which he didn't but he really wanted the car back. So still being a somewhat nice guy, I offered to get the car out of impound and store it at my place. I would give him four months to pay the impound and title registration fees, the he could have the car. He agreed and I got the car and parked it at my place. I also had a new title issued as he has lost the previous one and couldn't hand it back over to me.
    Of course I never get paid. The only call I had was six months later from his mother begging me to let him have the car even though he hadn't paid for it again once again. That call went south real quick with her turning vile once I explained I had given him plenty of time to pay and would never consider selling him the car again.
    I ultimately sold the car again, but this time to a guy who paid cash and took care of the title transfer the following week. The new owner even sent me photos from time to time of the restoration he was doing on the car.

    • @SUPRAMIKE18
      @SUPRAMIKE18 Рік тому +4

      I've got a funny story involving a title, well my neighbors story, my elderly neighbor had an old pickup on his property it had no title but it ran good and he drove it around the field on his property from time to time, well at some point it gets stickered as abandoned after it had sat parked for about a year, It gets towed away, he wasn't even mad, it gets dumped on a nearby salvage yard and It sat in the corner pretty much untouched for 2 years, at this point the old man is cleaning junk out of his attic and finds in a dusty old box the title to this truck, so he went to the salvage yard in the middle of the night, with a key, battery, and a Jerry can of fresh 93 octane, got the truck going and drove it literally straight to the DMV the next morning and got it registered he still drives it around to this day XD

    • @thanosianthemadtitanic
      @thanosianthemadtitanic Рік тому +4

      genuine advice if they have to finance and can't put down a large enough down payment your probably not getting your money back.

  • @fitfogey
    @fitfogey 2 роки тому +786

    You can tell the Wizard is still pissed off about this. He’s re-living the whole experience telling the story.

    • @BMAWG1968
      @BMAWG1968 2 роки тому +21

      I could tell because it sounded like he dropped an F-bomb around the 3 minute mark.

    • @georgevavoulis4758
      @georgevavoulis4758 2 роки тому +9

      I would be pussed off about this too . If you have money to buy a car you should have enough to repair/ maintain it or do the work yourself then .

    • @kylehubick6589
      @kylehubick6589 2 роки тому +5

      Every tech/shop owner has those cars/customers/situations that just haunts and pisses them off when they think about it, even years later. Explains a lot 😂

    • @johnl9977
      @johnl9977 Рік тому +4

      I'll pay you later, or payments, I don't know, you might as well just give it to them because that is what it ends up being in the end. Same thing with 90% of the people that borrow money, save yourself time and frustration, just consider it a gift. Who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised. I have not been, but it is bound to happen once in awhile. One time I was really in a bind for gas money and a gentleman I hardly knew loaned me $20. I gave him back a $50.

    • @MoBawazir
      @MoBawazir Рік тому

      😂

  • @ayursik
    @ayursik 2 роки тому +37

    Wizard's camera presence has improved so much over the years. Really cool to see.

  • @80wolfmanrob
    @80wolfmanrob 2 роки тому +1194

    At least he made money back on UA-cam videos most mechanics don't have that option. Good work Wizard.

    • @doublesynchrohelix8613
      @doublesynchrohelix8613 2 роки тому +17

      Not when this story happened.. he only works on a couple trusted ol customers cars these days, his shop is now a studio, see his last VinWiki...

    • @caydenstout6326
      @caydenstout6326 2 роки тому +11

      All mechanics have this option; he has just already put in the work

    • @80wolfmanrob
      @80wolfmanrob 2 роки тому +3

      @@caydenstout6326 no the option to make the money back on UA-cam videos.

    • @jackjuggalo6005
      @jackjuggalo6005 2 роки тому +3

      @@80wolfmanrob you cant make money on youtube

    • @80wolfmanrob
      @80wolfmanrob 2 роки тому +13

      @@jackjuggalo6005 you really think Ed does these videos for free?

  • @1mlb704
    @1mlb704 2 роки тому +6

    Wizard reminds me of my local mechanic. He's a family friend, I've known him my whole life. He's done so many favors for people over the years including me. My mom is the accountant/payroll manager for his business, so when I was in college (I commuted to school every day) he gave me employee discounts on my oil changes and repairs, even though I didn't work for him. Now I work at a dealership and I could have my cars worked on there (with an employee discount), but I still bring them to him even though it's less convenient, especially now because I moved a couple towns over. But I trust him, he's still less expensive than my work, and I'm happy to support his business. I can't imagine ever trying to take advantage of him like this guy and this girl both did to Wizard.

  • @DunnDifferent
    @DunnDifferent 2 роки тому +567

    People are crap sometimes. I’ve gone through this as a contractor. I lost 6k on a job that a customer refused to pay and it almost bankrupted my fledgling business.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 2 роки тому +48

      I could never do that to someone... Straight up lie to get free work.

    • @BlankBillions
      @BlankBillions 2 роки тому +6

      did you sue?

    • @DunnDifferent
      @DunnDifferent 2 роки тому +37

      @@BlankBillions I probably should have but after everything they put me through I was over it and wanted to move on.

    • @timtrainage
      @timtrainage 2 роки тому +7

      It's happened to me as well, several times.

    • @BobbyGeneric145
      @BobbyGeneric145 2 роки тому +34

      When I was on a house framing crew in college, we literally finished framing a 3,000sq ft house and the old man who was building it for his son didn't like being charged for the deck expansion and felt it should come out of our end. Ultimately he refused to pay. Our owner said "you summbitch, we're puttin a lean on it and youll never be able to sell it"... Owner said he didn't give a shit because it was intended to stay in the family.

  • @randomidiot8142
    @randomidiot8142 2 роки тому +20

    Grandpa used to have a shop and had some interesting stories. He also has a sense of humor that ends abruptly at finances.
    He quoted a job, the customer agreed. The job got done, the bill was written up. Customer says they don't have the money, can they make payments. He said sure, I'll do payments.
    The first 'payment' was for the entire bill. Customer wasn't thrilled.

