Alec; NOOOOO! Please, stop! Ahhh, it hurts! You can't/shouldn't work meteorite as is - it needs to be incorporated into other, more homogenized steel. Working with meteorite, you either need to grind it into a powder before forge welding in a canister weld, or the way traditional katanas are made, with little thin bits and pieces all wrapped up together and slooooooooooowly, paaaaaaaaaatiently, work it into a solid nugget at welding heat. Once it starts to stay together, add known steel to it and again.... slooooooooooooooowly, liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly, work it down till it all binds together. You literally need hours of just lightly tapping away at it to consolidate a billet that can take any kind of abuse. Only then you have a chance of making anything out of it. If made into a blade and etched, it will have a pattern more similar to wootz than damascus steel, and the contrast wont be as clear... but what the hell, you'll have a fuggen' space sword! But you'll need a high carbon edge laminated into it, because any carbon is long gone from all that heating up to welding temp. Oh, and any time you heat it up, drown that sucker in copious amounts of borax. Anyone who reads this, please upvote it, so Alec doesn't miss it before it's too late!
Yeah, meteorite is not good material from the start. You need to slowly refine it by forging it. Of course it can also be done by simply melting it and burning all the impurities away, but it is not how it was done in pre-iron age.
That meteorite appears to have too many inclusions and impurities . May have more luck by putting it into a crucible to burn out the impurities and start with a clean ignot.
Also, this would be closer to elemental iron with impurities and inclusions that a low-grade steel, as others have said. I wonder if he considered that when he was working it? As well, in the basic formation of the rock, there would be pretty large crystals. I wonder if that is why it was crumbling so much.
while I agree that what you suggested is prolly the only real way to get good working steel out of that material Im guessing that if you did that then in the end it wouldnt be very special. I mean after doing what you said it would just be normal steel. I think the point is to limit as much as possible adding other metal. i do suggest adding good steel to it. maybe laminating it and making a form of damascas. spelling bad there sorry.
it could also be alien junk that we think it is so precious imagine an alien blacksmith forging some of the space junk the we got rid of and thinking it is worth something
Meteorite: *Flying at extremely high speed, smashing into other meteorites, then goes through the atmosphere and smashes into the Earth* Alec: Hits the meteorite with a hammer Meteorite: *Falls Apart*
Yo!! what the hell?? I've come back 5 years into UA-cam history and this guy seems older? His voice is deeper too 😂😂😂😂 I'm dying right now I wasn't ready 😭😭
as a geologist I can tell you what the problem is, Iron meteorites have a very large crystalline structure, that's what gives it that remarkable texture when etched. to work it you need to get a smaller crystalline structure to it which means melting and reforming the material. you will also want to add carbon to make it steel and a good bit of flux to clean up the silica inclusions, what you wound up with at the end was wrought iron. the nickel and other impurities will make it an interesting alloy.
To be fair the point of the video was trying to forge the meteorite on its own. If he added things to it to make it more workable it wouldn't really be forging a meteorite anymore.
"Im collecting meteorites for ~20 years... the biggest I found is slightly larger then a gulf ball... and this guy is abusing the biggest one I see in private hands....
I've seen a couple big on s trade hands in the knife making circles, people forge them into Damascus sometimes. I've seen them with tons of layers to better homogenize the metal.
Hi Alec, the trouble with meteor is it is essentially an iron bloom, at least it acts the same way, and must be treated the same way. It has to be compacted and welded together first, which you tried, but the reason it didn't work out is you were trying to weld it too cold. Iron and steel have far different welding temperatures, iron welds at a white heat. Anything less and you're just trying to smoosh it together by force. Cheers and good luck!
Wolf's Den Forge your right on. Therefore able eliminate any impurities that will effect the consolidation, it should still keep the coloration before you make it truly forgeable for a great Damascus.
Concur with the above. Working it too cold too much before consolidating. It's essentially a bloom and needs to be worked (fold and weld, fold and weld) to homogenize and consolidate.
@Ishmam Masud - Cuz I Can Well native canadian and alaskan people demonstrably did work meteoric metal. Its not just a theory, they have the artifacts to prove it.
Nah you just need to select the right parts of it to work. Even when the Japanese make their katana iron they only choose the best bits, and melt the rest for general use
It would still be meteoric alloy.... just missing the inclusions that long forging eventually removes (all of the sparks and scale). Melting would separate the quartz, etc from the metal alloy...
Honestly guys, you don't need to melt it to drive out the impurities. Slicing it, stacking it and working it as if it were a bloom, would allow the impurities to come out. In fact, it may well be cleaner than bloomery steel. Thats exactly how wrought iron is made, and steel was until the crucible method was rediscovered. Japanese bladesmithing was mentioned. Yes, the different parts of the bloom were used for different parts of each blade, but the Japanese also didn't have the technology to melt iron or steel in a crucible. They worked blooms same as the Europeans did.
Alec- you have to melt the meteorite and separate the impure elements of it before attempting a forge. Get a crucible, hack it to bits, set the bits into the crucible, heat it until it melts and then trace off the waste from the top. After it cools only the metallic elements will remain and then it can be forged
That is exactly what he was supposed to do. Putting a carbon compound in there would have given a stronger steel alloy; putting sand or glass in the crucible would have helped draw out the impurities into the by product called "Slag" ... no not the slang for swearing; "slag" is an actual term used in the making of steel.
The "silicate inclusions" would have helped to draw out the impurities from the iron/carbon alloy if he made crucible steel from this meteorite. He wold have still had to use light hammering thought to hammer out the resulting "puck".
