I Sold 3 JTR RS2's for 4 Paradigm Defiance X15 Subwoofers, BUT WHY?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- In this video I explain why I sold JTR RS2 Subwoofers for Paradigm Defiance X15's. We also unbox and talk first impressions of the Paradigm X15's.
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00:00 - Intro
02:00 - Unboxing
05:31 - Price & Specs
07:47 - How They Sound
09:25 - Why I Sold The JTR Subwoofers - Наука та технологія
I went through the same realization some years back. I’ve scaled back my subs a couple different times now. I’m looking for a nice balanced sound, which I believe I’ve found with a couple nice sealed 15 inchers. I don’t want any part of my setup to draw attention to itself and draw my attention away from the content on screen. Shaking the house and showing off for friends and family is fun, but it gets old fairly quickly.
Good for you brother! Couldn't help but appreciate the honesty and love for the hobby. Everyone has different tastes and needs, and just because someone doesn't want JTR, doesn't make them any less of an enthusiast. I myself am looking at 4 rythmik fvx15's. Killer subs! Enjoy the paradigms 🤙
Thanks brother, much appreciated. The Rythmik subs are an incredible choice! I have been tempted on several occasions myself to get Rythmiks.
I have been sooo looking forward to this video!!!!!
A VERY refreshing, realistic video. I totally understand where you are coming from. You are a real person with real goals dealing with real issues. I often think some of the youtubers who cover audio and av are completely bogus. I have never thought that of you. Rock on brother.
Thank you, that means a lot. I do try to be 100% honest and just post my audio journey, regardless of where it takes me.
Great Video and Honesty!. The nice thing about our hobby is choice and you made a great move going after infrasonics this way. I did the same thing years ago with Crowsons and supplement using duals 18's and will hold there for the foreseeable future.
Looking forward to the full subwoofer review and how they integrate with the Sonus!
It’s about time and by the way you’re 100% right I’m with you about that saving your money or money in your pocket. I only have two of those 15 yeah I still can’t get them tuned to my liking I can’t wait till you do a full review on these keep up the great job.😎👍👍
All of your reasons for selling the JTR subwoofers make sense. Thanks for being so candid and transparent. I think the Crowson actuators will help make up for the loss of tactile response from the Paradigm subwoofers. Very interested in your experience once you have everything dialed in to your seating position.
Thanks brother! So far with these 4 subwoofers and the Crowsons, I don't feel like I made the wrong decision. I can't wait to get all my speakers and get the full system setup to do some real testing.
Finally! Been waiting for this one ;)
I can’t wait to pick up my subwoofer!!!! Always love the Canadian content Barrett,
Definitely agree on the infrasonics. I can’t stand rattle and I’ve worked very hard to stomp them out in my room but those real low frequencies rattle everything. However, I love the tactile feel I get from my four 18” drivers. Solution is easy with a very steep HPF at around 14-15hz. I also think there’s a lot to be said about quantity with home theater subwoofers. Having 2 up front and 2 in back has allowed me to dial in the bass beautifully for all 3 seats. Granted it’s definitely way more bass than I can use, but I just love how effortless it is to create that impact that I didn’t even know existed until I got there.
haha, I am a little weird when it comes to rattle. I actually prefer some rattle in my room, it adds to the immersion IMO. I want my room to feel the effects of explosions as well lol. You are right about having subwoofers up front and behind, it makes it easier to get a good response on all seats. Glad you got your subs dialed in the way you like them brother, that's what this is all about.
This is why I love my Klipsch KW120 THX subwoofers. They sound so perfect. Super tight and agile. Gut wrenching when they need to be and perfectly blends in with the speakers.
I assume you have them in a sealed dedicated home theater room? I have never heard the Klipsch THX subwoofers, but I sure would love to one day.
I understand this completely. With the introduction of boarder line commercial JTR and PSA gear readily available, we lost sight of actual bass quality and just focused on slam.
Right on, your new speakers are Sonus Faber's 👍👊. I'm using a pair of Anniversario's with a couple of 12" Paradigm subs. The sound is incredible.
I definitely can understand making changes. You don’t know until you experience it! I’ve got 5 drivers in my room that I’ve moved around. Pretty much settled on just using 2 12”s up front and a 21” behind the couch.
I too was at one point obsessed with ultrasonics. Eventually I grew up, just a tad 😂 and I’m more about the quality of bass over quantity.
Haha exactly, we all grow up...just a little! Large quantities of house rumbling bass can be fun, and I still like it sometimes, but you never use it to its full potential anyway. It is kind of a waste of money to have thousands and thousands of watts of house crumbling power, and use 20% of it 99% of the time lol. I am with you on the quality of bass brother, thanks for watching.
Great Description Between the sound of the 2 subwoofers. I own a JTR S1 sub and the Bass does have a heavy bass in punch bass region...sometimes making the Bass sound hard at times.
I agree! It isn't that the bass is bad, it is incredible bass from the JTR, but it isn't as sharp and concise as the X15. With that being said, that really is about the only area that I feel the X15 excels over the RS2. The RS2 destroys it in pretty much any other category.
Makes sense, you going to love the Sonus
I sure hope so, they should start rolling in by the end of the month.
Totally get it. It's why I love my dual PSA TV2112's...i love the psa driver and dsp
I love PSA subs as well, I had dual TV3613's at ine point. They have a nice hard defined kick to them.
@@SpecOfTech I have a small office sealed with a tv3612. Thinking about going to sealed 21” or 18” subs for room gain. And I’m 60% music. How much better is one rs2 vs one tv3612?
I completely understand you regularly switching gear in this hobby, that is not something I do, but respect those that do.
I would be curious to see how a quick hitting Paradigm works together with a heavier but slower 18" subs. I have a couple Marty's and wondering of mixing in some quicker subs would give me a better overall experience or if it would just get lost behind the heavy hitters.
I went with 4x m215's. (8 x 15" in 4 boxes) Excessive house shaking, cracked drywall joints, backed out many framing nails. It's tempting to go overkill, but it gets old real fast.
Have watched tons of your videos and onky just now realized you're also in Calgary! Very cool to have such an awesome content creator here. I'll check out Base Electronics in the fall when its upgrade time. Cheers!
Good to hear I have a few subscribers from my home city too lol. Thanks for supporting brother. Make sure to tell John at Base that I sent ya ;).
