3 supports has a lower win rate than 2 supports, cauterize will probably have the opposite effect where you want more supports to out heal the cauterize. I dont see that being a fix. Also both teams can actually run 3 supports if they want too. Its not like you are going against 3 supports and your team inst allowed to do the same. I dont see this mattering.
This 3 support meta whining is starting to get more annoying by the day. Like, nah, as you said, its not the meta. The meta shifts between 2-2-2 and 1-3-2 which depends on the comp and player skill, but 3 support is never meta. That means either less tank or dps, so they either won’t have enough damage or defense to protect those healers. I can see it being an issue if those 3 supports are not being harassed, but that’s a skill issue and not a game issue.
That's exactly my point, when both teams pick triple support then TTK just takes way too long, if you've ever played goats in ow2 then you know exactly how frustrating it is to deal with triple support and the fact that no one dies is just not fun. It's just a matter of "who is the better team with triple support" meta
As a Venom main who’s main role is to charge at the enemy this is extremely frustrating and makes my efforts pointless. I’m unable to kill anyone because they just keep healing over and over and over and over. And it’s even worse when my team has one healer and the other has 3.
This is also probably why the meta rn is 3 supports, their ults when used correctly and not at the same time could essentially grant you a guaranteed tap on point for a prolonged amount of time. Though I think that they tried to counter this by creating a lot of dive dps characters, but clearly they underestimated the power of good support players/ good team cooperation. Good video explaining the support meta!
DPS main here, seems like a skill issue. Also the comparison is quite insane, OW had 500 times the AIDS support x-factor before the end of GOATS meta than anything in rivals. Like rivals is not even half as bad as ow support aids that existed for 2-3 years after its release.
The big thing about the ults is it's fine for casual play, and the CD buff feels good in QM. Mostly because most people would run off your ults. But when it comes to comp these are over powered. So it matters if the game wants to balance for causal or competitive. The other thing is Healers in this game need alot of what makes them OP because of the amount of divers the game has. In somthing like OW there only a small amount of divers that you need to worry about. But when you have tankd and DPS that can dive on top of that do 300 insta damage combos healers need something to sustain them. But overall the problem with Ultimates in hero shooters has always been it becomes a game of ult economy.
I absolutely agree with nerfing support ults, but adding anti heal would be potentially problematic as it could reinforce just having 2 perma healing supports that don't really focus on damage as much as healing. Who knows though, but I agree chaining support ults is just so cancer. If someone is being actively healed in the game even with non-support ults...they feel nearly unkillable
I dont think triple support is very good for most players. You need to be very coordinated to make it work. Most of what happens in my games is that the triple support team builds their support ults slower than the 2-2-2 team, so 2-2-2 gets an early advantage and uses that to snowball and get a massive lead that the triple support team cant make up for because of their lack of damage and inability to get clean team wipes. In clutch moments triple support just falls off because they cant kill things faster than they come back from spawn. With good communication and support players that can hit shots and provide meaningful damage, it can work, but only then. Most supports below gm are just heal bots and dont comm so triple support doesn't work so well.
Yes this mostly only apply for higher ranked players, in the lower elo this triple support meta isn't much of a problem since they just insta-pick duelist 😂
Played 3 supports then immediately they pick wolverine and tchalla our tanks dont pick to help and then all strategist proceed to be fed to the divers on spawn with no answer to it so yeah get good my man people are already seeing answers to it magneto ult to kill both cloack and dagger and inv woman ult and killing them on cooldown makes it so they dont get ult charge
If you had gone back and looked at the page you were just looking at you'd see it's 165 heals per second not 250. A big part of why they needed to make supports so strong in this game is so that people will actually play them and because there other ults in the game that would absolutely ruin the game if you didn't have a counter for it. Storm's ultimate is already pretty much a guaranteed triple kill unless you save an ult to negate it. Punisher is going to get a double or triple if you're caught in the open. I mean groot can wipe an entire team if you don't have sufficient burst aoe healing. Magneto can kill through luna's ult. Thor would go buck wild if heals were weaker. Are healers the strongest role in the game? Yeah for sure no doubt about it. But do I think they're problematic? Not really. The strongest defensive ults in the game are Luna, Mantis, and Invisible Woman and all 3 characters are very easily killed without their ults. Unless you can hit your cc any competent dps or tank is going to kill them without intervention from their teammate.
Do people not understand what meta means anymore? How is it a triple healer "meta" when the "meta" almost has a 6% lower winrate than 2-2-2?? 6% is a MASSIVE difference in this context, there's no problem that needs to be fixed at this point in time and the stats clearly show that.