I'm thinking of brisingr(not sure if the spelling is right). man at arms make brisingr iut of meteorite and laminated it with tamahagane (japanese bloom steel) so it won't crumble. the reason the meteorite breaks apart even with the lightest blows because phosporus and cobalt is bad for steel so you need to laminate is with other steel alloys
Dawson Germano I’ve heard that Meteorites are not easy to forge. However, I would crush the meteorite with a masonry hammer and use the broken pieces as an ore. I’d make a feudal Japanese smelter and mix the meteorite chunks with bits of limonite. And when the contents are melted, I’d have a good little piece of tamehagane or bloom steel composed of space iron
With only having watched this one video... if you're ever able to get anymore of this material, try breaking it down into small enough pieces that it can be smelted into "space tamahagane" before forging it.
Alec, you need to forge the entire piece on the power hammer, flatten it, quench it, then break the hardened prices into tiny chunks. Then stack them up and forge weld them back together, much like a traditional Katana is made. Cheers mate
That's what I was thinking. He'd have to forge out the impurities and add some carbon. I think traditionally they use burned rushes or charcoal to add carbon?
I don't know if meteorite metal would be hardenable like that, but that is the basic idea, yea. Then once you have it all forged into a billet, use a hardenable steel bit or carbonize the edge.
This is what I like about your channel. You'll literally give anything a crack of the whip. Sometimes trying things out first hand is the best way to learn. Irrespective if what you were trying to do ends up in failure.
That meteor has hurtled through the solar system, waved at planets, sling-shotted around the sun, survived the intense heat of passing through Earth's atmosphere at breakneck speeds..just so it could become...a leaf.
A meteorite is crap material. Trying to forge it into something useful is nearly impossible. There's a reason why there has been millennia of Metallurgy on this planet
I think he was trying to stay in the spirit of the video. You can technically melt down and purify any source. If he did that, could he say he forged a meteorite? I wouldn't think so, he would have merely extracted the metal he wanted and then forged something in metal... It's more of an entertainment/experimentation video.
problem with that olhor is that many metals just don't want to alloy together n that is the inevitable nature of crappy space rocks, for whatever reason they land here and do nothing but provide an oddity value and nothing more :/ But it was my first thought too, to simply melt a whole piece together, melt it super hot so it'll be liquid and just cast it as something because you're never going to be able to get an alloy, best you can get is a nice polished piece of melted rock.
It's so brittle. I'd say the only hope of getting something solid out of it would be to smelt it and get rid of the obvious weaker metals, and who know what sort of alloy you'd be stuck with in the end. But it would be a nightmare none the less. It's very interesting though, thank you for this!
@@notadaytrader were they? Been a while since I watched this, but it seemed to be pretty hard to work with modern equipment.. I can't imagine primitive equipment cracked the riddle of this brittle alloy.
@@Easyflux well not to make it sound like every pre-iron civilization was doing it, but for example, the Egyptian Boy King Tutankhamun, had a set of daggers in his tomb, one of which is of meteoric origin. Here are some others I found quickly: sheet-iron beads from Gerzeh in Egypt, dated to 3200 B.C.; an ax from Ugarit on the coast of northern Syria, dated to 1400 B.C.; a dagger from Alaça Höyük in Turkey, dated to 2500 B.C.; and three iron objects from Tutankhamun's tomb, dated to 1350 B.C. - a dagger, a bracelet and a headrest. Any iron artifact dated to before roughly 1200-930BC, is highly likely from space.
I was looking for this comment. I heard a meteorite is worth big big cash because it my have elements not of this earth. I believe this video I bullshit.
Thousands of years ago in some areas of Africa, the only metal they could find was meteorite metal. They believed that since they came from space and because of how much effort that would go into making blades with it, they believed that the blades would be able to kill demons. Just a little fun fact for you guys
It seems to me like Alec and this meteor rock is having an intense argument while forging. With every hammer blow Alec strikes it says: "BE FORGED!" And the meteor is not wanna cooperate and responds: " I have been an meteor for billions of years, you really think I am going to move that easy? But through some cozy heats and some gently hammering this man and this rock gets to know eachother. And finally the meteor accepts Alecs request and says: "Fine! I will let you forged something, go ahead and make a leaf!" Great video, this rock has a lot of character.
I would love a collab with Cody's Lab to refine the meteorite for ease of forging but I love that you really tried to make it work with the raw material
Try using the meteorite like tamahagane bloom steel and try using your hydraulic press. Watching you work the material it reminded me of what the beginning stages of what tamahagane steel looked like.
Smelting is the way to go if you want to make sure the material is solid and won't break apart upon forging it. The only problem is you lose all the cool designs that run through the meteor.
If he melted it the different metals would have sat in different levels of the crucible sense they have different densities. So after pouring the metals in the mold it could separate, and then cool at different rates causing an inconsistent layering
@@jacobstier9816 wouldn't necessarily separate. The longer the metal is held at the different melting temperatures undisturbed it could separate or cause grain problems, but it is possible to make a homogeneous alloy from a meteorite . I had a Damascus blade that was half meteorite until my house was broken into and it was stolen! Also saw a wakizashi that was part meteorite. There are also different types of meteorites with different compositions that may have worked better. I didn't think he would be able to forge it after I saw the etched surface. One with a Widmanstatten pattern might have been successful.
swords made with "star stones" have been used as part swords in the UK for centuries. I is necessary to hammer it under heat to make fragments to stack, like making a traditional Katana would.Then stack and forge a bit at a time. Look, ua-cam.com/video/K_PS2l31EhM/v-deo.html , Carbonisation: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSU4k
I was thinking exactly the same. The whole Tamahagane thing seems incredibly similar, although the impurities here are of course a load of 'weird' metals, not the usual slag.
was thinking of writing this exact same thing when i saw your comment. In several ways metorite metal is similar to bloom steel, so it makes sence to treat it in a similar fashion
Sorry folks, not a meteorite. The absence of the Widmanstätten pattern in section is a dead giveaway. All nickel-iron meteorites have this, and this didn’t.
