Mizuno MEGA JPX923 IRONS ALL Models Compare WHICH Suits you BEST
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2023
- Mizuno MEGA JPX923 IRONS ALL Models Compare WHICH Suits you BEST. Hot Metal, Hot Metal Pro, Hot Metal High Launch, Forged and the Tour all put Head to Head and explained which of these irons best suits which golfer, taking Speed and Forgiveness into account.
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by far the best reviewer out there...nobody else takes that many swings per club and provides this much data
Thanks very much for the kind feedback Eric 👍
Outstanding video! Appreciate the work you put in…you are a unicorn in mentioning that someone with a low handicapper may not necessarily have a high swing speed. I’m a 7 HCP and my 7 iron swing speed is low 80s. When I saw Mizuno came out with the HL I was excited. However, after hitting it, I can’t play it…it’s way too big for me and the offset is massive…I grew up learning on a set of Chi Chi Rodriguez blades and have trouble hitting more game improvement type clubs…I was fitted and purchased a set of 923 HMP and they are very big for me and I tend to hit it all over the face giving me up to 30 yards difference in carries…So, went the other direction and got fitted for the 221s and absolutely love them. I hit them so much better than all the others I’ve tried (including the 223 and 225)…I just wish they made something in this size with a little more zip…my 7 irons are going about 145 or so, which I don’t mind, but more importantly, the 221s give me a much better landing angle, closer to 47 degrees, over the HMPs which is around 43…hopefully someday the tech will be there to make a hot MB version of the 221s, sort of like Titleist did with the T100 and T100s!! (I played the T100s for a while and they are great)….but love my Mizzies…
I can confirm that the HL are a superb iron after just using mine for the first time last weekend, the hype is real. I can swing from low 70's up to 80mph with 7 iron depending on how I'm feeling on the day so I went with these, even after being recommended the standard Hot Metal by a club fitter. I'm so happy I went with my gut feeling & checked the ego at the door ( went 6i-gw with DG105 regular). Great review & overall content, really enjoying the channel. 👍⛳
Fitter should have definitely explained the benefits of the HL and also pitfalls in a balanced way. I'm glad you are happy with your choice 👍
Hi Jay Brilliant 80mph swing speed 👍, wanted to update you with my Driver & fairways Fittings tried out Para/dym Ping Max HL TM Stealth 2 & TSR1 🤔, The TSR1 out performed all others tested with 184carry 206total and 1932spin👍at 81mph swing speed (+15yds on my Rogue) so bought it after 2nd fitting in 12deg loft have played a couple of times with it and Delighted with it👍, also got TSR1 5Wood, Ping G430 7 Wood, and TRS1 23deg Hybrid (all tested on Foresight monitor) Thanks for all your help Dickey 9hcp 76year senior golfer
Good video, I like that you slow your swing down.
It's not the easiest thing to do but I do think it's important to listen to the viewers as many request doing such tests at a more representative speed 👍
Brilliant and comprehensive comparison, Respect👍👍
The many choices within the JPX range really highlights the need to get Custom Fit
So so important, especially as in most cases the product itself is the same cost regardless of custom fitted or bought off the rack. People would never spend a $1000 on a suit off the hanger when the you could have the same suit fitted to you for the same suit cost 🤔🤷 custom fitting can not only give an understanding of your fitting requirements but a better understanding of your golf swing 👍
@@AskGolfNut Totally agree👍👍
As a Mizuno nerd a truly appreciate this videos. Im currently playing forged G-7 and HL 6-5.
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
Did you bend the HL loft at all to blend?
If you’re thinking of 923s
Go for fitting.
Shaft weight is key.
I’ve gone to 4 different fitters now.
Finally picked a fitter with outdoor range with trackman.
Fitting before this had me in xp 95 shafts in rogue st max.
Getting older and neck arthritis, wanted to go graphite option.
Ended up in i110 steelfiber. Good balance of both.
These are the bomb.
Always best review!!😀
Absolutely agree 100% 👍😂😂
Could you do something similar to this review for the TaylorMade lineup? Thanks very much
I am about to renew my iron set… Mizuno was not in my radar at all… I was looking at the p770 and the I230… from my p790 (Gen 1)… I really want to give a try to the 923!
Great comparison of the 923's. I have been drooling over these for awhile now and if I can talk my better half into it I will be getting them soon. I am a senior golfer with a slooow swing speed. I have been using some super game improvement irons that just won't hold a green for any reason so the HL is in my radar.
