HiFi ROSE Streamers DESTROYS all others - Best HiFi Streamer award
Вставка
- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Looking for a hifi network streamer, audiophile streamer, hifi streamer, music streamer that can play tidal, spotify, qobuz, youtube, etc all within your finger tips with a beautiful 4k display? High end audio does not have to ugly anymore !
ROSE RS150: eng.hifirose.c...
ROSE 201E: eng.hifirose.c...
acoustic panels I use: ua-acoustics.com/
acoustic curtain: amzn.to/31d1zAM
BDI Cabinet I use: bit.ly/2OJRwQQ
amzn.to/3chBuFZ
other BDI Cabinets: bit.ly/3ctxXV1
amzn.to/30bsUCH
relevant videos:
Bluenode2i vs Pecan Pi: • Affordable/Budget Hi-F...
This video is not sponsored
for more info on how we work:
nbtsmedia.com/...
have questions? Join our patreon chat: www.patreon.co...
check out our music catalog: www.patreon.co...
PATREON: / nbts
Instagram: / nbtstudio2017
Facebook: / next-best-thing-studio...
Twitter: / nbtstudio2017
#Hifi #audiophile #streamer
ROSE RS150: eng.hifirose.com/malllist/?idx=9
ROSE 201E: eng.hifirose.com/malllist/?idx=3
Three Extra things:
1. Both units comes with basic plastic remotes that functions excellent
2. Both units can be used with Wifi and I never recommend Wifi on streamers BUT... Wifi or ethernet - both works equally well on these
3. I never say this but... I feel like these are probably the only streamers you will ever need... as of this video. You will be the first to know if I find something better but kinda hard to imagine one that's better than these streamers
I am really digging the production value of these vids. Also Kstyle bbq is so good!!
I have a LeEco lex626. Aluminum body, gorilla glass; waterproof; 4 GB ram, 64 GB storage;1920 pixel display; 21 mp camera; 10-core 2.3 GHz processor; USB-C; Runs games very well. was IIRC, $114.00 3.5 years ago. Otoh, it is a LeEco - no upgrades, not even sure they are still in business! See: www.giztop.com/leeco-le-s3-x626.html
I'm going to guess why these boxes cost what they do is because audiophiles are a distinct minority. Not enough volume to justify a thin margin. What I want is for Sony to put a very good DAC and streamer into the next PlayStation - one box to control them all, one box to find them. But I think I will have to be very very patient. :)
As I said in my comment below about one week ago... these things are like toasters, and they already have a new one coming out, the RS250! (they should have a comparison table on their website so one can quickly get through the marketing crap) I just cannot keep up with these custom computers in a box. But I am looking at their site now anyways.
You prolly dont care but if you guys are bored like me during the covid times you can stream pretty much all the new movies on instaflixxer. I've been streaming with my girlfriend for the last few days =)
@Beau Israel Yup, I've been watching on instaflixxer for months myself :)
Just got my Rose 150B last week. Love it. Great sound, everything works perfectly. Only issue is Albuquerque is spelled incorrectly on the clock/weather screen. I emailed Rose and received a prompt reply that the misspelling would be corrected. I was very impressed. Would I buy it again?.? In a heart beat.. My best. Dan. Albuquerque.
Lol. Nice closing shot! Rose is advertising in every hi-fi and lifestyle mags here in France too. Strange to see such unknown brand going at a hefty price tag for their products. For music streaming purposes, going head to head price-wise against established lifestyle products such as Naim's Uniti Atom, Star or Nova... Even if specs are a little bit different... Would likely play safe and go with Naim and get a good amp "for free" on top!
Naim is probably the worst deal on the market. Sky rocket prices for what the brand offers in their products.
@@joaoroman9583 Do you other brand in mind that's better?
@@tommons7934 Lumin. Or Lindemann. Or Aurender.
IMHO, the first expensive streamer that presents a solid justification
Agree
Personally, I'm not sure. The screen seems to lag pretty bad when swiping @9:30. If that is the case it would definitely be a deal breaker for me.
