All about the DiveTalk GO Rebreather! | BLUE WORLD EXTRA
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Jonathan tells you everything you want to know about the new DiveTalk Go rebreather!
You can check out pricing on the website:
divetalkgo.com/
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Thanks for a great video Jonathan! Sorry we won't see you at this year's meetup. Last year I tried the KISS Spirit in the pool and really decided that rebreathers aren't for me. The cost, time commitment and difficulty of traveling with them (we're warm water recreational divers who pretty much always get on a plane for dive trips) and lack of support at shops in remote places made it all seem not worth it. However, I do LOVE the idea of quieter diving and the ability to do longer recreational dives. I'm a heavy breather on OC, I typically dive 100's when they're available so I can stay down as long as my friends (and yes, I'm working on it, I'm 102 dives in since the second time I got certified (didn't keep up with my old logs from the 80's and 90's) but I'm still usually one of the first folks that needs to end a dive on an 80 which is incredibly frustrating). I'm going to give it a try in the pool with my regular gear and see if the "never" might move to a "maybe". So yeah, I absolutely think there is a market for this and I'm firmly a member of that market. Even if other rebreathers out there CAN be configured this way, the path to training and the cost and the expectation that I would need to do serious technical training beyond what is needed just for the CCR (because those CCRs are designed for deco and mixed gas and things like serious depth and cave diving, none of which I want to do) is a huge barrier. Woody and Gus are human beings, not perfect of course but they work very hard to be transparent. Mike Young knows what he's doing and his willingness to partner with them says a lot.
Rebreathers are not for everyone and I agree that traveling with one can be challenging because of the need to get O2 and sorb. There are more and more CCR "clubs" (for lack of a better word) that organize CCR trips, such as DiveTalk, where they make sure rebreather support is included.
That’s a good looking rig, thanks for making a video on it!
Nice to see you guys together again. Great explanation on the go. Keep the videos coming!
After recently being certified on the unit, I can agree that the Dive Talk GO is an absolute joy to dive! As Jonathan mentioned, it really does breathe phenomenally and setup/donning is super easy. My GO is coming along just about everywhere with me now! Highly recommend you try it out if you're curious about the unit.
Congrats!! Who was your instructor, who who? 🦉
@@Navy1977 Doug Ebersole!
@@Garrett__H Doug is on my short bucket list of instructors, for any kind of training, along with Edd and Mehdi. Big congrats!!
@@Navy1977 Solid bucket list. I can't say enough good things about training with Doug. Fantastic experience.
@@Garrett__HCan't go wrong!!
I honestly think that this is a very good effort to introduce a recreational CCR into the market. I am personally certified on a Poseidon seven CCR and I ONLY do recreational dive of it. And I have to say that I will never go back to OC from now on. I don’t see any problem that People who only does OC dives and want to get into CCR and only for recreational purposes.
That's a beautiful CCR. I even like the handle and stand, well, except for the price. 😔😳🤭🤦The configuration I'd want is only $16K USD. 🤭🤷🤦👍👌🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
Yikes
Really interesting video. Cool looking rig.
Maybe one day this will be my first rebreather :)
I would love to try it but as Woody kindly wrote to me Denmark is not in the loop yet, for filming it has to be a wow!! No where near the disturbance when getting close to marine life compared to open circuit. Fantastic rebreather, absolutely crazy about it.
Great explanation. I want one. Makes perfect sense.
Very interesting. Thanks.
Wow! I love it! I want one! Great video!
Great video Birdman!
Can't wait to add this to my Florida Man rig which consists of dual back tanks, dual sidemount tanks and four regulators. Woo-hoo!! Of course, since I normally keep my PBR hydration bottle, which I converted from a pony bottle into a pony keg, (get it?), on my chest, I'll have to figure out something else, or I could just do what Bubba does and use an old Foley bag. 🤣😁👍😉👌🤙🤙🤙All funnin aside, thanks for the great demonstration and informative video. The GO looks like it's a go.
So well explained
Thanks!
Pretty cool.
Love all of the blue on your rig ❤
I heard about this when training with Edd. It was so cool to see the prototypes and now the full product! I hope I can test dive one at some point
What training did you do with Edd?
