Everyone who is reading the comments, I encourage you to watch the video through FIRST. I promise you, his positions are going to be completely misrepresented
Reminder: the Chinese industrial working class also has a long history. For example, the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai, which recently built China's third aircraft carrier, can trace its root back to 1865, and its workers famously participated in the republican revolution of 1911. A major problem for contemporary China's class struggle is the discontinuity between the "old" working class, which lived through the past communist revolution and held its tradition, and which can still be found somewhat in today's state-owned sector, and the "new" working class, consisted mainly of first-generation migrants from countryside, which are numerous but heavily fragmented and suppressed.
People have to remember the analysis of China in this video is not the final definitive understanding of current Chinese conditions. Wat this video is a critical look at China that we can use as we try to understand where we are at the moment.
Actually, there is a very good talk of our American comrades (socialist revolution) that deals with the Chinese revolution of 1949 which deals with the processes before, during and after the revolution. I learned quite a lot from this talk
China investing and building the world is a double edged sword. On he ine hand it's imperialist. But on the other, because of Chinese historical worldviews and the ideology of the CPC, it is helping devolope lower economies to a higher standard. One also needs to calculate the fact China needs supply a kiving to over a billion citizens. Which requires it to use its surplus in money and steel for examples. Money being lent and invested for development. Steel to build railways as example.
"It helps develop economies" can be said about every form of imperialism, but it does not make it any less imperialistic. Chinese imperialism, like any other imperialism, does not "raise up" poor nations, but rather keeps them subjugated in a cycle of debt and predatory resource extraction. Sure they will fund factories and stuff, but the smaller nations will not expect to reap the rewards of those investments. The development brought to these countries by imperialism does not serve the growth of the native economy, but the imperialist country that put down the investment. In other words, Chinese factories in Africa create profit for the Chinese investors, not the native economy.
One can't help but look at the diametrically opposing view expressed in this video about China as an Imperialist power. The 'accusations' levelled against China seems to be they have huge companies. So the alternative is to have small companies? In communist/socialist doctrine, does economies of scale not have a place? Note that China has taken extremem measures to curb the power of Tech companies in 2017-18, and property developers in 2022, to great negative impact on its GDP growth. This is precisely to not let Capital becoming unbridled and unregulated. In the meantime, China has raised 700 million people out of poverty in 40 years. Unprecedented in human history. This is a huge socialist accomplishment, but enabled by using capitalist tools. It seems to me, this talk takes a very one-sided perspective of China's economic policies, simply to press home the point that China is Capitalist and Imperialist even. That is one of the problems with the Socialist camp, always ideologically one-eyed, closed-minded and interested in pushing old Marxist agenda. There are other paths in socialism that can bring development and progress. Grow up!
People who need to grow up are those who are deluding themselves, thinking that is good to use capitalist tools to achieve socialism. What are these "capitalist tools", what kind of tools they are, what are the meanings of these "capitalist tools"?! They are technical concrete things(?!), such as hammers, needles, scissors, sickles, knives, combustion engines, electrical motors, welding machines, etc. Or, these capitalist tools are some abstract things (rules) written to divide people on ownership of capital. China is a capitalist imperialist power who needs a never-ending expansion, an infinite growth of their "capitalist tools", like the rest of imperialist powers of the present or the past. These imperialist capitalist powers don't know the meaning of the word stagnation or even the opposite meaning of the word growing or growth. It is not in their capitalist vocabulary. I choose to remain an infantile, one side eye, closed minded socialist, than to grow up.
No, the criticism is not that "they have large companies", but they have large, privately owned, capitalist companies. Far from demanding the breakdown of companies into smaller units, we are generally for larger economic units under worker's control. Ideally, all of production is concentrated in a single state syndicate.
@@Ashley-1917 you completely ignored the latter half of my comment, which adds context to the Chinese approach to economically uplifting a large portion of their population. The insistence that there's only 1 way to make progress strictly adhering to state-owned dogma is the problem I pointed out at the end of my comment above. A lack of pragmatism, and unflinchly insistent on ideological dogma is closed-minded.
