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Not only are you losing hay blowing into the truck, but you also lose a lot when dumping the wagon into the truck. It may not seem like a lot, but I'll bet you lose almost a truck load per 100 acres when added together.
Gehl used to sell a 3 or 4 foot vertical extension for their chopper spout. Went between the chopper and the existing spout to raise it up and enable blowing directly into a truck.
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Bagging is more efficient you have less waste and also you don’t need two or three packing tractors that cost a lot of money. The dairy needs silage for milk quality.
I agree i would look into john deere self-propelled Forage Harvester. I watch a lot of farms,fixing and fabricating youtube channels, and andy seems to like his john deere Forage Harvester for his dairy farm. I would see if john deere,New holland, or Claas would let you guys demo or lease one of there Self-propelled Forage harvesters.
We tried one last summer... If you are in the market for a pull type but want the capacity of a Self propelled this it the chopper. They will take 4 rows of corn like its nothing.
Honestly, with better side-boards on the trick, that seems like it could be a lot more efficient once you get the hang of it compared the the separate wagons that were also losing a lot of hay.
You put a higher quote on that chapter and more of a bin where you could blow right in the truck then you could keep your side done and everything I have seen it done just like a self repel
ATTENTION: I have seen a company that does this sort of thing and then dumps it all int concrete bunkers to be covered with heavy plastic versus bagging it. Get some plywood and 2x6's and grow you outside wall about 4 feet. Your chopper will then blow against that and fill your trucks almost as full as you were doing before these breakdowns. On the dump into the bagger you might need a skid steer with a bucket to collect lose hay to dump into the bagger as you change trucks. Good luck this handyman fix should get you at least half of what you are missing by not feeding into the front of the trucks.
Why not just get the Dion Chopper with the Stinger spout or (truck spout) as others call it. We have a dealer not far from us in Wisconsin that has a whole bunch of them for sale. We demoed one just for the heck of it so we put are 450Hp quad track on it just cause it was the biggest we have and it would keep right up with our 7400 JD self propelled chopper for about 1/3 the cost of new one SP. We pushed that chopper with 42' of first cutting at 4.5 Mph and it took all of that Case to pull it lol.
Thats the way do all the time straight into the trucks much fastest that way. You just need the 24" spout extension for the chopper. Itll make it much easier to load the trucks.
The water curtailment is affecting the ground water users. If they have water rights that pre date 1954 or 1945 I cant remember they arent going to be affected but most of the water rights are newer than that date. Surface water rights are not being affected with this curtailment at least not right now anyways. There is a lot more info but you would be bored if i went through it all.
I don’t understand why don’t you extend the tube from the cutter to the carrier where the hay is transported to after cutting. It appears you are loosing 10% of your product due to it missing the container it shoots at after cutting.
I’m not entirely sure all I know is the state has curtailed water rights for somewhere around 500,000 acres which is going to end up bankrupting quite a few farmers because they didn’t tell the farmers they couldn’t water until after they already had their crops planted
@RockyMountainFarmer That's a really dirty thing for the government to do, and I think it is a deliberate move to put farmers and farms out of business. Somehow, farming doesn't fit into the "green new deal" of the climate change hoax. Makes me very angry. There's no other group of people on earth who are better stewards of the land and water than farmers. The end game is to make all us peasants eat bugs. I'm really getting steamed up, so I'll stop my rant. I ain't eating no bugs!
I'm guessing you and your family farms have good water rights? I used to farm around Mud Lake. We were always worried about the curtailment. I bet they are super nervous now
Just a Thought. I understand that a self-propelled harvester is expensive, but if you sold all the choppers, carts and bagger, you could possibly save money. Not to mention the loss of Hay. It would almost be worth the money to build a silage pit and get rid of the bagger and bags.