@@Navy1977 overhead sidemount and fundamentals. I’ll be going back for cavern and intro cave soon I hope!
@@williammccarthy8533Awesome!! Training with him is on my bucket list!!
Edd is the man. He will push you. He will make you nervous. You will screw up. But you will learn and you will have a C-card that really means something.
Used it. Its perfect and amazing. Buy 2.
JB marketing aside, i love your videos, energy, and narration :)
What's the price of the unit? can it be purchased in Europe and where could you get certified in Europe?
Hi Jonathan, I know you mentioned near the end of the video of using offboard diluent with a low pressure inflator hose. Would this strategy have to change for deeper more demanding dives and be converted to the QC6 connector? Thanks you for your thoughts!
I wouldn't think so. It's not like you are breathing through the connection. It's just for adding dill.
Blue 🌎!!!!!!!❤
I love 💙🌍!!!
Being a mechanic over tightening will damage the threads, or possibly break the attaching fitting. Any damage may let the hose be released.
it is a design fault. Young is an amazing designer but this part is better resolved in other systems (personally love Triton clips)
Lots of opinions in these comments... While it is not designed for technical diving it is still capable and has most of the same positive attributes as any rebreather and apparently a much lower price. The closest thing to it would be the Revo/Mares Horizon SCR which is much more expensive, a little more complex and less capable. Only advantage the Horizon has is not needing O2 (also a disadvantage). I'm in one of the few places the world where the Horizon makes any sense and I still haven't bothered.
If you are looking to go down the technical diving or exploration path this wouldn't be a good investment IMO. Just go for the unit you need in the long term and do technical OC in the meantime. If you already have a rebreather and some spare cash this might also make sense as it's cheaper to run on recreational dives.
Just pick the unit that works for your diving, you can find training for, is reliable and servicable, has a local community that you can team up with and learn from, you can afford... I think once you start taking a hollistic look at the unit it starts making more sense. If being smaller than most others, being cheaper in initial cost and being configured for recreational (plus) diving is not appealing then you simply need a different unit. I'd imagine if you're a reef diver like the majority of the recreational (and photography) market then this thing is the bees knees.
You need to run your dives slightly differently to get an advantage but many half-decent operators can accommodate a sensible plan. Many will allow you to stay down during the surface interval where recreational divers change cylinders. One long dive is better than two short ones. You'll need a buddy as few operators allow solo diving but this could possibly be someone on a twinset/sidemount with Nitrox to get more bottom time.
I think a lot of people seem to be missing the point. Everyone seems to be thinking that this is a "less expensive rebreather" for people to dip their toe into rebreathers, but ultimately, they would want something "better". I bought a Go because my sidewinder (theoretically a more "capable" rebreather) is overkill for many of the things I want a rebreather for. It's too big, too much of a pain on a boat, too cumbersome. The Go is small and easy and perfect for SOME kinds of diving. Different rebreathers are good for different things. Do you have one suit? Or do you have a 3mm for tropical water and a drysuit for cold water, and maybe something in between? There is no "one suit fits all." Same with rebreathers. If you are getting a rebreather for cave diving, this is clearly not the right unit. If you are a photographer looking to dive on charter boats and get good pictures of fish, a ReVo or a sidewinder or a JJ is probably not the best choice.
My question is what is the advantage of the added expense of using this unit recreationally? The yearly cost of cell replacement plus the cost of sorb only to do a dive that you said could be done on an AL80. That's even after the cost of the unit and training. I'm not putting the unit down as I have never used one or even seen one but I am a CCR diver and it comes down to using the right tool for the job. My CCR gives me added time underwater in an overhead to not only see more but also adds a safety margin in case there are problems. Just curious and you did a great job in your video.
The main benefit for me is a longer dive and no bubbles. If you don't see a benefit in the unit for you, then it's not something that you need.
Thank's for this video. As experienced JJ diver, I've 2 main remarks. The 3 cells coaxial wires seems to be very cheap and fragile in a so wet environment. Lots of APD divers are facing to problems with water that path through the electronic head via the wires by capillary action.