Our Hungarian ladies definitely do a fantastic job of HiFi video production! Top work all round! Gratulálok Rebeka 👍 🇭🇺 🎵 And great work on another storming review Jay, you give me great inspiration for my channel across the pond! 🇬🇧
Nice review on the ROSE 201E man, very advanced use of skeuomorphism to add some realism. I don't stream; I just need a good media player that can play FLAC from an external USB SSD. Question is, is there a limit on how many albums and audio tracks the RS201 will read? There are many units that claim for example 4TB of storage etc. but cannot actually read and catalog all the folders and files on an external SDD or HDD. Most importantly, how is the customer service /support for HiFi Rose products? The 4K video not really a big deal, Firesticks have been doing that for years; not elegantly but doing nonetheless. Any way I may have to start putting away some extra bucks, the more I read about this thing the more its starting to grow on me. I have an SMSL DP5 and I'm a bit disappointed with.
What a good background of heritage, background, barbecue and good intro and overview into streamers. Thoroughly enjoyed!
How does the DAC in the RS150 compare to stand alone DACs? What does it compared or what level external DAC would one need to go to notice or justify adding a stand alone DAC to the RS150?
I borrowed a Rose rs150, was impressed with all the functions, the display, Rosetube, very easy to use, Fantastic app, but compared to my old Nad M50 piece of old junk, the Nad sounded much better, the Rose sounded cold and lifeless. I tried with both internal dac and my Audio note dac. The Rose is all show no go. Such as shame.
It doesn’t have DLNA - Rose say it has DLNA however it really doesn’t, just like they say it has Tidal but it doesn’t. It’s a Media Renderer (DMR). I can’t get it to work with my NAS and Plex
Jay would these units benefit from a higher end DAC such as an MSB Discrete?
Why did you wait so long to review this product? Just bought a second streamer which is good. But the display on this bad boy is wicked. It also uses a great dac chip.
I have just been watching this video and was just wondering is this a Roon Core? You didn't make that clear @6:18
I will definitely be buying the RS150, but I am in the US and will wait for it to become available at US retailers. Can't wait!
Is this unit as good as a VPI Prime Turntable with a really good cartridge?
UA-cam music for me, along with my Synology NAS, plus vinyl, Radio etc. PC for music playback with external DAC... lovely display gives great album artwork, full screen touch screen, live bio etc, and didn't cost an arm and a leg 😃😊
And it’s a messy ugly ah setup. Compared to a clean, sleek, all-in-one. To each their own I guess.
Help me out...please tell me the best possible setup using my Dali rubicon 2 speakers...I'm presently using marantz model 40n, Rel T7x...class B to me sounds better than class D and I need ARC...I think I need more power do get the most out of these Dali rubicon 2 ...
Jay, rockin' dat Einstein hair.
Kawaii! 😂
Ya, but do you like it as much as the Totem Tribes?
Sold out and current price is $5000(US)
Korean BBQ!! Major tasty bits!
Have you been able to use the 780 cd player?
How about best streamer at $500 or so price point? Or best RasberryPi streamer? (With DAC included? )
Hi Jay,
so glad you enjoy barbecuing!
as with audio , barbecuing equipment can enhance you barbecuing experience and results, while your weber is good, please invest in a big green egg (ceramic baroque) about $1,000 US , you will never go back so so good and they last for ever, Take Care Bill
So I got the the Rose RS250 and how in the heck to you get it to recognize a external hard drive? It has two USB ports USB 3 and another one USB Female end as you would see on printers. Just curious if a external drive can be used?
Is it formatted properly?
Now you've got me craving some Dolsot Bibimbap! 👍
This product is the best network streaming player and dac. I am always satisfied with using this product.
Try listening to smooth jazz and see how your life feel. Rock is people don't know to relax in life
Jay, there is something different about your hair? I really like your videos...
Andrea Motis top of rose Hi Fi- cool. Saw Rose a few months ago and thanks for review
huge crush on her...
MQA sucks. Bad sound, higher price. Nothing in sound quality.
Mqa sounds horrible
Lol
Ah man I need one.
