Even if that baffles you (tbh I think that is probably a bit underdeveloped so igy) there is a fantastic bit where Amy leans over a balcony and it looks like she voms over it 😂
You have to remember that this episode was going to be episode 3 in the spring half but Moffat swapped this and Black Spot around as he thought the first half was too dark. As a result the themes of Night Terrors and its placement in the series got screwed over completely as it doesn't fit at all with Part 2 but would have been great in the first half. I think this is one of Gatiss's more underrated and atmospheric scripts- quite creepy in parts, some clever ideas and a cheesy but endearing message. It's a far superior version of Fear Her and I like it quite a bit to be honest.
Yes I forgot about that. I knew they switched it, but didn't know why. I just remember reading that had to insert the eye patch lady into curse of the black spot. When you say "too dark" do you mean visually for the time off year?
@@curtistilbo what would be the difference in the time of year though? I get that, it's all set at night, so would be more atmospheric, shown in the autumn .
I dunno. I thought that the 'offness' of the kid's performance in retrospect added to the Alien feel of the kid without any prosthetics. (let's agree that this kid is far better than the kid from The Almost People) And the ending where the father fights through the literal monsters that came from raising a child (and the projections of that child's fear that he isn't loved) to protect that child who isn't even his and tell him in no uncertain terms that he is his son and that he loves him hits me like a tone of bricks. Agreed with the Amy and Rory thing but knowing that it was originally supposed to be in the first half prior to the The Rebel Flesh (the flesh being off handedly namedropped at the end is an indicator of this) means that I forgive it as its not the fault of the episode in itself.
I don't really get what you mean about the child being an alien having no necessary effect on the story. I've always thought this episode to be - perhaps rather obviously - about accepting your child as your own regardless of whether they actually are or not and the uselessness of 'nature' when compared to 'nurture'
A message (I’ll be it a lovely one) doesn’t always have a significant effect on the story. But... just looking at the plot without taking a deeper meaning of any message within the story then it is largely significant that Josh is an alien. The alien sends a message to the doctor and forces the characters to be shrunk down into a dolls’ house. If he wasn’t an alien then how could there even be a story.
"Whatever you are, whatever you do, you’re my son. And I will never ever send you away." People can say whatever they want about this episode, and I've only seen the episode once, but that damn line hit me right in the gut. To be fair though I am a relatively easy mark for those kinds of moments, so long as I personally think they're handled well.
The atmosphere and the creepy dolls worked well for me. I loved the reveal that he is not their natural born child, but they are so ready to accept him and love him all the same. I am a real sucker for that kind of story and a formed family rather than a biological family.
I just want to say I started on your other channel, Vera Wylde, but came over to this one out of curiosity and am now in love with Doctor Who. Thank you for introducing me to this show and being my bridge into both gender and nerddom.
I disagree on the twist. It's implied that the kid's fear relates to the fact that he doesn't belong. He knows something's off, and is afraid of being rejected by his father. I don't think it's a direct metaphor for adoption or anything, but that fear that your parents might reject you once they know what you really are is a relatable one for any number of reasons. Would have had more impact if Rory and/or Amy were there, as you said. Switch Amy and the Doctor's position, and the episode could have been a lot stronger.
Honestly, I think this is a rather underrated episode. Which isn’t to say it’s without fault, but there’re just moments in this that I really love. Most notably that twist that the boy is actually an alien; when the father bursts out with the truth that his wife is infertile, then everything goes quiet, and him and the doctor just look down at this little boy as they both think to themselves “what are you?”… oh, I love that scene!
My only addendum to your review is that I have a different reading of the twist, about the kid being an alien. The point (as in Vincent and the doctor) isn't about he is an alien, is about being different, and how difficult it is for a parent to accept that reality and the challenge that implies. For me it speaks a lot because it forces me to think about how difficult was for my parents to raise a bipolar child who falls in the autistic spectrum.
When I watched this (as a kid when it premiered) the Peg Dolls were a little weird, but the thing that *really* got me was when they converted Amy. Mainly the effect they used. That was the only scary thing for me.