We back trucks up to hi dump, that way you can see in your mirror what you are doing. The way you do it, driver is blind. Also, you need to put the stinger hood on your harvester and blow straight into trucks
I am sorry that i am watching your video late because my Grandfather die and the next day was my engagement video how much worth of forage chopper you use brand new machines or you buy used machines
Hi from the UK. Those high tip trailer's that tip off to the side make no sense to me. They look flimsy and unbalanced. Doesn't make sense to fill it first then tip it into a truck or another trailer. Here in the UK, the forager (self propelled or trailed) fills each trailer as you go and in the case of a trailed forage the trailer is more often than not drawn by the forager. The chute looks to be far too short on the forager too. An interesting video because you guys pick up your silage in a very different way to what we do, a bit bizarre to be honest.
Those are big wagons. We ran a Dump Chef and would fill it as full as it would go and it would just fill a 16 foot bed on a single axel truck. We did have extensions on the beds to make them 6' tall. I still think your tongues are too long.
They are a little too long, and we just ordered some extensions for the stinger, but they have to be that long or else the trucks will hit the chopper. I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Painful watching hay going everywhere outside the wago. Agree with others, get a spout extension and blow straight across into the wagon, instead of up. Every little bump won't deflect it over the top.
0:33 Once a month. I cruise my normal routes and I pull every one of those signs up. I don't care who or what they are about. I pull them all. Then we get to enjoy about two weeks of just enjoying the area free of all the BS. One morning I ended up following a realtor. She stuck them in the ground. I pulled them out. Two miles of that. The amount of plastic and steel wasted on dumb shit...
@@RockyMountainFarmer This was a rural area.. that got real hot. Easily a few thousand houses went up in about a year. Entire sections of great grazing pasture gone forever. i can fill my truck bed every month with the signs. I finally packed up and let them have it. They claim they want to move out there to get away... then they create exactly the same environment they came from.
Chris chopper knives are too close to the cutter bar. I really don't think you should be hearing knives rubbing the cutter bar. That's what I think is the part of the problem
A self propelled chopper is the highest maintenance farm machine I can think of. It'll take much more money and effort to keep them going than these pull-types. If this farm is already having these issues on day 1 then a self propelled is only that much more complex, that much more expensive, and that much more painful when it's broken down or not operating at max efficiency. I see tons of farms with their own choppers and most of them are just bashing their head into the wall trying to make their expensive machines work. Always blaming the color of whatever machine they have until they'd had them all, and then just giving up and getting a custom operator in or wising up and making significant investments over the winter to be ready for the next season. Someone mentioned other youtube farmers here who have self-propelled machines and that guy has just as many videos of him spending time and money on his chopper as he does of him using it. Also if you do upgrade and you do keep it in good shape and the operator has read the manual and has some idea of what he's doing then everything else needs to scale as well. The mowers have to be faster, the trucks have to be bigger and faster, the bagger can't waste time at all. Once all that is good then you've made time so expensive that you can't afford to stop for anything anymore. The baggers are a giant PITA too but at least those things are little gold mines if you put them to work.
I don't believe cutter knives are supposed to touch the bed knife, They are set very close to the point just the knives passing the bed knife pops the air like a helicopter chops the air. At least the last time I set the bed knife on a big wood chipper that was the case :)
@@RockyMountainFarmer best decision you’ll ever make green shop first second and third cutting and then a bail your fourth and call it a season . we have been doing that since we sold our cows and it saved us tons of cost.
That’s not a bad idea we have thought about green chopping first bailing second and third and then green chopping fourth because sometimes the weather turns in the fall
When putting the bag on take the cardboard box it came in, flatten it out put it half in half out of the belly pan. The bag will slide into the pan and you pull out the cardboard and no hands and knees lifting.
What a terrible job chopping hey hey half of it is only going in the wagon the other half of Landing on the ground going through all the work and fuel to do it and you guys put it back on the field we need a bigger spot on that chopper going into the wagon needs to be hired
@@RockyMountainFarmer Oh. Your title says 'hay' so I thought you meant hay. The other day when you talked about the government shutting down 500,000 acres of potato farmland because of water shortages, did you actually mean what you said or did you mean something else altogether?