Looks like the Rose apps are fresh off the press. 1k downloads....not many reviews. I'd be leary of that alone. Are you buying the 4k model for yourself?
Did you use it as a preamp?
Haha, review the iFi Zen transport! $500 with upgraded power
Lots of features for a product that could be obsolete in a short time. For those with money to burn, I guess it fills a need. For the rest of us, just too pricey with tons of alternate options available for a whole lot less.
The NAD M33 has to be superior at $5K. Better looking, has excellent amp built in, room correction, and nicer OS. Also, no app control on the Roses?
Nothing is best.
No one serious talk about MEDIA Player (video and also audio).
Naim uniti atom?
I tried to skip the beginning of this video. I thought WTF BBQ?!
How do you get "better sound quality" when the streamer is only playing with 1s and 0s. As long as the 1s and 0s are all there, the DAC does the magic to convert to analog and at that point "sound quality" is all in pre-amp, amp and speakers. $4000 is an utter rip off for a steamer, because "sound quality" only starts at the DAC. WTF can they possible do to make 1s and 0s sound better? 1s and 0s are data, not music, so you can't do shit to make data sound better at that point, other than having more data (higher resolution files).
This has a built in DAC.
Nice ending :))!
$4995 now
Makes me hungry Jay! 😊
Streamers are absolutely not necessary, all one needs is a computer and an external DAC.
A computer gets music and it's good. Then you try a Sonos with the same DAC and the software wows you. So much easier to use along with multi room. Then you move to Bluesound for even better quality. Then you try a unit from Lumin and go WOW!. Then you swing back to reality and build a RaspPi with Allo HAT. Close enough to Lumin. Add in Roon and you have a really good home set up. That is my journey and I can now add a very high quality sounding Roon endpoints for a minimal cost.
@@DCfocal my PC looks ugly and I go ewww. But when connected to my DAC, it sounds like the same wow that a streamer costing the price that Jay is reviewing. Software wise, it's the same software app as the streaming service provides because I use their app.
@@remedyforstress1277 I can only say I am enlightened how a well built streamer can sound better. I still think it is mostly 0&1’s but there is some good design improvements with the raspPi and Allo Hat. This is 1/4 the price of Jay’s recommendation. I am ok to control from a tablet and not an on screen menu.
What does this do that a Mac mini would not?
Pre amp. Nice dac. Clean power. Clean sound. Many in/out-puts, nice touchscreen, thicc metal, etc
That dog may go missing soon! - don’t like the noise or possible threat!
I’m not sure what’s happening with this channel. I’m perfectly happy to take this journey with you as you develop as a reviewer and UA-cam personality but the constant change is slightly disconcerting. I mean, this is a really long video! I just couldn’t stay engaged. Right off the bat I was confused by the absence of the Uniti Atom. I truly think Darko is the reining king of UA-cam audiophile channels. One of his strengths is in his editing. I get the feeling that you are searching for your own identity but can’t quite get out from under the heavy hitters that we all know and love. That sounds critical I know. And it is critical but not at all in the typical snotty UA-camr get on line to be mean sort of way. I really like your insights and your approach. In the music world we are told that you have to find and develop your own sound. Older musicians tell us to copy those we admire until we start to synthesize all our influences into something uniquely our own. It can be hard to step out from the shadow of those successful influences. I think there is a point in every successful musicians development where they have to completely cut the cord and turn their back on their influences, trust their instincts and look outside the narrow field of their peers and broaden their palette. I feel, when watching the last few months of your channel that you are getting too close to your sources, they are too evident to viewers. Yes emulate, rip-off even, but obscure it in a way that it appears to be your own. Often that comes from borrowing from outside your field. Emulating too much without a healthy dose obscuring can leave an audience feeling that you don’t trust your own vision and create a feeling of being lost. Too many changes can make people feel like “oh, this is the REAL him”...”no, this is the REAL him”....”No, wait a minute, THIS is the REAL him!”. Every single creator has to deal with this, it is one key to really solidifying your art. Blah blah...sorry to rant. Food for thought.
Why are all decent streamers so expensive? They basically are doing what your $100.00 phone will do, just a bit better.