I think Rory should have had some scenes with the kid. We get to see the relationship between Amy and River, but so much Rory and River. I wanna see the fatherly part of Rory's character. That could have been an interesting addition to his character.
I suspect one of the reasons they made the kid alien was to give him the ability to project his request for the Doctor to help him across space and into the TARDIS. A human child couldn't do that.
I think probably the same reason the this isn't clicking for some people is the same reason Vincent and the doctor doesn't click for some people. The actual monster isn't important. It's what they are trying to convey with that monster.
I know I've seen it but even after watching this video, I can't remember anything about it. I thought for sure that something Nathaniel said would jog my memory, but...nope.
I feel like the problem with "Fear Her" and "Night Terrors" is that they take at least as much episode space in the normal reality as they do in the realms created by the children. This makes for a better bottle episode (domestic sets, small cast etc.) but hides what's special about the story. As an alternative (Spoilers...) Robert Shearman has a tendency to craft stories that begin WITHIN the imagined world such as "The Holy Terror" and "The Chimes of Midnight," which contain the same key hook of discovery but begin in a new environment rather than a normal place. Imagine, for instance, if the cold open was the gang learning they're in a doll house in a cupboard and the rest of the story was them trying to get out. You could have the Doctor making allusions to the Celestial Toymaker for a red herring, inserts of the normal family like in the Vashta Nerada 2-parter, the taunting from a greater evil like "The Doctor's Wife," and so many more elements without having to cram what makes this premise unique into less than half of 44 minutes. Maybe even keep one of the parents trapped in the dollhouse to keep the dialogue and the themes more present in the story or our recurring cast. It might not work on the level of budget, and I know from experience it's hard to create a mystery house or anything like it in the span of weeks for some creators, but I think it can be the best way to convey the kind of story these writers want to tell. Less domestic, more fantastic. At least, that'd be how I spice up the story. But right now I'm far from professional.
I remember watching this episode when I was 11 and this episode was the most terrifying episode I ever watched. I was more calm about the weeping angels than those bloody pegdolls. The episode actually became infamous in our house because I was so scared I refused to move anywhere unless my dad held my hand and kept me company. I stayed awake for 3 days straight thinking that if I wasn't curled in a ball watching every corner of the room, the dolls would creep out from nowhere and grab me. Yeah I was a scaredy cat as a kid but that made me relate to that child so hard cause it felt so vivid to me to be that jumpy about everything. The fact the child was an alien made it even more relatable for me cause the internal feeling of knowing others are rejecting your fears cause they are irrational and you know they are but you can't stop and you know you're driving everyone around you insane so you feel guilty and scared that your dad will leave you for being a weird kid. That concept just clung to me for days. Our family were major fans of the show but that was the first and only time my family considered not watching it again because it was so real for me. Thankfully for me, they just vetted episodes before I watched them so they could protect me from any moments that could really set me off. It's always strange to me that it's just like a filler episode for most people because it was up there in infamy for me as a kid like Blink and The Lost Child in regards to fear levels. It also might be that the dolls are essentially like a mashup of those creatures in regards to bad touch and body horror transformations. Plus old dolls did freak me out as a kid due to early exposure to Chucky as a kid so that probably didn't help 😅
The more I actually think about it the more I actually like most of his writing. It's only Sleep No More which I think is truly shit, everything else I enjoy to an extent.
This ranks about third for me in terms of his episodes, right behind Robot of Sherwood and The Crimson Horror. But it's such a fun story, I love Night Terrors (it's a good one for Halloween too!)
Definitely Mark at his best here. I think the narrative could have done with some work, but the dialogue, direction, cinemarogtoahy and just general horror is Doctor Who at it's best.
I honestly haven’t watched this episode since first watching it because it scared me the first time and I bailed halfway through. And have not tried to rewatch it since.
The point you made about the episode missing the chance to have Amy and Rory connect with a struggling father trying to parent their kid is so convincing that I honestly think the story would have been excellent if the Doctor had simply switched places with Amy and Rory throughout the story.