  • @daveSoupy
    @daveSoupy 2 роки тому +724

    I gotta admire Ed's hustle to make a daily uploading UA-cam channel where he gets other people to tell stories. Finding people who have enough stories to tell every day is more difficult than anyone realizes.

    • @danielkoontz6732
      @danielkoontz6732 2 роки тому +12

      This right here. Even though some of the story tellers are... not great, he still manages to do daily uploads.

    • @MrSilnev
      @MrSilnev 2 роки тому +8

      They probably record multiple stories in a single session. So they probably don't record these videos every day but just upload them on every day.

    • @ironmonkey1512
      @ironmonkey1512 2 роки тому +23

      editing is way more time consuming than people think

    • @jus__gra
      @jus__gra 2 роки тому +8

      They record multiple stories over the time the person is there. A quick tell is the things they’re wearing. T shirts are a good tell.

    • @MrSeanman30
      @MrSeanman30 2 роки тому +2

      @@jus__gra no joke. I was gonna say purple really think some of these story tellers are flying from California or wherever in the United States or even overseas to make one story and then come back once a month lol? Like you said they are always wearing the same stuff unless they've obviously been on the channel for years and have visited multiple times

  • @jessitabonita
    @jessitabonita Рік тому +4

    This is why, when I worked as a service advisor (the liaison between customers and mechanics), I'd ALWAYS email customers to have something in writing about the diagnosis and recommendations in order of urgency/importance then ask to have them reply ASAP for faster turnaround.
    I became the only SA who didn't have an upset customer altercation who disputed work done/charges.
    I thank being an introvert and actually not knowing much about vehicles. 😂

  • @Z32andCG6
    @Z32andCG6 2 роки тому +226

    Unfortunately this is what being a nice guys gets you. Wizard is a straightforward honest man and people take advantage of that. He should probably have reported that car stolen in case it racks up parking tickets or is involved in an accident.

    • @ast-og-losta
      @ast-og-losta 2 роки тому +8

      That's good advice.

    • @THELOF1
      @THELOF1 2 роки тому +7

      This would be a civil matter and not something you can report as a crime. He should have gotten paid up front instead of being so nice to strangers.

    • @Z32andCG6
      @Z32andCG6 2 роки тому +3

      @@THELOF1 How is that just a civil matter? I'd think someone having your property without permission is stolen. Same idea of you allowed someone to borrow the car and they refuse to return it. If she started making payments and stopped as opposed to never making a payment then I could see the difference in approach.

    • @THELOF1
      @THELOF1 2 роки тому +10

      @@Z32andCG6 If you have a contractual agreement with someone even verbal. It’s not theft. The police will not help you. They will tell you to take them to court. Often times it’s not worth it because the person is a deadbeat anyways and has no money. So your best bet is to try and repo the property. Edit There is a thing called theft by conversion but that’s a different scenario and even then getting police help is difficult.

    • @Z32andCG6
      @Z32andCG6 2 роки тому

      @@THELOF1 Gotcha, makes sense

  • @foxisretrofitting4556
    @foxisretrofitting4556 2 роки тому +9

    I think the worst part is the original amount of $1500 was a very reasonable for labor with parts on a V6 like that and dude wasn't even going to push to show up with 900 or 200 a week at the very least. That was a very polite offer for those repairs.

  • @jrh2009
    @jrh2009 2 роки тому +511

    I've learned that the cheaper the vehicle youre selling, the more miserable the process will be.
    Every terrible experience I've had selling a vehicle has been on a sub 2000 dollar transaction. I think I'll burn the next one to the ground before dealing with the b.s. again.

    • @addicted2bass87
      @addicted2bass87 2 роки тому +51

      Agreed. I gave my old F-150 to my buddy. His truck was literally falling apart. I would rather give it to him than deal with the kind of people who are in the market for a ~$1000 truck.

    • @ericswires8534
      @ericswires8534 2 роки тому +26

      True. I sold a 2001 escort and the guy then demanded I teach him how to drive a manual trans. Never use Fakebook Martins Place

    • @JSAFIXIT
      @JSAFIXIT 2 роки тому +42

      I was selling an old high mileage but good running honda for 700. That was the most pain in the ass shit I ever dealt with. It made one guy lucky though. He showed up, said he'd pay full price, but could only do 400 today and 500 the following week. He said to he wanted me to keep the car and title until he paid me in full. He wrote up a simple agreement saying that and signed it. At that point I wanted the car gone, he got it for 400.

    • @qwertpoiuy430
      @qwertpoiuy430 2 роки тому +3

      @@JSAFIXIT idk man I’ve had the absolute opposite selling old Honda’s. Bought one on the spot for 900 bucks, sold it the next week on 20 minutes of it being posted for 1200

    • @JSAFIXIT
      @JSAFIXIT 2 роки тому +21

      @@qwertpoiuy430 It was a beater, mechanically good, but it didn't even look good from 50 feet lol.
      Cheap cars sell fast, but you get 15 morons per 1 serious buyer. People texting at 3am and then get mad that you don't reply...
      Easiest transactions I've done have been between 10k-15k.

  • @colintaylorful
    @colintaylorful Рік тому +1

    This a really nice guy who’s getting taken advantage of. How many chances did the first guy get to do payment arrangements on the $900 for all that work, THEN gives the car to someone and doesn’t even really seem to care. People don’t even realize how good they have it!! Start being grateful, and do the right thing!!

  • @LilReaper1010
    @LilReaper1010 2 роки тому +283

    I'm glad mechanics can protect their buisiness in these situations

    • @usernamunavailiable
      @usernamunavailiable 11 місяців тому

      Can they, really? More than likely, he would've lost money after the parts, labor, and fees to do the transfer on a car like this.

  • @richardyounkin1557
    @richardyounkin1557 2 роки тому +16

    I went through a "good samaritan" phase of my life but I got screwed so many times I rarely do favors for people anymore.THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS !

  • @LeifInTransit
    @LeifInTransit 2 роки тому +304

    Dude, this is so hurtful to hear. The Wizard is an Amazing man who definitely didn't deserve this treatment.