Tony Ficarra he should use the traditional method of forging katanas. The impure japanese iron needed to be stacked in brittle pieces and forge welded together with charcoal to mix carbon into it, creating steel
@@user-mh2bw4hu3o indeed. Plus, you know damn well that the meteorite that proves extraterrestrial life is sitting in a private collection someplace never to be examined by scientific means. All for some rich man's vanity.
LOL this is how I always imagined an elf kid from some Gondolin smithy, sort of youthfully giving it all to the forge with glee and a big grin and lots of passion. This channel is mesmerizing! Keep forging Alec!
Not only does the file cut the meteorite. It cuts your meaty hand as well. I have to advise you not to attempt forging your hand. If you try to forge your hand, you'll just ruin it.
Well, seeing human flesh is mostly made of carbon with a few volatile (they will evaporate when heated) compounds, all you will get is high carbon steel. High carbon steel has it's uses, but as it is quite brittle, using it to make something to hit something is not going to give good results.
If you could work the meteor into pieces, you can attempt the Japanese way of forge welding, putting the pieces all arranged on a sort of paddle made of the metal, wrapped in cloth and grass to keep oxides from forming on the surface, and draw it into its own billet. From there, you could then use it like a jacket if it's just Iron or a low-carbon steel, and put a high-carbon steel wedge in it to make a blade from.
Hi Alec I would love reffering you to a video by Man At Arms where they make a Katana the traditional way (and no this is not a jab at your Katana, that thing looked effing cool and the work you put in there was simply amazing!) They make their own steel and it reminds me a lot of the meteorite cause it behaves a little like bloom steel. They go at it very slow and try folding the steel a lot of times before they go to the power hammer. (Oh for further reference in the video they make Kill Bills Katana)
Hey, I believe this is the video you were mentioning, just thought i'd be of help by adding a link. Its interesting because he uses the meterorite as a layer in a damascus billet which helps with the crumbling. ua-cam.com/video/DITY1WzbLj8/v-deo.html
lsubslimed MAN I WIIIISH hahahaha that'd be the funnest uncle to be with EVER ... or not you know ... I don't think even an uncle can forgive you messing up a 4000$+ knife :'(
Original damascus blend steel that is now lost to history due to the family’s generational knowledge being lost. It is said that there is meteorite in the blend just like some Egyptian ceremonial daggers.
Hey Alec! Could you do a crucible steel experiment at some point? The pattern on it can turn out insane and would make an interesting project to film and see.
Man at arm's Sokka's meteorite sword. They use space metal to make the sword but they have the sword covered with a steel outer layer with the meteorite core
travailed light years thru space entered the atmosphere super heated crash landed and chilled for half millions of years and couldn't stand a few blow from alec's guns.....hell yeah welcome to the gun show
One of the things that make meteorites special are they made in the low G environment of space. If you want to make it a magic space sword then it's off to space!
Need a way to get the sulfur out, I recommend melting it and adding a blast of pure oxygen.
Cody'sLab our favorite chemist
HI CODY!
Don't the two of you live close now? I'd kill for a collab!
Cody'sLab i agree
You are absolutely correct. Removing sulfur would've saved the titanic as well for similar reasons but with cold as opposed to heat.
"Goodbye space sword" saddest part of the whole show
atla 😭😭😭💙💙💙
Dude that was so tragic!
Lol
People who say katara experienced the most sadness
Me an intellectual: goodbye space sword
Uncle iroh’s story in ba sing se would like to have a word with you
Alec; NOOOOO! Please, stop! Ahhh, it hurts! You can't/shouldn't work meteorite as is - it needs to be incorporated into other, more homogenized steel. Working with meteorite, you either need to grind it into a powder before forge welding in a canister weld, or the way traditional katanas are made, with little thin bits and pieces all wrapped up together and slooooooooooowly, paaaaaaaaaatiently, work it into a solid nugget at welding heat. Once it starts to stay together, add known steel to it and again.... slooooooooooooooowly, liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly, work it down till it all binds together. You literally need hours of just lightly tapping away at it to consolidate a billet that can take any kind of abuse. Only then you have a chance of making anything out of it. If made into a blade and etched, it will have a pattern more similar to wootz than damascus steel, and the contrast wont be as clear... but what the hell, you'll have a fuggen' space sword! But you'll need a high carbon edge laminated into it, because any carbon is long gone from all that heating up to welding temp.
Oh, and any time you heat it up, drown that sucker in copious amounts of borax.
Anyone who reads this, please upvote it, so Alec doesn't miss it before it's too late!
Yeah, meteorite is not good material from the start. You need to slowly refine it by forging it. Of course it can also be done by simply melting it and burning all the impurities away, but it is not how it was done in pre-iron age.
That meteorite appears to have too many inclusions and impurities . May have more luck by putting it into a crucible to burn out the impurities and start with a clean ignot.
Also, this would be closer to elemental iron with impurities and inclusions that a low-grade steel, as others have said. I wonder if he considered that when he was working it? As well, in the basic formation of the rock, there would be pretty large crystals. I wonder if that is why it was crumbling so much.
So then there we go - No way around this - tamahagane meteorite Tanto it is.
while I agree that what you suggested is prolly the only real way to get good working steel out of that material Im guessing that if you did that then in the end it wouldnt be very special. I mean after doing what you said it would just be normal steel. I think the point is to limit as much as possible adding other metal. i do suggest adding good steel to it. maybe laminating it and making a form of damascas. spelling bad there sorry.
Alec: Gets 5 billion year old piece of metal from space
Also Alec: *makes leaf*
4.6Billion. 4.6Billion.
If sokka can do it why wouldn’t a trained smith could do this.