I know nothing of what you are doing (I know chopping and bagging silage) but I agree with the previous comment, it looks like you are losing 10-20% of what you are trying to collect. You are rather like the ADM plant here in Decatur. They lost over two million bushel in their processing of corn. Impossible, right???? Adaptaptability the FARMERS middle name. Make it work..... Good Luck. It would be interesting know how many acres you are processing and how many cows you are feeding.
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Seems like a lot of wasted hay missing the cart, is that a concern or is that normal?
That’s pretty normal we aren’t actually missing that much. It just looks that way sometimes.
It is a lot btw. We would never accept leaving that much on the ground choking out crop
Not only are you losing hay blowing into the truck, but you also lose a lot when dumping the wagon into the truck. It may not seem like a lot, but I'll bet you lose almost a truck load per 100 acres when added together.
@@Mark-mm3bz agreed
Yah just watching the intro my immediate thought was this doesnt seem that efficient vs going with forage wagons or trailers
Mannn that’s a lot missing the dump wagon. I’d be fixing the slop in that spout asap. That adds up.
Gehl used to sell a 3 or 4 foot vertical extension for their chopper spout. Went between the chopper and the existing spout to raise it up and enable blowing directly into a truck.
Yeah we are getting some extensions
They need a scorpion stinger spout
The scorpion stinger spout is very nice. I didn’t know what it was so I looked it up.
Awesome video! Great to see those Dion choppers goin! We use a jf stoll and blow straight into trucks. Got a few videos of it going if you’re curious.
MILLENNIAL FARM would have a coronary seeing all that wasted forage!
We really aren’t losing that much
Yes you are. It doesn't blow very well
Enjoyed all the 'on the fly Farmer Fixes'. Never seen a 'pivot track filler' before... Looks like a nice piece of kit
Glad you enjoyed it. Farming can get kind of crazy sometimes.
Hi could you not load direct from the harvester into the trucks
We did
When we chop corn. We keep the driver in view of the wagon so we won’t hit the tires
We do the same this was just a new driver.
I like field green good job keep up
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Hello rocky farm and
Great vidéo thanks rocky
Well, I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
I don't understand it anymore, you work the land with GPS to an accuracy of 2 cm, but you can aim the hay into the cart at a distance of 3 m.
Great video as usual thank you for sharing . Have you guys ever seen those little kits called Gluetread. .they are a kit to be able to temporarily fix a tire . It’s has patches for side puncture, valve stem fix and can plug a tire . Bleepin Jeep has a video on those kits . I have never used one but I plan on buying one . I would think they could keep you operating for awhile while waiting for a new tire. . Just thought I would point it out . Also great to have a sponsor now . Good job guys. Thank you. 👍👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it. I will have to look into that tire kit.
Hello from Ireland. Why do you use the bagger versus a pit or baling and wrapping it?
Bagging is more efficient you have less waste and also you don’t need two or three packing tractors that cost a lot of money. The dairy needs silage for milk quality.
Would a bale wrapper work for the dairies current set up? Or would they have to purchase a new piece of equipment to process silage bales?
I’m not sure what that process would entail.
I agree i would look into john deere self-propelled Forage Harvester. I watch a lot of farms,fixing and fabricating youtube channels, and andy seems to like his john deere Forage Harvester for his dairy farm. I would see if john deere,New holland, or Claas would let you guys demo or lease one of there Self-propelled Forage harvesters.
I wouldn’t mind trying one I just wish they weren’t so expensive when compared to the hay that isn’t worth much.
How do you like the Dion choppers?
They can go faster than our old new Holland, but they seem to be a little bit harder to work on
We tried one last summer... If you are in the market for a pull type but want the capacity of a Self propelled this it the chopper. They will take 4 rows of corn like its nothing.
Honestly, with better side-boards on the trick, that seems like it could be a lot more efficient once you get the hang of it compared the the separate wagons that were also losing a lot of hay.
