Thanks for watching the video - one thing to point out, I didn't get my colours exactly right for some of the b roll of the video, the speakers are a little more red in the flesh than the yellow in the video. Colour grading is hard and I am always doing my best here - thanks
Your channel is one of my favs for HiFi. You never leave a doubt about what shortcomings / disappointments you discovered in a product review. While other reviewers seems to prefer not to publish a so-so review, you publish it anyway. A big thumbs up!
I just say it how i see it, very rarely is something perfect and if you know what to expect as a buyer and then can act accordingly then I think that makes for a happy person in the end which is what everyone is trying to be. Except let’s be real about it audiophiles are never fully happy as perfection is always one step away :)
Here's when it's great to have some DIY skills, as you could go in and reduce that tweeter level by -0.5 or 1.0 dB with 1 or 2 resistor changes and increase its compatibility with many more amplifiers.
Great detailed review as always, thanks! 🙏 My Revels F208 are still in great shape and I could not live without them. It’s so difficult to compare with what I have already.
thanks Terry terrific review reading between the lines they don't seem they handle loud well. Soft domes often fall apart unless really well designed. I love Gryphon there amps and pre are just glorious you can drop that in the post for me 😀😀
To be fair most normal people’s loud is my medium level, my room being so heavily treated means I often play louder than normal rooms that are more reverberant and I just prefer music loud so you feel it
With the Dynaudio you are fighting the quirk the other way, trying to bring more clarity out of them and focus their sound, with there your just tuning it to the level you want. Now I have been listening to the much more expensive KEF R11 Meta I appreciate more how good these were
Thanks Terry, you always make such excellent reviews. Im not so sure Id get on with looks of these. Im not so keen on offset drivers, they kinda break horozontal symmetry for me, which seems to trigger some ocd for me! I also cant help feeling they could look a little more special at this price point, but Im spoilt in that regard since I got my Elysian 3's. Love whatever you review, but im hoping you get some new amps soon. Id love to hear what you make of 'Thomas and Steroes' new power Amp he's hyping so much, the solid state one. Im sure he'd send you one if you asked! 😊
@@PursuitPerfectSystemdoh, I think my misses was talking at me whilst you discussed the amps you used! You clearly mentioned the galleon 😂, Ive just rewatched that bit! You often mention you like listening loud, how loud is loud? You talking 90 or 100db? Just for reference...
Well the KEF never appeared or not yet. I wonder how these compare to the R3, which are more affordable stand mounts. Less bass obviously but maybe better sound stage even,
Thanks for yet another great review! I know you didnt have the Atalante 5 on hand for direct conparison with the 4, but curious if you have some high level thoughts on how the sound compares. Thanks!
You say you liked to listen loud, so I wonder if you evaluated how these speakers sound at lower volumes? Like between 65-75 db. Perhaps the highs are less present in that zone. And, as someone else asked, how would you compare them to the fives? As best you can from memory.
Great review Terry! I was interested in these till I read the 30m2 room minimum. What size is your room? Mine's 20m2. I want a bigger sound than my smallish Kudos C2, but also like it bright (used to like the Heybrook sound which Peter Comeau is working on again). So that's why the rolled off treble of the Mission 770's concerns me. One suggestion; could you stand by the speakers you review so we can get a better idea of size?! Thanks again.
Demo on the Atalante3 a couple of days ago with impressive sound imaging but I felt the was a little clinical. The demo with an intergrated Marantz amp. Going to check these out this week. I have shorlist to my Rotel diamond 6000 amp & cd at present. What are your thoughts for a combo of the Atalante4 & Rotel RA6000 amp?
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks. Just where I'm located, they dont have these combo to audition ie Atalante4 + Rotel amp. At present, Rotel is having a 1/2price sale for the Diamond series, which is very favourable. My old setup is a Yamaha S701+ Yamaha 5disc carousel + Polk Rti A7. I would figure these Rotel would be an upgrade with what I have at present. Then again, I could be wrong here
Yeah tough situation, maybe see if you can get a home demo, even if it means paying for the product but the dealer holds the money until you return the demo unit type of situation you want to get it right
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks again for your input. Your videos are great and very informative. It's very difficult because whenever I walked into a shop, they try to sell you something else. Also for the record, to further add barriers, there's only 3 audio shop in our state, in Australia. I do like the Wharfedale Dovedale, Mission770, Atalante5 , KLH5 & Jbl Lc100 for the retro look but none available for demo. Possibly get to a stage that I need to fly interstate to get a demo....