Man, you a avatar's fan ! Me too!😊😊
You are fckn right man 🤣😂
Zomaar Iemand sokka cast the metal into a sword cast he is doing it the classic way
Sokkas a blade master and alec's a blacksmith
Nice another avatar fan
Came flying through space and crashed to earth to be bubble wrapped carefully 😂
Funny, but it was probably meant to keep it immobile and prevent it from just breaking out of the packaging around it.
its rough in the post office!!!!
Meteorite: *am i a joke to you*
😂😂😂😂😂😂
it could also be alien junk that we think it is so precious imagine an alien blacksmith forging some of the space junk the we got rid of and thinking it is worth something
Meteorite: *Flying at extremely high speed, smashing into other meteorites, then goes through the atmosphere and smashes into the Earth*
Alec: Hits the meteorite with a hammer
Meteorite: *Falls Apart*
To be fair, ground is generally a lot softer than a hammer
It was much bigger but when it hit the grund it broke into much smaller pieces and water has made it round
Oof, while watching the video scrolling down and reading this, I don't even need to watch it now :(
Alec is Thor confirmed
@@noahmannen7947 LOL! your pic describes your comment perfectly.
Yo!! what the hell?? I've come back 5 years into UA-cam history and this guy seems older? His voice is deeper too 😂😂😂😂 I'm dying right now I wasn't ready 😭😭
I think he just stopped trying so hard and now "acts" more naturally.
When you play Terraria way too much
Xd
THAT WAS I GONNA SAY BUT U ALREADY SAID IT. xd
*farms eye of cuthulu*
I was searching for this comment
Poland
Every ATLA fan watching this: come on dont let Sokka down
Ik if sokka can forge it humans can too
ikr
SWORD AND FAN
@@deaduser038 fun fact sokka is a human too lmao
To forge something with that : totally melting to blend all elements together ^^
Just don't make an arrow out of it, or the things can start getting bizarre
Shinjitsu ni totasu suru koto wa kesshite nai
Watashi mo shirimasen
...🥟..?
*inhales*...IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE
@@mr_secks *YES, I AM!* 👇
as a geologist I can tell you what the problem is, Iron meteorites have a very large crystalline structure, that's what gives it that remarkable texture when etched. to work it you need to get a smaller crystalline structure to it which means melting and reforming the material. you will also want to add carbon to make it steel and a good bit of flux to clean up the silica inclusions, what you wound up with at the end was wrought iron. the nickel and other impurities will make it an interesting alloy.
To be fair the point of the video was trying to forge the meteorite on its own. If he added things to it to make it more workable it wouldn't really be forging a meteorite anymore.
U got that from google didnt u i searched it up and that popped up
@@qertqert6804 Or did google get this info from him?
Makes me wonder if you could melt it to a liquid and make a cast
Fascinating. Makes a good deal of sense. Thanks!
I guess this officially makes your forge a Skyforge.
Cristi Neagu what’s a skyforge?
A forge that forges meteorite iron.
Cristi Neagu thanks.
Brawlhalla skyforge?
Konoe Giatanez no...it’s a forge that can forge meteorite iron
"Can you forge a meteorite?"
Terraria players: *yes*
How bout netherite
@@raindoset5408 wrong game my guy
@@whenthe4553 I play both
Space set intensifies
Sokka did it
Boar the Fighter did it first.
Jerry Fisk does it all the time.
You get bonus points for that.
This deserves more likes 😂😂😂
you nailed it idiots haha
*_So it's a Meteor Rock made from a dying Star?? Hmm..._*
*Next thing you know.*
_Thor's Hammer_
It's Mjolnir you uncultured swine.
B2SPIRIT Sounds like they’re talking about MCU Stormbreaker, actually, you “uncultured swine”.
@@coyotedomino Stormbreaker (as far as I know) is not "canon" in Norse mythology.
But eh
B2SPIRIT Oh, of course not. But right now when most people hear “Thor”, they think of Marvel, not the Poetic Edda.
@@coyotedomino So we're both correct.
Good day sir/maam
"Im collecting meteorites for ~20 years... the biggest I found is slightly larger then a gulf ball... and this guy is abusing
the biggest one I see in private hands....
I've seen a couple big on s trade hands in the knife making circles, people forge them into Damascus sometimes. I've seen them with tons of layers to better homogenize the metal.
I have personally seen ones bigger than that and seen some absolutely huge ones in pictures/videos
The meteorite is from argentina from a place called campo del cielo and the sale of these meteorites is illegal.
this is a cheapo, theres tons of these in argentina, literally tons.
Two foot long metal toothpick, made with a million year old meteorite !
So I just came from the future, and I have to know….did Alec used to lower his voice in post for his videos?!?!😂
It's the fumes
I know what you mean, it's not sulphur hexafluoride.
@ I thought of that, but his voice is too consistent, so I think it’s got to be in post
I hope there’s not alien larva in there
Everyone: *looks at June*
Me : Who is June?
@@monirhasan3248me: idk
WHO HAD THEIR BID ON ALIENS FOR JUNE?
June is a month
@@WhatThePartyNeeds or is it
Alec: Lets try to forge with meteorite!
16th century javanese people: *laughs anciently*
Thx bro, im from javanese
That's how keris is made..
There exists a dagger made out of meteorite which was made for pharao Tutanchamun. Very beautiful piece, you find it when googling images.
@@TAUFIKDIRWANTO wow.. I didn't know it was made from meteorites
@@nilsfrederking62 Ive seen it in person Its an incredible piece, i got to see the last tour of king tut , saw the exhibit in Montana.
anyone else thinking of Sokka's meteorite (space) sword? 😁
PoCanDo _ yes that is exactly what I was thing of!!