@@SpecOfTech I've only seen a few on AVS forum (including a somewhat recent HTOTM) but there's gotta be more. I'll definitely do that. Keep up the great work!
🤠 I used to have two bass shakers mounted on the couch. You really felt gunshots & explosions & 4/4 beats had thump when listening to music. The best thing was you only needed 20W to drive each transducer.
Yes sir, once you have tried a good actuator, it's hard to go back.
I do have the x12. Major change for me as well and these subwoofer surprised me indeed. But I did a few modifications to the subwoofer. Changed the factory port to a longer port. Same diameter but two inches longer. And took out the cotton/poly fill. And using foam 2 inch thick and I can really feel the bass and the sound is great tighter and fast response. 👌 I love this subwoofer lol. I might get another one as I have another port the same size. Would be perfect for sure.
Awesome brother! These are a great option for those looking for a more budget friendly hard hitting bass. I am curious how they stack up against the PB3000 though.
@@SpecOfTech oh man now that will be something. To me I mean the pb3000 would win I believe because the way the speaker and port are mounted compared to the x15. The x15 you would have to position it to a certain point to make it just as great because of the port facing down to the floor. But also disperses the sound a full 360°. Instead of a front firing mount. It really depends for sure?, it's what I had before the x12 that I have now. And to me my experience so far. I am warming up to the x12 pretty well from the pb3000.
@@chiefnations Did you find the quality of bass from the PB3000 to be on par with the X12, or does the PB3000 have a deeper thicker presentation? You don't miss the low end performance of the PB3000 vs the X12?
@@SpecOfTech well from factory from the x12. I would say the pb300 for sure indeed for the deep bass. But once I made the modifications to the x12. I would say the x12 is much better deeper bass and tighter sound. It reaches low as 16hz for sure and the excursion is great as well and surprised how it can handle the loud deep bass with no chuffing after I made those changes. So I'm sold to get another one for behind my couch. And it would be perfect to have.
@@SpecOfTech for my settings. I've never used the arc all I am doing is just using the sub amp letting it do its thing. My level is at -14 on my amp is set to -8.5 and I can still feel the low end indeed shakes my Jean pant leg haha 😄 and I'm sitting about 8ft away from the subwoofer. Which is between my two 8,000f klipsch towers.
I thought I was reading the title wrong but I can understand the change up, I’m sure the music at least sounds more realistic with the 15s if not movies as well. I’m running 3 16 inch and 2 15 inchers and I know that I’m not running them to full potential. Like you said, it feels like you are tearing up the house sometimes, well at least in the other rooms it does.
Great honest thoughts! I just took a step “backwards” in my subwoofer journey also but I couldn’t be any happier.
Keep up the good work, my friend!
With 1000€ the best I could do here is a SPL 150 SW, what a difference,at least you experience that awesome base of jtrs, good luck with your new subs
The Klipsch SPL150 is an underrated subwoofer IMO. It is pretty much on par with an SVS PB2000.
No ill comments here, Barrett. Great video as always and enjoy coming with you on the journey. 👍
Thanks brother, and thanks for joining me on this crazy ride haha.
What volume do you have the subs set at in the app? Deep bass and volume? The cones are moving pretty good.
Hi there Brother...
I know exactly how you feel...
I myself got bored with infrasonics... That's why I sold my rhythmic audio f-18 and f15... And decided to go for Arendal Subwoofers which are more living room friendly with there colour options and rocksolid build quality... They start to roll off at 10 z in my Room... But to be very HONEST..
My favourite frequencies are between 40 Hz and 15hz... Enjoy Your Subs ... Keep the content Coming...🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Arendal v or s ?
Very nice, I really wanted to try the Arendal subwoofers as well. How do they compare to the Rythmiks they replaced?
@@SpecOfTech
Being Ported they have a richer sound than the rhythmic's ( which I missed to be honest ) very detailed very smooth delivery... Never sounding out of control...Plus the Colour options and the build quality is fantastic... I got them for slightly less due to crazy price increases that's going on currently... What is very special about them... you can run dual inputs using XLR and RCA with separate parametric EQ use for each input... Very handy for those who also want to have a Two channel set up at the same time... 🫡...🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@junior-OG
1723 1v's... 🙂... 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I've been trying to decide between a Rythmik F18 or an Arendale 1723 2V or some other model from either Rythmik or Arendale. In your view which do you feel is better? Seeing as you've had both, Thank you and Happy New YEAR!!!
Good vid brother, infrasonics aren’t a big thing for me either. Money in your pocket can’t be argued with. Inflation Is crazy in Australia too. Good luck finding a dirt bike too!
need to save some money after you buy a trinnov🤣
@@junior-OG did Barrett buy a Trinnov ?
@@BuildMontage no you did congrat
Thanks buddy! I have already ordered the e-dirtbike called a Talaria Sting, gets delivered Sept 1. I am pumped to go riding again. Do you ride bike, or have you ever?
@@SpecOfTech oh awesome!! Yes I’ve had a motorcycle license since my teens. Haven’t ridden since I got married though. Only a few times here or there. Congrats on the purchase!!
Have you a video on the Crowon's since you have enough to properly do your seat? I think proper discussion of how transducers feel compared to acoustic energy is lacking in many discussions and having had the subs you have I think you are well equipped to offer informative perspective and advice to those of us considering options :).
Red, Blue, Yellow, Purple, Green, Orange! Well you said colorful comments. Looking forward to Sonus Fabers
sometimes i think about the money i have tied up in my cap 4000's, but then i watch a movie and forget about it 😂. i was initially going to purchase 3 of them and i'm glad i scaled back and went with just the single and then eventually the second. the pair is comical in my room, and i'm sure it was equal parts stupid in yours with three rs2's. those x15's are definitely respectable though! i also agree 100% about the "weight & thickness" the jtr's deliver that most other subs do not. it's quite literally what sold me on them after upgrading from the rythmik fv25's. people get so hung up on graphs & spl charts but it's the nuances like this that matter depending what you're chasing. for what it's worth, if i was creating a room for music playback and less home theater, i'd probably sell the captivators too, but for home theater only duty they're perfect (imo). congrats on the new subs, enjoy!
lol I know, and I agree, this was definitely not an easy decision to make. The JTR subwoofers really are the perfect subwoofer for home theater, and do an excellent job with music as well. I will miss the weighty/meaty presentation of the JTR's, but who knows...my journey is far from over, me and JTR may meet again lol.
