I picked up my Competizione from the Fiat dealer near Bognor Regis on Friday. Absolutely love it, such a hoot to drive and the sound from the Monza Record exhaust is exquisite..👌🏼 If any one is thinking of buying one, just do it, before we’re all in sterile driving, touchscreen activated EVs.
@@ItaliaAutos I am so glad I got it. So nearly bought a Golf GTI as it is more “practical”, but then I said to myself sod practicality and went for the 595 Comp.
Nice vid, interesting to see how a professional approaches this job. my OCD would never let me put new discs & pads on that car without a thorough cleaning of that gorgeous red Brembo caliper first though 😁
Love my Alfa's, but would love one of these, never been in one to be honest, they remind me of my 5 Turbo from back in the day. Great video Nelly, identical Brembo set up as my smelly old 08 Brera.
They aren’t it’s a little car but very high bhp and it would be under braked with normal brake discs on .Iv had a bigger car with what you would say are adequate brakes but it was massively under braked and it really needed brembos on it but it was a 3000 pound upgrade when the car was new unfortunately the 1st owner didn’t think they were required
@@bmwman1981 Hearing ya but Dude it has a relatively normal 121 kW/t on a featherweight 1100 kg. My JCW has more. Hell even my Alfa has 6 pot Brembos that cost nowhere near this extortionist price. Neither did my Porsche whos brakes are way bigger than these. Simply change the brakes to a different Brembo model. Bad form on Fiat for making this stupid spec. But I'm glad I now know as if I want a 595 I'm smashing the owner with a £1,000 discount should the rotors be worn! It's prob the main reason many go for sale too. Owners simply freak out and just decide to sell it than get raped in the ass.
Yes, overkill - sort of. Opposed piston brakes gives better modularity, so a skilled driver can brake right on the point... but on the road and most drivers, simply unneeded and adds extra cost. Two part discs - this is probably the one area where it really is worth it. For such a light car, if you can save a few kilo's of unsprung mass, it will make a big change in the vehicle dynamics. I noticed going from 266 to 283mm discs on a 1 tonne car made the steering less responsive (increased weight). "Too much brake" said nobody ever :) The only problem with this set up is not how overkill it is but the extortionate cost to replace, cheap, cheerful, fast cars are awesome. But not when paying Porsche prices!
@@khalidacosta7133 My Porsche brakes were cheaper than this for a 1600 kg / 400 hp car with 6 pot Brembos. Floating rotors on a 595 is simply a complete wankfest. This Fiat choice lands squarely in the basket labeled 'Stupid'.
Neil what i have learned over the years dealing with Italian cars and parts is one thing......"Better expensive than not for sale" but it's a bit steep for just one brake disc.....
N. I have a similar set of calipers (well, on my 156GTA - which uses a similar large Brembo), having change the pads a number of times over our long ownership - I recently had to change both discs and pads. All were brand new genuine parts. The problem is .... I now have a squeal - on the final bit of breaking. Just as you come to that final bit of stopping, at say traffic lights. I was really, really careful when installing the new discs / pads etc to make sure everything was thoroughly (and I mean thoroughly) clean. Lots of old toothbrush cleaning with brake cleaner around the stainless plates etc where the pad sits, for example, lots of wire brushing. I know there can be corrosion under these (stainless plates) that lifts them up for example and holds the pads too tight. But none of that really, and some careful copper grease in places - but I now have this annoying squeal, all the time on final breaking. Have you had this before - and found a remedy?
Great video, showing just what I needed to see. But can you tell me the torque for the Torx bolts holding the caliper in place? I can't find this info anywhere! Thanks.
I broke 2 ratchets today trying to get the calliper carrier bolts out of a Mito Veloce I`m breaking, because I only had a 3/8" drive socket for the torq/star bolts, but only got 1/2" breakers & guns. Bastard things. Managed to borrow a 1/2" to 3/8 adapter in the end.
You could of just got the replacement rotor without the centre which come in at around £300 for a pair
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Few technical remarks, don’t take it wrong, I love your work :). Generally it is not a good idea putting copper grease between brake disc and aloy wheel, these two never stick together. Only steel rims do that. Never put aluminium and copper together, it doesnt like each other, chemical reaction starts eating up your alu rims slowly. Grease just a wheel hub under the brake disc so you don’t have to hammer it down next time. It is steel to steel surface and it will be just fine. I’d replace securing pins with a new set for few pounds to avoid any damage next time. It’s not a reasonable saving using old rusty pins if you already spent more than 1000 quid for discs and pads.