"It will be unlike any other in the world"
(Commence musical percussion, followed by forging that is reminiscent of a anime training sequence)
YES
Man at Arms already made Sokka's sword out of meteorite.
Right??
9:58. the laugh of pure glee when doing something you love even when it's stupid. I love this channel!
To Alec
I'm 13 and I have forged my first knife.
It's a Bowie mixed with a bayonet.
I just want to say thank you for being my inspiration.
hurricane TV keep going bro! You have a good start!
13!?? Nice you beat me by 2 years lol
You look like George from Stuart Little
ErikShestakov I thought the same thing
Hmmm your right he does
Steve Smith from American dad
@@liamthelegend1563 on point
Jimmy Neutron tho.
Hi Alec, the trouble with meteor is it is essentially an iron bloom, at least it acts the same way, and must be treated the same way. It has to be compacted and welded together first, which you tried, but the reason it didn't work out is you were trying to weld it too cold. Iron and steel have far different welding temperatures, iron welds at a white heat. Anything less and you're just trying to smoosh it together by force. Cheers and good luck!
Wolf's Den Forge your right on. Therefore able eliminate any impurities that will effect the consolidation, it should still keep the coloration before you make it truly forgeable for a great Damascus.
Id like to see anyone do anything with a meteor, since they're all out in space still.
That's what I thought. It looks like japanese tamahagane, which essentially is iron bloom.
My first thought was that meteorites are more like iron ore than pig iron.
Concur with the above. Working it too cold too much before consolidating. It's essentially a bloom and needs to be worked (fold and weld, fold and weld) to homogenize and consolidate.
12:17 The Steele bloodline almost ended.
My dad is an Astronomer and he's mad at you for destroying the meteorite 😂
@Ishmam Masud - Cuz I Can Well native canadian and alaskan people demonstrably did work meteoric metal. Its not just a theory, they have the artifacts to prove it.
you forgot your quotation marks around astronomer.
gotta blame the seller for selling a meteorite to a blacksmith.
I get him, this hurts me too
I have a stone itz atracts magnet
Meteorite getting bubble wrapped.
Meteorite:. Am I a joke to you?
😂😂
The bubblewrap is to protect everything else :P
Don’t hate me, but stolen
THE GREAT just in case someone drops a Nokia cell phone on it.
unoriginal
Here’s hoping that it turns into sokka’s meteor sword from avatar
Space sword!
SPACE SWORD
Man at arms did that
Was thinking the same exact thing.
I legit thought of that when I clicked this video
Too many impurities mate, I admire your diligence, but you should have melted that thing in a crucible to eliminate some of the crap inside.
Alacycle An acetylene torch, I guess. Or thermite.
Nah you just need to select the right parts of it to work.
Even when the Japanese make their katana iron they only choose the best bits, and melt the rest for general use
It would still be meteoric alloy.... just missing the inclusions that long forging eventually removes (all of the sparks and scale). Melting would separate the quartz, etc from the metal alloy...
Zamolxes77 i agree 100% needs to smelt out the impurities... now that he put together a furnace it's do able...
Honestly guys, you don't need to melt it to drive out the impurities. Slicing it, stacking it and working it as if it were a bloom, would allow the impurities to come out. In fact, it may well be cleaner than bloomery steel. Thats exactly how wrought iron is made, and steel was until the crucible method was rediscovered.
Japanese bladesmithing was mentioned. Yes, the different parts of the bloom were used for different parts of each blade, but the Japanese also didn't have the technology to melt iron or steel in a crucible. They worked blooms same as the Europeans did.
Who thought of "Avatar: The Last Air bender" throughout the video?
No I thought of terraria
Alec- you have to melt the meteorite and separate the impure elements of it before attempting a forge. Get a crucible, hack it to bits, set the bits into the crucible, heat it until it melts and then trace off the waste from the top. After it cools only the metallic elements will remain and then it can be forged
Rosson311 irons melting point is quite high but
Andrew Ortiz you just can't forge a rock isn't it.?
Rosson311 I'm not into forging and stuff but this is what I thought he will do aswell
That is exactly what he was supposed to do. Putting a carbon compound in there would have given a stronger steel alloy; putting sand or glass in the crucible would have helped draw out the impurities into the by product called "Slag" ... no not the slang for swearing; "slag" is an actual term used in the making of steel.
The "silicate inclusions" would have helped to draw out the impurities from the iron/carbon alloy if he made crucible steel from this meteorite. He wold have still had to use light hammering thought to hammer out the resulting "puck".
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOKKA’S SWORD OUT OF IT!!!!!
Uriah Siner ua-cam.com/video/DITY1WzbLj8/v-deo.html
Uriah Siner, Totally what I was thinking!
Uriah Siner Yes please :-D
impossible too mutch cracks on this material
Man at arm's did it in season 1.
Anyone here thinking of Sokka's sword?
yes...
ua-cam.com/video/DITY1WzbLj8/v-deo.html I'll just leave this here for no reasons...
I'm thinking of brisingr(not sure if the spelling is right). man at arms make brisingr iut of meteorite and laminated it with tamahagane (japanese bloom steel) so it won't crumble. the reason the meteorite breaks apart even with the lightest blows because phosporus and cobalt is bad for steel so you need to laminate is with other steel alloys
space sword
Dawson Germano I’ve heard that Meteorites are not easy to forge. However, I would crush the meteorite with a masonry hammer and use the broken pieces as an ore. I’d make a feudal Japanese smelter and mix the meteorite chunks with bits of limonite. And when the contents are melted, I’d have a good little piece of tamehagane or bloom steel composed of space iron
With only having watched this one video... if you're ever able to get anymore of this material, try breaking it down into small enough pieces that it can be smelted into "space tamahagane" before forging it.