Happy to see you getting so much enjoyment from switching your gear all the time to experience different stuff but at the same time I hope you find something you are content with where you don’t feel the need to keep changing your equipment. Keep searching man one day I think you will settle with something where you don’t worry about other stuff to the extent of selling your current stuff to see if it’s more of what you want. If not that’s fine just do you. I’m short no you will not get close to what 3 jtr’s would do with 4 15’s not very close at all. But there will be other benefits to having that different gear. O and you said you sold the jtr’s partly because of how much they costed right? In the aspect of you were tight on money and needed those funds for bills or something ( sorry don’t mean to ask such personal question don’t worry if you dont want to answer) or you couldn’t justify spending that much money on subwoofers because there performance wasn’t up to par with how much they costed, or some other reason? Sorry just didn’t know what you meant when you said you sold them because of how much they were. Edit: o it was because you wanted to get into e dirt bikes isee. I think you just have the upgrade bug to an extreme. I’m glad in a way I’m
Not like that so I can be content with what I have through and through but also it would be fun experiencing different stuff Al the time. As long as you’re having fun with it and making good decisions more power to you. But it makes me wonder always seeing you upgrade you must not be very happy with most of the gear you get and that can’t be that good of a feeling. Do you think you’ll ever be able to stop this so called upgrade bug if so what will help you do so, finding the right gear for you or just getting over a habit or a combination of such things. Btw best of wishes to you and yours happy holidays
Haha I think you answered some of your own questions there. I do believe that eventually I will stop upgrading my own gear and just review what companies send me. Right now I am still finding it difficult to get companies to send me gear, so in the meantime I need to keep upgrading mine so I have gear to review. For the most part, that is why I keep changing up my equipment. Most of the time it has nothing to do with me being unhappy with the equipment. When it comes to the JTR in particular they perform AMAZING for their price. They compete with subwoofers that cost twice as much or more. I miss the JTR’s, in fact I miss them so much I have ordered JTR subwoofers once again. This time I ordered 3 JTR subwoofers that will suit my needs a little more exactly. Thanks for watching my friend…cheers.
Thanks for this video
Did u ever do a full review for the avm90
I am really waiting for that review. I threw u a subscribe
Thanks for subscribing. The AVM90 review is coming soon, my summer schedule has just been insane.
Hi all, I am looking at getting dual sub woofers for my new setup with paradigm 800fs, 600c and couple p80a's, planning to buy Anthem mrx540. My area is mult-purpose room, viewing area at 12x15 open to the left at another 15x16. I was at the SVS PB2000 vs Defiance x12 now thinking SVS PB3000 but now comparing to Defiance X15. I have never built a theatre setup like this and curious at some thoughts. I want bass where i feel it and after seeing the video perhaps i shouldn't go too much bass. Would the dual X15's be a good fit or SVS3000 would hit lower? Thanks and great videos.
Hey Kevin, thanks for watching. It's tough for me to say definitively, because I have not heard the PB3000 or compared it to the X15. Judging by the CEA2010 numbers, they are very similar in low end output, but the X15 hits harder 40hz and up. The X15 has about 3db more at 16hz, the PB3000 has more at 20 & 25hz, then from 50-80hz the X15 has 1-3db more. They really are quite close and sort of exchange blows as far as response and features. One area that SVS REALLY excels at is customer service and their buyer benefits.
Here is my personal feeling on it. Since the X15 has strong mid-range output it may be a little better for music, considering that most music bass lives in those frequencies. Looking at the long term output sweeps the SVS has a flatter compression graph than the Paradigm, in the lower octaves. This does lead me to believe that lower bass will perform slightly better on the PB3000. The best advice I can give you is to pick which one works the best with your space, and which one you can get the best price on. The output is so close that you can't really go wrong either way. Here is a link to the PB3000 if you want to check it out: tinyurl.com/bdfwwd7r
I got a lot of pushback when I sold my RS2's as well a few months ago. Going back to the Rythmik G25HP's has been a great move for me. I absolutely love Rythmik and the detailed sound. I think you made a good move there. Infrasonic's are overrated. Cool video, great editing! Loved the sub shot with the red neon glow.
You take that back right now 😅😭
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve never understood the single digit chase. Makes absolutely no sense, other than to show off or for bragging rights. Give me solid output down to 20hz and I’m good.🤷♂️
It's kind of funny how people want to say what's best and what's not. One day you like infrasonics another day you don't.
Spec of tech gave up the best subwoofers out there that gave infrasonics and the most detailed sound on the market. Looking for the most bang for the buck but not most detailed.
Funk Audio!!
@@jimthestargazer I find peoples taste in things change as they are exposed to new things. The first time I heard Martin Logan ESLs I learned that music is so much more impressive than movies. Starter to chase that dream.
Yeah I hear you on the Martin Logan was my favorite and most desired for years.
But for subs you have to find the best product to fulfill both. Spech had it, Funk Audio.
I'm even upgrading from Seaton F18s in a few months to the Funk Audio 18.0 Full Carbon and Seaton is top notch woth Nomex 7hz-200hz fulfills both movies and music just Funk is the cleaner more dynamic and powerful sub.
Hey man nice video 👍, and I’m sure the 4-15’s are rocking the joint 🔊! As a fan of infrasonic’s and also the host of just over 200 people over the last 3 years for multiple get togethers that I’ve held I can agree that infrasonic bass is not for everyone. 1st off anyone living in a apartment building or town house a complete no go, that deep bass travels so far and your just looking for trouble, 2nd is yes it does do destruction to your home, I completely rehabbed my whole house before I moved in it and the system really has put my home through the ringer and I’ve had to do multiple repairs. 3rd for a significant amount of extreme ulf it takes ton of dough no doubt about it … and lastly which might be the most important reason is some people just don’t like it, my lady which is a bass head , she loves edm concerts , Metallica , we are going to a korn concert tomorrow, loud music she is certainly a fan. But anytime I do any kind of demo in the theater that includes a ton of ulf it gives her anxiety and makes her sick to her stomach and she dislikes it very much! Also at every get together I have there is always 1 or 2 people that leave the room saying that that super low bass makes them feel nauseous and uneasy. Obviously I get into it that’s why I’ve built my system that way and there are people that love it and have even went crazier than I … I enjoy the very extreme side of things and that isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and that’s fine it’s a hobby and no wrong answers! As long as your having fun…
Thanks man, and I 100% agree with all of that, couldn't have said it better myself. I have not doubt that there will be times I will miss the extreme bass I was getting with the 3 JTR subwoofers, but I will just have to remind myself, is it worth $15,000 to have it back lol. I think once I move into a new home, that I hopefully build for myself...I will most likely go extreme again. In my current home it is just too much $$ and too much of a challenge with the levels being open to each other.