    • @stuartd9741
      @stuartd9741 2 роки тому +12

      I know right.
      Some people just take advantage of a situation.
      And the wizard is just a genuine guy...

    • @MichaelAivaliotis
      @MichaelAivaliotis Рік тому +1

      He definitely deserved it. That’s not how you run a business.

    • @georgemckenna462
      @georgemckenna462 Рік тому

      @@MichaelAivaliotis Yeah, I would have to agree. The Car "Wizard" after finally getting the title, needed to learn the hard lesson of, cash on the barrel head! Sorry, no exceptions for damels in distress.

    • @usernamunavailiable
      @usernamunavailiable 11 місяців тому

      Absolutely no one deserves to be taken advantage of like this. People need to be responsible, either be prepared to pay for car repairs or be prepared to learn. Graphic design wasn't the only thing I learned to do in college. I learned how to replace/repair my own brakes, and wheel bearings. I learned how to replace an alternator, and starter. Why because I couldn't afford to pay someone else.

  • @senseofstile
    @senseofstile 2 роки тому +5

    Amazing story. Here in the Philippines, if you take a car to a mechanic or the dealer, you must go to the parts counter and purchase the parts before they start working on it.

    • @OffGridInvestor
      @OffGridInvestor Рік тому +1

      Unfortunately, you come in thinking it's one part and find 4 other things about to break.

    • @senseofstile
      @senseofstile Рік тому

      @@OffGridInvestor I think that is the reason the Car Wizard refuses to work on old cars.

  • @man_on_wheelz
    @man_on_wheelz 2 роки тому +179

    This poor Mazda is just cursed or something... unloved, uncared for, albeit repaired... no one wants legal responsibility of this seemingly just fine car.

    • @MK-1010
      @MK-1010 2 роки тому +8

      I had a friend who owned a green Millennium, think it was a '99. The car was fine until the electrical systems started going bad, one thing rolled into another. Come to find out these cars are known for that. But the car had around 120k miles, so it could've been worse.

    • @stuartd9741
      @stuartd9741 2 роки тому +30

      Plot twist: the original police officer owner didn't pay for the car either ....🤣

    • @thebigworldofnz
      @thebigworldofnz 2 роки тому +2

      Would make a decent daily if it's been looked after

    • @ceruleanc505
      @ceruleanc505 2 роки тому +1

      Not cursed, just crap. I'd ride a mule to work before buying ANYTHING from that Make.

    • @davidanderson8469
      @davidanderson8469 Рік тому

      He didn't maintain it. It' wasn't cursed.

  • @Suzuki-SwiftSport
    @Suzuki-SwiftSport 2 роки тому +1

    Some people really don’t know the value of a good, genuine and honest mechanic

  • @hamshank29
    @hamshank29 2 роки тому +145

    After all the mess with the first guy, I'm surprised he gave the car away without payment upfront from the buyer

    • @fredflintstone8048
      @fredflintstone8048 2 роки тому +12

      Yeah, I guess he thought that because it was his daughters friend he would let the situation slide which turned out to be a mistake, so he got screwed twice. Never let anyone take anything without paying the full price. If they need financing I tell them I have a deal with the bank. I don't provide loans, and then don't do the work I do.. You need a loan, go get it from people who give loans and bring me the full amount. Otherwise you're never going to see the rest of the money. If you own a shop and end up foolishly taking payments for your work, make sure all the money is paid before letting the customer have the car back. If they are desperate, again, let them go and find all the money somewhere else. You did the work, now they have to pay for it. There are no shortage of sob stories. Turn a deaf ear, and don't fall victim. Loan sharks will tell you that people can always get the money if they're motivated enough. Most of these types could pay you, they just don't want to.

    • @OffGridInvestor
      @OffGridInvestor Рік тому

      I was too but I guess he just didn't want it there haunting him.

    • @android584
      @android584 Рік тому +1

      He has to take the blame for the trouble the car caused him after he took possession of it. Surely he could have sold it via a classifieds ad.

    • @dancooper6002
      @dancooper6002 Рік тому +5

      @@fredflintstone8048 Remember his daughter was the one who totaled his favorite car after stealing it, her taste in friends might not mean anything.

    • @rasklaat2
      @rasklaat2 Рік тому +3

      @@fredflintstone8048 Exactly. What he should say is: I and banks have a deal. I don't lend people money and they don't repair cars.

  • @sgrowe56
    @sgrowe56 2 роки тому +1

    Common occurrence in my dental office.....and no, your dental insurance (if you have any) never pays 100% on dental work....so we have the patients pre-pay before any work......it's hard to put a lien on a crown, denture or extraction, once the patient walks out with them.

  • @RawShogun
    @RawShogun 2 роки тому +89

    I once let some friends make payments on a green Pontiac G6 for $2,500 over 4 weeks, as I also got this fiend, I mean friend, a job that paid very well weekly. After 3 months I ended up with $250, a dented passenger side door and two less friends.

    • @perrycoffey5410
      @perrycoffey5410 Рік тому

      Wow hope they suffer anyway how was that Pontiac

  • @mrsmith1339
    @mrsmith1339 2 роки тому +4

    When I lived in Ohio I had a form letter which complied with state regulations regarding non pay. No payent 90 daya after a certified notice meant the shop could file for a title, which was quickly recieved. The shop could also add storage charges after the letter was sent.
    I did this as a free service to the shop owners I knew.

  • @dustinwilson1981
    @dustinwilson1981 2 роки тому +200

    I've done this a few times. Craziest was taking a check and immediately going to bank after purchase, less than 5 miles away and check had been canceled. Guy made it to a town about hour and half away until he just ditched it in a Walmart lot. Luckily, I had title with me and police called me and told me it was sitting in lot because he got pulled over. Fastest and dumbest car story I've had. Don't take checks....even when they are good when you call before to check available funds.

    • @wronggg
      @wronggg 2 роки тому +3

      Was it a certified check or a normal one?