This guy looks like a grown up George Little off the movie Stuart Little hahaha
I think he is
@@benjamincorwin8970 Reasonable to think so, but last I saw that kid grew up , got ripped, and now looks like a weird foot-creature.
jesus christ he does too
You to
Yeah!
Alec, you need to forge the entire piece on the power hammer, flatten it, quench it, then break the hardened prices into tiny chunks. Then stack them up and forge weld them back together, much like a traditional Katana is made. Cheers mate
That's what I was thinking. He'd have to forge out the impurities and add some carbon. I think traditionally they use burned rushes or charcoal to add carbon?
Just think about it as if it was at the bloom stage and work it up from there?
This is what I was thinking the whole time I was watching the video
I don't know if meteorite metal would be hardenable like that, but that is the basic idea, yea. Then once you have it all forged into a billet, use a hardenable steel bit or carbonize the edge.
First thing I thought after seeing the etch. I think it's called tamahagane in Japanese.
"It was supposed to be *V* for *VICTORY*
Now it's *L* for *LOSER*
hahaha best moment
no like he is funny
i think we all laugh at that moment , not our host
This is what I like about your channel. You'll literally give anything a crack of the whip. Sometimes trying things out first hand is the best way to learn. Irrespective if what you were trying to do ends up in failure.
*hits it lightly with normal hammer and cracks
Solution?
HIT IT WITH TNE POWER HAMMER
Should have smelted it in the foundry and then forged it.
Yeah i thing he should smelted too (smelt)
red x17 yeah cuz it went through atmosphere and it’s a rock so basically making lava
Gotta admit, I'm baffled that he would knowingly try to forge it with impurities. Common sense says smelt it and get rid of the slag.
@@kyngkryss7250 exactly
That meteor has hurtled through the solar system, waved at planets, sling-shotted around the sun, survived the intense heat of passing through Earth's atmosphere at breakneck speeds..just so it could become...a leaf.
A leaf is truly an amazing thing when ya think there is zero life out there........supossedly
Well what the hell was it supposed to do otherwise? Stay a rock?
@@obamagamer5531 If indeed it is a meteorite, it's worth more as a rock than
anything he could make out of it..
A meteorite is crap material. Trying to forge it into something useful is nearly impossible. There's a reason why there has been millennia of Metallurgy on this planet
@@obamagamer5531 technically it was just an ingot to begin with...
Technically...
Woah, Alec's voice was way deeper 4 years ago
Throw a chunk in the crucible, melt it down and start with a clean billet!
That's what I was thinking 👍
Same here
I think he was trying to stay in the spirit of the video. You can technically melt down and purify any source. If he did that, could he say he forged a meteorite? I wouldn't think so, he would have merely extracted the metal he wanted and then forged something in metal... It's more of an entertainment/experimentation video.
It's not necessary to purify the meteor, just to melt in order to make it more homogeneous.
problem with that olhor is that many metals just don't want to alloy together n that is the inevitable nature of crappy space rocks, for whatever reason they land here and do nothing but provide an oddity value and nothing more :/ But it was my first thought too, to simply melt a whole piece together, melt it super hot so it'll be liquid and just cast it as something because you're never going to be able to get an alloy, best you can get is a nice polished piece of melted rock.
It's so brittle. I'd say the only hope of getting something solid out of it would be to smelt it and get rid of the obvious weaker metals, and who know what sort of alloy you'd be stuck with in the end. But it would be a nightmare none the less. It's very interesting though, thank you for this!
What’s crazy is some of the older pre iron civilizations were able to shape it into blades. How the hell they did it, carefully I guess😂
@@notadaytrader were they? Been a while since I watched this, but it seemed to be pretty hard to work with modern equipment.. I can't imagine primitive equipment cracked the riddle of this brittle alloy.
@@Easyflux well not to make it sound like every pre-iron civilization was doing it, but for example, the Egyptian Boy King Tutankhamun, had a set of daggers in his tomb, one of which is of meteoric origin. Here are some others I found quickly:
sheet-iron beads from Gerzeh in Egypt, dated to 3200 B.C.; an ax from Ugarit on the coast of northern Syria, dated to 1400 B.C.; a dagger from Alaça Höyük in Turkey, dated to 2500 B.C.; and three iron objects from Tutankhamun's tomb, dated to 1350 B.C. - a dagger, a bracelet and a headrest.
Any iron artifact dated to before roughly 1200-930BC, is highly likely from space.
Remember that episode of avatar when sakka made a meteorite sword?
SPACE SWORD
Watch man at arms........ they made that that sword.........
That's the first thing I thought of when I saw this video's thumbnail lol
i thought the same thing...
"Space earth"- sokka, water tribe.
It's an incomprehensible thought that this little piece of metal, is older than the planet we are on
Oldest things in OUR solar system...not the universe...
Also worth 50c to $5 per Gram...so a 1kg (2.2lb) Iron meteorite could be worth upto $5000.
Google says $5 a lb...
No. Not even close. Maybe for stony meteorite rubble.
kasdarack Link to shop or you're irrelevant.
@@kasdarack You have zero knowledge in this field. Stay in your fucking lane. And get me a Big Mac.
I was looking for this comment. I heard a meteorite is worth big big cash because it my have elements not of this earth. I believe this video I bullshit.
Thousands of years ago in some areas of Africa, the only metal they could find was meteorite metal. They believed that since they came from space and because of how much effort that would go into making blades with it, they believed that the blades would be able to kill demons. Just a little fun fact for you guys
Sounds like Conan’s blade made from star metal
www.google.com
No problem Al, glad i could help
+Shanon V Man, I've just tried this "google" thing, it rocks! Thanks!