1. Because phones don’t cost $100 unless you use a walkie-talkie
2. Because good parts cost money
3. Because everyone buys phones, not everyone buys streamers
@@Jayiyagi I have a $100 phone. It outperforms most of the ones on the market, and it hasn't lost a beat in 3 years.
Good parts are cheap. You can buy all the parts needed for an amp's circuit boards at retail and pay less than $100.00. Schiit makes quite nice equipment for $100.00 to $200.00. Are you going to dare to say they don't use good parts?
Not everybody buys streamers because the ones that are dedicated to the task and have a GUI cost a bloody fortune. I am asking - why? Why is no one, even now after these units being on the market for several years, not made a quality unit for a reasonable price ? Perfectly functional DACs cost under $100. A tablet with a decent screen costs less than $100. At retail. Why are people happy to spent many thousands of dollars on a box with the exact same tech inside ?
@@gingerbaker1
Genuinely curious what phone you use ?
I for one would love to see what you described for a streamer and am all for it. Unfortunately I’ve already explained why it will be unlikely and why nobody has done it yet in my 3 points.
But in the meantime get a google chrome cast and enjoy !
Nice product with an insane price tag. A high end 16" MacBook pro with Core-i9 CPU and 1 TB SSD costs only 2799$ for comparison.
Don’t barbecue your neighbours dog 🤣
Good one
You love BBQ'd dog? Is there a particular Korean sauce for that?
P.S. When you BBQ your neighbors dog can you make a video so we can see how it's done?
But is it a Roon Core?
LZT Market - Поддержка 24/7, лучшие игровые аккаунты по самым вкусным ценам, заходи!
I just bought the rose 150b. Stunning. I do not like streamer/dac combos and have been wrestling with what my digital front end will be for my much loves wilson Sabrina's. I have an lta ref2 pre and a codo continuum ts power amp with very hi end cabling. I'm now done. The speakers are now gone when I play music. I feel no flaw in the system and have finally reached the point where I now just listen to music, not my gear...
Extraordinary product. It is not the bartock or the mola mola, but is is shockingly good for the price. Easy easy easy to use and I didn't even need the manual to set it up....
The competition is coming! You should take a look at the EverSolo DMP-A6 Streamer...
No 4k video but focused on music with a screen that looks a lot like the HiFi Rose !
And the price is a bargain ;-)
NAD M33?
Oo Gosh .. Sean needs to upgrade his camera kit to a 4K Camera.. I can see the grains nice and clear on his video 😉 😀
I'm throwing some love for the Weber Kettle! 👍🤜
Bullshit! Paid and biased review! I‘ve got the RS 520 and the display is not a 11 of 10! No way! This is just a IPS display. Black is a dark blue. It depends on the angle and the always on display is bright at night. This is not a OLED display! Try to be honest!
Pi2AES has taken the crown as the best streamer in my book. I guess it can be a little tricky if you're "technologically challenged", tho. (:
No sub out or Chromecast. F#$k me. How come there is no unit with all the features. No matter the price. All I want is a preamp with nice screen, sub out and XLR output to connect to krell Amps. Chromecast and tidal support for the wife.
As an audiophile I don't see the point. I can add 10TB USB HDD to the router for $200 (the best place to share files). Add a streaming endpoint and some cheap computer as Roon Server, and spend the extra 3k for a DAC + Preamp.
Spent an hour doing audio room correction with spectrum frequency pulses. Huge difference now! Increased level of frequency that registered lower in-room response & lowered those frequencies that were dominant. Every room suffers from 'suck out' of some frequencies. How do you do a room correction?
Get an SPL meter and a graphic equalizer that will generate continuous spot pulses that you can measure in-room levels with your meter. Adjust all freqs to same SPL. The pay off is worth the effort.
Some modern equipment has room correction software and do automatically.
I always find these comparisons even more interesting. Please make more of them. THANKS, bro!
Well...I was excited until I see the price. 😵 Looks like it will be a Bluesound Node 2i and my Anedio D2 Dac,, for me.....