Great review Terry. I notice the ModWright phono stage...is it the standard or X? Is it in for review? I have the X with upgraded tubes & umbilical - incredible!
You have a lot of interesting insights to say BUT it would be even better if you played some music as part of you reviews, yes the sound will be compromised somewhat but it’s surprising how much you can understand from hearing them even on You Tube, please consider this as I’m aware others also want to hear the gear you are reviewing
I spent years and made hundreds of sound demo videos, it’s fraught with problems and half those videos UA-cam has now blocked due to copyright law changes. It’s not worth it I am afraid. If you would like to hear the speakers please go and demo them and see if what I said about them was correct. That will tell you all you need to know about my review style and sound explanations
First of all congratulations for the review. I recently bought an Atalante 3 driven by a Rega Aethos in 45 m2, incredible sound and powerful bass. My doubt concerns the height of the 70 cm stands, I would like to switch to the 60 cm ones but you say that the higher tweeter creates a greater 3D effect. Did I understand correctly?
Stand mounts are a little different as you adjust the height you adjust their bass as well to some degree - so you can only try it and see what you prefer
Hi Terry, would these suit the Audiozen Embrace? If not, any recommendations, I have audio physic Avanti at present, feel there just a bit sterile, great work as usual.
You noted that the M23 amp didn't score so well with these speakers. I feel after listening to class D amps I can't find a good sound signature with any of them. I turn the volume up but it just magnifies the dullness of the sound.
To be fair I haven’t always felt it about the m23 but it’s the first time I have compared it to another big power amp like the gryphon which is 10x the price so a little unfair, but yes this is how I felt about it here
I speak to John about this a lot, he rarely used big demand big speakers played at loud volumes where the differences in amplifiers are more readily present so everyone’s situation is different and everyone’s opinions should be considered the same
hello, can this speaker come close to performance of arendal loudspeakers. I asume arendals with their balanced presenation could be better for acurate rendition of classical music, but I never heart them. Now haeving atlante 3 at home and I trully enjoy them more than I expected. I understand that you reviewed much smaller speaker from arendal but except to obvious differences. Is arendal technicaly much better speaker than revival?
I don't like the fact that the drivers do not sit flush with the baffle. In theory that can cause diffraction anomalies, more so with the tweeters. It also looks like a cost saving measure. Also, the tweeter looks to be too high to be in line with a seated listener's ears. Some speakers are designed for off axis tweeter listening but this is quite rare, and here the height difference seems extreme.
Dynaudio have been designing speakers with protruding tweeters for decades. The big downside to it is the fragility of the driver protruding the positive is there is nothing infront of the tweeter like a grill or similar
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Dynaudio are using specially designed sub-baffles for the tweeters. The problem is not the tweeter dome itself protruding but it's mounting. Read about the diffraction caused by this. For me it is just for cheaper cabinet construction and/or a misguided styling decision. You can see that in the other drivers too but at least there there is probably no adverse effect due to longer wavelengths.
Note: When I posted a comment it did not show up and posted a second which did. When I refreshed the page both showed up. I this a Google thing these days? Thanks again
One look and they do look expensive. By the way have you come across not too expensive speakers(around$750 USD or less) that image well including forward - as in spacial? I live in Canada and the exchange rate is not favourable for me🤣Just checked and add 35%🤣🤣🤣
I get it, my listening room doesn't look like a typical lounge of a house, but this is a room in my house, its just a dedicated one. If you look at the videos I posted many years ago, long before I made a channel you will see what the same room used to be like, we were drying clothes and had baby stuff in here too as well as audio :)
Absolutely no, your videos are exceptional. Just my own preference. I always value you mentioning personal preference in looks and sound as well as location and matching equipment.
your still chasing your tail and wasting money with some passive audio systems 🤣🤣🤣 . These speakers here even with an expensive amplification are still a downgrade compared to even the likes of ATC's entry levels active 19a 🤣🤣🤣 .