It seems to me like Alec and this meteor rock is having an intense argument while forging. With every hammer blow Alec strikes it says: "BE FORGED!" And the meteor is not wanna cooperate and responds: " I have been an meteor for billions of years, you really think I am going to move that easy? But through some cozy heats and some gently hammering this man and this rock gets to know eachother. And finally the meteor accepts Alecs request and says: "Fine! I will let you forged something, go ahead and make a leaf!" Great video, this rock has a lot of character.
I would love a collab with Cody's Lab to refine the meteorite for ease of forging but I love that you really tried to make it work with the raw material
"It should be V for victory!"
2.5 seconds later...
"It's now L for loser!"
Try using the meteorite like tamahagane bloom steel and try using your hydraulic press. Watching you work the material it reminded me of what the beginning stages of what tamahagane steel looked like.
I was thinking the same thing.
Thats great thinking
Wait a minute isn't bloom steel made in a bloomary? If so then how can bloom steel be a meteorite?
SMELT IT WITH SOME COKE AND MAKE METEORITE STEEL !
maoristereo smelting is used to turn ore into metallic iron. This already is metallic, so smelting won’t do anything better for him.
Besides getting rid of cracks, silica inclusions and adding carbon? Nop, not a thing. Your're a genius.
I agree. SMELT IT!
Smelting is the way to go if you want to make sure the material is solid and won't break apart upon forging it. The only problem is you lose all the cool designs that run through the meteor.
Beantowner form follows function. With the current cracks, it’s not a functional piece of metal
This guy: what can you make with meteorite?
Terraria players: *pulls out space gun*
Craft the full set of armor first so you can blast it for eternity
TURN IT INTO A SPACE SPOON
"What you got there is a frozen chunk of poopy." Joe dirt. That was a fun episode.
kirk orr what a terrible film
Sorry you don't have a sense of humor.
I do, It lets me publicly laugh at people who think Joe dirt is a funny or generally good piece of cinema
You should have melted it down in a crucible and pour it into some sort of mold. That would stop any cracks
Yeah that's what i was thinking!!😂😂
tamahagane how they extract ore and raw steel in Japanese swordsmithing.
that removes the impurities
If he melted it the different metals would have sat in different levels of the crucible sense they have different densities. So after pouring the metals in the mold it could separate, and then cool at different rates causing an inconsistent layering
@@jacobstier9816 wouldn't necessarily separate. The longer the metal is held at the different melting temperatures undisturbed it could separate or cause grain problems, but it is possible to make a homogeneous alloy from a meteorite . I had a Damascus blade that was half meteorite until my house was broken into and it was stolen! Also saw a wakizashi that was part meteorite. There are also different types of meteorites with different compositions that may have worked better. I didn't think he would be able to forge it after I saw the etched surface. One with a Widmanstatten pattern might have been successful.
As Sokka sheds a tear... he then googles how to forge another space sword.
@Alec Maybe it's time to add a small foundry to the workshop.
Time for some bronze swords? Yes, please!
That would be worth watching! The making of a small foundry!
Yes!
swords made with "star stones" have been used as part swords in the UK for centuries. I is necessary to hammer it under heat to make fragments to stack, like making a traditional Katana would.Then stack and forge a bit at a time. Look, ua-cam.com/video/K_PS2l31EhM/v-deo.html , Carbonisation: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gSU4k
Tom Sikes Just what I thought.
I was thinking exactly the same. The whole Tamahagane thing seems incredibly similar, although the impurities here are of course a load of 'weird' metals, not the usual slag.
Hatman39 carburizing would be the only logical answer. Beat the slag out of it. It's worked for hundreds of years.
was thinking of writing this exact same thing when i saw your comment. In several ways metorite metal is similar to bloom steel, so it makes sence to treat it in a similar fashion
Tamahagane, try the same way, we wanna see!
I'm kinda thinking he's gordon ramsey's son.
LOL
😂
Gordon Ramsay secret love child
Not enough swearing
Sorry folks, not a meteorite. The absence of the Widmanstätten pattern in section is a dead giveaway. All nickel-iron meteorites have this, and this didn’t.
I think your best bet is to melt it down, allowing some of the impurities to burn off and letting it homogenize, then try forging the ingot
thats what i was thinking, like crucible steel
agreed
Smelt it!
Tony Ficarra he should use the traditional method of forging katanas. The impure japanese iron needed to be stacked in brittle pieces and forge welded together with charcoal to mix carbon into it, creating steel
But then you lose the pattern of the meteorite
And there was a disturbance in "the Science"...as if a thousand research voices cried out in terror and sadness.
Trying not to disturb my mother from laughing so hard at this.
I actually felt pain while watching this. That was a beautiful specimen. It hurt to look at it being mutilated like that.
That stuff is expensive too
@@user-mh2bw4hu3o indeed. Plus, you know damn well that the meteorite that proves extraterrestrial life is sitting in a private collection someplace never to be examined by scientific means. All for some rich man's vanity.
@@llopl28 ah. You are one of those people.
based off my avatar the last airbender knowledge... yes, yes you can
also i had the "first" view but there were 15 comments and 22 likes meaning ppl did that during the pre video ad
Didn't they melt it down then start forging on it?
yes they did
I thought so. would probably be a lot easier to work with if it was mixed more evenly.
They made the avatar sword in men at arms (original) with a piece of meteorite, and yes, it was a pain
LOL this is how I always imagined an elf kid from some Gondolin smithy, sort of youthfully giving it all to the forge with glee and a big grin and lots of passion. This channel is mesmerizing! Keep forging Alec!
this meteorite survived for millions of years until it fell into the hand of the little sod
Ilyass Karouach did it ever breathe?
Harley Manabat so when the news says that paintings survived the fire in the art gallery! They must be breathing?
Adrian Ashby.
I never heard of a breathing painting... have you?
