BATMAN, INC by Grant Morrison: The Dark Knight Undone
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- My third and final video on Grant Morrison's Batman Saga, covering Morrison's Batman, Incorporated, discussing the villainy of Talia Al Ghul, the fate of Damian Wayne, the return of The Hole in Things, and what Morrison ultimately has to say about the tragedy and heroism of Bruce Wayne.
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0:00 Intro
2:47 The Eye of the Gorgon
9:00 The Fate of The Demon's Heir
13:36 The Return of The Hole in Things
20:18 Outro
22:45 Final Thoughts on Morrison's Batman
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What's your favorite Grant Morrison Batman story?
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Batman Incorporated.
RIP
Batman and Robin
Probably that first three issue arc of Batman and Robin.
I really enjoyed the Club of Heroes story. I mean, murder mystery on an island with the Batmen of Many Nations? Sold.
The beautiful irony is that Grant Morrison DID change Batman in a permanent way. Even though they "put the toys back in the box" when they were done, the character of Damian Wayne has become a part of the eternal batman mythology. It's not the first time a writer has tried the "superhero has a kid" idea, but it's one of the very very few to stick. And that's even with DC editorial de-aging batman as part of New 52.
Bruce dresses as a bat because man is weak; a symbol is immortal. Crime is an idea, you can’t beat ideas with force; you need a better idea, and Batman is that better idea.
Perfectly said
Now that is something Batman would definitely say
The back end of Morrison's run really shows the tension between status quo and continuity that I find so bizarre in superhero comics.
This has been touched on time and time again, but the best thing about Morrison’s Batman is the mission statement: Everything Batman is part of Batman. There’s no “wrong” version. It all counts. And that’s an ethos that I wish more people would adopt.
Anyway, still to this day theirs is my favorite run on the character.
The "gas leak" year(s) :D
I feel the same...Batman Incorporated is brilliant beyond words...even the title is a play on words..."Incorporated" not just in a business sense but "Incorporated" in terms of the entire mythos.....EPIC STORYTELLING!
But there is a wrong way to pronounce Leviathan..... over and over and over again in this stupid video
Morrisson Batman run made me appreciate the character even more
And DC let all great writers out
Morrison is a drug addict
@@terskatti4994 A lot of good writers were drug addicts. What's your point?
@@mathunit1 I'd rather read coherent story and not Morrisons acid trips
@@terskatti4994 ok. Not everyone's brain are ready.
I’ve seen Batman lose everything and get back up again a 100 times but it has never felt so bittersweet like it does in Inc. Damian’s last stand is just heartbreaking
I’ve been rethinking how I viewed Grant Morrison’s Batman run ever since Patrick Willems’ video on learning to appreciate Schumacher’s Batman. At first I was confused but then after re reading and finishing the run, it started to make sense: All of Batman’s history matters. While their run doesn’t end happy and addresses the problems of Bruce’s quest to make life better, Morrison shows the various sides of the character that most writers don’t even think about. Even though the New 52 really screwed up with continuity, I’m glad Morrison was able to finish their story. What a great way to begin 2021. Hope you’re doing well Matt and I’m excited for what’s in store next.
P.S. I love Bat-Cow
And like Talia Darkseid's an awful parent. He keeps trying to kill his son Orion, kills his other son Kalibak whenever he fails him and resurrects him when he needs him only because Kalibak's his son with Suli, the only woman Darkseid ever loved. Kalibak's constant resurrections are the closest thing to fatherly love he gets from Darkseid.
Not to mention Mister Miracle his adopted son who he chucked into a pit to be tortured.
What I really found sad about the final leg of Morrison's run is that he stopped doing the "behind the scenes" commentary sections on the back of collected editions; something he had started in Batman & Robin and ended with the first volume of Batman Inc.
In those, he talked excitedly about the thought that went into the characters, their costumes, their redesigns, and even background elements that only have passing mention.
In the New52 Batman Inc graphic novels, there's none of that. Maybe he was just rundown by Flashpoint and all the other Events that kept interrupting his story. Who can say. But it's a shame.
Part of me wishes he did a few more commentaries.