Ian your on a different planet these speakers on the end of this gryphon is at the ATC 50 level with better bass. 19 not even in the same conversation.
there are many passive speakers that are massively disappointing in sound quality no matter if driving them with some expensive amplification . You just cannot get all the inner detail , presence , air of detail of a recording with a lot passive audio systems and speakers with their passive crossover components in the way the signal , and that's the crux of the matter with many passive audio systems . Also there are many passive systems which sound diffuse , opaque dull and samey with recordings , and the opposite to that kind of sound is also true . Many systems just don't sound realistic with the sound of real instruments . The best designs of active loudspeakers like ATC for instance get you as close as is possible with dynamic loudspeakers as to a sense of real instruments playing . Also vocals are on another level than with many passive systems .
Thats a very general statement based on what? What is inner detail? How many different passive speakers have you listened to side by side in a good room to say this? It would need to be like over 50% of all of them that exist to make the statement you are. There are many attributes to good sound Ian, not just a couple
Thanks for watching the video - one thing to point out, I didn't get my colours exactly right for some of the b roll of the video, the speakers are a little more red in the flesh than the yellow in the video. Colour grading is hard and I am always doing my best here - thanks
No need to apologise, Terry - your videos always look very slick and professional. 👍👍👍
Your channel is one of my favs for HiFi. You never leave a doubt about what shortcomings / disappointments you discovered in a product review. While other reviewers seems to prefer not to publish a so-so review, you publish it anyway. A big thumbs up!
I just say it how i see it, very rarely is something perfect and if you know what to expect as a buyer and then can act accordingly then I think that makes for a happy person in the end which is what everyone is trying to be. Except let’s be real about it audiophiles are never fully happy as perfection is always one step away :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem😅😮
That slow focus on the tweeter at 4:40. Panning over the speaker slowly, from every angle. So artistic!
Thanks man for noticing I am trying my best here :)
Fantastic Review. I think Revival is really giving a nice line of speakers to the Audio World that hit many tastes while still being very much theirs.
Here's when it's great to have some DIY skills, as you could go in and reduce that tweeter level by -0.5 or 1.0 dB with 1 or 2 resistor changes and increase its compatibility with many more amplifiers.
I have the Atalante 3s and if I ever get a larger space, I'll still go for the Atalante 5s, even as nice as the 4s come across.
Great review as always Terry , I get my mission 770 s on Monday can’t wait
Tempted to get a pair of 770 1600euro at a dealer bstock
Great detailed review as always, thanks! 🙏 My Revels F208 are still in great shape and I could not live without them. It’s so difficult to compare with what I have already.
Thank you Terry for the review, you certainly delivered as you had promised 👌👌
Thank You. Your reviews are always excellent.
thanks Terry terrific review reading between the lines they don't seem they handle loud well. Soft domes often fall apart unless really well designed. I love Gryphon there amps and pre are just glorious you can drop that in the post for me 😀😀
To be fair most normal people’s loud is my medium level, my room being so heavily treated means I often play louder than normal rooms that are more reverberant and I just prefer music loud so you feel it
Fair enough and understandable
Excellent review of an interesting speaker. For the similar price, I think the Dynaudio Evoke 50 has a lot less quirks and is hard to beat.
With the Dynaudio you are fighting the quirk the other way, trying to bring more clarity out of them and focus their sound, with there your just tuning it to the level you want. Now I have been listening to the much more expensive KEF R11 Meta I appreciate more how good these were
Thanks Terry, you always make such excellent reviews.
Im not so sure Id get on with looks of these. Im not so keen on offset drivers, they kinda break horozontal symmetry for me, which seems to trigger some ocd for me! I also cant help feeling they could look a little more special at this price point, but Im spoilt in that regard since I got my Elysian 3's.
Love whatever you review, but im hoping you get some new amps soon. Id love to hear what you make of 'Thomas and Steroes' new power Amp he's hyping so much, the solid state one. Im sure he'd send you one if you asked! 😊
Yeah I talk about that amp a little bit in this video :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystemdoh, I think my misses was talking at me whilst you discussed the amps you used! You clearly mentioned the galleon 😂, Ive just rewatched that bit!
You often mention you like listening loud, how loud is loud? You talking 90 or 100db? Just for reference...
What you're talking about with amps, is there ability to drive into load. RMS wattage is not a good measure of dynamic loaded power delivery.
Good review for the new product!
It seems that is similar with Dynaudio Evoke 50.
The tweeter looks familiar the rest is different, sound is different too
@@PursuitPerfectSystemin which way?