In my opinion, one of gatiss' best episodes. The idea of a child's fears manifesting into reality is terrifying, fantastic idea. Everyone has toys that they are afraid of, and the the idea of those coming to life is even scarier. The idea alone is enough for me to cut the child actor some slack. One of my favourite episodes
The actor who plays the father is quite a respected actor in the UK. One of those actors who's in everything, and plays everything. He always nails it, but seems to keep a very low profile. I'm very surprised it took this long for him to show up in doctor who. I agree about the child. The reason why he was so scared, is an issue that could affect any child. It isnt exclusive to his race, the powers were, but what actually scared him wasn't. Similar to fear her, it just felt like doctor who was giving us parenting advice. I remember being really disappointed with this eppisode when it was 1st aired. I'm not so much now, it's a very easy watch, and it is a good one for younger audiences I suppose
This episode is so “just there” for me that I don’t even remember it. I probably watched it only once and forgot about it, so this time I have no comment!
Only time that Amy gets the Rory treatment if only for a little bit XD the kid actor just didn’t make me feel he was scared like at all which is a shame I wish I was convinced.
If you liked the guy that plays the dad in this, you should watch "Funland", in fact, I'd love it if you ever reviewed it, it's particularly British in a very bizarre way.
to be honest I feel a little offput about the child being an alien, because of how neurodivergent-coded the child is (can't remember the character's name??) but also... big voidpunk mood
This is one of the few modern who episodes I remember watching when it came out as a kid (I started in 2010) before 2012. Not sure why this one stuck out to me as I really don’t remember much about it.
I feel like they never give proper emotional fallout to Amy and Rory losing their baby and not truly getting to be parents. Amy gets like one scene about it in Wedding of River Song but that's it. It seems like that would be way more devastating than they ever depict.
It's certainly a story about having a child that's different from what you expected - largely disability allegory - and having to accept them as is. I love when doctor who goes small scale, fairly mundane setting - in this case just this little family's apartment, the kid's bedroom - and saves someone, not the world. Just a kid. Beautiful.
@@CouncilofGeeks I do agree that if they leaned into that narrative more in place of the dollhouse stuff, it definitely could have hit harder/better, so I see how it doesn't click for some. That could be one of those things that one might read differently based on experience too, so I see why it's a forgettable one!
Just there is a perfect description. I don’t hate it, it’s just a little too bizarre for me. Maybe it’s just because Gattis writes the kind of horror I don’t really enjoy, just a personal preference.
It was never meant to be a child actor performing for an adult drama. It was for a family drama that occasionally aims to speak primarily to the younger members of the family. Younger members of the audience would not see his performance any less acceptable than any performer in any other children's drama. Yes they want quality the same as anyone, else but kids are not quite as hung up about it as adult who fans. This was a story kids could empathise with in a way that adults might find difficult, which makes it for them even more scary and behind the couch worthy. Again i would say step into your 'child persona' then watch. .Embrace and rejoice that some other member or our family is being catered for instead of just ourselves ( as was the last episode). These are the whovians of tomorrow.
Just popping by to say I actually would like to know, who here also likes Fear Her? It wasn’t great, but good I think, and this is important to mention because I think the comparison and dismissal of the other episode as just “sucking” is unfair. I honestly don’t know why people dislike that episode.
It's average. Has some great moments with matt and the team. But yeah agree it's average story. Enjoyed the episode while it's on but kinda forget it when thd dust settled.
The problem I have with this episode is that the guest characters all come across as middle class despite living in what's supposed to be a very working class area. Their accents don't sound working class and that kid has far too many toys for a kid growing up there. On top of that, Rory comes off as a bit of a snob by referring to the flats as "EastEnders-land".
I would always re-watch this because I don't skip episodes and only re-watch full seasons etc. It is very meh though, which is a pity as there are a couple of nice ideas in it, as you say.
I basically agree that it's pretty much a bland episode. Not bad, but nothing there to make you want to re-watch, either. I do disagree on a couple of points, though. First, I didn't really like the hook. Second, I did think that the dolls were creepy, not because they were inherently creepy, but because they were people transformed into dolls.