I still don't get the point. We spend how much on processors or av units then buy another DAC. Don't get me wrong I have one but there has to be a better solution. Sad thing is I am using an oppo as a transport then had to buy another Blu Ray to do 4k. I really don't get why these can't all be one unit with apps to download like a fire stick which I also have. Seems nuts to me.
Was hoping for a critical comparative review, this is just a sales demo of the features it has, which was quite repetitive in places. How many different ways can one say the front panel screen looks beautiful. On paper looks like a great product but there's still so few reviews anywhere on the internet. My concern is most of money might be going towards the screen and features at the expense of sound quality. Love how this company have taken a risk and made a software based lifestyle product that might end up being audiophile too. Worried about the longevity though and whether software will be supported and if it might become obsolete. Plan to take a listen at my local dealer and compare it to some similar priced audiophile products.
Hi.. Is there a pure streamer model without Dac chips? With a high quality USB Output?
A feature that the Rose streamer obviously does not offer is room correction. So I will keep my Linn Selekt which is a Pre, Streamer, DAC and does room correction. Room correction has a much bigger impact on sound as exchanging a DAC.
What you want is the NAD M33 that has Dirac Live and does streaming/DAC decoding and amplification all really really well.
I have to say this is one of the best reviews I have seen. Most people put me to sleep. I am about to sell my Blusound vault to buy this. love the display point & add my own SSD. Just wish it was a little cheaper.
Seems like a great unit that offers things I don't need/want like MQA, airplay, etc, but as it's in the price point of other higher quality streamers, and the display a killer addition, seems like it could be a solid choice.
The Wiim Ultra looks at theses and says, "you are not $3,670 better than me".
Omg Jay! I came here because I have never heard of HiFi Rose, until this past weekend ,when I was ta my local hifi shop. And now my wife and I are going out on this Friday night to try a new Korean BBQ place that just opened up here in Colo Springs! I have been eyeballing it for a couple of weeks now, thanks for the push! Now I am getting an amp/streamer and dinner! LOL
I noticed some differences on both displays. It seems de Rs 150 has a display with lower resolution. Both devices are displayed at my local dealer. Has anyone noticed that too?
Doc from Back to the Future called ☎️ .... he wants his hair back! Lol 😂
"No, no, no, no, no, this sucker's electrical, but I need a nuclear reaction to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need. Marty McFly : Doc, you don't just walk into a store and-and buy plutonium!" But you can buy white hair dye🧓
IMNSHO, it looks very cool.
Jay you should also check out the Auralic Altair G1 and G2 series streamer DACS/Pre-amps
Orchard Audio out of NJ has a Pecan Pi Ultra Streamer with a color 5" TFT touch screen display for $850. Warranty and service is in the USA too👍
except they're all sold out until later in the month
@@DustinDonohue yes, it's a very popular unit and like you mentioned, they will have more in a few weeks. Not any streamers that I can think of for $ 850 with a Touch screen, xlr and RCA outputs as well as a propietary built in DAC.
Good video. I had a rose250 but one day the screen was suddenly frozen with rose logo and i couldn't reset it. It has no physical reset button to the fabric settings... So after communiting with the company, they couldnt' find a solutuion and offered to change the mainboard... Then i have read many similar complaints about the product. Now i have a new rose250 but i am afraid of facing the same problem again.
Tips from Brazilian bbq. Don’t let any flame toast your meat
listening to metal at 12:24 (Gojira - The Chant) and at 13:45 (Obituary - Sentence Day) on an audiophile system? are you telling us that metal sounds good on audiophile gear? no way, that is not true (me listening to vinyl Borknagar, Opeth, Ayreon, etc, on Kef LS50W II with a B&W DB4S sub)
Bought a RS250. Really like it. Easy to set it up. Nice community that care‘s. Greetings from Switzerland. :-)
Destroys all others in the title but no comparisons
No Chromecast? Comes across a bit like an ad without comparisons.
There's a good reason for that!
Screens are noisy [larger adds more].
Analog & digital isolation is better.
Separating power is quieter.
That's why you don't find many "High-End" all-in-one units.