The second remark is related to the lack of counter lungs protection. A hole in it could easily be made by simple friction against a pointed or sharp object.
Do you know the cost of this non CE CCR ?
The flip side of the exposed counterlungs is compactness and ease of breathing. And yeah, you could puncture one if you were not careful. And what would you do? Bail out, fix or replace the counterlung.
Great review, is there a web site and pricing on these rebreathers?
I just texted Gus and Woody to ask. They are finalizing the website now. www.divetalkgo.com. It will be ready to accept orders next week. If you are curious before then, send an email to info@divetalkscuba.com and Woody will help you out.
This. Would be a sick little deco stage
Yes it would.
I might have missed it, does anyone know the rated stack time?
It's rated for 3 hours. It's a 4 pound scrubber, so that is pretty conservative. I should have mentioned that.
What is the limitation to bring it for more "tech" dives? Looks quite similar to the Triton for example which is rated CE to 100meter out of the box. Maybe just it was not tested to that? But it should not be a problem
Maybe Gus and Woody can answer this one!
Is this beauty already on the market? Can't find it anywhere ...
Yeah, 8 is more like it. I spend a lot of time as a cameraman just sitting around and most people don't dive like that.
Should be prorate compensated.
It looks like a nice unit but considering that the new KISS Sidewinder 2 will have the ability to be used in a sidemount and back mounted configurations for boat and shore diving I would hold off on buying this rebreather.
The SW 1 and Fathom Gemini can already be used backmount. I've seen a couple dudes that do it. You just put the cans between the BP and wing, running the CL there too.
@@Teampegleg I run my SW1 like that on a Scuba Pro Hydros, little heavy but works great.
Whats the price tag?
You will be able to configure one on the website shortly: divetalkgo.com/
How much does this cost and who teaches it?
I'll let Gus and Woody chime in on cost. Under $4K They are doing their own certification agency.
12 hours from a 3ltr o2 cylinder is a bit of a push
That's true. As a cameraman I sit around a lot and O2 goes a long way. Most people don't dive like that. 8 hours is more like it for a 3 liter.
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Seems just like a Choptima, but MCCR.
There are a lot of similarities, yes.
I think my first rebreather will be the go!
The future of open water diving?
People can’t hold a piece of paper up the right side to show the number on it during jury duty. Do you think these people are going to remember to monitor their partial pressure?
@@rrg019000 not that I've ever been on dury duty but i get your point.
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Finished my open water certification dives today. Rest assured im gonna dive like hell to make my way up to this thing. Thankfully, by the time i get to it, any remaining kinks will have been worked out :). But this is Mike Young we're talking about, so i imagine there wont be too many teething problems.
@@Navy1977 True - but I do need a pretty hefty chunk of change for the unit and training (I'm thinking around 5k USD all in?). Gonna be a while before I have that sort of cash to throw around.
@@MegaFPVFlyer Totally understand that. Budgets and discretionary spending are important considerations for anyone, me included.
Don’t rush to get yourself ccr certified. The “Go” is just as deadly as any other unit even if it’s marketed as a recreational rebreather. Take your time, enjoy the learning process, and get yourself a rebreather after a good amount of time diving and learning.
A bit unfortunate that in reality this unit, while "affordable" (around 3.5k I've heard) is quite weak, and actually will cost more like 4.8k since electronics are not included with the price (a sidewinder is only about 5.8k WITH a display included for comparison). Additionally, its biggest "competition" on paper would be other CM rebreathers like the M3S Triton or the Chop but in reality, this unit is just so much weaker its more comparable to a Mares Horizon in performance (which to be fair "recreational" diving is the intended use of this).
I do hope it is successful, and if I had 5-6k just laying around I'd bite for a little unit like this for simpler dives (although there are likely enough people to know the Dive Talk channel to make it at least sell a bit for brand name if nothing else anyways), but I would not be too surprised if it meets a similar fate to all the other "recreational" rebreathers.
A Mares horizon is an SCR, not really in the same category. That thing is huge too.