Definitely worth while testing if your head speed is lower than 80 mph...... Depending on club delivery it'll have differing results, some gain quite a lot 👍
If you are successful with the "talk with your better half", could I get you to "talk" with mine, please? Mine seems to be under the impression that a holiday celebrating a "significant" Birthday (for her) is more important that new clubs for me, "better halves" can be so selfish at times😉😉
Holidays last for days, golf clubs lasts for years...... I know, which one is the better value for money 😂😂😂
@@AskGolfNut Good point, I will try that one on MrsBandit and report back
@@AskGolfNut 🤔How long your second half may remember a bad Holliday? May be as long as your clubs? :)
I would echo his comment about getting fitted for the right head. AND, don’t think bigger is always better. I am about a 7HCP, but getting a little older (54), had 2 hip replacements, back issues, etc., and had always played more of a blade/MB in my younger days. After a 3 year hiatus for my second hip replacement I was back, but slower, so figured I needed more help with speed and decided to get professionally fitted. I told the fitter I needed more distance help and I didn’t care about the brand. I hit just about every player distance and game improvement iron out there. We settled (key word here), on the Titleist T200 irons. Played them for 6 months and absolutely hated it…they performed well, but the sound/feel was terrible. Then, after doing some testing on my own, wound up with Titleist T100s irons and immediately everything was better…but, missed my old Mizunos (MP 69/59 blended set). So, went to get fitted for Mizzies and did the same thing (I need distance)…got fitted for JPX 923 HMPs. Great club, but the club just appeared huge to me and I had a tough time with consistency…thought I might need a bigger club…tried the HM and HL…worse…then, just for S&G, we tried the 225…223…221s….out of all of them, I hit the 221s most consistently. So, I’m not bombing my 7 iron 165 (closer to 145), but I hit this consistent and accurately and haven’t looked back…so, yes, get fitted, but also, don’t limit yourself…I was shocked how forgiving modern blades are (there really aren’t any blades out there anymore…the 221s are a MB and the JPX tour a CB - same with most other brands)…and they feel amazing!!!I still have both sets (JPX 921 HMP and 221s). Hoping to be able to play the HMPs some day…I was the last of my buddies to go to the 460cc driver head…just seemed like a clown club to me for years…
Cool, I have a choice to make
Be interesting to see what your DNA numbers are and how that marries with the right head 👍
great review Jay....have a super day.... cheers from Canada
It's nearly bed time here 😊😊
@@AskGolfNut its 2:45 pm here
Nearly 10pm here..... This bloomin world clock will never catch on 😁
@@AskGolfNut what day are you going live and what time your time ? 7 hours difference i think
Another subscriber said that TXG do their live streams on a Monday so I might choose Tuesdays as wouldn't want to clash. I'll release a video as an update for a settled time and date. Reaching everyone is difficult with the time differences 👍
Would love to see a P7MC, cobra Tour and 923 Tour comparison
Hi Jack, as soon I can get around to doing the Cobra stuff I'll gladly do some comparisons 👍
With 45 degrees descent angle being key ro holding greens, the only 2 irons recommended for a slow swinger are the HL and Tour which just grab 45 degrees descent?
Another quality video
Thanks Gary, that one took one heck of a while to edit down to a manageable duration 😊
@@AskGolfNut well it’s fair to say nobody on Utube does the spec on golf clubs better than you so it’s time we’ll spent and most grateful for it . I myself was particular interested in this one as I’m looking to go Mizuno possibly forged but will go and try as I have before chosen an iron only to get fitted into something else more suitable . Keep up the great content it’s most appreciated 👌🏻
Great review! I love my Mizuno's and am ready to upgrade from the 919's to the 923's. Does shaft weight make a difference? I have a 105gm shaft now, but thinking of getting a 95gm NS Pro with my new 923 forged.
Can make a big difference depending on the golfer. Best to get fitted using the Swing DNA tool and then communicate with the fitter your thoughts on shaft weight to then blend the 2 factors, weight and bend profile 👍
Hey Jay......so out of all your driver testing which Driver are you putting in the bag ??? Is it the Mizuno ST-Z 230 ?.....cheers
My Brother has the JPX 923 Hot Metal and have to say if you are Mid Handicap Player these are great option. They have very good Distant and Forgiveness and they are Sexy looking Club. Also I noticed 7 Iron and Higher the Spin Rate are fantastic. I personally have Callaway Rogue St MAX OS and currently 15 Handicap and like the Spin Rate on JPX 923 over MAX OS. But like the Distant I get with MAX OS over the JPX. I do like the Feedback in Feel you get when you miss hit Club with JPX 923 over MAX OS. Can't go wrong with either one just make sure you get the Right Shaft based on your Swing Speed. I personally Prefer Iron Shaft over Graphite but I know with the right Graphite Shaft you can get more Distant if needed.