I wonder why no one mentions that Talia drudged Bruce and conceived Damian without his consent. Like Bruce knew he wasn't ready or could be a father as Batman and expected to die young, but she tries to force him out of it and throws her own child into the mix. Bruce did not destroy Talia, Talia destroyed herself, Bruce did everything to keep her away from him, but she took him in a moment of weakness and threw the monkey wrench that was Damian into the mix. Also, Perseus killed Medusa under the order of the gods as a means to free his own mother from falling into slavery. He had no choice in the mater, he did not have the power to fight the gods themselves, and dying in some grand confrontation with Athena for her actions in creating Medusa would have been futile and would have doomed his home.
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as far as i’m aware, the reason people don’t talk about the talia-bruce rape situation more often is because of how often it’s been changed, misremembered, and retconned from author to author
I feel that's probably because the rape angle was an accidental retcon on Morrison's part (they had misremembered the events of Son of the Demon).
It's not a grant Morriston story but the issue of batman and Robin they did after damian died was amazing.. No words just images..
The Batman Grant Morrison trilogy comes to an end.
I don’t know how the UA-cam Algorithm works but damn does it recommend some gems sometimes. Great job, friend.
The third act of this story will forever be my favourite.
Great video dude.
This entire run was great, but my favorite single issue of this is the follow up by Tomasi and Gleason where Batman is running endless simulations to see of he could've saved Damian. Not just a great one shot, but a perfect encapsulation of the Bruce/Dick dynamic that so many writers overlook and goes so woefully underused.
I agree, that issue is a great little “epilogue” to Batman Incorporated
@@loganwendigo937 Go figure, Tomasi is the one who brought Damian back too.
I wasn’t all in with Grant Morrison’s run based off of the crazy out of this world material and wanting to stream line my reading as his run is a behemoth. So I watched parts 1 and 2 to clue me in. I did read Batman Inc and was some of the better Batman reading I’ve read to date!
These videos pushed me into Morrison’s run and now I’m a bigger Batman fan for it 👍🏼
Their. Morrison is non-binary.
Batman Incorporated was so interesting to me and Damian's death was so tragic too. That Leviathan story arc was so crazy too.
I love Batman incorporated it’s really awesome and badass and while I was annoyed that the new 52 kind of destroyed grant Morrison Batman incorporated by eliminating a lot of other bat family members who were supposed to be in this story, it still was a great story as a whole and a great sendoff to grant Morrison Batman run.
I love Morrison’s run, I started reading comics when Dick became Batman. And Damien became My Robin. Which is why I was conflicted when Dick went back as Nightwing and Damien died. I get what Morrison was going for and for that story I think it worked, but he and other writers made me love Damien so I had no issue when he came back (as all conics characters tend to do) ... I think How he came back was odd and kinda bleh but I was glad he got brought back and he was used in a lot of neat stories after his return.
Unfortunately morrison didnt really have a say with dick. The universe was rebooted and part of that was that editorial wanted dick as nightwing again
I love Chris Burnham's cartoony yet gritty art style!
11:15 And with that statement, Grant Morrison speaks directly to me as a child of divorced parents. It's just that in my case, my mom was more Bruce and my old man more Talia.
I know the graphic James Gunn used for his Brave and the Bold announcement was the cover of Bat-Man & Robin where Grayson was Bat-Man, but I wonder how much of Morrison's entire run will influence that movie?
This is aside from Final Crisis itself... My favorite comic book series
YES! FINALLY!! You have no idea how many times I’ll be blasting the 3 part videos from now on. Thank you for doing, not only 1, but 3 fantastic videos on my favourite Batman run. You’re one of the gold standards when it comes to comic video essays.
Thank you again, Matt 💜
Love your stuff Matt. Your passion for these different runs is infectious.
Brilliant. My favorite Batman arc ever.
Could you do scott snyders batman run next it's probably my favourite maybe even more then Morrison's I can see the faults of both of snyders and morrison runs but even thow those flaws I love both runs and there are some of my fav in all of comics they took a character I never realy cared that much and elaveted him so much that now he is one of my fav fictional characters we all seem batman lose everything over and over but the twists and turns of this two runs took all the tropes and stuff we seen turn into his head and give as a masterpiece also what I love is the fact that the runs have such an opposite feel with Morrison's run tackling very different genres while snyders felt more focused on the horror genre death of the family dinner scene being inspired by texas chainsaw massacre or endgames storyline with joker being very similar to it by stephen king. There is so much to dig into it it's amazing anyway all and all I hope you do get to cover it one day
So happy you finished all three videos, my favorite Batman run of all time!!! 💯
this is great, you really stuck the landing. thanks so much for your analysis
Thank you Matt!