Yeah hopefully better next crop
New holland fp 240 pull type nice chopper
That’s what we used to have
Great video, sorry y'all had some issues. Never seen those type of wagon used for hay. Is the dairy yours? Besides potatoes, hay any other crops?
I’m glad you enjoyed the video. We don’t own the dairy. We just grow potatoes grain and hay.
You put a higher quote on that chapter and more of a bin where you could blow right in the truck then you could keep your side done and everything I have seen it done just like a self repel
ATTENTION: I have seen a company that does this sort of thing and then dumps it all int concrete bunkers to be covered with heavy plastic versus bagging it. Get some plywood and 2x6's and grow you outside wall about 4 feet. Your chopper will then blow against that and fill your trucks almost as full as you were doing before these breakdowns. On the dump into the bagger you might need a skid steer with a bucket to collect lose hay to dump into the bagger as you change trucks. Good luck this handyman fix should get you at least half of what you are missing by not feeding into the front of the trucks.
Thanks for the tip. We are looking into some new ways to chop.
It's kind of what we mostly do in Europe
Great video i appreciate your hard work
Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it
What is the white container for on the silage chopper tow bar? Looks like fluid in it.
It helps the hay breakdown in the silage bags
thank you
You're welcome
Why not just get the Dion Chopper with the Stinger spout or (truck spout) as others call it. We have a dealer not far from us in Wisconsin that has a whole bunch of them for sale. We demoed one just for the heck of it so we put are 450Hp quad track on it just cause it was the biggest we have and it would keep right up with our 7400 JD self propelled chopper for about 1/3 the cost of new one SP. We pushed that chopper with 42' of first cutting at 4.5 Mph and it took all of that Case to pull it lol.
Thats the way do all the time straight into the trucks much fastest that way. You just need the 24" spout extension for the chopper. Itll make it much easier to load the trucks.
Yeah we are getting some extensions.
Good video!
Thanks
Backing under the dump wagon works better.
Yeah but we don’t have the most experienced drivers
The water curtailment is affecting the ground water users. If they have water rights that pre date 1954 or 1945 I cant remember they arent going to be affected but most of the water rights are newer than that date. Surface water rights are not being affected with this curtailment at least not right now anyways. There is a lot more info but you would be bored if i went through it all.
Yeah I just know it’s going to be bad. I might try to make a video about it sometime.
I don’t understand why don’t you extend the tube from the cutter to the carrier where the hay is transported to after cutting. It appears you are loosing 10% of your product due to it missing the container it shoots at after cutting.
We have ordered some extensions
How many crops like this must be done each year?
We get 5 crops each year
Do these operators know how to put the hay in the wagon? Kind of important 😢.
Looks like they get a bit in not good shooting too much waste
The problem is when it’s not feeding fast enough or if it’s dry it doesn’t shoot very far. We have some stinger extensions for next crop.
What’s going on with the Water Rights in Idaho?
I’m not entirely sure all I know is the state has curtailed water rights for somewhere around 500,000 acres which is going to end up bankrupting quite a few farmers because they didn’t tell the farmers they couldn’t water until after they already had their crops planted
@RockyMountainFarmer
That's a really dirty thing for the government to do, and I think it is a deliberate move to put farmers and farms out of business. Somehow, farming doesn't fit into the "green new deal" of the climate change hoax. Makes me very angry. There's no other group of people on earth who are better stewards of the land and water than farmers.
The end game is to make all us peasants eat bugs.
I'm really getting steamed up, so I'll stop my rant.
I ain't eating no bugs!
I'm guessing you and your family farms have good water rights? I used to farm around Mud Lake. We were always worried about the curtailment. I bet they are super nervous now
Take a look at Farm Fix and Fabricator , he loads from the side , tandem trucks and tractor trailers .
Probably not a bad way to go.
So are you guys being affected by this water curtailment B.S. being in eastern Idaho thanks to the tfcc
Luckily we aren’t because we use surface water but there are a lot that are.