If you are interested in where the clubheads are made it's worth noting that only the forged heads are made in Japan. The cast clubheads are made in China. Purchased JPX 921 hot metals a couple of years ago and was disappointed to find made in China stickers on the clubheads. Only the shafts were made in Japan. That being said, I've been satisfied with the clubs.
have to say i am a bit miffed that MZ hasn't made the Forged and Tour more blendable without the use of the original PlayDoh bending factory!!! I'm not a 100% ball flusher but i'm decent and love the Tours but want something between the Tour and Forged lofts.........playing Titlesit 150s but am in total LUST with the feel of the Mizuno tours......
Low swing speed of 65mph but decent handicap of 11 but am getting old do you think I should be looking at graphite shafts and by the way always great reviews
Hi Stephen, most probably at that speed but I'd book a season on the Swing DNA Shaft Analyser and find out exactly what bend profile you need against what you like the feel of 👍
Been testing my driver set-up over the past 18 months and it seems my best yet is a Paradym Triple Diamond at 9 degrees with a Ventus Black Velocore 5X at D9. Shocked at the swing weight but I hit 12/13 fairwayish drives the other day so she's a keeper. 😅
All this to say that swing weight is very very important for graphite shafted clubs.
This has what to do with Mizuno JPX 923 irons exactly?? 🤷♂️
All are welcome 👍 in response, swing weight is important with all clubs, possibly most felt with Driver due to the speed and length of the club. Finding the balance is key to applying a repeated action 👍
@@markl577 Sorry, stream of thought post. My iron swing weight is around D5. This might not be possible from the Mizuno factory with many graphite shafts at standard length. That's the point. Plan your purchase very carefully because your specs might not be available.
@@AskGolfNut Yes, I realized that my swing weight might not be possible at standard length in graphite. So my next Mizuno set may have to be 1/2" long to get to D5 or I may need a weight screw iron like Ping or PXG.
Fantastic compare as usual. Have you considered doing a "least functional clubhead speed", efficiency dropoff at 20 mm toe / 10 mm heel / 10 mm low for the clubs that you review? Would give a pretty graphic in the compare videos, and you always seem to produce this mishits in your reviews anyways.
My poor hands and fingers if you want me to do a comparison of miss hits 😂😂 might be an interesting take though 👍
@@AskGolfNut My point is you always have those mishits anyways. My suggestion was just to jot them down in a spreadsheet 🥦. We want your hands and fingers intact for the next releases thank you very much, so just use what you have, even if it's not on the millimeter. The lower functional speed might require a few hits extra though.
Jay, great review, have 78-80 mph 7iron speed. Want forgiveness but don’t like big offset or junky, what do, do you think if hot metal pro 2 degrees weak makes sense? Thanks Ron , keep up the great work.
Could do that Ron, but without being able to change the CG of the head, all that might happen would be messing about with the bounce and offset. High Launch options have to be achieved by one of 2 ways, 1, slightly larger head design with lower further back CG, or 2 same head design but lighter construction (head and shaft combo) to move the mass faster, create more head speed, thus ball speed to increase peak height and land angle. The later though has the effect of lowering the forgiveness level of the iron and can make it somewhat unstable. Really the only true way to make a HL head design is to use the 1st option..... The negative of that though unfortunately is the increase in head dimensions 👍
@@AskGolfNut Jay, thanks for the very thorough explanation. Ron
I do not understand why the Pro has les spin, less angle on the green… may stick less near the flag?… the HM seems the best of the 3!
Disappointed with Mizuno demo/ fitting. Advised swing analyser software not functional since last software update, January 23. So got what you call a “bumper car” shaft fitting using Trackman. Balls were a shag bag of a variety of ball and measured with TrackMan! What’s your view?
