I think it was either 2 or 3. Possibly 2 but more likely 3. In the book of 5 rings Musashi goes into pretty good details about looking for the environmental advantage at every opportunity...i think he even referenced keeping the sun at your back and in their face to handicap them so it really isn't far fetched to believe 2 actually happened. But ppl in power over there are cutthroat and take no chances of being usurped by a powerful subordinate. Its just ultra strange that a fight of this level wouldn't be documented until 150ish years later. That makes absolutely no sense. As soon as i saw Record of Ragnorok it reminded me that theres more to this story than we'll ever know.
He was also portrayed very well in Record of Ragnorak, the narrator explains his history when he became a very great swordsman and how he trains. I adapt his lifestyle in mine because every time he was defeated he gets reforged into a stronger swordsman, which is very inspirational to me.
In some books it is written that Kojiros sword was made in Yamato and was a O-Dashi. Shortened for obi wearing but still long at over 70cm nagasa. But who knows ? To my mind Musashi had already made his bokken before he went ot sea.
Musashi Zen trained and quit using fatal techniques afterwards,doubt he would have hired out as an assassin,not honorable.He was also a great artist and philosopher.
Well, really think about it. If he DID assassinate him, i think the guilt would eventually make him make a vow like that. Same as if he cheated. No one will ever know. But what i do know is #1 is the fishiest of them all yet its the accepted theory
I think Musashi deliberately showed up late to take advantage of the sun, and used a wooden sword to disrespect and enrage Kojiro. Musashi won the mind game because he knew his chances were even at best based on skill alone. Most of the theories I have seen was that Musashi left Kojiro alive at the end of the duel, but someone else, perhaps Musashi's followers came after and finished the job. It's one of those things where I'd pay good money to be a fly on the wall to see how it really went down.
I liked your video, Mushu! I think that theory #3 is mostly probable. It was the common way to end in those time. Their duel reminded me on a legendary chess-games that Alekhine and Capablanca had in their times. In both categories, that was the clash of Titans! Thank you for this story and upload! :) I liked the ending, as well, because of the irony :))) ;)) Many great vidoes in the future, Mu! Greetings and blessings! :))) DUŠAN
Musashi's legend has become romanticized over time, but back in those days the political climate was highly treacherous and a Samurai would have to follow all kinds of despicable orders from their lords, so it wouldn't surprise me if they did Kojiro-san dirty.
Except that you are mistaken samurai who was a servent with ronin who were more like hired mercenaries. But Musashi were neither. He was a swordfighter and ocasionaly did work for some daimio. Nothing in his biography suggest working as a hit man. That was not his first duel, but it was his last and by that time he had beaten all the greats. He was wildly unconventional and that is why this 400 years butthurts claims still lives Even the guy presenting the video: "three hours late!" Hahahaha You are going to kill or be killed and expect "good maners" Musashi is such a gift for these world
The account of this duel I read was that Musashi used a wooden sword made of an oar. So it is absolutely possible that his sword was longer. Musashi had by then survived many duels and was an expert swordsman. Did he use the sun to his advantage if possible. Based on his teachings in the book of the "Five Rings" absolutely. I believe that the second account of the duel is probably close to actual event.
Those guys followed the Bushi code. 'Dirty fighting' wasn't a thing. You used any advantage. You train your techniques every day and this trained your mind. If Kojiro had simply been assassinated, this would have been faithfully recorded as in many other cases. Cruelty was normal, lying about it afterwards was not. They say that Musashi carved his weapon from an oar of the boat. He'd set off unarmed (without katana). Id be more prepared to believe that he'd made a makeshift weapon with say.... a tanto attached like a spear tip. This would provide him with a lighter (faster) weapon and longer range than even Kojiro's sword. He'd have expected to fight swords and been confronted with something unknown - a long stabbing weapon (and not a cutting weapon). Failure to be able to judge distance would be a lethal disadvantage in that case. And thats kindof what the old sources describe.