@@BlueWorldplus yes but they both fill a similar niche of more recreational focused diving. Its hard to imagine this unit doing very much different than an SCR dive profile wise, which is why I worry about the GO's successfulness as recreational rebreathers don't have a very good track record
I’m not a rebreather diver but isn’t it a bit dangerous to do a dive past your scrubber time rating and just wait to see if you start to feel the effect of increased CO2? What if you don’t notice bc you are focused on your camera and the sharks? What if that happens while the DM is on the boat swapping tanks?
Edit: I’m saying intentionally diving past your scrubber rating is dangerous, not that diving a rebreather is a dangerous way to dive
Edit 2: 12:31 is the story I’m referring to
Great question!! The scrubber time, with a safety factor, is part of the dive planning. If this is a 2.5 hour scrubber, I'd comfortably dive it to 2 hours, keeping in mind you have your open circuit as a bailout.
After purchasing this or any rebreather you have to take a certification class and pass to receive a complete and functional unit. You will be trained in the theory and practice of safe operation including allowable stack time and signs and symptoms of hypoxia and hypercapnia. We do not dive a rebreather until the sorb is completely spent, we use it with a substantial amount of safety factor in the “stack time” tracked on our computers. If you get trained, and dive within your training limits you will be as safe as you can be underwater.
@@Navy1977exactly what I would think - in the video though Jonathan said he continued to dive it past the rated scrubber time and just “watched out for CO2 headaches or other symptoms of increased CO2 because bailout is available”. This seems like a dangerous way to dive a rebreather to me instead of planning to end the dive at the end of your scrubber time -factor of safety
Edit: not implying that diving a rebreather itself is dangerous (I plan on getting one + training) but that diving past the scrubber time is
@@Navy1977 12:30 is where he talks about it it was on a shark dive filming
Yes. It’s insane he even said that.
You don’t want to flood this rebreather
You don't want to flood any rebreather.
Solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Or for the dozen CCR divers who just cannot fathom the thought of going back to OC for rec dives
I guess I'm one of those dozen because for me it was a perfect solution for a problem that most certainly did exist.
Sounds alot like a knock-off of the Triton. mCCR = mechanical (not manual). The orifice is a mechanical method. All of them can be "manual"
Another nice rig at twice the price of the GO.
@@Navy1977 the triton is far more capable though (its not "recreational" focused), while still being more compact than the Go. Additionally, the price of the Go is a bit deceptive, as it does not include any electronics so I would expect it to actually cost more like 4800usd (assuming it ends up at 3500 for the unit + a single petrol display and before training) which is only 1k less than just getting a sidewinder or any other kiss rebreather and ~2.5k less than the triton or a chest mount Optima (which is eccr and similarly far more capable than this thing).
I keep seeing comments like "yeah, but for just a little more you could get a sidewinder..." as if everyone wants a sidewinder and they would be somehow settling for a Go because of price. If you want a sidewinder, and the sidewinder is the right rebreather for the diving you want to be doing, should should absolutely get a sidewinder! The Go is a rebreather with a purpose and that purpose is different from a sidewinder.
It's like someone who is in the market for a pickup truck and their friend says, yeah, but for just a little more you can get a CORVETTE!! Yeah, but Corvettes don't haul loads of bricks...so they are not cross-shopped often!!
I struggle to see a niche market for this device. Recreational diving is done with recreational gear, as soon as you go near a rebreather you need technical training just to use it. Most rec divers don't care about 30 extra minutes, just do another dive from the boat after a snack. Never go near deco anyway. Plus, there are many reasons why a recreational diver would not need this device that extends beyond rebreather advantages. I.e. within an hour rec divers want to pee, get cold, want a beer, get bored... Not to mention if the DM is not using this then you are limited by his/her air anyway in typical rec dive charter situations.
From the tec diver perspective, this is probably great because you are familiar with the setup and would love to have a smaller rebreather device. However, they probably already spent an arm and a leg on another rebreather and could just end up using that instead of paying a lot of money for a new device that is marginally smaller and having to pay for additional training.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is a very cool innovative device, but I think the target market is not recreational divers. Unless it is universally adapted, people will stick to what is universally taught and used (OC), especially at dive centers (just thinking of traveling and needing an o-ring and stuff like that). What I think they should do is rebrand the device as a technical rebreather bailout. That way you dive with your normal rebreather and remove the cumbersome tanks for one of these strapped to your chest. I'd like that!