What you said would've made sense if Linn did not release their new flagship streamer last month, which features a huge screen as well.
@@GlaciaDay
Are you implying that because it's a Linn, the screen size doesn't matter in reguard to noise?
On the website, there is no mention of the screen for the Klimax, if it were indeed a "Key Feature" it most certainly would have been mentioned.
The Majik has a CRT screen, similar to a computer; sure you're aware of how much noise those generate.
@@saint6563 But the fact is the pioneer of streaming music and probably the most high end companies that make a streamer has a huge screen on their flagship product. Same goes for Boulder, METRONOME, etc.. Also, as you mentioned Majik has a CRT screen. This conversation has turned out to be pointless for both of us as You have no idea what you were talking about and no idea what a CRT screen is.
@@GlaciaDay
hahaha
How can you say I don't know about something I know about?
Sold CRT displays last Century & am knowledgeable on many other display technology.
Just because companies are using large displays, doesn't prove they don't add noise.
Duh.
The reason you're bailing on this discussion is because you have no facts to back up your lame assurions.
'Well this company does it' doesn't cut it!
Bye.
@@saint6563 CRT? Really? A modern streamer has a Cathode Ray Tube screen? Well, that is a shocker.
"I love BBQing... and there's my neighbours' dog..." you rock! :-)))) Jokes aside, I love kimchi and BBQ! Tried authentic stuff at Suwon-si ;-)
And the video with fire and sparkles is really cool!
Any chance you will review Michi X3 ?
Wow, it looks like the future has arrived with that unit!
That NEW Cambridge Evo 75 and 150 steamer might be up here with these Rose models
They're just as sexy, intuitive and feature rich.
The cambridge is more competition to NAD M10 but I feel the rose hifi is a different breed altogether ... I don't know of any streamer which can play you tube ad free and project the video at 4k to your display .. this stuff is sick ..
Nice looking units but they don't make a version without built in amp. A dealbreaker for people who wish to feed a power amp. Even the 150 would have a snowflakes chance of driving my Magnepans. Maybe they'll make a un amped version in the future but by that time I would have the Rose in my rack. Plus only the Rose has the 4k streaming. Not important to all, but it is to me.
The 150 is an unamped version. Similarly they have just introduced 250 which is an unamped version of 201 .. check their website
@@ajaygeorge79 I meant the Cambridge Evo 150 which has an integrated amp. The Rose 150 is the one I'll hopefully be getting soon.
4000$ 😂😂😂 only mentaly sick people would pay that amount for a streamer imo
Wow wow wow... $4000 too expensive? That is relative... I'm currently in the market for a streamer, DAC and preamp to go in front of my Sanders Magtech and 1.7 Maggies. Months of online research and headaches has led me to a solution that costs $10,000 more ( Not counting the extra cost of a new Mac ) and without the 4k streaming capabilities. This is the first streamer that actually doesn't look like plastic crap worth $50. SOLD!!!!. Currently trying to figure out how to send you 500 'thumbs up' Hitting SUBSCRIBE...... Now...
these are now up to $5K !!
LOVE the change up ... Yes man .. get outside =) ... will you do reviews of outdoor speaker systems? .. what makes them different?
Bulgogi-love it! Did you take Darko's jacket?
Also up setting that at this price point it doesn’t even have a trigger, really, no trigger 😏
I love Korean BBQ!
Very nice review! I have Rose rs 150 and is amazing.
Alex from Italy
Are you using a DAC and Preamp with it?
@@beslemeto no i use only amp with it
Nice video production! 👍🙃
So let me get this straight...you mean this device is not a ROON core? 😝
The 150B is almost 7 thousand dollars in Canada now.
Hi,
Thanks for the great review.
Appears to be a contender for the Mytek Brooklyn Bridge II, which has a roon core. I'm waiting for its release and to read some reviews. Possibly you would consider reviewing it? Due for shipping in July 2021 and retailing for about $3500 USD, so in a similar price bracket to the Rose.
Cheers
I knew it! You’re Canadian!
Always turns out that my favourite youtubers are Canadians
Obituary! I would've never guessed