Having waited for a long time, Sasaki demanded to Hosokawa that he be declared winner by default. But Hosokawa refused, insisted that Sasaki wait, and so he waited and he waited: mixed emotions in him: rage at Musashi's disrespect for him, frustrated demand to claim the win, elation at Musashi's supposed cowardice, and so on. So by the time Musashi arrived, Sasaki already exhausted himself by his own mental imbalances. Hosokawa actually planned to kill both Musashi and Sasaki. Whoever survived this fight would be killed in turn. Musashi saw through the deceit, and lured Sasaki to pursue him to shore where Musashi's boat awaited him. Musashi slew Sasaki, and escaped before Hosokawa's men could surround and kill Musashi. Out of spite, Hosokawa's people renamed the island Ganryujima, in honor of Sasaki instead of Musashi. The game was totally rigged. Still Musashi achieved his mission and escaped successfully. While Sasaki fell to both Hosokawa's and Musashi's trap, hook, line and sinker. Had this been absolutely fair fight, Sasaki's monstrous skill would probably have won.
@@glowiever : it's not my theory. It's what my Sensei from Japan told me about this story. As for: why Hosokawa wanted to kill both Musashi and Sasaki? Well, Sensei said that's what government people did. Politician types often have little martial ability of their own, but they're wary of the samurais who does have real martial ability and following. They're thus always looking for an excuse to weaken or get rid of them. For many years they (the Hosokawa in this case) actually wanted to 'get rid of' Sasaki but could not find anyone able, so they're 'feeling forced' to sign Sasaki on as their retainer. But at the same time, they promote Sasaki's notoriety in attempt to goad both Sasaki and Musashi into a battle that would destroy each other. Musashi avoided this. But Sasaki always the egotistical one, actually sough to prove he's better than Musashi. In the end Musashi felt he had to deal with both Sasaki and Hosokawa. This climax in the duel of Ganryujima.
Sasaki had a nodachi. Musashi didn't think he could win against him with a regular katana so on the boat ride to the island he carved up a boat oar about the size of Sasaki's nodachi and used it in stead. Not sure how that is cheating. Musashi used so many tricks and unorthodox battle strategies that it would make Sun Tzu and Machiavelli blush. Lol
The second theory is the most likely, Musashi had already used the strategy of being late in confrontations on other occasions and was the creator of the two swords technique because he knew how to adapt to the situation and create new combat conditions. That he arrived late and fought with a wooden sword bigger than Kojiro's is very likely, and still, this is the most known and accepted.
Kojiro's friends' story will be the one that will be most skewed in his favour. And they say that he died fighting a duel but make excuses for him. The excuses are quite petty, therefore, its most likely that the duel happened and he lost fair and square.
Knowing musashis reputation then he may have really won, the crowds were probably so opposite, but if all of these scenarios were to be made, then everyone must’ve been big fans of both warriors, the loss of either would have still sparked outrage.
I talk to some japanese pepz that they believe the 3rd story more plausible but the story goes. Theory support that they all know Musashi is a very good military strategist. He was not alone when he attack him. When kojiro is weakand injured he made the final blow. Mushashi also never takes a bath maybe once a week or month is what Ive heard. Because it is a sign of manliness or something. And he never uses 2 swords that much. He uses uf ut is just necessary to beat an opponent on his advantage.
In a life & death situation, d objective is to win. I believe in theory #2, if musashi uses a longer sword against kojiro and kojiro is a well trained samurai. I don't think there is any cheating or problem in that. D rule is, Life or Death? BE PREPARED 🤨
No mention of an oar as a weapon. Cheating to use a longer weapon? So Sasaki cheated all along? Theory three isn’t even contemporary, it’s conjecture by people that weren’t involved except to muddy the waters
The lord who set up the fight in the first place, who picked the isolated location, is also good friends with Musashi, and he directly benefitted from kojiro's death, gotta admit that's a little suspicious
Benefited how? He had insurance on Sasaki? Musashi took Sasaki’s job as instructor. Does anyone doubt the fight was one on one? Thought it was Hosokawas retainer, an admirer of Musashis, who set up the duel
Lol.... There is no cheating. That's ludicrous. If Musashi waited 3 hours and lengthened his sword, It was a combat strategy that worked. Why is it cheating for Musashi to have a long sword but not for Kojiro to have already had a long sword? That sounds like a story made up by butthurt Kojiro fan boys. But there's a different take on it. Maybe Musashi did show up late, psychologically defeating Kojiro before the duel and, the tactically superior Musashi making sure Kojiro was facing the sun, defeated Kojiro. Other troops may have been there to kill Kojiro if he had defeated Musashi, but Since Musashi lived, we have to assume the other troops weren't needed and Musashi just won.... With a strategy that outsmarted his opponent.