Completely agree. Spend your 4000 on good gear.
I don't think the unit is targeted at true recreational divers. By definition if you are buying a rebreather you are probably not a recreational diver. So calling this a recreational rebreather is probably a misleading term. But it's not targeted at true technical divers who are trying to do things that are just not possible on open circuit. So it's not a "technical" rebreather. We need a better word to describe a rebreather not targeted at the hard core tech market.
@@BlueWorldplusIt's obviously a recretech rebreather. 🤔🙃🤭🤷🤦😉👍👌😎🤙🤙🤙
A rebreather with all the complexities and risks that come with a CCR for recreational divers who have not been properly trained for hypercapnia, hypoxia, and so on…will a recreational wall diver be able to handle the PO2 spike if they are caught on a downward current? This unit will kill recreational divers who watch UA-cam.
Have you seen the standards and curriculum for the GO CCR?
I understand the skepticism on this unit and the guys on Divetalk have proclaimed they have throughly tested it and have made their diving agency and course curriculum for this unit and instructors who specialize in ccr to train people on this unit.
Now will it be reputable, safe and professional in standards? That remains to be seen.
@@ashtonderojas821 Completely agree and that's one of the risks going with a brand new company and a brand new product. Designed and built by Mike Young of KISS, I'm very confident it'll be a safe success. Diving this after being trained on it by folks like Edd, Mehdi or Doug, it would not be of any great concern to me, especially in a recreational, or even open water technical environment, where my normal gear configuration provides redundancy in both functions and safety. As they say, good to GO.
What makes you think that a diver would not receive CCR training for this unit? Because this unit is intended for recreational diving limits instead of technical diving limits does not indicate a lack of training requirements.
@@blakepetersdiving Great point and I believe you have to be trained or you can't buy it from them. Like the KISS training model.
There are, of course, other front mount rebreathers and Sidemount rebreathers. The video insinuates that the front mount Go is unique. it's not.
Also, you can configure a rebreather with off-board diluent/bail-out gas.
Making rebreather diving "easy" without a clear understanding of how this all really works will cause a problem sooner or later.
Johnathan did a good job of pointing out that most people think of diving gear going on your back, but that this is not a new or unique concept for a rebreather. The unit is simplified to the greatest extent possible while still having all the basic features any CCR would have, making it a great option for people looking for something with low complexity. Everyone who purchases one of these is required to take thorough training and to must pass and achieve their certification to receive the unit. Because the unit is simple does not negate the training requirement.
@@blakepetersdivingOnce again, you are spot on and make great points. The price is very attractive too, especially for the more casual diver.
I had the benefit of putting quite a few hours in along side the prototypes back when this was just one of Mike’s “toys”, and everyone that tried it loved it. I’m glad this found it’s way to the market, and I hope it opens up CCR to a much larger crowd. I look forward to getting my own.
I'm sorry. It has to be said that nothing about this is novel outside of the low price point. USN SEALs have been using small form factor CM rebreather forever. I think dive rite's CM rebreather has been around for over a decade. There are others but those are the first two little nuggets that came to mind.
I'm pretty sure this video is meant for people who aren't already familiar with this kind of gear configuration, rather than trying to claim it's never been done before. Could be wrong.
Exactly why I'm putting it out there 😊 @@MegaFPVFlyer
@@Navy1977it's also time tested, refined and proven. It's also perfectly capable of tech diving on heliox to 100m. Regardless, it was just one example. I'm fully aware of the GO'sb very low price point as stated in my original post.
@@addohm All solid points. I think the GO price will be a major draw for a lot of more casual divers.
@@Navy1977 In a decade you can trust Lamar, or whoever he passed the company to, to stand by their units, if the DT boys gets bored and stop paying for the rights, who is gong to stand behind the DT Go? Because it doesn't seem like the new owners of KISS wants this unit.