The symbol outlives the mortal man. 👏
Cool, my gf just got me Inc for Christmas. Thanks man - this run is so underrated
Such quality content 👌🏾
Great Job on covering grant Morrison entire Batman run. :)
That never-ending never-growing nature of the character, the real hole in things, that you explained so well really depressed me (and almost scares me) when I read Batman Inc, although it's a great book.
Whenever I read Morrison's run I always stop at the end of Batman and Robin just to end it on a postive note lol
I actually finally got around to Batman Inc a month or so ago, on DC Universe, and I really enjoyed it. I don't think the pacing was as tight as the previous parts of his run, but it was still fun. The art was great though, minus the digital issue of course. My favorite Morrison Batman story is not even apart of this run, even though The Island of Mister Mayhew and Batman and Robin are up there (minus the Red Hood arc, as you said). My favorite Morrison Batman story is Arkham Asylum. As for comparing it to other runs, it's definitely up there as one of my favorites. I think I still prefer Greg Rucka's tenure on Detective post-No Man's Land a bit more, but Morrison's is still great. I've kind of fallen out of love with Snyder's run recently. The only story I can regularly go back to is the initial Court of Owls story. The rest, I feel, is too drawn out, especially Zero Year.
This is brilliant.
this is the real batman odyssey
What do you mean?
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 there's a comic by Neal Adams called batman odyssey ua-cam.com/video/SfTMPbASrL8/v-deo.html
I am subscribed and have the bell on and wasn't notified about this video :( great stuff matt!
This story shows how struggle will eternally be part of life. We must create meaning in the struggle, and fight for it, together. That is how we create something worthwhile before we join nothingness.
We must find balance between happiness and meaning. Distractions and beauty.
This is absolutely one favorite characters, comics run, and writer. You've done an amazing job in your magnificent analysis.
Great vid. You did a great job and now I no desire to read anything Batman by Grant Morrison.
Crazy Evil Morrison Red Hood is the only true characterisation for that edgelord
I do agree that Jason was depicted a bit weird and out of character in Batman and Robin, but I still LOVE the retro look with the big helmet for some reason.
My most anticipated Matt Draper video (after Darecember as a whole of course)
When Morrison is on-point he may very well be the best writer in the business - certainly one of the most creative. When he isn't though, he can be downright incomprehensible. Morrison can be hard to follow. More often than not, there are multiple layers of themes, metaphors, symbolism, references, messages, etc. waiting to be unraveled through discussion and re-reads. This adds depth and value to what could otherwise be relatively straightforward, predictable, mediocre, and/or disposable stories that already comprise 90% of the comic market. Ultimately, I just can't help but appreciate that he has a defined, unique voice, style, ideas, beliefs, and a deep love for comics that he uses to create some genuinely boundary-pushing and refreshing stories for fans.
One thing I've noticed is that writing superheroes grounds Morrison's work while most of his non-superhero work too often flies off the rails. There is something about superheroes that just brings out the best in Morrison. Without them, he gets self-indulgent and so in love with his big ideas that he forgets to tell an interesting story.
@@johnathonhaney8291 yeah I kinda agree..although everyone should really check out his non superhero stories like WE3(If you don't mind being depressed that is) and Invisibles..Also Filth((though there's a superhero element there; it's dark and bleak but amazing
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@@ankityadav5184 Ugh, sorry, Invisibles was Morrison at his most pretentious in my view. It didn't help that he rather stupidly claimed that the Wachowskis had ripped off The Matrix from it (which, given how Invisibles collapsed twice before he could finish it, says much). WE3 was passable and I refuse to bother with Filth. My only favored non-superhero work by Morrison is Sebastian O with Steve Yeowell, best steampunk story made to date.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Yeah a lot of people feel that way about Invisibles. You have to have a very open mind going in, but if you suspend your disbelief and really take in what Morrison’s saying, you’re gonna love it. It's not for everybody, but if "extremely weird" is not your thing, it will NOT be your thing. Although I admit towards the middle(around the third arc) it gets a little sluggish and too meta for its own good and I feel he didn't stick the landing as well as he could have, but still I love it overall. On the topic of Matrix issue, yeah you are right and I don't really see any solid connections here other than that they're both very postmodern and counter-culture focused. It does take some elements from the comic like the quasi-transgender character Switch, the name cypher, the blue "substance", the leap of faith, etc. but that is where the similarities end.