History is written by the winners... Who knows what happened... He showed up late... Probably from the direction of the sun.. he could have just shot kojiro with an arrow from his boat... Got out and beat him to death with his boat oar.... He was tricky... And then after realizing HE didn't fight fair and that could happen to him... Swears off all duels cuz it mind f*cked him
So did you read the Book? Miyamoto Musashi (translated by Yoshikawa) You flashed a photo of the cover in your video. You should read the whole entire book. Then you might have more to say on the subject. (The same story was published as a 6 Volume Set in Paperback.) I have read both. It was very much worth the time.
The book is great but very historically inaccurate. As far as I remember, it ends around the time Musashi's actual deeds were only beginning, places the duel much earlier than it happened, and fabricates drama between the two beforehand in order to have them have a rivalry that gets solved by the duel at the end.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 That is the whole point. Both Miyamoto Musashi and Sasaki Kojiiro are real historical persons with elaborately fabricated histories in Japanese Folklore.
there is actually something that might support the third theory acording to the Numata kaki, written by the keeper of the castle where Musashi stayed at the time of his famous duel on Ganryū Island Following the duel Kojirô regained consciousness, yet Musashi’s deshi ganged in on him and killed him. the only reason I would see for musashi students to kill sasaki after the duel is already over is if there was a hit on sasaki
In a monument created by Musashi’s adoptive son, it states that Musashi arrived on time for the duel and declared a wooden sword as his weapon before arrival. I’d accept this as the closest truth to what happened on an island. Him showing up late or it being an assassination is plausible, but it seems to me that Kojiro was an unfortunate victim to Musashi’s legendary duels.
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I heard a rumor that Sasaki Kojiro killed a god in the afterlife
Alope Amphitrite Demeter
I heard that god was Poseidon..
Likely story
I heard he never stopped training even in heaven
I hear that his favorite weapon was actually a Valkyrie who morphed into a blade
I think it was either 2 or 3. Possibly 2 but more likely 3. In the book of 5 rings Musashi goes into pretty good details about looking for the environmental advantage at every opportunity...i think he even referenced keeping the sun at your back and in their face to handicap them so it really isn't far fetched to believe 2 actually happened.
But ppl in power over there are cutthroat and take no chances of being usurped by a powerful subordinate.
Its just ultra strange that a fight of this level wouldn't be documented until 150ish years later. That makes absolutely no sense.
As soon as i saw Record of Ragnorok it reminded me that theres more to this story than we'll ever know.
He was also portrayed very well in Record of Ragnorak, the narrator explains his history when he became a very great swordsman and how he trains. I adapt his lifestyle in mine because every time he was defeated he gets reforged into a stronger swordsman, which is very inspirational to me.
In some books it is written that Kojiros sword was made in Yamato and was a O-Dashi. Shortened for obi wearing but still long at over 70cm nagasa. But who knows ? To my mind Musashi had already made his bokken before he went ot sea.
That yamato belongs to Vergil
Musashi Zen trained and quit using fatal techniques afterwards,doubt he would have hired out as an assassin,not honorable.He was also a great artist and philosopher.
Well, really think about it. If he DID assassinate him, i think the guilt would eventually make him make a vow like that. Same as if he cheated.
No one will ever know. But what i do know is #1 is the fishiest of them all yet its the accepted theory
I heard Musashi killed him with a sharpened boat paddle
Yes! That's another theory related to him cheating, in that version it was supposed to be a non-lethal duel? Could've been!
@@mushusstories6430 non lethal duel with real sword? Your theory is totally Nonsense!
@@mecool9023 the non-lethal was a duel with wooden poles/oars
@@mushusstories6430 but kojiro used real sword and it’s very long. How do it supposed to be a non lethal duel??