Out of all of them, I think clock and Dagger is the most cringe her utl costs 3600 compared to others supps which cost 4000 so she gets it faster and lasts 15-16 sec and it also damages enemies forcing them to leave point at least other supp ult don't do damage. also a good clock and dagger player can ez eye frame major one-shot ult cuz she has fkin invincibility frames in her kit. Her only counter are Magnito and maybe iron man and you have to save your ult until dagger ults so u can one-shot her in her ult. If not the just disgracefully leave the area.
It's rock-paper-sissors dude, plus you have to take into account, that people won't play supports if they suck. All the dive-characters, and snipers wreck supports, Iron Fist, Venom, Black Panther, Spiderman, Helen, Hawkeye, Ironman, Storm, roll more dive characters etc. There's counters to almost everything.
So you want people to just not be able to play there characters because the others are so op they force you to swap? You guys learned nothing from overwatch
@@arbalest327 The game doesn't revolve around the character "you" want to play. For characters deemed too over-powered there are ban options as you rank up. Sometimes one character switch makes the difference in winning & losing. If you just want to do whatever you feel like, that's what "quickplay" is for.
@@liahfox5840 and guess what your ideology leads to, constant counter swapping and never playing anything but the meta, aka the least counterable thing. Hero bans doesn't fix the issue, it's only a band aid fix and a way to target ban specific people doing well if people recognize them. None of what you explained is remotely good for the games health and replayability
@@arbalest327 Just as I know what your ideology leads too. A boring repetitive game, where each character is more, or less, a clone of each other. 100% all set with that! There are plenty of games that already do that. Go play those games.
"This meta is still kinda new, so it is still getting experimented on". Why are you jumping to conclusions without any evidence? You could be biased there because it is painful to play against a 3 strategist comp. From my experience,e I have won games against a 3 strategist comp team, and lost games against 3 strategist comp (even in rank that I just started). People were complaining about Moonknight's ult being weak, so the devs fixed it. Now Moonknight's kit and ult are powerful and he has no weakness. It seems to me that people jump to conclusions and assume Moonknight's ult needed to be buff.
No evidence? It's still new for low elo players but in higher elo most of the time they run triple support and it works very well. This isn't much of a problem in the lower elo since they have no team coordination but in higher elo its currently a problem.
Its everywhere because Timmy ppl cant play anything else but supports pressing button for insta value. Like why? Let competitors be awarded for their performance for gods sake. I thought leaving overwatch behind would make me stay away for those cringe asf braindead sustains. Atleats i dont have to experience that crap in low elo. For now...
@@wahajhaider6313 here's no need to block, cut, delete, or restrict. What's needed is to increase understanding and provide clearer descriptions of what already exists in the game. Right now, all those "TERRIBLY POWERFUL" abilities have at least 6-7 counterplay tactics that don't even require much coordination. The issue is that you don't realize they exist because of a lack of knowledge about other characters. For the same reason, there are disheartened complainers saying someone is too weak or useless, claiming you can't pick a particular character because they have no idea how to use them properly.
@@elite943able Are you swapping to cloak then fighting? If not then you are fighting some bad duelist. Dagger has very low damage. It is laughably low. You can't even kill one squishy in the time for the bubble to disappear in practice even if that squishy doesnt move. I literally just did that in practice just to see. Ya'll on some next level cope takes with this thread.
there;s been dozens of games where tanks and dps kits are broken, and the ONE game where supports have decent kits they're broken. I agree some are overtuned, but broken? nah. supports are actually fun in this game, leave it that way,
I'm normally a duelist/damage main but I've been playing supports bc of how fun they are. My only problem with them are their defensive ultimates lasting forever
Should these defensive support ultimates get nerf or keep them? 🤔
Keep its fun😊
Some deserve buffs, some deserve nerfs
@@Godofpillowsand this is a neutral response to overall avoid them ever getting changed
@@Dirpyd1nofun for everyone but the braindead supports being carried by their character
3 supports has a lower win rate than 2 supports, cauterize will probably have the opposite effect where you want more supports to out heal the cauterize. I dont see that being a fix. Also both teams can actually run 3 supports if they want too. Its not like you are going against 3 supports and your team inst allowed to do the same. I dont see this mattering.
Lmao yeah well you’re retarded
This 3 support meta whining is starting to get more annoying by the day. Like, nah, as you said, its not the meta. The meta shifts between 2-2-2 and 1-3-2 which depends on the comp and player skill, but 3 support is never meta. That means either less tank or dps, so they either won’t have enough damage or defense to protect those healers. I can see it being an issue if those 3 supports are not being harassed, but that’s a skill issue and not a game issue.