These 4 X15's do a great job of everything down to about 15hz or so, and the Crowsons do fill in the low end sensation quite nicely. But...I am quite certain I will play around with different brands of subwoofers in this price range to see which 4 will get me the best results. I am trying to get my hands on an SVS PB3000 to compare to the X15...fingers crossed. It is definitely much easier to get subwoofers in this price range in for review haha. The only ways to get uber powerful subs, is to either buy them, or have lots of subscribers to make it worth it for them to send one.
Thanks for watching!
@@SpecOfTech I see you are trying to get yourself svd pb3000 to compare. Perhaps I will wait on that review.
I rock Sonus faber, i really love them im sure you Will too
Sound wise, what is the best sub you have auditioned? I am looking for the cleanest possible bass. Thanks
That's a tough one. I'm leaning toward the Paradigm XR13. It was really clean and precise, but it doesn't have extreme output. My favorite subwoofer that has reasonably clean bass, but a ton of output, is the JTR RS2.
I haven't heard Rythmik subwoofers, but I have read and heard from people that own them that they are very accurate, clean and still have some pretty extreme output.
@@SpecOfTech The RS2 looks like it should be pretty clean . I like sealed for the tight response and having lots of headroom. Thanks
You forgot the main reason…. WAF (wife acceptance factor). I have two JTR RS2’s and when I watch a movie in the theater room it all sounds good to me but as my wife has showed me in the master bedroom it sounds like the house is coming apart from a tornado. I got them thinking we were building a new house with a theater room below the garage. Great I think with concrete surrounding the room I can go big. Well with the current building costs we decided not to built and stay in our current house. I have to keep the beasts pretty tame.
Does Rythmik ship to Canada because I've heard nothing but positive opinions on their subwoofers. Personally I really like the dual opposed designs Rythmik offers. I forgot to write this the other day, but looking at the Paradigm I would be curious to know how it would compare to the REL HT/1510 Predator?
If you contact Rythmik, they will give you a quote for shipping to Canada.
Great video. Full disclosure, my theatre room is 100% Paradigm. The low end of my system is 1 Paradigm Signature Sub 2 and 4 Paradigm Studio Sub 15s. The sub 2 is properly setup on 240 and the 15s share 2 dedicated 15amp circuits. PBK does wonders for setting up not only one Paradigm Sub but multiples as well.
PBK does a nice job, but Dirac Live with the Bass Control add on will take it up another level entirely. Best $500 I’ve spent on my HT.
What processor you running ? How did you connect 5 subs ?
@@benfits8768 my setup is far from ideal, but it’s a marantz av7701. Rear subs are ran from one output and the sub 2 has the other.
@@95redz sounds interesting. I've heard the sub 2. It's a great sub.
@@benfits8768 I think it’s a fine unit. That being said, I’m looking to make some changes. I’m either going to be going all JTR big dogs or add another sub 2 and run 2 of the 15s with them.
Off the subject but, I was just wondering do you still have positive feelings towards your anthem processor. I have been considering the purchase of this unit.
I absolutely love the AVM90 processor, what an amazing piece of gear! Don't hesitate!
Did the Harbottle 24 also have this thick sound too? I have 2 C18s on order with Cody. One of my main reasons for not going with JTR RS1 was the thick sound signature that everyone keeps describing. That would be very difficult to integrate with mains. For me, the choice was between the Harbottle C18, Rythmik F18, JTR RS1 & Funk 18.0E. Ultimately took the C18 because it was the best balance between low end SPL, uncolored sound signature, power and good looks 😀.
The wait is really painful though.
No. That thick sound is the product of compression. Harbottle subs have no compression.
@@awsomenesscaleb From what I understand, compression shouldn't change sound characteristics especially at normal volumes.
The Harbottle did have that heavy weighted bass I was describing. Its not compression or distortion, just the result of a powerful large driver subwoofer. It's clean bass, but also has a weight to it, that I can only attribute to a heavier larger driver. The lighter/smaller driver of the Paradigm does seem to sharpen up the punch, but at the same time it has less weight to it. I hope that makes sense. It isn't a bad thing, its just thick and meaty.
@@awsomenesscaleb compression? From 3 x RS2's? I doubt it.
That would also mean the Paradigm's aren't compressing? because they don't have the thick sound?
The Perlisten D215S is my endgame subwoofer.
Didn't you just get one of those?
Yes sir. Have my dual SVS PC-4000’s on the market to get another one.
I'm very interested to hear how you like the combination of moderately powered subs and Crowsons, since I am heading in a similar direction. Aside from frequency response and tactile response, one of my concerns is still having enough low frequency output to have the immersive feeling of pressurizing the room. With Crowsons, make sure to check out Aron7awol's Croson curves, since those make a big difference.
I used to have high end Sonus Faber speakers. They look pretty and sound nice, but their sound quality doesn't compare to my current JTR 212HTRs. I wouldn't recommend going that direction for a full HT setup.
I am dropping the video this morning that answers the question about these subs with Crowsons.
I hope to be happy for the time being with my soon to be arriving Sonus Faber speakers. I would love to try JTR speakers in my setup one day. The prices just keep creeping up though, it's getting pricey for us Canadians to get JTR speakers.
@@SpecOfTech hopefully you will be! My daughter (5yo at the time) literally actually cried when I sold the big Sonus Fabers because they were so beautiful. Years back, I paid $5k used for 3x 212HTRs. Prices for everything have gone insane, if you can get them at all.
I'll look out for the Crowson video! Not many of those out there.
I have dual 18 inch subs in a 18x15x6foot space and it is too much sub. I plan on down-sizing my PSA subs at some point to dual ~15 inch possibly.