    • @machinist7230
      @machinist7230 2 роки тому +12

      @@wronggg Probably a personal check.
      When selling a car, accept only cash or a wire transfer.

    • @moonman3309
      @moonman3309 2 роки тому +1

      @@wronggg certified works, at least here in canada

    • @bokhans
      @bokhans 2 роки тому +5

      Why do you keep on with this b.s. called cheques. I live in Europe and I think my last cheque book was sometimes in early the 1980.
      These days we use the phone, almost every person in my country and every company and shop have a bank account connected to a phone.
      I bought my last car in seconds and the seller got the money smack on direct in to his account in seconds no charge for me of course.
      No way to backpedal by the buyer.
      Up to 20,000 USD is no big deal this way. I do all my payments on my phone these days, every single bill, even my ID card is in the phone since a few month back free of charge of course, looking foreword to my passport there as well in the future but it could take some time because of countries that live in the past like Germany and USA and of course third world countries.

    • @MrLinkiscute
      @MrLinkiscute 2 роки тому

      Money orders can bounce, too.

  • @randominternetuser2888
    @randominternetuser2888 2 роки тому +41

    Long ago there was a 79' Porsche 930 sitting at a mechanics shop where a friend works. It had been "abandoned" after work done.
    Now it's mine... for 12,000$

  • @user-qy9rg3nt2l
    @user-qy9rg3nt2l 2 роки тому +3

    I had a friend who pleaded with me over and over to swap the engine in his motorcycle. The best quote he could get from shops was over $3000. The donor engine had been laid down, but that owner claimed he shut it off immediately. He had never seen the donor engine run, and the guy kept finding excuses to get it started. Long story short, I got $300 (I spent $100 on specialty tools) for swapping the engine and painting the frame and fuel tank.
    It would not start, so the owner had it towed to a bike repair shop, and they found a couple corroded relay connections.
    Bike burned a bit of oil, and my "friend" immediately sought a legal means to extort $2000 for a rebuild, since it was "my fault".
    Met the owner of the wrecked donor bike months later, and he admitted to selling him a dud.

  • @Fordguy02
    @Fordguy02 2 роки тому +129

    Seems like the employee who knew the guy that owned this car should’ve helped his friend fix the car on his free time

    • @curtislovrak5390
      @curtislovrak5390 2 роки тому +4

      Sometimes you can’t moonlight, otherwise sounds like an okay idea

    • @vw5056
      @vw5056 2 роки тому +2

      @Dominick Long Beach came to work there long after the Mazda.

    • @MrSloika
      @MrSloika 2 роки тому +19

      Or the employee could have paid the bill and told the friend to fuck off, which is what I would have done.

    • @GroundhogzGarage
      @GroundhogzGarage 2 роки тому

      Kind of what I thought.

    • @Tattiehoker
      @Tattiehoker 2 роки тому

      Its that's his friend who needs Enemies

  • @Megacooler96_
    @Megacooler96_ Рік тому +1

    The Wizard himself. Its frustrating how so many people do bad and ignorant things to honest mechanics.

  • @richardcrowell284
    @richardcrowell284 2 роки тому +56

    When I had my auto electrical workshop in the mid nineties, I had a customer come in with a brand new GTS Commodore . He complained that it had problems with the factory immobiliser. I asked him why he hadn't taken it to the Holden dealer a half km up the road. He came up with a lame excuse of the service department being too busy. I got his contact details and he wandered off. I used to do some of the dealerships work, so I drove it up to the dealers, and the service manager said he would call ne after it was fixed.
    I got the call and walked up to the dealers, they explained it wasn't reading the key and they reprogrammed the key. I took it back to the workshop told the customer the problem was with the key and it was fixed. The customer came to get the car. I charged him $ 20 for my time. He got his key went to get in the car, to his surprise a detective walked up to him and arrested him for being in possession of a stolen vehicle. Turns out the vehicle had been stolen off the lot from the dealer up the road. Didn't this bloke chuck a monumental hissy fit, he threatened me with all sorts of things in front of the detective. I never did hear from or see him again.

    • @kris856
      @kris856 2 роки тому

      this story is really crazy LOL some people are dumb as f..

    • @OffGridInvestor
      @OffGridInvestor Рік тому

      If it was a commodore, he was a bogan theif...

    • @OffGridInvestor
      @OffGridInvestor Рік тому

      If it was a commodore, he was a bogan theif...

    • @Network126
      @Network126 Рік тому

      Lol wow

  • @marknc9616
    @marknc9616 2 роки тому +7

    My family had an extra vehicle that we sold to one of my mom's coworkers. This coworker didn't have much money, so we accepted payments for the car and retained the title. A week or two later, we got a call from a major city police department. The car had been used in a crime. It was recovered by the police. I am not sure of the rest of the story, but the car did not return to my family.

  • @captainsergeant
    @captainsergeant 2 роки тому +49

    As I'm sure you've learned by now, stop being a nice guy when it comes to business. Treat people with respect, don't cut corners, and don't rip them off... but do not bend over backwards for anybody!

    • @bb5242
      @bb5242 2 роки тому +2

      The problem is that even when you're a straight shooter, somebody can show up with a 12 gauge and kill you.

  • @tostadatheviking7828
    @tostadatheviking7828 2 роки тому +3

    He was more than reasonable with this, I would've shut them down as soon as they argued about the $1400 repair

  • @Dirtyboxer1
    @Dirtyboxer1 2 роки тому +55

    $1400 for all that? The lowest quote I got on a timing belt for an '05 Toyota Solara was $2k, and that was just the belt. Idler pulleys, water pump, etc were all extra. Gotta love the DC area. I decided the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and traded it in on something else.

    • @TheDeadfast
      @TheDeadfast 2 роки тому +7

      He probably discounted the labour charges to help out his mechanic's friend.

    • @barryaiello3127
      @barryaiello3127 2 роки тому +5

      A lot depends on the engine and how much of a hassle it is to get to the belt.