Harley Manabat if it's a lime fresco then they can be termed as a breathing surface but no I've not. yet they survive fires. curious🤔
Adrian Ashby
Wow... I'm so amazed you seriously saying stuffs about this "breathing" thing...
Not only does the file cut the meteorite. It cuts your meaty hand as well.
I have to advise you not to attempt forging your hand. If you try to forge your hand, you'll just ruin it.
What if he wants a sword hand?
Hands make extremely poor swords, mainly because because when you try to forge it, it doesn't melt, it just turns to ash.
@@erictaylor5462 well he could do a mixture of human flesh and steel.
Well, seeing human flesh is mostly made of carbon with a few volatile (they will evaporate when heated) compounds, all you will get is high carbon steel.
High carbon steel has it's uses, but as it is quite brittle, using it to make something to hit something is not going to give good results.
I like how this is edited yet there's still a typo
Sadly I can't imagine anything that you could make that is cooler than an actual meteor in its original state!
Adam Crowley meteorite* a meteor hasn't hit the ground yet, it becomes a meteorite after its hit the earth.
a dagger would be cool
Only came here for the avatar comments for sokka. Let’s see how well he does
If you could work the meteor into pieces, you can attempt the Japanese way of forge welding, putting the pieces all arranged on a sort of paddle made of the metal, wrapped in cloth and grass to keep oxides from forming on the surface, and draw it into its own billet. From there, you could then use it like a jacket if it's just Iron or a low-carbon steel, and put a high-carbon steel wedge in it to make a blade from.
you should do canister damascus with pisces of the meteor
SCARE EVERGREEN1 that would be awesome
"It´s meant to be V for Victory - it´s now L for Loser." When even stonecold lifeless matter gives yout the F.... Made my day. xDD
Having completely destroyed the Widmanstatten pattern, it is now impossible to prove it used to be a meteorite. Good thing you took video.
Ooohhhh....a meteorite...let’s hope it’s does not go meteorong...
Stuart Nagle nice
Or a meteorleft
was that a meteorite hunters referance?
i dont know what to think of that
Stuart Nagle did you just...
Dad joke knocked out of the park!
Hi Alec I would love reffering you to a video by Man At Arms where they make a Katana the traditional way (and no this is not a jab at your Katana, that thing looked effing cool and the work you put in there was simply amazing!) They make their own steel and it reminds me a lot of the meteorite cause it behaves a little like bloom steel. They go at it very slow and try folding the steel a lot of times before they go to the power hammer. (Oh for further reference in the video they make Kill Bills Katana)
Hey, I believe this is the video you were mentioning, just thought i'd be of help by adding a link. Its interesting because he uses the meterorite as a layer in a damascus billet which helps with the crumbling. ua-cam.com/video/DITY1WzbLj8/v-deo.html
Lucas Kramer - Lucas, is Bob your uncle? 😉
lsubslimed MAN I WIIIISH hahahaha that'd be the funnest uncle to be with EVER ... or not you know ... I don't think even an uncle can forgive you messing up a 4000$+ knife :'(
Everybody: space sword
Alec: GOLF CLUB
"Can you forge a meteorite?!"
Terry Pratchette, from where ever he is: "...Well, I made a bloody good sword out of one about thirty years ago."
Sokka's space sword!?!?!?
Yup!
Yaaaasssss!
Dammit i commented this before i checked the reat of the comments lol
Space doesn't exist.
exactly what I was thinking
hes the kind of guy that would make a montage of cutting a rock
Uuuhhhh
In 2020...Nobody searched for it... it just dropped out of Nowhere in my recommendation... and i liked it👍
Same 👋
You have to keep up the temp to fuse the metal together on meteorites
You should make a spoon , so you could say “I have a spoon that OUT OF THIS WORLD” -Andy N.
No trespassing On me mind if I make a slight change to your statement? He should say "I have a spoon that's OUT OF THIS WORLD"
Andy N. I like your thinking I’ll change that right now give you credit
It's been over 2 years since this video, but I was wondering if you ever thought of melting the meteorite into a bar before forging into something?
"Can you forge a meteorite?"
*Ser Arthur Dayne has entered the chat...
Ah, I see you are a Thrones fan as well.
I know its been 5 years, but could this potentially work in a canister damascus?
Original damascus blend steel that is now lost to history due to the family’s generational knowledge being lost. It is said that there is meteorite in the blend just like some Egyptian ceremonial daggers.
That piece in the forge looked just like a tasty steak
Musab Fethullah Kocyigit it looked like meat alright
Thats why it's called a *meateorite*
Title : Can you forge a meteorite ?
Everybody : Interesting
Lolkrop Gruis it is
5.9 million people*
It is intresting -_-
Sokka: Amateurs
Now you can tell all the ladies I had a meteorite burn through my trousers once.
Completely melting it in a ceramic pot and and skimming impurities off from the surface would have been my first step.
Holy moly!! That meteorite is worth so much money!
Video: Can you forge a meteorite
Me: ...
My mind: Terraria meteorite weapons/armor...
Hey Alec! Could you do a crucible steel experiment at some point? The pattern on it can turn out insane and would make an interesting project to film and see.
Man receives rock from space. Rock does not want to be worked. Man refuses to not let it be worked.
Wait, didn't Pratchett use a meteorite in a sword?
Man at arm's Sokka's meteorite sword. They use space metal to make the sword but they have the sword covered with a steel outer layer with the meteorite core
Episode 20 season 1 man at arms
Please make a space sword
Bryce Mateer Yes please :-D
travailed light years thru space entered the atmosphere super heated crash landed and chilled for half millions of years and couldn't stand a few blow from alec's guns.....hell yeah welcome to the gun show
One of the things that make meteorites special are they made in the low G environment of space.
If you want to make it a magic space sword then it's off to space!