I've gone multiple sealed myself. Big low tuned subs seem to sound better in complete different rooms than the main area lol. I run 3 sb4000 and one paradigm reference sub 15.
Very nice review...looks like the Paradigm X-15 price has increased to $1999 usd .
It's an unfortunate truth that everything is getting far more expensive post Covid.
It's been about 2-years now, but do you feel you could say these are, or are not, on par with the likes of the PB16 Ultra or PSAs you reviewed? Currently I have an old 18" Elemental Designs that's still going strong, but I would like to go duals in my new open living room; 25' L x 18' W x 9' Ceilings. I thought about the PB 16 Ultras but there are many subs cheaper that would hit about the same (or so it seems). If I don't have to drop over $5k in this economy I won't, which is why I'm curious what your opinion is. Thanks.
Hey Judd. I wouldn't say these X15's are on par with the PB16. Below 40hz the PB16 does beat the X15 significantly in output, between 5-10db more depending on the frequency. At 40hz they are on par with each other, at by 50hz the X15 starts to pull away in output from the PB16. It beats the PB16 by 2 to 5db depending on the frequency. So if low frequencies is a priority, the PB16 is the clear winner. If you are looking for the overall more impactful and dominant subwoofer, the PB16 takes it. If you are looking for a little more sharp hard hitting bass, the X15 does take a slight win there.
@@SpecOfTech Your comments are appreciated. I enjoy an overall more impactful subwoofer so I guess SVS wins. Thanks
Good video. To bad. I was late on the JTR subs. Definitely in the market. Sane problem though. Exspensive
JTR’s aren’t cheap, but my room is similar to Spec of Techs room and I’m considering going with 4 JTR S1’s. Hopefully they won’t overwhelm my room, and filtering the lowest frequencies is always an option if they do. Also, the S1’s are smaller and less expensive than the S2’s, but 4 should be more than adequate to deliver the goods.
Definitely wasn't expecting this switch up when I talked to you last. Paradigm does make a good product, though I'm a fan of their older models as opposed to their newer lines. I've always liked their ART surrounds, just looks really cool and different then all the other brands out there. I assume with 4 X15's you're pressurizing your room more then adequately?
Oh yeah, with 4 of them I get more than enough bass 15hz and up in my room. The Crowsons take care of the infrasonics for me.
@@SpecOfTech Right on! I've been curious about those Crowson's. I'm currently using a SVS PC13 ultra directly behind my couch ( cylinder touches the top of the couch ) for the tactile response. It blends fairly well with the DIY 15's I have in each front corner.
@@stevieG2015 Nothing wrong with a good Ol' nearfield subwoofer. The great thing about the Crowsons is that they are flat down to 5hz. They make your subwoofer feel like they have incredible low end performance, even if they don't. They are also very authentic feeling, it feels like you have an uber powerful subwoofer behind your seats.
@@SpecOfTech Yeah, my space is a real pain to properly fill. Adding the third sub in the nearfield position has completely changed my experience. I regret not tuning my DIY's a bit lower, still provides lots of depth but a 15hz tune as opposed to the 20 that they're at would have gone a long way Each DIY uses a STA-1000d from PB13 ultras that my friend did the amp upgrade on.
I think there's something else. These smaller, higher-end compact subwoofers have some features that large box subwoofers with larger speakers lack.
They have a more advanced bass. Bass can be different, very different. The way it is articulated, its character, contours, etc. Some subwoofers have a beautiful, very pleasant, plush kind of bass that envelops, and others have an aggressive, rough, feisty bass. and some other features that are difficult to describe. i I think the X15s have a few features that the RS2s didn't have
How do these compare to the HSU uls 15 mk2? Because I can get 2 of those for the price of one of the Paradigm x15.
If you can get 2 HSU subwoofers for the price of one X15, get the 2 HSU subwoofers. Two subwoofers is pretty much always better than a single subwoofer. The HSU subwoofers are known to be fantastic performers for the price. But that comparison isn't exactly apples to apples because that HSU sub is sealed and the X15 is ported.
The Paradigm X15's do have more output at all frequencies that these HSU subwoofers, especially from 80hz down.
Super excited to see more channels get into Sonus Faber speakers they are fantastic look and sound wise with a huge WAF, did you get the sonettos?
I did settle on the Sonetto's. IMO they are the best value with their amazing looks/design and hopefully beautiful sound. I wasn't able to hear them before purchasing, so I am flying blind on that one. I take it you own Sonus Faber?
@@SpecOfTech Yes I own Lumina V's in the beautiful walnut finish myself but plan to get the Sonetto II center since the Lumina center is a little small imo. I'm torn between JL Fathom subwoofers and now possibly paradigm X15's, I own the HSU VTF3 MK5 now but I want to go dual and higher quality bass. It's hard to make a decision lol
@@MasterMark5 To be honest you will probably get a better bass experience from the JL subwoofers. The X15s are a great subwoofer for their price, but they can't compete with higher end more expensive offerings. The X15s do have a nice clean/sharp punch, with respectable low end performance though. Another one to look at would be the SVS PB3000 - tinyurl.com/bdfwwd7r
@@SpecOfTech Yeah I always thought JTR was the sub to beat but after this video maybe JL is the brand to beat even if they are one of the more expensive options. If you really think about it how often do movies ACTUALLY go below 20hz or 15hz, I can think of a few but I don't think a majority of them do. I know the JTR are output kings but since I haven't heard them in person how's the quality of bass compared to SVS or JL?
@@MasterMark5 You were right to think that JTR are the subwoofers to beat. They will out perform any JL subwoofer for less money. The JTR subwoofers are also quality bass. They provide thick/heavy quality transient bass. Where the JTR subwoofers are quite easily beat is in aesthetics. Not that they look bad or are poorly built, they are built from solid Baltic birch, which is more expensive than MDF. They are finished in a duratec style paint which is very industrial, and not the prettiest looking. JL arguably have a nicer aesthetic than JTR, but they won't beat them in the bass department.
I have had dual SVS PB16 Ultras before, and the JTR RS2's are in a completely different league than the SVS subwoofers. Again, the SVS subwoofers look prettier and have that handy app, but the JTR EASILY beats them in the bass department.