    • @itzjdub282
      @itzjdub282 2 роки тому +2

      You must have went to the Toyota dealer

    • @kris856
      @kris856 2 роки тому

      I had two months ago a full engine rebuild done on my 2008 car for approx. 400$ including parts and work... I don't live in the USA.. LOL

    • @barryaiello3127
      @barryaiello3127 2 роки тому +1

      @@kris856 Your so full of crap your eyes are brown, that price MIGHT cover a lawnmower. Parts are parts and are not magically dirt cheap in one part of the world, neither is labor, go peddle your BS stories elsewhere.

  • @stananders474
    @stananders474 Рік тому

    You are an honest, hard working guy. I admire you. Many guys will, I hope learn by your experience. Thank you so much.

  • @matthewmuellner
    @matthewmuellner 2 роки тому +37

    Some people are users, always a hand out begging, never an ounce of responsibility for their own lives & choices.

    • @RCnAZ-y3z
      @RCnAZ-y3z 2 роки тому +6

      There's a reason they're called roaches.

    • @T25de
      @T25de 2 роки тому

      You either get a line through your name or under your name

  • @shanew3293
    @shanew3293 Рік тому +1

    thats why I no longer sell cars on "payment plans"... thx for videos

  • @jessicaseyfried7888
    @jessicaseyfried7888 2 роки тому +7

    I’m so glad that you and Mrs Wizard were able to make it work for you. I love watching all of you guys (I even watch the yacht content) Happy New Year 🥳

  • @charliesargent6225
    @charliesargent6225 Рік тому +1

    If you're in business and live long enough you know there are TONS of people like this. I ALWAYS had customers sign a layaway agreement which stated pay it off in 6 months, or lose all your money I will keep all payment money and can resell the item. I NEVER LOST an argument the few times there were problems. A few wanted to take the items on credit and installment terms. Didn't care how good a customer, simply told them I don't do that and if you have good credit then you can use the finance company I work with. NEVER give in even if it means losing a customer. The aggravation, hassles, problems, anxieties are NEVER worth it.

  • @christopherhamilton5557
    @christopherhamilton5557 2 роки тому +36

    Damn I would love to have bought that car FIXED for $1200-$1400. Those were pretty cool rides when they were new.

    • @jaggsta
      @jaggsta 2 роки тому +12

      Go to mechanic shops and ask they have always have cars to sell when people don't pay.

    • @dreammatch2000
      @dreammatch2000 2 роки тому +1

      @@jaggsta That's very true. My local shop would have a least three or four cars a month (nice ones too) for customers that don't pay and cheap.

    • @pprb123
      @pprb123 Рік тому

      @@jaggsta Keep in mind those cars will have had no maintenance or care besides what they bummed for free

  • @coldlogic800
    @coldlogic800 2 роки тому +1

    Yup. Back in 2003 I had to lein an engine replacement for a $23,000 job. On a 24' commercial box truck A big learning lesson.

  • @chefcc90
    @chefcc90 2 роки тому +195

    I always feel bad for wizard when he comes on since it seems like he deals with the worst customers.

    • @Dabbin916
      @Dabbin916 2 роки тому +4

      What about findin out your super car you rented out had the tracker ripped out and was never seen since could be worse

    • @theDARKSTEP
      @theDARKSTEP 2 роки тому +4

      Leave Tyler alone. jk

    • @narutobroken
      @narutobroken 2 роки тому +2

      Such a nice dude too, sad

    • @1337penguinman
      @1337penguinman 2 роки тому

      It's rare that something goes like this, at least in my experience.

    • @paulcarmi8130
      @paulcarmi8130 2 роки тому

      Kansas

  • @kennethross786
    @kennethross786 2 роки тому +1

    When I needed a transmission replacement, the repair shop required a down payment because they'd been burned before by customers who approved high-dollar repairs but then abandoned the car.

  • @Andy-Andeee
    @Andy-Andeee 2 роки тому +14

    That 2.5 all Aluminum split case little V6 is a wonderful little engine.
    KL-DE made 170hp and the JDM version the KL-ZE made 200hp .
    They love to rev and and sound really good. They also respond to Boost really well too.

    • @vw5056
      @vw5056 2 роки тому +2

      Mazdas in general are wonderful cars. Can't wait for the new rwd 6.

    • @Andy-Andeee
      @Andy-Andeee 2 роки тому +1

      @@vw5056 those inline 6s should be fun for the aftermarket and mods

    • @uhtred7860
      @uhtred7860 2 роки тому +3

      We got them as the Mazda Eunos 800 with the 210hp 2.3 and the less powerful 2.5.

  • @stargazeronesixseven
    @stargazeronesixseven 2 роки тому +3

    Scary to know there are such Thick~Skinned & irresponsible people out there! Feel so sad for their suffering families , loved ones , colleagues & generally the public who came into contact with them! Thank You So Much for Sharing the importance of writing every repair & agreed costs down in case of these kind of nightmare customers show~up in our garage workstations!

  • @abigalanderson7494
    @abigalanderson7494 2 роки тому +73

    I'd tell my daughter to have her friend bring back the car or its going to be reported stolen.

    • @stevenbeall9637
      @stevenbeall9637 2 роки тому +12

      @@tupops Friends today is just a fancy word for user.

    • @tmanepic
      @tmanepic 2 роки тому +10

      @@tupops exactly. Both the scummy people in this story were friends of friends. I think the mechanic and the daughter should have been more involved in making sure these people held up their end

    • @angelgjr1999
      @angelgjr1999 2 роки тому +2

      To me it sounds like the customer was trying to scam them. Sad that scammy people like that exist.

    • @alanlozano6535
      @alanlozano6535 2 роки тому +3

      i would ve reported it already, and let the cops handle the driver/scammer

    • @JMKady76
      @JMKady76 2 роки тому +1

      The last time I dealt with something like this, the sheriff told me it was a civil issue since I willingly gave the vehicle to the other person.

  • @jamessveinsson6006
    @jamessveinsson6006 9 місяців тому

    Thank you for having the car wizard on your channel is very entertaining

  • @PostalTwinkie
    @PostalTwinkie 2 роки тому +25

    This story starts with describing an EJ25 head gasket repair and the typical WRX/STi owner. All without the Subaru or the owner!