@Joe Horrell oh well, if you really enjoyed it, then more power to you. Its not a *bad* episode, to be frank, its just that it faces stiff competition from episodes like the Season opener (2 parter), The Doctor's Wife, Rebel Flesh/The Almost People, The Girl Who Waited & The God Complex.
The dad in this episode, the guy who plays him also plays a dad in good omens who fathers a son who isn't quite human there iether.
Yoooo I was wondering why he looked familiar
ITS THAT GUY???
I think this is really underrated. I guess I'm just a sucker for its themes, and the scary peg dolls.
Ben Warburton I kind of like it? Are peg dolls a thing outside of the UK? Idk maybe. I think it’s okay 😂
@@reubensmart1757 That being said the whole like of connection to what Amy and Rory are going through really baffles me on reflection.
Even if that baffles you (tbh I think that is probably a bit underdeveloped so igy) there is a fantastic bit where Amy leans over a balcony and it looks like she voms over it 😂
@@reubensmart1757 Yeah I guess, I still like it but that really is a missed opportunity
You have to remember that this episode was going to be episode 3 in the spring half but Moffat swapped this and Black Spot around as he thought the first half was too dark. As a result the themes of Night Terrors and its placement in the series got screwed over completely as it doesn't fit at all with Part 2 but would have been great in the first half. I think this is one of Gatiss's more underrated and atmospheric scripts- quite creepy in parts, some clever ideas and a cheesy but endearing message. It's a far superior version of Fear Her and I like it quite a bit to be honest.
Yes I forgot about that. I knew they switched it, but didn't know why. I just remember reading that had to insert the eye patch lady into curse of the black spot. When you say "too dark" do you mean visually for the time off year?
@@k.stewart007 He means too creepy
@@curtistilbo what would be the difference in the time of year though? I get that, it's all set at night, so would be more atmospheric, shown in the autumn .
@@k.stewart007 Just means the first half of series 6 didn't have a light and fun episode
"Hey I've seen this"
"What do you mean you've seen this one its brand new!"
I dunno. I thought that the 'offness' of the kid's performance in retrospect added to the Alien feel of the kid without any prosthetics. (let's agree that this kid is far better than the kid from The Almost People)
And the ending where the father fights through the literal monsters that came from raising a child (and the projections of that child's fear that he isn't loved) to protect that child who isn't even his and tell him in no uncertain terms that he is his son and that he loves him hits me like a tone of bricks.
Agreed with the Amy and Rory thing but knowing that it was originally supposed to be in the first half prior to the The Rebel Flesh (the flesh being off handedly namedropped at the end is an indicator of this) means that I forgive it as its not the fault of the episode in itself.
I don't really get what you mean about the child being an alien having no necessary effect on the story. I've always thought this episode to be - perhaps rather obviously - about accepting your child as your own regardless of whether they actually are or not and the uselessness of 'nature' when compared to 'nurture'
Absolutely, it was saying your child is your child and you should love them regardless.
A message (I’ll be it a lovely one) doesn’t always have a significant effect on the story.
But... just looking at the plot without taking a deeper meaning of any message within the story then it is largely significant that Josh is an alien. The alien sends a message to the doctor and forces the characters to be shrunk down into a dolls’ house. If he wasn’t an alien then how could there even be a story.
I really like this episode, mainly because I love Eleven's interactions with kids
"Whatever you are, whatever you do, you’re my son. And I will never ever send you away."
People can say whatever they want about this episode, and I've only seen the episode once, but that damn line hit me right in the gut. To be fair though I am a relatively easy mark for those kinds of moments, so long as I personally think they're handled well.
The atmosphere and the creepy dolls worked well for me. I loved the reveal that he is not their natural born child, but they are so ready to accept him and love him all the same. I am a real sucker for that kind of story and a formed family rather than a biological family.
I just want to say I started on your other channel, Vera Wylde, but came over to this one out of curiosity and am now in love with Doctor Who. Thank you for introducing me to this show and being my bridge into both gender and nerddom.
Welcome to the Who fandom. Hope you stick around for the long run, there's a lot to catch up on.