How much money have you lost on reselling with all of the switching?
this guy has saved me a tonne of money
haha, all in a days work, glad to help.
I almost purchased this sub, i opted for the monolith thx13 instead at sub 2k canadian. Both 15 inch ported drivers but the monolith claims double the rms watts. X15 is suppose to have good clean mid bass. As with everything you have a trade off, clean ultra low frequencies and the monoprice seems to feel slugish and struggle with music despite its 2000 watt rms claim.
Monolith offers great low end performance for their price, I considered them as well. They sacrifice SPL 20hz and up to provide more SPL below 20hz. You are exactly right, its a trade off.
How did you get it so cheap
@@craigmckenzie6904 I wouldn't say I got these "cheap". I did get a bit of discount because I was buying 4 of them. Whenever I make a purchase like this I always negotiate with the dealer.
@@SpecOfTech I was talking to the monolith guy. Sorry. Under 2k for the 13thx is a gooooood deal
@@craigmckenzie6904 amazon had sold 10 of these at one point and the price wandered under 2k canadian. The paradigm was 1899 and the monolith 1928 at one point. I would caution canadians doing business with american audio companies. Their warranties often come at a severe cost of shipping. Amazon does not like handling returns with a product like this and if a driver or amplifier dies on this 156 lb monolith, monoprice will not send out replacement parts they want you to ship it back to california. I would assume that would cost 4-450$ in return shipping. Thats unacceptable for a product this size. They do not carry parts for these products.
Paradigm at least has a local dealer. I spoke with Svs and they will not ship to canada either but they would ship a part to the border and you could go pick it up if something failed in the warranty period.
Nice video by ya, i had a pair of mid 90s paradigm speakers, anda paradigm subwoofer..kenwood rack feeding thru the paradigm setup..hardwood floors, high ceilings, could rattle my ol ladys china , off the shelf..lol..she got pissed..anyway..yeah..I totally get, why you did it..hey!! Paradigm is pretty highly rated in audio respect...that i know, foe zhure...wish ya luck with ur paradigms...it doeznt ave to be the best always, to be, whats, best for anyone..peace
Thanks brother...cheers.
@@SpecOfTech foe shure..peace
I use 12 SVS 16" subs for true immersion
You use 12 SVS 16" subs? That's insane man! Are you using the SB16 or the PB16?
Would be nice of you to buy a Dare Audio S824 and make a review video!
I'll be honest, I'll probably never buy one. You are the only person I have ever seen mention them, they aren't high demand. If they wanted to send me one for review I might consider it, but I don't buy products at viewers requests.
I think these have on-board DSP via Anthem Room Correction to help with dialing them in as well.
On board anthem.
Yes sir, they have ARC built in for calibration. They also have a handy app, just like SVS subs.
@@SpecOfTech
So these can be calibrated independently of an AVR?
@@healthynutster Yes they have ARC built in. They can be calibrated without using an AVR/PRE-PRO.
Congrats on the Sonus Faber's.
Thanks man!
As someone who is still obsessed with infrasonics, I can't relate lol
lol
I understand why you did it. But at the same time I don’t lol I don’t know what to think about this…😮 but I would love just one rs2, probably an rs1 would be enough for me lol but I still love my SVS pb4ks
Lol I know, I thought I would have them for much longer too. With having the channel though and needing new gear to review, and having to pay for that gear myself 99% of the time, I need to keep gear moving at the moment.
I *despise* any sort of rattling. I run 2.2 and my subs are blended in. They do hit hard but I don't have them set up to rattle windows. If I built a theater, most of my time would be spent dampening rattles. They are a disgusting intrusion.
As someone who is also struggling with getting the biggest, deepest frequency playing sub with an 18 or 21 inch driver vs multiple smaller ported subwoofers which can still play 15hz with solid spl.......how would you rate these paradigm subs vs say a PB-3000 which are the same price here in Canada and are a great balance for SVS as they are one of their better if not their best mid-bass performer??? Thanks
The SVS will probably have the edge in output down low, but the Paradigm will have significantly more mid bass output. Pick your poison.
I’m taking the Paradigm for the better mid bass slam personally.
@@brucecarter6205 does the Paradigm have more mid bass punch? Are there any comparisons or data to show that it has more output at say 40hz and up than the SVS?
I was comparing these exact subwoofers before I pulled the trigger on the X15's. They are very similar in output down to 15hz, but the X15's have better group delay and better performance 30hz and up. IMO, the X15 is the winner when compared to the PB3000. The PB3000 is still a great subwoofer and great output for its driver size, but the X15 does take a win here. If you look up the PB3000 and X15 on Audioholics they provide CEA2010 numbers there.
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@@SpecOfTech great thanks for the reply here! I have been debating selling my PB-13 ultra and getting an 18 or 21 inch PSA but am now leaning towards the paradigm and pairing it with the PB-13 to give a bit more headroom and mid-bass. Hopefully the Paradigm would pair ok, that's one reason why I thought the SVS 3000 may be better given same brand and likely a similar tuning frequency.
0:36 A lot of us home theater guys have placed too much emphasis on infrasonics
JTR: AND I TOOK THAT PERSONALLY
Lol sorry it had to be said. Even I had a hard time saying it, it was harder than saying "you were right" to my wife lol.
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That is a ton of money for some subs. I have 1, the ported one. Love it so much
Surprised you didn't grab 4 x PSA 1813 models?
Maybe one day, I have no doubt I will be exploring other subwoofers in the future.
I think you need to build some devastators with 21's #endgame
I think if you listened to the video you would see he is going away from that direction with this purchase.
How did you connect your crowson transducer?
Just with 1 of my sub outs to the Crowson amp, then 12 guage wire from the amp to the Crowson.
You mean from 1 of the sub outs of your pre pro. Thanks.
I had Crowson’s, and was never really able to properly dial them in for best impact. Many have had great results using a MiniDSP HD
Do you have plans on doing reviews on your e-bike? I know your an audio channel but I would watch reviews presented by you on other things. You're honest and relatable.
Thanks man, I appreciate that. I was planning on doing a review about my e-dirbike. I should receive it Sept 1st, then once I have had some time with it I will do a full review.
@@SpecOfTech I received a comment from you saying I won a prize and to text this number and then told I won a subwoofer. Just making sure it was you
@@halffast1850 No that was not me, it was a scammer...don't reply to them. I have reported them, I hope YT will delete their account.