That's the account that is generally accepted I don't know where the other stuff originates.
I think Musashi deliberately showed up late to take advantage of the sun, and used a wooden sword to disrespect and enrage Kojiro. Musashi won the mind game because he knew his chances were even at best based on skill alone. Most of the theories I have seen was that Musashi left Kojiro alive at the end of the duel, but someone else, perhaps Musashi's followers came after and finished the job. It's one of those things where I'd pay good money to be a fly on the wall to see how it really went down.
He also won in the gulag and came back to life for a 1v1 match with god of the underworld, Hades. Dude was lit
You mean Poseidon
I’ll hold on to the Records of Ragnarok theory and Sasaki becomes Number One Under the Sun
Kojiro’s actual blade is buried with my best friends father. You put it together.
I liked your video, Mushu! I think that theory #3 is mostly probable. It was the common way to end in those time. Their duel reminded me on a legendary chess-games that Alekhine and Capablanca had in their times. In both categories, that was the clash of Titans! Thank you for this story and upload! :) I liked the ending, as well, because of the irony :))) ;)) Many great vidoes in the future, Mu! Greetings and blessings! :))) DUŠAN
They invited him to the island for an ambush. It took both strikes you mentioned after, when he was exhausted, too kill him. Cause he was a beast.
I subscribed for the Ramen sliceing....👍 keep up the goodwork mate....
Greetings from Germany ilove the old japanese ERA.
Musashi's legend has become romanticized over time, but back in those days the political climate was highly treacherous and a Samurai would have to follow all kinds of despicable orders from their lords, so it wouldn't surprise me if they did Kojiro-san dirty.
Except that you are mistaken samurai who was a servent with ronin who were more like hired mercenaries.
But Musashi were neither. He was a swordfighter and ocasionaly did work for some daimio.
Nothing in his biography suggest working as a hit man. That was not his first duel, but it was his last and by that time he had beaten all the greats.
He was wildly unconventional and that is why this 400 years butthurts claims still lives
Even the guy presenting the video: "three hours late!" Hahahaha
You are going to kill or be killed and expect "good maners"
Musashi is such a gift for these world
The account of this duel I read was that Musashi used a wooden sword made of an oar. So it is absolutely possible that his sword was longer. Musashi had by then survived many duels and was an expert swordsman. Did he use the sun to his advantage if possible. Based on his teachings in the book of the "Five Rings" absolutely. I believe that the second account of the duel is probably close to actual event.
I have always heard the 2nd story. Except that he hit him with a very long boating oar.
Your pronunciations kill me but A for dedication
Those guys followed the Bushi code. 'Dirty fighting' wasn't a thing. You used any advantage. You train your techniques every day and this trained your mind.
If Kojiro had simply been assassinated, this would have been faithfully recorded as in many other cases. Cruelty was normal, lying about it afterwards was not.
They say that Musashi carved his weapon from an oar of the boat. He'd set off unarmed (without katana).
Id be more prepared to believe that he'd made a makeshift weapon with say.... a tanto attached like a spear tip.
This would provide him with a lighter (faster) weapon and longer range than even Kojiro's sword.
He'd have expected to fight swords and been confronted with something unknown - a long stabbing weapon (and not a cutting weapon).
Failure to be able to judge distance would be a lethal disadvantage in that case.
And thats kindof what the old sources describe.
Having waited for a long time, Sasaki demanded to Hosokawa that he be declared winner by default.
But Hosokawa refused, insisted that Sasaki wait, and so he waited and he waited: mixed emotions in him: rage at Musashi's disrespect for him, frustrated demand to claim the win, elation at Musashi's supposed cowardice, and so on.
So by the time Musashi arrived, Sasaki already exhausted himself by his own mental imbalances.
Hosokawa actually planned to kill both Musashi and Sasaki. Whoever survived this fight would be killed in turn.
Musashi saw through the deceit, and lured Sasaki to pursue him to shore where Musashi's boat awaited him.
Musashi slew Sasaki, and escaped before Hosokawa's men could surround and kill Musashi.