  • @sargepent9815
    @sargepent9815 2 роки тому +1

    Oh man.....I have had that happen to me as well. Customer (who was referred by another LONG time customer) had a 2004 Chevrolet 1 ton van he used for plumbing/electrical work that wasn't running and his "mechanic buddy" couldn't figure out. Anyways, long story short we needed about 500 in parts plus 3 hours labor to even begin to fix this (which he approves on a recorded call) that didn't fix it and we needed more time to chase an electrical issue after replacing plugs, wires and cam position sensor. We got about 2,300 into this thing before we called and said it was STILL having an issue where it will start but immediately die. It wasn't the fuel pump since we can command it on and we still weren't sure what the exact issue was but would take even more diag time. Since we were already over 2k into a van that was hardly worth that the boss wanted to collect for the time/parts we are already into it before going further. At this point the customer refused to pay ANYTHING since "its not fixed". We stated that the issue had been nearly isolated, but we needed more time and before we got another 6 hours into this job we wanted to ensure we would be paid considering this POS van was now mechanically totaled. He again refused (on recording) and was advised we would file a mechanic lien I'm which he would have 1 business week to pay or the van would he sold to auction. Was a complete disaster that didn't end there but I'm sure you get the idea.

  • @FunYl
    @FunYl 2 роки тому +15

    Wow, this car is cursed! It amazes me how dishonest people can be, specially when they came from people you know and trust.
    Wizard should report that car stolen

    • @MrSloika
      @MrSloika 2 роки тому

      When it comes to cars, most Americans have a sense of entitlement. I can't imagine why? If they don't have a ride, all they need to do is utilize that great mass transit system we have in US Murica.

    • @OffGridInvestor
      @OffGridInvestor Рік тому

      Probably felt it was cursed and just LET it go. It was likely not worth the grief.

  • @extramild1
    @extramild1 Рік тому +1

    If I have learned one thing about renting property. People promise an awful lot but cash on the barrel before parting with your goods means everything.

  • @Davidsladky135
    @Davidsladky135 2 роки тому +27

    Good lord it sounds like it's cursed, someone needs to find the car and just leave it at wizards shop!

    • @asdasd-ni8eg
      @asdasd-ni8eg 2 роки тому +1

      No it's just cheap. Nobody really wants one they just want wheels.

  • @kencramer1697
    @kencramer1697 2 роки тому +2

    Not being able to afford a mechanic is exactly how I learned to work on cars. When my car broke I had to figure out how to fix it. I already knew I was going to struggle just to find the money to buy parts, so there was no way I was going to be able to afford to pay a mechanic. That ended up being one of the best things I ever had to go through. It really helps, now that I am in a place in life that I can afford to pay someone to fix it, to keep from getting ripped off when I do have someone work on it. I would love to find a mechanic like the Wizzard here in my area. Unfortunately the only one I do trust is an hour drive away from me.

    • @Jac735
      @Jac735 Рік тому

      Most techs are far I noticed same thing with my I'm the Chicagoland area in the suburbs I moved to a new area and most techs are a rip off unless you know them but most are also an hour away as well which sucks

  • @dfjdskf9234j4fisd
    @dfjdskf9234j4fisd 2 роки тому +9

    This guy has got the patience of a saint. Such a truthful man and hard worker. He deserves every bit of his success!!! Looking forward to a day I could bring a car to the wizard. Although I live in CA 🤣

  • @tonychipelo8240
    @tonychipelo8240 2 роки тому +5

    Im surprised the car wizards daughter actually put up with her friend screwing him like that im really shocked

  • @CreamAle
    @CreamAle 2 роки тому +26

    The herpes of the car world. Gotta love these types of cars that shows up in your life.

    • @sexymonkeygod
      @sexymonkeygod 2 роки тому +1

      I would say the harpies of the car world would be stance cars and the Carolina drop trucks.

    • @seanthompson8071
      @seanthompson8071 2 роки тому +1

      And it's a damn shame, too. That was an excellent car when in good condition!

  • @m.jackson2609
    @m.jackson2609 Рік тому +1

    This car situation sounds like a good movie script, maybe you can make a lot of money from this unfortunate event.

  • @80rae
    @80rae 2 роки тому +20

    Every single Wizard story makes me so glad I got out of the industry.

  • @jasondominguez8434
    @jasondominguez8434 Рік тому +1

    When it comes to selling cars, Never do a payment plan unless your a bank.

  • @sw4841
    @sw4841 2 роки тому +31

    Lesson learned never ever give somebody your vehicle until it’s fully paid..No car dealer would do Unless you got approved for financing

  • @prestige_123
    @prestige_123 Рік тому +1

    He actually haggled you down from 1400 to 900!! I wish I could do stuff like that lol

  • @XD1908
    @XD1908 2 роки тому +19

    He is the most relaxed guy ever.

    • @stuartd9741
      @stuartd9741 2 роки тому +2

      Exactly very Zen.
      Perhaps you could reimburse the wizard with all that cash you got from that plane.......😶

  • @HR-wd6cw
    @HR-wd6cw Рік тому

    A lesson I learned a along time ago is that you never do payment plans, for repairs or to buy a car. If someone wants a payment plan, they can go to a bank, get a loan and bring you the funds (whether buying the car or paying to fix it). If someone is buying something from me, they had better have cash in hand ready to go (or a check from the bank that I can verify) before they leave with whatever they are buying.

  • @LilStand
    @LilStand 2 роки тому +35

    Ed, y'all need to stop playin' and get more Car Wizard here. We love Car Wizard.

    • @Craig-wp3pz
      @Craig-wp3pz 2 роки тому +4

      He has got his own channel, and HEAPS of content, not just Tyler's basket cases, and some cool rides slide through his shop......