Just a Thought. I understand that a self-propelled harvester is expensive, but if you sold all the choppers, carts and bagger, you could possibly save money. Not to mention the loss of Hay. It would almost be worth the money to build a silage pit and get rid of the bagger and bags.
That would cost more than it’s worth when hay is pretty worthless.
We back trucks up to hi dump, that way you can see in your mirror what you are doing. The way you do it, driver is blind.
Also, you need to put the stinger hood on your harvester and blow straight into trucks
We have stingers on order.
Are those semi truck tires
I think they are super singles
I am sorry that i am watching your video late because my Grandfather die and the next day was my engagement video how much worth of forage chopper you use brand new machines or you buy used machines
I’m sorry for your loss. We buy new and use them for quite a few years.
@@RockyMountainFarmer how much price of forage chopper
I can’t remember
@@Arham7cheema Its about
$120,000 for one of these Dion choppers new but that doesnt include the Corn head or the Kernal processer.
Hi from the UK.
Those high tip trailer's that tip off to the side make no sense to me. They look flimsy and unbalanced. Doesn't make sense to fill it first then tip it into a truck or another trailer. Here in the UK, the forager (self propelled or trailed) fills each trailer as you go and in the case of a trailed forage the trailer is more often than not drawn by the forager. The chute looks to be far too short on the forager too.
An interesting video because you guys pick up your silage in a very different way to what we do, a bit bizarre to be honest.
Yeah things are a little different everywhere.
Those are big wagons. We ran a Dump Chef and would fill it as full as it would go and it would just fill a 16 foot bed on a single axel truck. We did have extensions on the beds to make them 6' tall. I still think your tongues are too long.
They are a little too long, and we just ordered some extensions for the stinger, but they have to be that long or else the trucks will hit the chopper. I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
How much did u say that tire cost
It seems that the blower is missing the mark and leaving a lot on the ground.
The fan blades are a little worn out
Painful watching hay going everywhere outside the wago. Agree with others, get a spout extension and blow straight across into the wagon, instead of up. Every little bump won't deflect it over the top.
MY GAWD... THE SMELL!!
0:33 Once a month. I cruise my normal routes and I pull every one of those signs up. I don't care who or what they are about. I pull them all. Then we get to enjoy about two weeks of just enjoying the area free of all the BS. One morning I ended up following a realtor. She stuck them in the ground. I pulled them out. Two miles of that. The amount of plastic and steel wasted on dumb shit...
Real estate signs are fine but I hate election signs.
@@RockyMountainFarmer This was a rural area.. that got real hot. Easily a few thousand houses went up in about a year. Entire sections of great grazing pasture gone forever. i can fill my truck bed every month with the signs. I finally packed up and let them have it. They claim they want to move out there to get away... then they create exactly the same environment they came from.
100% agreed
Chris chopper knives are too close to the cutter bar. I really don't think you should be hearing knives rubbing the cutter bar. That's what I think is the part of the problem
It’s actually the fan blades not the knives.
I'm blown away by how much you waist!
A self propelled chopper is the highest maintenance farm machine I can think of. It'll take much more money and effort to keep them going than these pull-types. If this farm is already having these issues on day 1 then a self propelled is only that much more complex, that much more expensive, and that much more painful when it's broken down or not operating at max efficiency.
I see tons of farms with their own choppers and most of them are just bashing their head into the wall trying to make their expensive machines work. Always blaming the color of whatever machine they have until they'd had them all, and then just giving up and getting a custom operator in or wising up and making significant investments over the winter to be ready for the next season. Someone mentioned other youtube farmers here who have self-propelled machines and that guy has just as many videos of him spending time and money on his chopper as he does of him using it. Also if you do upgrade and you do keep it in good shape and the operator has read the manual and has some idea of what he's doing then everything else needs to scale as well. The mowers have to be faster, the trucks have to be bigger and faster, the bagger can't waste time at all. Once all that is good then you've made time so expensive that you can't afford to stop for anything anymore.