Out of spite, Hosokawa's people renamed the island Ganryujima, in honor of Sasaki instead of Musashi.
The game was totally rigged. Still Musashi achieved his mission and escaped successfully. While Sasaki fell to both Hosokawa's and Musashi's trap, hook, line and sinker.
Had this been absolutely fair fight, Sasaki's monstrous skill would probably have won.
why would hosokawa wanted to kill kojiro? your theory is baseless
@@glowiever : it's not my theory. It's what my Sensei from Japan told me about this story.
As for: why Hosokawa wanted to kill both Musashi and Sasaki?
Well, Sensei said that's what government people did. Politician types often have little martial ability of their own, but they're wary of the samurais who does have real martial ability and following. They're thus always looking for an excuse to weaken or get rid of them.
For many years they (the Hosokawa in this case) actually wanted to 'get rid of' Sasaki but could not find anyone able, so they're 'feeling forced' to sign Sasaki on as their retainer. But at the same time, they promote Sasaki's notoriety in attempt to goad both Sasaki and Musashi into a battle that would destroy each other. Musashi avoided this. But Sasaki always the egotistical one, actually sough to prove he's better than Musashi.
In the end Musashi felt he had to deal with both Sasaki and Hosokawa. This climax in the duel of Ganryujima.
I'm here because of episode 9 of record of Ragnarok.
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Sasaki had a nodachi. Musashi didn't think he could win against him with a regular katana so on the boat ride to the island he carved up a boat oar about the size of Sasaki's nodachi and used it in stead. Not sure how that is cheating. Musashi used so many tricks and unorthodox battle strategies that it would make Sun Tzu and Machiavelli blush. Lol
Musashi was a master of using the elements which without them he probably would have lost so many times
Yes but no fight is ever fought in a vaccum.
The second theory is the most likely, Musashi had already used the strategy of being late in confrontations on other occasions and was the creator of the two swords technique because he knew how to adapt to the situation and create new combat conditions. That he arrived late and fought with a wooden sword bigger than Kojiro's is very likely, and still, this is the most known and accepted.
That's a nice video man 👍
Kojiro's friends' story will be the one that will be most skewed in his favour. And they say that he died fighting a duel but make excuses for him. The excuses are quite petty, therefore, its most likely that the duel happened and he lost fair and square.
On the other side Musashi's friends would say that Kojiro lost fair and square even if Musashi cheated
Knowing musashis reputation then he may have really won, the crowds were probably so opposite, but if all of these scenarios were to be made, then everyone must’ve been big fans of both warriors, the loss of either would have still sparked outrage.
I Like Famous Sasaki Kojiro
3:30 that's Vagabond...not One Piece...
I think it was theory 3, but he really did wait till the sun was in his eyes to make it easier for him.
Record of...
I talk to some japanese pepz that they believe the 3rd story more plausible but the story goes. Theory support that they all know Musashi is a very good military strategist. He was not alone when he attack him. When kojiro is weakand injured he made the final blow.
Mushashi also never takes a bath maybe once a week or month is what Ive heard. Because it is a sign of manliness or something. And he never uses 2 swords that much. He uses uf ut is just necessary to beat an opponent on his advantage.
In a life & death situation, d objective is to win. I believe in theory #2, if musashi uses a longer sword against kojiro and kojiro is a well trained samurai. I don't think there is any cheating or problem in that. D rule is, Life or Death? BE PREPARED 🤨
No mention of an oar as a weapon. Cheating to use a longer weapon? So Sasaki cheated all along?
Theory three isn’t even contemporary, it’s conjecture by people that weren’t involved except to muddy the waters
The lord who set up the fight in the first place, who picked the isolated location, is also good friends with Musashi, and he directly benefitted from kojiro's death, gotta admit that's a little suspicious
Benefited how? He had insurance on Sasaki? Musashi took Sasaki’s job as instructor. Does anyone doubt the fight was one on one? Thought it was Hosokawas retainer, an admirer of Musashis, who set up the duel
Anyone else here because they learned this person inspired the creation of Sephiroth?