I disagree on the twist. It's implied that the kid's fear relates to the fact that he doesn't belong. He knows something's off, and is afraid of being rejected by his father. I don't think it's a direct metaphor for adoption or anything, but that fear that your parents might reject you once they know what you really are is a relatable one for any number of reasons. Would have had more impact if Rory and/or Amy were there, as you said. Switch Amy and the Doctor's position, and the episode could have been a lot stronger.
Honestly, I think this is a rather underrated episode. Which isn’t to say it’s without fault, but there’re just moments in this that I really love. Most notably that twist that the boy is actually an alien; when the father bursts out with the truth that his wife is infertile, then everything goes quiet, and him and the doctor just look down at this little boy as they both think to themselves “what are you?”… oh, I love that scene!
My only addendum to your review is that I have a different reading of the twist, about the kid being an alien. The point (as in Vincent and the doctor) isn't about he is an alien, is about being different, and how difficult it is for a parent to accept that reality and the challenge that implies. For me it speaks a lot because it forces me to think about how difficult was for my parents to raise a bipolar child who falls in the autistic spectrum.
When I watched this (as a kid when it premiered) the Peg Dolls were a little weird, but the thing that *really* got me was when they converted Amy. Mainly the effect they used. That was the only scary thing for me.
I think Rory should have had some scenes with the kid. We get to see the relationship between Amy and River, but so much Rory and River.
I wanna see the fatherly part of Rory's character. That could have been an interesting addition to his character.
I suspect one of the reasons they made the kid alien was to give him the ability to project his request for the Doctor to help him across space and into the TARDIS. A human child couldn't do that.
I think the purpose of George not being human was to make loving him even more of a commitment.
This episode is so much better than it should be.
If this is the standard of Doctor Who, you know it's a better show than we give it credit for.
I think probably the same reason the this isn't clicking for some people is the same reason Vincent and the doctor doesn't click for some people. The actual monster isn't important. It's what they are trying to convey with that monster.
This is legit the only Modern Who episode I ever forgot about after watching it. It's not boring or bad...just forgettable
I know I've seen it but even after watching this video, I can't remember anything about it. I thought for sure that something Nathaniel said would jog my memory, but...nope.
I feel like the problem with "Fear Her" and "Night Terrors" is that they take at least as much episode space in the normal reality as they do in the realms created by the children. This makes for a better bottle episode (domestic sets, small cast etc.) but hides what's special about the story.
As an alternative (Spoilers...) Robert Shearman has a tendency to craft stories that begin WITHIN the imagined world such as "The Holy Terror" and "The Chimes of Midnight," which contain the same key hook of discovery but begin in a new environment rather than a normal place. Imagine, for instance, if the cold open was the gang learning they're in a doll house in a cupboard and the rest of the story was them trying to get out. You could have the Doctor making allusions to the Celestial Toymaker for a red herring, inserts of the normal family like in the Vashta Nerada 2-parter, the taunting from a greater evil like "The Doctor's Wife," and so many more elements without having to cram what makes this premise unique into less than half of 44 minutes. Maybe even keep one of the parents trapped in the dollhouse to keep the dialogue and the themes more present in the story or our recurring cast.
It might not work on the level of budget, and I know from experience it's hard to create a mystery house or anything like it in the span of weeks for some creators, but I think it can be the best way to convey the kind of story these writers want to tell. Less domestic, more fantastic. At least, that'd be how I spice up the story. But right now I'm far from professional.