The baggers are a giant PITA too but at least those things are little gold mines if you put them to work.
I don’t think we will ever get one. Thanks for the info
Need higher spouts😊
They are on order
Looks like the lid broke.
I don't believe cutter knives are supposed to touch the bed knife, They are set very close to the point just the knives passing the bed knife pops the air like a helicopter chops the air. At least the last time I set the bed knife on a big wood chipper that was the case :)
Yeah the sound was the fan blades. We have some things to fix
@@RockyMountainFarmer unfortunately, the only way you don't need to fix something is not to use it LOL
Tell Trevor he’s a good boy ok
Ok will do
You are losing more than you are saving
We are getting extensions
Why didn't you put the good chopper on the good wagon......
We did.
The chopper sounds like an old detroit 😂
Yeah kinda does.
Buy an old 491 series claas better cut and cheaper then the two pull types
have the dairy pay for your hay and have a custom guy come in there ,i feel ur struggle
We have thought about that
@@RockyMountainFarmer best decision you’ll ever make green shop first second and third cutting and then a bail your fourth and call it a season . we have been doing that since we sold our cows and it saved us tons of cost.
That’s not a bad idea we have thought about green chopping first bailing second and third and then green chopping fourth because sometimes the weather turns in the fall
U need to figure out a way to fix that shoot u lose about 14% of your crop on the ground.
Is this one of the Idaho farms that is going to have its water rights shut off ?
Not ours because we mainly use surface water.
if those augers where longer, you would not loose so much.
We ordered some
You should feed the cows in the field there is more hay left in the field than in the bagger
Not true but whatever
I don't see why those choppers need to be replaced. But those wagons stink. It looks like you're losing a lot of hay.
We’re not actually losing that much
@@RockyMountainFarmer
Well if it's acceptable to you then it's acceptable to me. I love the videos. Keep them coming.
When putting the bag on take the cardboard box it came in, flatten it out put it half in half out of the belly pan. The bag will slide into the pan and you pull out the cardboard and no hands and knees lifting.
How much hay do you think you lose that misses getting in the wagon from the chopper and when they dump into the trucks
Not too much
What are you actually cutting, looking at the 'grass' being shown at the start of the video, it doesn't appear to be grass at all?
It is alfalfa hay
@@RockyMountainFarmer Thank you!
Get rid of that setup upgrade to self propelled money well invested
It’s hard to justify when hay really isn’t worth much
How many cows on the dairy?
I think 1200 milking and a few thousand not.
Unbelievable waste somebody needs to shorten the town on that waggon
Man do you guys ever waist a pile of hay with that chopper
It’s not really that much
What a terrible job chopping hey hey half of it is only going in the wagon the other half of Landing on the ground going through all the work and fuel to do it and you guys put it back on the field we need a bigger spot on that chopper going into the wagon needs to be hired
Why don't you bale it up?
Because dairy’s need silage
@@RockyMountainFarmer Oh. Your title says 'hay' so I thought you meant hay.
The other day when you talked about the government shutting down 500,000 acres of potato farmland because of water shortages, did you actually mean what you said or did you mean something else altogether?
I know nothing of what you are doing (I know chopping and bagging silage) but I agree with the previous comment, it looks like you are losing 10-20% of what you are trying to collect. You are rather like the ADM plant here in Decatur. They lost over two million bushel in their processing of corn. Impossible, right????
Adaptaptability the FARMERS middle name. Make it work..... Good Luck. It would be interesting know how many acres you are processing and how many cows you are feeding.
We only have about 280 acres and we don’t own the dairy. But I know that they have to buy other feed to cover their needs.
😮 Way to much lose.
You can’t get it all
meat and potatoes
Yes
Your poll is too long on dump Wogan
Probably
You guys need a Massey hay cutter with 2 set of crimpers. New holland and John Deere have the the worst conditioning area out of all brands
It runs great
looks like you waste more than you save
Not even close
You guys waste too much. Those chopper wagons don't work very well.
It’s not missing much just looks like it.