Certainly had alloy wheels stick to the steel of the hub (especially around the centre locating rim - takes very little corrosion there for the wheel to be jammed on)
Hey, good Video, i am about to Change the Brakes on my own Competizione but i cant find the Newtonmeters of the Brake Calipers to the Axle, how much NM did you use?
Hi i noticed u got the wire stuck for pads it moved up when u moved the disc and u never pluged it in on video so hope u fixed it or will be broken soon as drive it i watched video a few times that bit u look and see wire move when u turn disc lol fab videos btw👍😉
Great video. People have said to me front brakes are easy, but despite the best guide I've ever seen, not for me! Out of interest how much were the pads at full price, and how much labour would a main stealer charge? Ta 😀
Brembo`s are always massively overpriced, if you think they`re bad, check out the BMW M or Jag R prices for them, they`re like the cost of a 10yo Abarth just for a front disc & pad change.. 500 Abarths can fade if you hammer them, but theres much cheaper ways of upgrading them than fitting Brembo`s.
Heard horror stories about euro car parts, people buying knock offs or seconds disguised as originals. Fortunately my turismo doesn’t have brembos. Mines tuned to a good deal more power than the comp and the brakes are more than enough, I imagine these were created for the track.
Ouch, expensive. Had to laugh, just been watching a guy sorting out a rusty Rolex. He commented on some of the rusty bits being serious chunks of metal, so they'd be ok after de-rusting. Then I see your wonderfully delicate lump hammer. Perspective I suppose.
Hi Neil. Thanks for the video (and all the others too). I wanted to change the brakes on my 159 Ti yesterday, but the pins are seized. The point is now flat. What would you advice for getting them out? And also, the calliper is connected with a solid pipe instead of a flexible brake hose. Do you really have to bleed the system in order to get the discs out?
Which 595 is this? I took my Brembo equipped 595 Turismo to Blyton for a track day and, at something less than racing speeds (I race a 69 Giulia), the brakes were useless (long pedal) after a lap. So, either the Brembos in the video are a worthwhile addition (if you track your 595) or, if they’re the same as mine were, they’re useless as standard.
@@ItaliaAutos then probably worthy of some decent brakes if used in anger (and I’d hope a 695 was). The Turismo’s brakes (a heavier car?) weren’t up to much.
That's what you get if you go for fancy tuning brand labels. At least half of that price is for the brand name. Mr. Abarth will probably be spinning in his grave. He was at the time glad to get by on tuning tiny cars. I wonder what a genuine Matt's Italia Autos set wil cost in 50 years.
Brembo 09.B085.13 two piece brake disc. I almost feel sorry for the customer if you charged him 500 x2 pund for them. It is pretty easy too them for less then 450 pund for both. 😂
As far as I know now , you should not remove the calliper screws as you did as those are expansion screws (should be used only once) - it is better to remove the screws at the back (from the calliper bracket). Bad luck - it did it as in this video and you cannot buy the screws at fiat store! No way to find it…
@@ItaliaAutos well also the fact that fiat does not list them shows me that those bolts are not there to be removed… If you buy the Abarth Brembo kit, those screws are also not touched - it is already in place… Anyway quite some people say that is it a risk not to change them (which makes a bit of a bad feeling for me now)… If you are sure and you‘ve read the Abarth repair manual - all fine 😀
@@ItaliaAutos no I fully appreciate what you said in the vid, unlike a lot of people that comment, I do pay attention. That still works out at 258 a disc which is still more than the 235...
@@cleanlinesautomotive9826 best price customer could find at the time. Lots of the ones listed on ebay are out of stock but still listed. Even my Abath supplier where around the same price. Thanks for watching 👍
Great brakes, unfortunately the rest of the car is a disaster - no steering feel coupled with weird weighting, awful suspension settings resulting in crap handling. I basic ST Fiesta is miles better. Basically a cynical marketing exercise.
sorry you must of lost feeling in your arms. in the 2 595 comps ive owned they have great feel, you know what each wheel is doing all of the time, yes susp is hard but it handles so well. ive also tracked a 595 and think there great value for money. ive also driven a new ST great cars but lacks personality in my opinion. thanks for watching.