@@SpecOfTech I figured thanks for the heads up
Even I felt good with ported subwoofers. Could not tolerate sealed ones.
Ha bro! I forgot to ask what made you choose these subwoofers over others?
Over which others?
@@SpecOfTech me too but I’m coming from the TV2410 2 of them and thin the big boy Monoprice M-15 V2 15in . I’m trying my best to make this X15 sound better but it’s still a work progress. Lol 😂
@@HPMIKE55 I haven't had much time to play with this yet, but I think boosting the low end in the app will help these subwoofers.
4 15's? that still has to be amazing. I didn't get a demo of the JTR's... the Funks almost made me puke!!! How much bass does one need? If memory serves, only a few of the kazillon movies out there have bass that reaches below 10hz. good move! 👍👍
👆Exactly. There is simply not enough bass information below 20hz to justify the single digit chase imo. I always laugh when people use the pre title screen demo from Edge of Tomorrow to show off their system.
Lol hey you take that back, I like the EOT opening scen to test my subs 😜. I do it more for fun though, not that it should dictate ones decision to buy a sub or not.
Well come on down buddy, see what these 4 15's can do. I wish you had experienced the JTR's though, they were INSANE lol. The Paradigms are still nuts, but more realistic.
@@brucecarter6205
True, however, a sub that can do single digits will also reproduce higher frequencies more effortlessly and will tend to sound more authoritative
Dude u r changing your gear more often than some people their socks lol
lol well their socks must stink. Yeah, I try to sell my gear before it gets too old, it keeps its value better. Since I am always reviewing new stuff and so far I have had to buy almost everything I review, I kind of have to to it like that for now.
Im late to the party .. but im here now. =)
Welcome to the party!
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
How old do I look?
Gerard Stroh!!!
Spec of Tech***
I have A Home Theater in My House and All of My Speakers including Subwoofers and Dolby Atmos and Surround Sound Speakers Are Diy Build!!!!
2 of My Super 5 feet Wide and 4 feet Tall and 2 Feet Deep Subwoofer Speakers that Have 18 inch Subwoofer Speakers that Go Deep Down to 7Hz at 98DB****
I have A 3rd 18 inch Subwoofer with an 18 and the Box is 5 Feet Tall and 25 inches Wide and 2 Feet Deep!!!
I also Have an Dayton Audio 21 inch Vortex 2000 Watt Subwoofer Speaker and the Box Is 5 Feet Tall and 26 inch Wide and 2 Feet Deep!!!
I just Got A New QSC RMX 2450a Poweramp and I Have 2 of These Poweramps and I Use one of these Poweramps for My Dayton Audio 21 inch Vortex 2000 Watt Speaker and I Have The QSC RMX 2450a Poweramp on Bridge Mode and the output is 2400 Watts at 4 Ohms!!!
My Home Theater is 10000 Watts of Power on My Home Theater/Stereo System****
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Sounds like a lot of time, effort and care went into building your system...nice work Gerard. I have no doubt it sounds amazing...cheers!
I mean every man to his own, and if someone wants these Paradigm subs, sure, go for it. But personally I would had MUCH rather gotten a pair of SVS for the same price.. I don't like the Defiance X15's at all, I think the quality and sound is faaaar from the price they ask for these. It feels and sounds like your average cerwin vega sub.
Where do you feel they lack quality? They are just an MDF enclosure, with a wrap, no different than the SVS. Have you owned the Defiance X15's before in your space? The X15's are very similar in price and VERY similar in output to the SVS PB3000. They both have an app, but the X15 also has ARC built in. I do plan on comparing the PB3000 to the X15, but I do feel your statement is overly harsh.
@@SpecOfTech Oh sure, it's a matter of taste maybe. For me it is the sharp edges and the cheap feeling vinyl, that I have seen peal on the back and corners on one of these. I don't like the sound, when I tested it I just had the feeling of cerwin vega, and also, I don't feel they come anywhere close to the power and speed of the SVS SB-3000. No, I have not owned them, I have had one at home for audition from a local dealer. Me personally, I think SVS SB-3000 runs laps around the X15.
@@xaerothehero I hope to find out, I will try to get a PB3000 to compare to the X15. I agree that Paradigm could have at least rounded the corners and edges. The fit an finish isn't terrible on the X15, but it is an area that could use some improvement for sure.
If you are comparing the X15 to the SB3000 that is not apples to apples. The SB3000 falls VERY short on output vs the X15, the X15 has much more output at all frequencies. It has as much as 12db more down low, and maintains at least 3db more in the upper frequencies until 80hz and up. So I would definitely have to disagree with you that the SB3000 would run circles around the X15. The SB3000 falls very short in output, has worse group delay and arguably much worse distortion vs the X15. The PB3000 is much closer to the X15 regarding output, and is a much more fair comparison for SVS.
@@SpecOfTech Sorry, I obviously meant the ported PB3000.
@@xaerothehero All good!
15” Driver with Patented ART™ Surround, 900W RMS (1800W Dynamic Peak), App Control, High-Velocity Low-Turbulence Ported Design, Anthem Room Correction (ARC®) Included.
You said 800watt rms it's in fact 900W
Thanks for the correction.
@@SpecOfTech what volume do you have the subs set to? And deep bass?
@@jamiesmith8307 The subs gain settings are all slightly different because they are at different locations. I believe that for the most part they are between -10db and -15db. I am out of town right now, and can't confirm. The deep bass setting was last left at 0db if I remember correctly. I have played with that a bit just to see what I prefer. The more you turn up the Deep Bass the more you are cutting into your head room though.
Ribbed for your subwoofer pleasure! Wink wink 😅🤣😅
Wife flipped out... haha jk, but it would be a common story!!
lol I feel bad for guys like that. I have a very supportive wife, thankfully!
😢I'm hoping you got at least 30% off retail on 4 paradigms, retail value is perceived value
No, it's pretty difficult to get a 30% discount on new Audio equipment, the retailer needs to make some money too.
@@SpecOfTech no it's possible I've bought stuff before 30% just got my $3000 marantz receiver it's hard but walk when they font want to negotiate out that door. They pay 40% of retail lots of room for discounts
😂😂😂it is never enough..soon you will be Kefing 😅
You're considering ebikes in the Rockies? Take my advice, just get a good gas powered bike. Te or ktm/gasgas 150i/250 or wr/yz250.