@@ankityadav5184 I'm fine with extremely weird. I'm NOT fine with the promise of a big reveal that turns out to be a big "that was it?", which is how Invisibles ended for me. I stopped reading Morrison for 15 years after that letdown.
12:22 very nice. Now there's a cartoon version of me gesturing to a baseball bat. Thanks, Matt.
I had a joke about Batman forever, but theres a hole in it I can't figure out.
I’d love to hear your opinions on Tom King’s run!! It’s not for everyone, but I think it was phenomenal.
Love these videos, this run was amazing.
I’ve been waiting for this video!!!!!! The whole three part series was great
I was just thinking last night about the next part of your Batman Series! Happy New Year Matt
Thank you for that explanation during the credits!
Amazing passion. I see you not a fan of his willingness to continue the circle of chaos
I was starting to wonder when part three would come out
what software is used to edit comic book panels like this?
I need to do this for a project anyones help would be appreciated
Wtf youtube Ive been waiting for this vid for a while and I got no notifications
Jessie Christian
This is Morrison taking Batman to the absolute peak of who can be. If the previous phases are Morrison’s commentary on Batman being the culmination of decades of non-powered vigilante characters, this is them taking the character and having him fight the Idea of Crime. Fighting the idea of thing that took his parents away from him.
I didn’t like this run nearly as much as the first two phases (mostly cause Bruce feels like he’s Doing a bad Iron Man impression), but it definitely works for what Morrison was trying to say, the idea of Batman never dies is both a blessing and a curse to Bruce Wayne, the hole is endless, a bottomless pit where Batman will always be in the comic sense.
Also thank you for getting Morrison’s pronouns correct, and great videos!!
Just when i needed a matt video he uploads this. You are my hero man.
YESSS been so hype for this conclusion!
I'd love to see you analyze the Scott Snyder run some day
Thanks for this
Ever thought about doing a video on Morrison's THE FILTH? that series is bonkers even by Morrison standards
EXCELLENT REVIEW! THANK YOU!
I've never been much of a Batman fan or a Morrison fan but something about the pairing in the run really drew me in with this run. I really enjoyed so much of it.
Matt Draper on Grant Morrison's Batman is my favourite Matt Draper. Don't get me wrong I love everything you do, but this is special and I'm sad that it's over.
Finally!!! Lol great job man.
Coming back with another hit! Matt keep them coming I will never not watch 💯🤙✊
I'd love to see a video on Kick-Ass
Thanks for doing this, Matt. I remember reading my Dad's copy of Batman RIP and enjoying it, but being thoroughly confused. I gotta read the rest of the saga eventyally.
you should make a video about Silver Surfer: Parable
125 videos. You certainly have been busy Mr Draper.
great job, glad I got those issues last year even if it cost a pretty penny especially damian's first appearance
Salut ! :) Les trois vidéos furent excellentissimes !!! A Big "All Hail" from Versailles :) Awesome job !!!
I just ordered the Batman grant Morison omnibus vol 1 and I'm ready for this wackyness 😁
You should discuss The Sandman by Neil Gaiman
Do you have plans to do other videos on Batman at some point? He is easily my favourite superhero, and I would love to hear your thoughts on some other classic Batman stories like Dark Victory, Strange Apparitions, Knightfall, Hush, the Court of Owls, Under the Red Hood (comic and/or film) or Dennis O'Neil's classic run in the early 1970s.
Finally... I have all 3...
Matt Draper, what are your thoughts on Morrison’s Green Lantern?
Although I adore Morrison's run and really do enjoy sinking my teeth into his headier concepts, it isn't without it's issues.
While the meta-narrative is dense and rewarding I think on a surface level the plotting is rather cryptic and the moment to moment narrative can suffer. When Morrison strikes the balance between the two - primarily in Batman & Robin and New 52 Batman Inc. it can be some of the best Batman around.
Conversely there are times around end of Batman & Son, Batman R.I.P and ROTBW, while dense and layered, completely lost me upon initial reading.
Agree. Morrison's first part of their Batman run is a little convoluted, but still fun. Things would get much better during their second act with Batman and Robin. But Batman, Incorporated is my personal favorite of theirs fir being both funny and tragic.