You are literally saying that a unipolar world where the West rules without any geopolitical challenges is better than a multipolar world where the Global South at least has a choice?
Once mao-tse-tung advised the new generation of students, " don't forget class struggle." Since notorious deng xio ping who was correctly branded 'capitalist roader' during the great cultural revolution hurriedly dismantled communes, collective farms, distributed land amongest new kulaks in the name of economic development. A socialist country has thus been converted into a capitalist country
Mao knows nothing but class struggle. He don‘t care to improve the living conditions of the average Chinese people. He also extremely lacked basic science education growing up, that’s why he launched the Great Leap Forward and thought farmers can somehow produce iron at home thus killed 20 million people (at least). Deng XiaoPing’s greatest achievement is to put educated people in charge of the country and respect science again. Mao’s greatest evil, is not totalitarianism, but being deeply anti-intellectual. China in the Cultural Revolution is at her lowest IQ in her 4000 years history, all because of Mao’s delusion.
This is so ridiculous ... China is by noe means a capitalist state, not to mention an imperialist one ... The Party controls the capital. The Party allows capital only to the extent it contributes to the Party and the People by developing the productive forces and advance the economy. When it comes to the alleged "imperialism", China have been one of the greatest supporter of all countries of the Global South (in Africa, Latin America and all around Asia). Their trade with other win-win and bilateral, not unilateral, harsh and coercive like the Western counterpart has been. If you _really_ want global socialism you should support the global masses, not only in theory, but also in practice, by supporting strong nations of the Global South that are actually able to defend themselves against the hegemonic US and Western imperialism. It's typical Western leftists (including self-proclaimed marxists) to denounce strong Socialist, anti-imperialists powers of the Global South, by pointing to certain principles, rules or standards that the given country is allegedly not following. All Westerners (including me, coming from Norway) have been infused by an extreme capitalist-imperialist propaganda from early childhood all through our lives, filling us with feelings of superiority, exceptionalism, and both fear and contempt towards peoples, religions and countries of the Global South. We have learned to _accept_ certain aspects of socialist _ideals_, but learned to fear, resent or hate everything about its various practical applications. Even marxists, who oppose the Western _so-called_ "democracy", even they don't accept the various attempts in the Global South on building socialism _because the are infused in the Western narrative_ about China being this cynical, malign great power with predatory plans to conquer the world. Also when it comes to Russia, they blame Russia for "not following the rules" instead of looking at the absolutely real and undeniable military and economic danger it would be in if Ukraine had actually become another puppet regime for the United States. To all the people reading this, I'm begging you: Please align yourself with the global working class, support multipolarity and defend existing socialisms all around the world. This is by noe means an end goal of course, but it's an important _step_ (ending Western/US hegemony, the current greatest impediment to developing socialism) towards the end goal, that is, of course Communism. Be blessed!
Everyone who is reading the comments, I encourage you to watch the video through FIRST. I promise you, his positions are going to be completely misrepresented
are you even a trotskyist revolutionary if youre not completely misrepresented by everybody? 🤔
Reminder: the Chinese industrial working class also has a long history. For example, the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai, which recently built China's third aircraft carrier, can trace its root back to 1865, and its workers famously participated in the republican revolution of 1911.
A major problem for contemporary China's class struggle is the discontinuity between the "old" working class, which lived through the past communist revolution and held its tradition, and which can still be found somewhat in today's state-owned sector, and the "new" working class, consisted mainly of first-generation migrants from countryside, which are numerous but heavily fragmented and suppressed.
The numbers about fdi are very confusing. Once he said 23 percent for the US then 20 percent
The Communist Parties lie all the time about figures and statistics.
People have to remember the analysis of China in this video is not the final definitive understanding of current Chinese conditions.