There are several reasons I'm going with an e-dirtbike, the lack of space to store a large bike is one of them unfortunately. If you put a high power controller and a 72V battery I have read they are equivalent to a 400-450cc gas powered. Even if that gets me to 250cc territory I'll be happy.
@@SpecOfTech I highly recommend you ride a modern 150- 450cc first. In fact, I live near Kremmling's BLM ohv land and have 2 bikes you could try if you like. A 2022 plush suspension yz250fx and a 14 kx450f with a woods tune. Both of these bikes are in a completely different category than any E bike on the market when it comes to power acceleration top speed range and capability. The ebikes might as well have a "PowerWheel" sticker on the side of them. There is nobody riding ebikes out here for a reason, don't believe ebike manufacturers claims of 30hp when each hp requires 750 watts or more before losses. Just a Megar 30 hp would require a constant 22,500 watts from a small battery pack. You can find online calculators to help better understand how unrealistic of a load this is. This type of false advertising is similar to how cheap amplifiers advertise power. Ev/bike manufacturers make up their own hp ratings, most of these ebikes make 5hp or less constantly. Even just 5hp requires about 4,000 watts, All of the promotional electric d-bike videos you will find are run on hard packed services with skinny tires pumped up rock hard. You never see proper back-to-back dyno test of a gas bike to an ebike. Also consider, the cold weather has a dramatic effect on your ebike and we have a lot of that up here in the Rockies. You would not believe how quiet a te150i is, and it's a full sized completely capable dirtbike. Anothers consideration is range, these gas dirtbikes do 60 miles reliably under extreme conditions.
Ebikes won't even make one hill climb up here at full power, pack voltage will quickly sag, amperage draw falls to maintain voltage = nowhere near the advertised hp and tq within seconds. I promise you would not want anything to do with a battery powered dirtbike over a proper single track gas bike here at the Wolford mountain ohv area. Modern 250 CC to 450 CC dirtbikes are rocketships.
@@Dat_Sun I agree with you man, but I have weighed all these options already, and I also really appreciate the offer to check your bikes out. I have a 4 level split home that takes up most of the property, there is no garage and no room to build one. I will most likely end up storing this bike inside the house, hence why I need something smaller and more manageable. A gas bike just doesn't work for me right now, but I wish it did.
The Talaria Sting e-dirtbike is basically a beefed up mountain bike regarding size. It comes with 6000 watts stock, but soon you can get a 35kw motor from KO along with their beefed up controller. Pair that with a high capacity 72V battery and it will have plenty of jam, enough to flip you on your back in a blink. I also want something that is less conspicuous for some possible city riding. I won't be riding any crazy trails or mountain climbing, just want some nice medium trails to have some fun.
@@SpecOfTech In that case, I think it would be practical. It would be honest of ebikes manufacturers to agree on an industry standard for both maximum reliable sustained battery discharge rates and esc/motor power ratings. Right now the advertised ev bike hp claims are bogus. Usable power, but not anywhere near claimed.
@@Dat_Sun I agree with that, they need to have some regulated standards. I am sure that will happen over time, but it's still pretty new.
But why? They make a better-looking stack!
They do look good don’t they!
I like that down sizing for you is buying 4 Defiance X15's 😂
lol I guess I never really thought about it that way. Now that you pointed it out, it is pretty cool to think about it. I remember when I had 2 10" Polk subs and thought that was pretty awesome lmao.
Now you prefer subwoofers with more emphasis on tight clean high articulate bass at the expense of output and extension.
The JTR subwoofers are clean too, but there is a slightly different sound in "weight" vs a smaller lighter driver. I will give the Paradigms their dues, they hit hard and fast.
@@SpecOfTech If you had endless cash, which subwoofer would you have purchased more of to get the best detailed sound quality that you have tested?
Haven’t watched yet, but there should be a Doctor of some kind that can help you with your condition!! 😂
6:34 Ribbed for your subwoofer pleasure😭🤣
Yeah ...I saw how he snuck that one in also
How do you finance your hobby? You change more often in subs than my wife changes shoes
Funny you should ask, I made a video about that. ua-cam.com/video/wNX00I_t6s4/v-deo.html
I have a feeling you will regret selling the jtrs sooner or later
oh, I regret selling them lol. I knew I would miss them before selling, but I like trying new things. I will most likely end up with JTR RS2's again in the future.
Can you actually damage your house with the jtr's???. or are you just being sarcastic?.
cheers
If you would run them at extreme levels consistently, you would start to damage the drywall and possibly the ceiling as well. Because it causes the drywal to flex, and over time that will damage it legitimately.
Because your canadian? just joking... Kind of...maybe, I'm grasping at straws here, support your local community? Honestly, those jtr's are awesome but ridiculous and based on the speakers you have these paradigms seem more appropriate.
This decision is just what's better for me and my setup for now. Who knows what the future will bring though.
Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmm
$15k for 3 JTR S2 subwoofers is just ridiculous. It's just a speaker. It's not like it has an engine in it and can actually take you places.
For what you get it’s not a bad deal….The Perlisten flagship subs are $9k each
so what...you don't know that you can just lower subwoofer levels ?? this is soo stupid....
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you dont realize that having too much headroom is essentially a waste of money. Or you didn't watch the whole video, in which case you comment is ignorant of the facts. It has nothing to do with level, I had everything calibrated. Why have $15,000 in subwoofers and only use 20% of their capabilities??? Do you get it now?
@@SpecOfTech you do realize many people try to achieve that kind of thing BECAUSE of the effortlessness of sub bass..why didn't you tried to maximize its extension then ? or how about the fact you went from having loads of sub bass AND infrasonic headroom to now..nothing much below 20hz and no where close as effortless ..calling me ignorant of facts..how about you being ignorant of the fact that you LITERALLY HAD AN ENDGAME SUBWOOFER SETUP!! ..you wanna play stupid like this all the time fine...best you go for the SMS G50 then or PB1000 pro
I'm sorry, but u sold subwoofers then bought 4 subwoofers to save money? What is your IQ?
Why don't you come back when you aren't immature, ignorant and rude, and then we can talk about all the things wrong with your comment!