That's exactly my point, when both teams pick triple support then TTK just takes way too long, if you've ever played goats in ow2 then you know exactly how frustrating it is to deal with triple support and the fact that no one dies is just not fun. It's just a matter of "who is the better team with triple support" meta
Its just so toxic when a luna can press ult and take the point no matter how bad they were playing
i played 3 supports today with 1 duelist and a tank and won the game with so much ease the other team didnt even have a chance,
As a Venom main who’s main role is to charge at the enemy this is extremely frustrating and makes my efforts pointless. I’m unable to kill anyone because they just keep healing over and over and over and over. And it’s even worse when my team has one healer and the other has 3.
This is also probably why the meta rn is 3 supports, their ults when used correctly and not at the same time could essentially grant you a guaranteed tap on point for a prolonged amount of time. Though I think that they tried to counter this by creating a lot of dive dps characters, but clearly they underestimated the power of good support players/ good team cooperation. Good video explaining the support meta!
Especially with the amount of dive counters supports have 😂 I love being a support
DPS main here, seems like a skill issue. Also the comparison is quite insane, OW had 500 times the AIDS support x-factor before the end of GOATS meta than anything in rivals. Like rivals is not even half as bad as ow support aids that existed for 2-3 years after its release.
The big thing about the ults is it's fine for casual play, and the CD buff feels good in QM. Mostly because most people would run off your ults. But when it comes to comp these are over powered. So it matters if the game wants to balance for causal or competitive. The other thing is Healers in this game need alot of what makes them OP because of the amount of divers the game has. In somthing like OW there only a small amount of divers that you need to worry about. But when you have tankd and DPS that can dive on top of that do 300 insta damage combos healers need something to sustain them. But overall the problem with Ultimates in hero shooters has always been it becomes a game of ult economy.
I absolutely agree with nerfing support ults, but adding anti heal would be potentially problematic as it could reinforce just having 2 perma healing supports that don't really focus on damage as much as healing. Who knows though, but I agree chaining support ults is just so cancer. If someone is being actively healed in the game even with non-support ults...they feel nearly unkillable
I dont think triple support is very good for most players. You need to be very coordinated to make it work. Most of what happens in my games is that the triple support team builds their support ults slower than the 2-2-2 team, so 2-2-2 gets an early advantage and uses that to snowball and get a massive lead that the triple support team cant make up for because of their lack of damage and inability to get clean team wipes. In clutch moments triple support just falls off because they cant kill things faster than they come back from spawn. With good communication and support players that can hit shots and provide meaningful damage, it can work, but only then. Most supports below gm are just heal bots and dont comm so triple support doesn't work so well.
Yes this mostly only apply for higher ranked players, in the lower elo this triple support meta isn't much of a problem since they just insta-pick duelist 😂
Played 3 supports then immediately they pick wolverine and tchalla our tanks dont pick to help and then all strategist proceed to be fed to the divers on spawn with no answer to it so yeah get good my man people are already seeing answers to it magneto ult to kill both cloack and dagger and inv woman ult and killing them on cooldown makes it so they dont get ult charge
They need to do the paladin system the longer the game goes on the more anti heal there is
I dont want ana nade in this game, like ever. There's counterplay to supports and you can just ban the better ones.
No shut up.
considering the amount of characters they plan on adding its only a matter of time until we see something similar to an Ana grenade
If you had gone back and looked at the page you were just looking at you'd see it's 165 heals per second not 250. A big part of why they needed to make supports so strong in this game is so that people will actually play them and because there other ults in the game that would absolutely ruin the game if you didn't have a counter for it. Storm's ultimate is already pretty much a guaranteed triple kill unless you save an ult to negate it. Punisher is going to get a double or triple if you're caught in the open. I mean groot can wipe an entire team if you don't have sufficient burst aoe healing. Magneto can kill through luna's ult. Thor would go buck wild if heals were weaker. Are healers the strongest role in the game? Yeah for sure no doubt about it. But do I think they're problematic? Not really. The strongest defensive ults in the game are Luna, Mantis, and Invisible Woman and all 3 characters are very easily killed without their ults. Unless you can hit your cc any competent dps or tank is going to kill them without intervention from their teammate.
I hope we play comp at the same time. So easy to beat whiners with this mindset
All they need to do is just nerf the ults that’s it cause if u take about the supports healing and damage to their team and enemy team would be dumb
Do people not understand what meta means anymore? How is it a triple healer "meta" when the "meta" almost has a 6% lower winrate than 2-2-2?? 6% is a MASSIVE difference in this context, there's no problem that needs to be fixed at this point in time and the stats clearly show that.
what website was he using for the stats?