I remember watching this episode when I was 11 and this episode was the most terrifying episode I ever watched. I was more calm about the weeping angels than those bloody pegdolls. The episode actually became infamous in our house because I was so scared I refused to move anywhere unless my dad held my hand and kept me company. I stayed awake for 3 days straight thinking that if I wasn't curled in a ball watching every corner of the room, the dolls would creep out from nowhere and grab me. Yeah I was a scaredy cat as a kid but that made me relate to that child so hard cause it felt so vivid to me to be that jumpy about everything. The fact the child was an alien made it even more relatable for me cause the internal feeling of knowing others are rejecting your fears cause they are irrational and you know they are but you can't stop and you know you're driving everyone around you insane so you feel guilty and scared that your dad will leave you for being a weird kid. That concept just clung to me for days. Our family were major fans of the show but that was the first and only time my family considered not watching it again because it was so real for me. Thankfully for me, they just vetted episodes before I watched them so they could protect me from any moments that could really set me off. It's always strange to me that it's just like a filler episode for most people because it was up there in infamy for me as a kid like Blink and The Lost Child in regards to fear levels. It also might be that the dolls are essentially like a mashup of those creatures in regards to bad touch and body horror transformations. Plus old dolls did freak me out as a kid due to early exposure to Chucky as a kid so that probably didn't help 😅
I feel like half of Series 6 is just one underrated episode after the other
Easily my favourite Mark Gatiss episode :)
I'd agree, although that's not saying much.
The more I actually think about it the more I actually like most of his writing. It's only Sleep No More which I think is truly shit, everything else I enjoy to an extent.
This ranks about third for me in terms of his episodes, right behind Robot of Sherwood and The Crimson Horror. But it's such a fun story, I love Night Terrors (it's a good one for Halloween too!)
Once again I'm in the minority. Menacing. Loved this one. Always enjoy these reviews however and well worth the wait with the delayed posting!
Tick tock goes the clock even for the doctor
Definitely Mark at his best here. I think the narrative could have done with some work, but the dialogue, direction, cinemarogtoahy and just general horror is Doctor Who at it's best.
I honestly haven’t watched this episode since first watching it because it scared me the first time and I bailed halfway through. And have not tried to rewatch it since.
The point you made about the episode missing the chance to have Amy and Rory connect with a struggling father trying to parent their kid is so convincing that I honestly think the story would have been excellent if the Doctor had simply switched places with Amy and Rory throughout the story.
In my opinion, one of gatiss' best episodes. The idea of a child's fears manifesting into reality is terrifying, fantastic idea. Everyone has toys that they are afraid of, and the the idea of those coming to life is even scarier. The idea alone is enough for me to cut the child actor some slack. One of my favourite episodes
The actor who plays the father is quite a respected actor in the UK. One of those actors who's in everything, and plays everything. He always nails it, but seems to keep a very low profile. I'm very surprised it took this long for him to show up in doctor who.
I agree about the child. The reason why he was so scared, is an issue that could affect any child. It isnt exclusive to his race, the powers were, but what actually scared him wasn't. Similar to fear her, it just felt like doctor who was giving us parenting advice.
I remember being really disappointed with this eppisode when it was 1st aired. I'm not so much now, it's a very easy watch, and it is a good one for younger audiences I suppose
Those giggles were hilarious and adorable. I require more.
I forgot this episode even existed. I saw your review and I was like "Huh?"
This is actually one of my favorite one-off episodes.
This episode is so “just there” for me that I don’t even remember it. I probably watched it only once and forgot about it, so this time I have no comment!
The twist always bothered me in this one and you did a good job of articulating the same issue I had with it.
I haven't been able to watch this episode since I was a kid.
It is sooooo scary to me.
Only time that Amy gets the Rory treatment if only for a little bit XD the kid actor just didn’t make me feel he was scared like at all which is a shame I wish I was convinced.
Here i am, early to an overdue video. The mind boggles.
If you liked the guy that plays the dad in this, you should watch "Funland", in fact, I'd love it if you ever reviewed it, it's particularly British in a very bizarre way.
Daniel Mays (the father) is an excellent actor - you should look out for him in other things 👍
to be honest I feel a little offput about the child being an alien, because of how neurodivergent-coded the child is (can't remember the character's name??) but also... big voidpunk mood
This is one of the few modern who episodes I remember watching when it came out as a kid (I started in 2010) before 2012. Not sure why this one stuck out to me as I really don’t remember much about it.
You had the giggles there for a while
I feel like they never give proper emotional fallout to Amy and Rory losing their baby and not truly getting to be parents. Amy gets like one scene about it in Wedding of River Song but that's it. It seems like that would be way more devastating than they ever depict.
glad I didn't wait up for this. Instead can watch it first thing in the morning!