    • @LilStand
      @LilStand 2 роки тому +1

      @@Craig-wp3pz I know Craig, but I like the vinwiki stories. Why you crashing my dreams Craig

    • @Craig-wp3pz
      @Craig-wp3pz 2 роки тому

      @@LilStand me too, but Wizard has a channel, I'm hoping Chris will start one soon, most of the guys on VinWiki have one, Casey, Rabbit,Wizard,Euro n Asian Bob, and loads more, I'm just Glad Ed has shown the way with VinWiki

    • @AZBEEMR
      @AZBEEMR 2 роки тому +1

      Dear Ed or ed : (Boleon or editor); WIZARD IS BORING!

    • @KA-om9oz
      @KA-om9oz 2 роки тому +1

      No we dont

  • @mraycgz
    @mraycgz 2 роки тому +2

    Car wizard has to be tough because he’s so nice. People always mistake kindness for weakness.

  • @FrancoCastro
    @FrancoCastro 2 роки тому +10

    I learned the hard way to never lend money to friends or family nor sell them stuff and let them pay me later.

    • @stuartd9741
      @stuartd9741 2 роки тому +1

      Tell me about it.
      Lent brother some money - forever chasing payments.
      Sold a motorbike with some issues to a friend who complained about the faults - which I told him about. 🙄
      Ended up arguing over it.
      Never again!

  • @keithbird8910
    @keithbird8910 2 роки тому +4

    As the saying goes - No Good Deed Goes Unpunished. Also, Happy New Year!

  • @prairiefarmer5994
    @prairiefarmer5994 2 роки тому +6

    This right here is exactly why when someone asks if I’d take payments on something, it’s always a hell no

    • @jaggsta
      @jaggsta 2 роки тому +3

      exactly $1200 car is cheap someone would of came up with the money.

    • @alanlozano6535
      @alanlozano6535 2 роки тому +1

      when they say that, answer them that "the bank and the finance company takes payments, i don't"

  • @davidfoulk3078
    @davidfoulk3078 2 роки тому +2

    Almost sold a car once to a guy with a personal check I told him I keep the car keys and title and wait 10 business days for his check to clear my bank. He just walked away lol. Sometimes you just know when you’re about to be scammed! Oh and BTW I’m sorry for your loss.

  • @VINwiki
    @VINwiki  2 роки тому +11

    What is your most hated car?

    • @kellyscars
      @kellyscars 2 роки тому +5

      Prius. Fuck those things!!

    • @thursdaybird
      @thursdaybird 2 роки тому +4

      late 90's Cavalier...EVERY SINGLE one that rolls into my shop is a NIGHTMARE (the car, the customer, or both)

    • @dsihacker01
      @dsihacker01 2 роки тому +1

      2000 Chevy Astro, that thing has no room to work on, but is such an amazing little van otherwise. Was able to keep up with a lifted tacoma and lifted jeep down a hard trail, while the astro was stock

    • @endrlock
      @endrlock 2 роки тому +1

      2000-2007 Ford Taurus that engine does not fit in that car

    • @Rao_Sahab_7878
      @Rao_Sahab_7878 2 роки тому +2

      PT Cruiser.

  • @jekutube9
    @jekutube9 Рік тому +1

    no money, no CAR! no wizardry in that! jeez.

  • @ImYoutubing247
    @ImYoutubing247 2 роки тому +5

    Your former employee’s friend and daughter’s friend sound like real nice folk. You’re too kind wizard

    • @MrSloika
      @MrSloika 2 роки тому

      You don't really know people until you know them.

  • @zx1100a1
    @zx1100a1 2 роки тому +2

    This is a great story David. Cheers!

  • @Harold_That_Guy
    @Harold_That_Guy 2 роки тому +6

    It really sucks when you try to help someone out and they turn around and Stick it to you.

  • @franciscodanconia4324
    @franciscodanconia4324 2 роки тому +1

    Reminds me of when I sold my 84 Caprice with 190,000 mile on it for $100. Guy agreed to pay me $25 a month for 4 months. I got two payments and never heard from him again.

  • @gwynnromano5881
    @gwynnromano5881 2 роки тому +7

    Been there. It’s always amazing how quickly they find the money when they find out they’re about to lose their car when a lien is put on it.

    • @allenschmitz9644
      @allenschmitz9644 2 роки тому +1

      simple go git a bank loan is a great suggestion.

  • @TMFW
    @TMFW 2 роки тому

    This is probably the fastest I’ve seen a vin wiki and clicked on it solely for the guest.

  • @kmx509
    @kmx509 2 роки тому +7

    I cant imagine some hot shot calling wizards shop and being like "Hey, i got a friend that has a 2000's Mazda millenia. its got a leaky water pump. could you fix it up?"

    • @OffGridInvestor
      @OffGridInvestor Рік тому

      He was AN EMPLOYEE and the "owner" was a friend, not some guy who called up.

    • @smashsmashed5934
      @smashsmashed5934 Рік тому

      ​@@OffGridInvestoremployee should have payed

  • @mikehoff1595
    @mikehoff1595 Рік тому

    I worked on a couple of Mazda Malinas and they were both headachs in every way including getting fair payment for the work.

  • @grunkohlaktionar7474
    @grunkohlaktionar7474 2 роки тому +7

    The cheaper the car, the shadier the buyer. It’s a shame, cause a Mazda Millenia is actually a cool car

    • @redmr2na
      @redmr2na 2 роки тому

      No, It isn't. I drove one for almost 3 solid weeks. My mechanic let me drive it while my car was being repaired at his shop. The car was terrible. By then end of the almost 3 weeks, I wanted my car back soo badly. When I finally got my car back, I thought JESUS CHRIST! That was the Car Mazda was hoping would become a Lexus competitor, in their fucking dreams. So no, the Millenia is a completely uncool failure of a car.

  • @stevedeleon8775
    @stevedeleon8775 Рік тому +1

    Hey Wizard sounds like that car was Cursed..

  • @Yachanantheavenger
    @Yachanantheavenger 2 роки тому +73

    *in my Tyler voice* "WeeeeZARD!!!"