Well the KEF never appeared or not yet. I wonder how these compare to the R3, which are more affordable stand mounts. Less bass obviously but maybe better sound stage even,
Thanks for yet another great review! I know you didnt have the Atalante 5 on hand for direct conparison with the 4, but curious if you have some high level thoughts on how the sound compares. Thanks!
Im very interested as well :) i was waiting for that. But very fine review though.
Sorry guys there has been a bit too much time in between and a few changes to the system to really say anything with any sincerity
You say you liked to listen loud, so I wonder if you evaluated how these speakers sound at lower volumes? Like between 65-75 db. Perhaps the highs are less present in that zone. And, as someone else asked, how would you compare them to the fives? As best you can from memory.
I talk about lower volume listening too they are good
Great review Terry! I was interested in these till I read the 30m2 room minimum. What size is your room? Mine's 20m2. I want a bigger sound than my smallish Kudos C2, but also like it bright (used to like the Heybrook sound which Peter Comeau is working on again). So that's why the rolled off treble of the Mission 770's concerns me. One suggestion; could you stand by the speakers you review so we can get a better idea of size?! Thanks again.
My room is about 20,2 as well, but its got a lot of treatment in it especially on the rear wall to absorb bass so I get away with more in here I feel.
Demo on the Atalante3 a couple of days ago with impressive sound imaging but I felt the was a little clinical. The demo with an intergrated Marantz amp.
Going to check these out this week. I have shorlist to my Rotel diamond 6000 amp & cd at present.
What are your thoughts for a combo of the Atalante4 & Rotel RA6000 amp?
Sorry I can’t say, but I advise find your speakers first then select your amp is the best way to do it. Defo not the other way around
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks. Just where I'm located, they dont have these combo to audition ie Atalante4 + Rotel amp. At present, Rotel is having a 1/2price sale for the Diamond series, which is very favourable. My old setup is a Yamaha S701+ Yamaha 5disc carousel + Polk Rti A7. I would figure these Rotel would be an upgrade with what I have at present. Then again, I could be wrong here
Yeah tough situation, maybe see if you can get a home demo, even if it means paying for the product but the dealer holds the money until you return the demo unit type of situation you want to get it right
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks again for your input. Your videos are great and very informative.
It's very difficult because whenever I walked into a shop, they try to sell you something else. Also for the record, to further add barriers, there's only 3 audio shop in our state, in Australia.
I do like the Wharfedale Dovedale, Mission770, Atalante5 , KLH5 & Jbl Lc100 for the retro look but none available for demo. Possibly get to a stage that I need to fly interstate to get a demo....
Great review Terry.
I notice the ModWright phono stage...is it the standard or X?
Is it in for review?
I have the X with upgraded tubes & umbilical - incredible!
It’s the PH9 I think the standard one, I haven’t played with it much yet sadly but I will do
You have a lot of interesting insights to say BUT it would be even better if you played some music as part of you reviews, yes the sound will be compromised somewhat but it’s surprising how much you can understand from hearing them even on You Tube, please consider this as I’m aware others also want to hear the gear you are reviewing
I spent years and made hundreds of sound demo videos, it’s fraught with problems and half those videos UA-cam has now blocked due to copyright law changes. It’s not worth it I am afraid. If you would like to hear the speakers please go and demo them and see if what I said about them was correct. That will tell you all you need to know about my review style and sound explanations
First of all congratulations for the review. I recently bought an Atalante 3 driven by a Rega Aethos in 45 m2, incredible sound and powerful bass. My doubt concerns the height of the 70 cm stands, I would like to switch to the 60 cm ones but you say that the higher tweeter creates a greater 3D effect. Did I understand correctly?
Stand mounts are a little different as you adjust the height you adjust their bass as well to some degree - so you can only try it and see what you prefer
Thank you. tomorrow I will try to compare the 60cm stands that a friend lends me
Sensible
Hi Terry, would these suit the Audiozen Embrace? If not, any recommendations, I have audio physic Avanti at present, feel there just a bit sterile, great work as usual.
Maybe, it might depend on other factors, it wont hurt to demo them they are very different to Audio Physic
Any thoughts on the use of a Simaudio W5.3 SE 350W into 4ohms and threshold FET 10 preamp? How are the highest compared to a focal?