Tick Tock goes the clock even for The Doctor
It's certainly a story about having a child that's different from what you expected - largely disability allegory - and having to accept them as is. I love when doctor who goes small scale, fairly mundane setting - in this case just this little family's apartment, the kid's bedroom - and saves someone, not the world. Just a kid. Beautiful.
I want to like this, on paper I agree with all of this. But it just doesn't click for me.
@@CouncilofGeeks I do agree that if they leaned into that narrative more in place of the dollhouse stuff, it definitely could have hit harder/better, so I see how it doesn't click for some. That could be one of those things that one might read differently based on experience too, so I see why it's a forgettable one!
I like this one as its great when ur eating dinner
Wow, your expression in the thumbnail made me expect you to just gush about this episode.
Anyone else feel like it was a weird metaphor for adoption?
Soo disappointed when I saw the notification earlier, but you had deleted the video. Glad it's up now!
Do you know why? It was already gone by the time I looked at it.
@@lwaves twas a accidental upload
@Flamingosundew Cheers.
Just there is a perfect description. I don’t hate it, it’s just a little too bizarre for me. Maybe it’s just because Gattis writes the kind of horror I don’t really enjoy, just a personal preference.
It was never meant to be a child actor performing for an adult drama. It was for a family drama that occasionally aims to speak primarily to the younger members of the family. Younger members of the audience would not see his performance any less acceptable than any performer in any other children's drama. Yes they want quality the same as anyone, else but kids are not quite as hung up about it as adult who fans. This was a story kids could empathise with in a way that adults might find difficult, which makes it for them even more scary and behind the couch worthy. Again i would say step into your 'child persona' then watch. .Embrace and rejoice that some other member or our family is being catered for instead of just ourselves ( as was the last episode). These are the whovians of tomorrow.
Dolls are the worst!
The resolve moment in this episode is cheesy, but I really like it.
Just popping by to say I actually would like to know, who here also likes Fear Her? It wasn’t great, but good I think, and this is important to mention because I think the comparison and dismissal of the other episode as just “sucking” is unfair. I honestly don’t know why people dislike that episode.
It's average. Has some great moments with matt and the team. But yeah agree it's average story. Enjoyed the episode while it's on but kinda forget it when thd dust settled.
The problem I have with this episode is that the guest characters all come across as middle class despite living in what's supposed to be a very working class area. Their accents don't sound working class and that kid has far too many toys for a kid growing up there.
On top of that, Rory comes off as a bit of a snob by referring to the flats as "EastEnders-land".
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I don't remember this episode like at all
Aside from the dolls I cannot remember this episode in any way either
I would always re-watch this because I don't skip episodes and only re-watch full seasons etc. It is very meh though, which is a pity as there are a couple of nice ideas in it, as you say.
If I’m being honest, I barely remember this episode.
Yea. It felt like a filler episode to me. Enjoyable, but not necessary.
I basically agree that it's pretty much a bland episode. Not bad, but nothing there to make you want to re-watch, either.
I do disagree on a couple of points, though. First, I didn't really like the hook. Second, I did think that the dolls were creepy, not because they were inherently creepy, but because they were people transformed into dolls.
Reminds me too much of listen
One of my least favorite episodes of DW. I start dozing off about when the dolls show up.
I despise this episode, it's honestly just so incredibly boring
I see it as a *meh* kind of filler episode, but maybe that's unfair. Bit twee at the end. Didn't like the tone/style.
As a parent I liked this. But as just an episode I found it kinda boring.
Not Fear Her or Love & Monsters levels of bad, but this is definitely one of the weakest episodes of Season 6 IMHO.
@Joe Horrell oh well, if you really enjoyed it, then more power to you. Its not a *bad* episode, to be frank, its just that it faces stiff competition from episodes like the Season opener (2 parter), The Doctor's Wife, Rebel Flesh/The Almost People, The Girl Who Waited & The God Complex.
@Joe Horrell no worries, didn't take offense or anything.....obviously opinions are going to differ 🙂.
I dont like it. Its just meh filler