Lol.... There is no cheating. That's ludicrous. If Musashi waited 3 hours and lengthened his sword, It was a combat strategy that worked. Why is it cheating for Musashi to have a long sword but not for Kojiro to have already had a long sword? That sounds like a story made up by butthurt Kojiro fan boys. But there's a different take on it. Maybe Musashi did show up late, psychologically defeating Kojiro before the duel and, the tactically superior Musashi making sure Kojiro was facing the sun, defeated Kojiro. Other troops may have been there to kill Kojiro if he had defeated Musashi, but Since Musashi lived, we have to assume the other troops weren't needed and Musashi just won.... With a strategy that outsmarted his opponent.
*Sasaki kojiro vs Poseidon* Record of Ragnarok put him on the spotlight also
why do you mention of the wooden oar
It was a duel to the death, the only rule is to be the one alive at the end..
Great video, Kojiro isn't in one piece though.. that's a vagabond panel
Or theory 4,Musashi and Kojiro are lovers and they live happily writing about rings and stuff.
nah but fr why are samurais so fcking cool
History is written by the winners... Who knows what happened... He showed up late... Probably from the direction of the sun.. he could have just shot kojiro with an arrow from his boat... Got out and beat him to death with his boat oar.... He was tricky... And then after realizing HE didn't fight fair and that could happen to him... Swears off all duels cuz it mind f*cked him
nice vid altough kodachi is a small sword, so he wielded nodachi
i know this video is 1 year old but if you still haven't check out the record of ragnarok adaptaion of kojiro if you haven't its really cool!
Wasn't he deaf samurai i swore i read somewhere and remember correctly he was mentioned deaf samurai.
I prefer the version in Records of Ragnarok of how Sasaki died
Kojiro in one piece? I have read the entire manga, he isn't in it. You probably meant Record of Ragnarok
Just checked and you are totally right! Theres a character named "Sasaki" in one piece but no relation to Kojiro haha my bad on that one! Good catch!
Cool video, but you should learn how to pronounce these names and words correctly to give the culture the respect it deserves
So did you read the Book? Miyamoto Musashi (translated by Yoshikawa) You flashed a photo of the cover in your video. You should read the whole entire book. Then you might have more to say on the subject.
(The same story was published as a 6 Volume Set in Paperback.) I have read both. It was very much worth the time.
The book is great but very historically inaccurate. As far as I remember, it ends around the time Musashi's actual deeds were only beginning, places the duel much earlier than it happened, and fabricates drama between the two beforehand in order to have them have a rivalry that gets solved by the duel at the end.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 That is the whole point. Both Miyamoto Musashi and Sasaki Kojiiro are real historical persons with elaborately fabricated histories in Japanese Folklore.
Theory 2 is what musashi from vagabond would do 😂
Musashi was a honorable fighter don't think he pulled any tricks
Wooden oar killed Kojiro
Whatever happened in Vagabond is what happened for real. Don't argue with me
Breh im stll waiting for their duel in vagabond
Musashi won fair and square sasaki was in musashis range and was easily defeated because his head was cracked from a thick wooden sword
manga readers be like:- 👁️👄👁️iv been lied
Was he deaf? Cause that's what they said in vagabond
He wasn't deaf
Yes I read somewhere mentioned he was deaf few months ago I forgot where I found the source n link.
Not Legendary, REGENDARY
Dope video but there’s no Kojiro on One Piece
3rd i tjink
there is actually something that might support the third theory
acording to the Numata kaki, written by the keeper of the castle where Musashi stayed at the time of his famous duel on Ganryū Island Following the duel Kojirô regained consciousness, yet Musashi’s deshi ganged in on him and killed him.
the only reason I would see for musashi students to kill sasaki after the duel is already over is if there was a hit on sasaki
In a monument created by Musashi’s adoptive son, it states that Musashi arrived on time for the duel and declared a wooden sword as his weapon before arrival. I’d accept this as the closest truth to what happened on an island. Him showing up late or it being an assassination is plausible, but it seems to me that Kojiro was an unfortunate victim to Musashi’s legendary duels.
Musashi an assassin? Okay people, you are trippin hard
Sasaki Kojirou is a mythological character lol