You noted that the M23 amp didn't score so well with these speakers. I feel after listening to class D amps I can't find a good sound signature with any of them. I turn the volume up but it just magnifies the dullness of the sound.
To be fair I haven’t always felt it about the m23 but it’s the first time I have compared it to another big power amp like the gryphon which is 10x the price so a little unfair, but yes this is how I felt about it here
Yet John Darko makes fun of audiophiles that do not like class D amps (in his latest video because he liked the reviewed NAD amp).
I speak to John about this a lot, he rarely used big demand big speakers played at loud volumes where the differences in amplifiers are more readily present so everyone’s situation is different and everyone’s opinions should be considered the same
hello, can this speaker come close to performance of arendal loudspeakers. I asume arendals with their balanced presenation could be better for acurate rendition of classical music, but I never heart them. Now haeving atlante 3 at home and I trully enjoy them more than I expected. I understand that you reviewed much smaller speaker from arendal but except to obvious differences. Is arendal technicaly much better speaker than revival?
I don't like the fact that the drivers do not sit flush with the baffle. In theory that can cause diffraction anomalies, more so with the tweeters. It also looks like a cost saving measure. Also, the tweeter looks to be too high to be in line with a seated listener's ears. Some speakers are designed for off axis tweeter listening but this is quite rare, and here the height difference seems extreme.
Dynaudio have been designing speakers with protruding tweeters for decades. The big downside to it is the fragility of the driver protruding the positive is there is nothing infront of the tweeter like a grill or similar
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Dynaudio are using specially designed sub-baffles for the tweeters. The problem is not the tweeter dome itself protruding but it's mounting. Read about the diffraction caused by this. For me it is just for cheaper cabinet construction and/or a misguided styling decision. You can see that in the other drivers too but at least there there is probably no adverse effect due to longer wavelengths.
Note: When I posted a comment it did not show up and posted a second which did. When I refreshed the page both showed up. I this a Google thing these days? Thanks again
YT has a lot of glitches at times mate dont worry about it
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Been going on for several months now. Thanks
One look and they do look expensive. By the way have you come across not too expensive speakers(around$750 USD or less) that image well including forward - as in spacial? I live in Canada and the exchange rate is not favourable for me🤣Just checked and add 35%🤣🤣🤣
Interesting! 😂
I'm new to the channel. Is he a hifi dealer??
No I am not, I am an independent reviewer that is why I have that come up at the beginning of the video,
I get it, my listening room doesn't look like a typical lounge of a house, but this is a room in my house, its just a dedicated one. If you look at the videos I posted many years ago, long before I made a channel you will see what the same room used to be like, we were drying clothes and had baby stuff in here too as well as audio :)
hey what number is with christy and queen
Its track 2 or 3, I got the name wrong in the video I think
if could looks kill
Funny because I think they look really cheap, also the pairing is a worry.
Oh man that is a criticism of my video quality, I take that one on the chin
Absolutely no, your videos are exceptional. Just my own preference. I always value you mentioning personal preference in looks and sound as well as location and matching equipment.
Strange... as towers go, I think they look fabulous!
The wood colour looks like an aged furniture from 70s, not that attractive.
your still chasing your tail and wasting money with some passive audio systems 🤣🤣🤣 . These speakers here even with an expensive amplification are still a downgrade compared to even the likes of ATC's entry levels active 19a 🤣🤣🤣 .
Ian your on a different planet these speakers on the end of this gryphon is at the ATC 50 level with better bass. 19 not even in the same conversation.
there are many passive speakers that are massively disappointing in sound quality no matter if driving them with some expensive amplification . You just cannot get all the inner detail , presence , air of detail of a recording with a lot passive audio systems and speakers with their passive crossover components in the way the signal , and that's the crux of the matter with many passive audio systems . Also there are many passive systems which sound diffuse , opaque dull and samey with recordings , and the opposite to that kind of sound is also true . Many systems just don't sound realistic with the sound of real instruments . The best designs of active loudspeakers like ATC for instance get you as close as is possible with dynamic loudspeakers as to a sense of real instruments playing . Also vocals are on another level than with many passive systems .
Thats a very general statement based on what? What is inner detail? How many different passive speakers have you listened to side by side in a good room to say this? It would need to be like over 50% of all of them that exist to make the statement you are. There are many attributes to good sound Ian, not just a couple
Mission
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