Wat this video is a critical look at China that we can use as we try to understand where we are at the moment.
China isnt capitalist, it's market simply isn't market socialist to soviet standards
Now do a video on communist china.
I'm sure there'd be one if there was a "communist china."
China is stateless and monyeless? Since when?
That's your definition of communism?
@@orphaotheseeker2770 Did I say that?
Did I say china achieved communism?
Actually, there is a very good talk of our American comrades (socialist revolution) that deals with the Chinese revolution of 1949 which deals with the processes before, during and after the revolution. I learned quite a lot from this talk
China investing and building the world is a double edged sword. On he ine hand it's imperialist. But on the other, because of Chinese historical worldviews and the ideology of the CPC, it is helping devolope lower economies to a higher standard.
One also needs to calculate the fact China needs supply a kiving to over a billion citizens. Which requires it to use its surplus in money and steel for examples. Money being lent and invested for development. Steel to build railways as example.
"It helps develop economies" can be said about every form of imperialism, but it does not make it any less imperialistic. Chinese imperialism, like any other imperialism, does not "raise up" poor nations, but rather keeps them subjugated in a cycle of debt and predatory resource extraction. Sure they will fund factories and stuff, but the smaller nations will not expect to reap the rewards of those investments. The development brought to these countries by imperialism does not serve the growth of the native economy, but the imperialist country that put down the investment.
In other words, Chinese factories in Africa create profit for the Chinese investors, not the native economy.
@@Ashley-1917great answer
@@Ashley-1917你说的对，因为社会主义是国家政体，只服务于本国人民，你不可能指望社会主义国家对别国也是社会主义😂，除非全世界大同，都是社会主义，那人类才能往共产主义迈进，国与国之间才能真正的和平互助，否则指望社会主义中国无偿帮助弱国只是一种幻想，这样相当于敌对的国家削弱了中国。美国的同志们你们的勇气我很佩服，但是革命是要流血的，建议你们参考毛泽东的理论，虽然不一定符合美国的国情，但是可以指导你们武装斗争，否则你们的革命带有妥协性会失败的，也很容易被人利用。
@@施炫 算了，人家左左根本不在意了，就是一定要中国变成托派。中国人永远应该先是中国人，再是别的
One can't help but look at the diametrically opposing view expressed in this video about China as an Imperialist power.
The 'accusations' levelled against China seems to be they have huge companies. So the alternative is to have small companies? In communist/socialist doctrine, does economies of scale not have a place? Note that China has taken extremem measures to curb the power of Tech companies in 2017-18, and property developers in 2022, to great negative impact on its GDP growth. This is precisely to not let Capital becoming unbridled and unregulated. In the meantime, China has raised 700 million people out of poverty in 40 years. Unprecedented in human history. This is a huge socialist accomplishment, but enabled by using capitalist tools.
It seems to me, this talk takes a very one-sided perspective of China's economic policies, simply to press home the point that China is Capitalist and Imperialist even. That is one of the problems with the Socialist camp, always ideologically one-eyed, closed-minded and interested in pushing old Marxist agenda. There are other paths in socialism that can bring development and progress. Grow up!
Found the reformist trash.
People who need to grow up are those who are deluding themselves, thinking that is good to use capitalist tools to achieve socialism. What are these "capitalist tools", what kind of tools they are, what are the meanings of these "capitalist tools"?! They are technical concrete things(?!), such as hammers, needles, scissors, sickles, knives, combustion engines, electrical motors, welding machines, etc. Or, these capitalist tools are some abstract things (rules) written to divide people on ownership of capital.
China is a capitalist imperialist power who needs a never-ending expansion, an infinite growth of their "capitalist tools", like the rest of imperialist powers of the present or the past.
These imperialist capitalist powers don't know the meaning of the word stagnation or even the opposite meaning of the word growing or growth. It is not in their capitalist vocabulary.
I choose to remain an infantile, one side eye, closed minded socialist, than to grow up.