Loved your Morrison run series. I really like your take as to why Bruce is an absent father. I never really digged that in Incorporated, and felt like Tomasi's run was good complement to that. I, though, love, love, love the grieving issue in Incorporated, and the Heretic fight is glorious. Continuing on to the Batman as a father issue, idk about your whole take on Tomasi's run, but I think Damian's ressurection stands as a second chance for Bruce in this regard. Because if you put both runs together, Bruce may have failed, but he tried really hard. Damian coming back is Batman and Damian coming to terms with each other and giving each other this second chance to start over and reconciliate as Father and Son, Batman and Robin. Plus The Hunt For Robin is an arc that really touched my heart. I think my only drawbacks about Incorporated were the Talia behind the black glove and the kinda rushed ending. Oh and btw the Damian future Batman being a kinda Days of Future Past/Rock of Ages timeline, in which Bruce needs to avoid, but, different than these other stories, saving Gotham comes with a price. Also, never really caught that reference in which Bruce, like RIP, is getting out of a trap, but in a tragic way, not a triumphant one. Nice analysis.
PS: My favorite Grant Morrison Batman story has to be RIP, but Incorporated and Batman and Robin are not far behind. My top 3 is very close to each other. If I am to be honest, I change the placements here and there every re-read or couple of months lmao.
You need to do Scott Snyder's entire new 52 Batman run, please?
great vide. also I am curious, what are your thoughts on Grant Morrison's green lantern, have you read it?
I haven't read all of it, but I've enjoyed what I've read so far.
@@MattDraper I am glad you enjoy it, also, thanks for responding me :)
Thanks for this analysis. Good stuff. Batman Inc is my least favourite act in Morrison's run. It was too cynical and brutal for my tastes. I didn't really buy the emergence of Talia and Kathy Kane as key players in the saga, their retroactive insertion into the drama of the first two acts seemed very forced and didn't really work for me. A flawed, but decent effort to wrap things up by Morrison.
Your interpretation inspires. I hope I do grow to be better then Batman before I am rebooted.
Whenever you come out with stuff I feel like I’m always gonna enjoy it.
Matt Draper how you going to do a video on Godzilla vs Kong
Hell hatch no fury like a woman scorned
Aren't these stories on the Grants omnibus?
Yep
Great video!
Please, make a video about Batman: Ego
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I'm almost wondering if Morrison is channeling a warning that Jung once gave about archetypes. People have a really terrible habit of identifying too much with a fictional character, a mythic figure and other archetypal spinoffs. It's terrible because all of these archetypes have predetermined endings if the "possessed" follow that path for too long. As you implied, that applies to anybody who identifies with Batman too closely.
Oh and Final Crisis, for all its faults, is the moment I forgave Grant Morrison, mostly for its tie-in spinoff Superman Forever. But that's me.
Batman is not Spider-Man. You just can't relate to a rich manchild.
@@MutantsInDisguise Sure I can...and do. And if YOU identify TOO closely with Spiderman, as your statement implies, it will break you just as surely any other unhealthy attachment will.
When Grant Morrison finished their run in Batman, no one else has known how to make good Batman stories anymore.
I don't know, I enjoyed Tom Kings run.
But Scott Snyder's run hasn't aged well, good concepts but in some places poor executions
Court of Owls is excellent, but beyond that yeah
James tynion III did some good stuff in my eyes.
Tynion and Tomasi have written some great stuff though
@@sandro.B. Tomasi, yes, Tynion, no.
I love how Grant turns Batman into Batgod and then into Batshit the second he gets bored of him.
looking back, i think Final Crisis is Morrison’s only misstep in the series. it’s only purpose was to kill batman for a more interesting story, and i think the way Darkseid is reborn didn’t work for me? I need to reread it again but maybe that’s just me.
Final Crisis actually worked for me on the grounds that it did something different with the New Gods (which Morrison has a major fetish for). In particular, he emphasized Kirby's original conception of Darkseid as a moral corruptor and expanded that concept to the rest of his underlings.
Just a moment?
Batman, Bruce Wayne can never die now, because Frank Miller had him put in a Lazarus pit.
Bruce
Never
Dies.
Tbh I like that....I mean Terry can be batman but don't kill Bruce or make him old...just make him King Batman leader of league of assassin or whatever
Batman.inc
aka WE ARE BATMAN!!!!
Point of interjection here, Matt. The Ouroboros is a Norse symbol, not Greek.
@Revan Drag Yes.
For all his brilliance in writing, Grant Morrison suffers from the flaw of most writers of his caliber. They really don't get heroes, while fans love them.