    • @samholdsworth420
      @samholdsworth420 2 роки тому +2

      I wish Hoovie would just finally admit to being a stoner

    • @katkatthecat
      @katkatthecat Рік тому +1

      @@samholdsworth420only if he was in California or wherever else it isn’t condemned

    • @samholdsworth420
      @samholdsworth420 Рік тому +1

      @@katkatthecat 🫡

  • @w.e.s.
    @w.e.s. 11 місяців тому +1

    Ive got boat loads of free cars being a mechanic. Gpt a lawyer on call that gets the titles to us

  • @DMountains
    @DMountains 2 роки тому +5

    Sorry for the loss.
    Running a business means the owner has to consider the possible impacts of making a choice that leads to damaging their company.
    If not already done, the company work contract/agreement has to include property lien rights for unpaid work to make the job of collection easier and reliable. Of course the wording must meet your state’s legal requirements for this kind of action.

  • @georgemckenna462
    @georgemckenna462 Рік тому

    In comedy you always look for the punch line & then the topper which elicits from the audience that big groan or hysterical laughter. One of the absolute best ways to accomplish this responce is; the tragic baffoon who will unerringly always double down on stupidity. Especially when dealing with a curse. This one delivered in deadpan fashion was a true classic!
    6:41 "So I went ahead and gave her the car, she said she would pay later, or whatever..."

  • @thatoneguywhodrinkstoomuch4446
    @thatoneguywhodrinkstoomuch4446 2 роки тому +7

    Biggest lesson to learn here: Youll never know who will screw you over, no matter how accomodating you are.

  • @johnb.7979
    @johnb.7979 2 роки тому +13

    I still think we need Mrs Wizard on here to give her take on things. 😉

  • @scooooter37
    @scooooter37 2 роки тому +1

    You might not be done losing money on that car. I sold an old Chevy truck to a friend’s brother who was also in dire straits, for basically nothing. I signed over the title to him and he never ended up registering it, drove it until it broke down and abandoned it. I later got a letter (as I was still the owner of record) requesting towing and storage fees. Luckily, my friend was embarrassed by his brother’s irresponsibility and took car of it.

  • @eager400
    @eager400 2 роки тому +5

    Perfect example of why you never give someone a break in business. You'll just be worked over...

  • @bitemyshinnymetalass1569
    @bitemyshinnymetalass1569 2 роки тому +1

    I got a story myself. My cousin long ago was into mustang's and asked my mother to co-sign on a 2000 Mustang GT convertible. Long story short my cousin got in trouble with payments and the car ended up getting repossessed. To add salt on the wound. My mother also gave my aunt who is also my cousin's mom her used 94 Honda accord that she wasn't using anymore. That poor car ended up in the impound lot for unpaid tickets and that car also ended up in auction. I'm surprised my Mom still talk's to her but she's never forgotten about those incidents. Lol.

  • @alexbarnett8541
    @alexbarnett8541 2 роки тому +4

    You took a car from one deadbeat, fixed it and then gave it to another deadbeat. That was nice of you. People expecting free stuff.

  • @aaronburratwood.6957
    @aaronburratwood.6957 2 роки тому +2

    I still have the title to a ‘97 Ram 1500 4x4 that I sold on payments a few years ago. I got paid most on it but not the total amount, the dude probably just drive the thing into the ground.

  • @itsnotme07
    @itsnotme07 2 роки тому +13

    That Mazda just didn't want to leave you Car Wizard! I agree though....people, if you can't afford to pay for your car repairs...don't bring your car to the shop! And that first owner never fully paid the seller? WOW!

  • @kevinschmidt9482
    @kevinschmidt9482 2 роки тому +3

    I never had the energy to go through all the legwork to go through this process. They generally pissed me off so much I couldn't deal with it and ended up giving tens of thousands of dollars away as a result. I ended up selling my shop in large part I couldn't stand dealing with unreasonable, entitled a$$holes.

  • @jordany7018
    @jordany7018 2 роки тому +7

    Come on Wizard at this point you’re pot committed ! You have to register it as stolen at this point, just to see if some day down the road it gets recovered. Could you Imagine the views that movie would get !! The possibilities are endless but I’d choose driving it to Alaska and off that Cliff with Ed’s S55.

    • @msjp81
      @msjp81 2 роки тому

      My first thought too. Call it in as stolen.

  • @anhLe-hn3ig
    @anhLe-hn3ig Рік тому

    You got valuable experiences for your trouble. You are a good soul.

  • @gasNmudtv
    @gasNmudtv 2 роки тому +7

    Might be smart to forfit the title at the mto. Where I'm from if your names on the title your still the owner of said vehicle and can be held liable in an accident or any issue involving the car. Forfit the title and you wash your hands of any liability.
    What if this car was found poluting a wildlife refuge. Clean up bills and soil testing would cost you a boat load. Possibly ur actual boat

    • @basura2001
      @basura2001 2 роки тому +2

      Evidently there aren't any toll roads in Kansas. If there were the Wizard would be on the hook for all the unpaid tolls from this wretched vehicle.

  • @haroldcampos9661
    @haroldcampos9661 2 роки тому +1

    dude I had a mechanic say he would change my timing belt with the bearings and pulleys everything in the front end that spins and valve seals for $400 bucks just to get the job, then he said "parts alone cost me $300" lol and I hope you got the aisin kit. He wanted $700 after it took them a month and I knew I could have gone to autozone and done it myself and had a great time doing it lol. He was too physically messed up to do the job so he had his employee do it, an 80-year old immigrant. I felt good and bad for giving him the business, but it was pretty funny. Never got the valve seals done, either lol. The belt says mitsuboshi on it as per the aisin kit and it's been on there a hwopping 2 years without cracking like those dayco ones.

  • @DirtSweatGears
    @DirtSweatGears 2 роки тому +8

    WEEZURD! I remember when you had it in your shop last. Aren't you liable for the car simply because you hold title to it? There must be a way to release your interest in it. While I suppose you could technically report it stolen...what do you even get out of it? Maybe recover a car that you don't want anymore?

  • @brightenupcc
    @brightenupcc Рік тому

    Great story and video. More of this please!