Rivalstracker.com
Out of all of them, I think clock and Dagger is the most cringe her utl costs 3600 compared to others supps which cost 4000 so she gets it faster and lasts 15-16 sec and it also damages enemies forcing them to leave point at least other supp ult don't do damage. also a good clock and dagger player can ez eye frame major one-shot ult cuz she has fkin invincibility frames in her kit. Her only counter are Magnito and maybe iron man and you have to save your ult until dagger ults so u can one-shot her in her ult. If not the just disgracefully leave the area.
Yea they will nerf sup for sure
Nah. Lets give it more time before we make videos like this.
It's rock-paper-sissors dude, plus you have to take into account, that people won't play supports if they suck. All the dive-characters, and snipers wreck supports, Iron Fist, Venom, Black Panther, Spiderman, Helen, Hawkeye, Ironman, Storm, roll more dive characters etc. There's counters to almost everything.
You can have good supports but not be broken asf mantis imo is balanced rn she is still a good pick but isn't broken.
So you want people to just not be able to play there characters because the others are so op they force you to swap? You guys learned nothing from overwatch
@@arbalest327 The game doesn't revolve around the character "you" want to play. For characters deemed too over-powered there are ban options as you rank up. Sometimes one character switch makes the difference in winning & losing. If you just want to do whatever you feel like, that's what "quickplay" is for.
@@liahfox5840 and guess what your ideology leads to, constant counter swapping and never playing anything but the meta, aka the least counterable thing. Hero bans doesn't fix the issue, it's only a band aid fix and a way to target ban specific people doing well if people recognize them. None of what you explained is remotely good for the games health and replayability
@@arbalest327 Just as I know what your ideology leads too. A boring repetitive game, where each character is more, or less, a clone of each other. 100% all set with that! There are plenty of games that already do that. Go play those games.
Ahahhaahhahhahahahhahhhhaagaaa aaaaaa god humor mate
Support player spotted 💀
@KirbZM all rounder
cry about it
"This meta is still kinda new, so it is still getting experimented on". Why are you jumping to conclusions without any evidence? You could be biased there because it is painful to play against a 3 strategist comp. From my experience,e I have won games against a 3 strategist comp team, and lost games against 3 strategist comp (even in rank that I just started).
People were complaining about Moonknight's ult being weak, so the devs fixed it. Now Moonknight's kit and ult are powerful and he has no weakness. It seems to me that people jump to conclusions and assume Moonknight's ult needed to be buff.
No evidence? It's still new for low elo players but in higher elo most of the time they run triple support and it works very well. This isn't much of a problem in the lower elo since they have no team coordination but in higher elo its currently a problem.
Its everywhere because Timmy ppl cant play anything else but supports pressing button for insta value. Like why? Let competitors be awarded for their performance for gods sake. I thought leaving overwatch behind would make me stay away for those cringe asf braindead sustains.
Atleats i dont have to experience that crap in low elo. For now...
i dont indeed. i refuse to get boosted myself and play demanding heroes.
imo they should just make it to where if you have 3 supports, their ults charge slower, or they do less healing overall; its a simple solution
That would not work
Amm, its already in the game.
Then that'd have to apply to everyone
3 dps means lower damage
3 tanks means lower shielding
@@wahajhaider6313 man... you have no idea how online pvp balance works
@@wahajhaider6313 here's no need to block, cut, delete, or restrict. What's needed is to increase understanding and provide clearer descriptions of what already exists in the game. Right now, all those "TERRIBLY POWERFUL" abilities have at least 6-7 counterplay tactics that don't even require much coordination. The issue is that you don't realize they exist because of a lack of knowledge about other characters. For the same reason, there are disheartened complainers saying someone is too weak or useless, claiming you can't pick a particular character because they have no idea how to use them properly.
Honestly the fact dagger can EASILY take down 1-2 duelist just by placing down her bubble and using primary is crazy
She can’t but go off sis
@@TaporMnkShe literally can lmao
@@elite943able Are you swapping to cloak then fighting? If not then you are fighting some bad duelist. Dagger has very low damage. It is laughably low. You can't even kill one squishy in the time for the bubble to disappear in practice even if that squishy doesnt move. I literally just did that in practice just to see. Ya'll on some next level cope takes with this thread.
Bro frrr they're just bad
there;s been dozens of games where tanks and dps kits are broken, and the ONE game where supports have decent kits they're broken. I agree some are overtuned, but broken? nah.
supports are actually fun in this game, leave it that way,
I'm normally a duelist/damage main but I've been playing supports bc of how fun they are. My only problem with them are their defensive ultimates lasting forever
Just get better and play around it. Don't complain about you're skill issues on here.
High elo players/Pro players talks about this triple support aswell. I guess it's just a skill issue for them too 🤡
@@KirbZM I'm not talking about 3 support specifically. All you are doing in this video is complaing bub.🤡
@@cryozog8788 Ahhh the good old useless "skill issue." The dude is correct. But go off I guess.