My reply didn't seem to have gone through so I'll try and remember what I said before 😊
I used my software this week so definitely absolutely no problem with the software or analysis tool. Unfortunately many a time, incompetencies within the fitter blames software to hardware issues. Any time you have tools that enhance the experience of the client, it depends on the fitter/professional spending the time to know how it works intimately. This in my experience with the number of peoples comments is seldom frequent 😕 couple that with the ball side of things and not being able to complete the fitting using your own gamer ball would have made me want to walk out. Was it a paid for or free fitting? I guess it's an excuse to hit on a launch monitor but by using all different kinds and types of ball in the shag bag, that alone will create inconsistent results 😭🤦🤦
@@AskGolfNut This was a free demo day but the recommendations were handed to the shop pro. The only positive is that I have a demo club to try in our links simulators with my own gamer ball. However I feel this is not a club fit as no lie angle, shaft length or other metrics were measured, unless trackman does this. As I say, disappointed. Thanks for taking time to reply.
Nope trackman wouldn't measure that. It's something that has to be done dynamically or by using a launch monitor such as GCQuad that measures it directly. Try to stay away from lie boards as they do that very thing unfortunately...... lie 🤥 👍
@@AskGolfNut Thanks for your honesty. Will now and try to source a decent fitting locally. 👍
why have everything in Millimetres but offset in inches? like .16 and .22 of an inch... that would be the best numbers to have in mm.
It would I agree. Some manufacturers do actually measure it in mm but not all. We are still in a time of transitioning measurements, so at one point hopefully we'll all be using the same unit of measurement 😊
I ended up getting the hot metals with a dg 105 r300 shaft, love the feel of them and if they went any higher there going to the moon, I'm still trying to get used to how light they feel and I sometimes i pull right on my not so good strikes ( lefty), I'm a tad concerned how well there going to hold up cosmetic wise though after only using once on the range I noticed a very tiny amount of the shiny chrome at the bottom chipped away from my 5 iron, maybe it was like that from factory I dunno but it's concerning how battered they might look after afew rounds, guess Ill find out
Hi Anthony, not something that I have heard a lot of people questioning (the chroming). I know that sods law says someone will get a dud qc head at some point. But more often 99.9% of the time it's been 2 clubs coming into contact with each other. Obviously 1 would be Mizunos job to fix (that's why it's imperative to ensure a full inspection of the product is conducted on arrival) and then the other obviously is the owners. Too many people (seen it soooo many times) drop their clubs into the bag if even from a few inches and it's just bad luck how to clubs come together at that angle and chip a piece off or dent an edge.
Really unfortunately unless you know which one it is, the only thing you can do is try to keep the small ding clean and dry. 👍
Yeah it's like scratching a new car really frustrating but it is small I could sort of see how it would get passed qc, I'm going to monitor it and if more of the shiny paint starts flaking away I'll take it back, I've tried to get it in my head that there going to get beat up eventually on the course through so trying to not let it bother me, it's only the 5 iron that's done it and I do try to be as careful as possible taking clubs in and out but unfortunately my bag doesn't have full length dividers :( if I had know about them at the time of getting a new bag I would have made sure It had full length
Do you have twitter ? I'll send a picture of it and see what you think
Did you post a picture on the Mizuno Facebook page?
@@AskGolfNut not Facebook page no, I did post one on the twitter page
What would you recommend for around 15 handicap?
Handicap rating to determine head choice is very much an old school or easy answer reply, really it's to do with the quality of strike the golfer has, the requirements for forgiveness linked to the Golfer's strike pattern and their launch needs. All the heads have different characteristics, so it's very much so a more complex answer than whatever the handicap is of the golfer 👍
Thanks
Which one better for 20 handicap? Thanks
Good question, what's your requirements from an iron? What's your strike tendencies? Do you need more distance? Do you want more height? Do you want a better feeling iron.... There are so many different reasons as to which club any particular handicap would need/have. 👍
Very good point 👍👍
Would it be accurate to assume that the dispersion would be better with the tour for high speed players that struggle with the odd flyer/pull/push?
Absolutely, but that's really only relative to loft 👍 if you were to match lofts then you'd find actually the dispersion differences are minimal. Biggest difference is the loft gaps for hither swing speeds, so the distance irons would create far too big a gap 👍
Jay is a ROBOT !!
I wish I was... Would make testing quicker 😁
I play the 923 tour and it’s fantastic. Ball flight is very high and they’re very workable as well. You need some speed to play them but if you’re a good ball striker above 90 mph, these are the best option out there. Surprisingly forgiving as well
His other video showed it was several millimeters more forgiving than the MP blades with the same lofts and feel.