The ideas is to have zero companies. Hense communism .
No, the criticism is not that "they have large companies", but they have large, privately owned, capitalist companies. Far from demanding the breakdown of companies into smaller units, we are generally for larger economic units under worker's control. Ideally, all of production is concentrated in a single state syndicate.
@@Ashley-1917 you completely ignored the latter half of my comment, which adds context to the Chinese approach to economically uplifting a large portion of their population. The insistence that there's only 1 way to make progress strictly adhering to state-owned dogma is the problem I pointed out at the end of my comment above. A lack of pragmatism, and unflinchly insistent on ideological dogma is closed-minded.
how can the CCP be criticised for allowing the
CPR to re deploy venture Capital back into the Chinese economy?
Congratulations.
You are literally saying that a unipolar world where the West rules without any geopolitical challenges is better than a multipolar world where the Global South at least has a choice?
Excellent analysis about china,s roll in the world but we want to know more what is happening inside China...
To be fair that's quite hard to find news on china in general, especially news that does not embrace either the CCP or the CIA point of view.
Great speech!
"the Stalinists praise it as a socialist motherland"
Certainly such grotesque strawmen are part of scientific understanding?
错得离谱，怪不得这么失败
Once mao-tse-tung advised the new generation of students, " don't forget class struggle." Since notorious deng xio ping who was correctly branded 'capitalist roader' during the great cultural revolution hurriedly dismantled communes, collective farms, distributed land amongest new kulaks in the name of economic development. A socialist country has thus been converted into a capitalist country
Mao knows nothing but class struggle. He don‘t care to improve the living conditions of the average Chinese people. He also
extremely lacked basic science education growing up, that’s why he launched the Great Leap Forward and thought farmers can somehow produce iron at home thus killed 20 million people (at least). Deng XiaoPing’s greatest achievement is to put educated people in charge of the country and respect science again.
Mao’s greatest evil, is not totalitarianism, but being deeply anti-intellectual. China in the Cultural Revolution is at her lowest IQ in her 4000 years history, all because of Mao’s delusion.
This is so ridiculous ... China is by noe means a capitalist state, not to mention an imperialist one ... The Party controls the capital. The Party allows capital only to the extent it contributes to the Party and the People by developing the productive forces and advance the economy. When it comes to the alleged "imperialism", China have been one of the greatest supporter of all countries of the Global South (in Africa, Latin America and all around Asia). Their trade with other win-win and bilateral, not unilateral, harsh and coercive like the Western counterpart has been.
If you _really_ want global socialism you should support the global masses, not only in theory, but also in practice, by supporting strong nations of the Global South that are actually able to defend themselves against the hegemonic US and Western imperialism. It's typical Western leftists (including self-proclaimed marxists) to denounce strong Socialist, anti-imperialists powers of the Global South, by pointing to certain principles, rules or standards that the given country is allegedly not following. All Westerners (including me, coming from Norway) have been infused by an extreme capitalist-imperialist propaganda from early childhood all through our lives, filling us with feelings of superiority, exceptionalism, and both fear and contempt towards peoples, religions and countries of the Global South. We have learned to _accept_ certain aspects of socialist _ideals_, but learned to fear, resent or hate everything about its various practical applications. Even marxists, who oppose the Western _so-called_ "democracy", even they don't accept the various attempts in the Global South on building socialism _because the are infused in the Western narrative_ about China being this cynical, malign great power with predatory plans to conquer the world. Also when it comes to Russia, they blame Russia for "not following the rules" instead of looking at the absolutely real and undeniable military and economic danger it would be in if Ukraine had actually become another puppet regime for the United States.
To all the people reading this, I'm begging you: Please align yourself with the global working class, support multipolarity and defend existing socialisms all around the world. This is by noe means an end goal of course, but it's an important _step_ (ending Western/US hegemony, the current greatest impediment to developing socialism) towards the end goal, that is, of course Communism. Be blessed!