@@ItaliaAutos As an ex racer and track instructor for a number of tracks in the UK, I think I have perhaps a more accurate perspective, which aligns with the road tests of this car. Using the Abarth name strikes me as a marketing exercise given the car was poorly developed, the ST or something like the GR Yaris have real development behind them. We tried a couple of these as part of our track day fleet. One of them lunched its gearbox on the first day, but worse they were rubbery, inconsistent and about as hardcore as a DFS sofa.
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I picked up my Competizione from the Fiat dealer near Bognor Regis on Friday. Absolutely love it, such a hoot to drive and the sound from the Monza Record exhaust is exquisite..👌🏼 If any one is thinking of buying one, just do it, before we’re all in sterile driving, touchscreen activated EVs.
I've had 2 already and still want another. Maybe a 595c comp next.
@@ItaliaAutos I am so glad I got it. So nearly bought a Golf GTI as it is more “practical”, but then I said to myself sod practicality and went for the 595 Comp.
SO TRUE…. Enjoy it!🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
Nice vid, interesting to see how a professional approaches this job. my OCD would never let me put new discs & pads on that car without a thorough cleaning of that gorgeous red Brembo caliper first though 😁
You said it!
No point in cleaning it first with my grubby hands and all the brake dust I knocked off.
@@ItaliaAutos with my OCD id go broke over night mate lol .
I like the terminology for the fine adjustment tool. I was brought up thinking it was called a Birmingham screwdriver.
Love my Alfa's, but would love one of these, never been in one to be honest, they remind me of my 5 Turbo from back in the day. Great video Nelly, identical Brembo set up as my smelly old 08 Brera.
"A fool and their money are easily parted" - Parts suppliers everywhere
Those brakes are massive overkill for a road car really...
Particularly given the weight of the car and unless you're track racing those discs aren't needed to do the job.
They aren’t it’s a little car but very high bhp and it would be under braked with normal brake discs on .Iv had a bigger car with what you would say are adequate brakes but it was massively under braked and it really needed brembos on it but it was a 3000 pound upgrade when the car was new unfortunately the 1st owner didn’t think they were required
@@bmwman1981 Hearing ya but Dude it has a relatively normal 121 kW/t on a featherweight 1100 kg. My JCW has more. Hell even my Alfa has 6 pot Brembos that cost nowhere near this extortionist price. Neither did my Porsche whos brakes are way bigger than these. Simply change the brakes to a different Brembo model. Bad form on Fiat for making this stupid spec. But I'm glad I now know as if I want a 595 I'm smashing the owner with a £1,000 discount should the rotors be worn! It's prob the main reason many go for sale too. Owners simply freak out and just decide to sell it than get raped in the ass.
Yes, overkill - sort of. Opposed piston brakes gives better modularity, so a skilled driver can brake right on the point... but on the road and most drivers, simply unneeded and adds extra cost. Two part discs - this is probably the one area where it really is worth it. For such a light car, if you can save a few kilo's of unsprung mass, it will make a big change in the vehicle dynamics. I noticed going from 266 to 283mm discs on a 1 tonne car made the steering less responsive (increased weight).
"Too much brake" said nobody ever :) The only problem with this set up is not how overkill it is but the extortionate cost to replace, cheap, cheerful, fast cars are awesome. But not when paying Porsche prices!
@@khalidacosta7133 My Porsche brakes were cheaper than this for a 1600 kg / 400 hp car with 6 pot Brembos. Floating rotors on a 595 is simply a complete wankfest. This Fiat choice lands squarely in the basket labeled 'Stupid'.
One of favorite cars i've owned , for the Money sound and fun they cant be beaten .
Neil what i have learned over the years dealing with Italian cars and parts is one thing......"Better expensive than not for sale" but it's a bit steep for just one brake disc.....
N. I have a similar set of calipers (well, on my 156GTA - which uses a similar large Brembo), having change the pads a number of times over our long ownership - I recently had to change both discs and pads. All were brand new genuine parts. The problem is .... I now have a squeal - on the final bit of breaking. Just as you come to that final bit of stopping, at say traffic lights. I was really, really careful when installing the new discs / pads etc to make sure everything was thoroughly (and I mean thoroughly) clean. Lots of old toothbrush cleaning with brake cleaner around the stainless plates etc where the pad sits, for example, lots of wire brushing. I know there can be corrosion under these (stainless plates) that lifts them up for example and holds the pads too tight. But none of that really, and some careful copper grease in places - but I now have this annoying squeal, all the time on final breaking. Have you had this before - and found a remedy?
Great video, showing just what I needed to see. But can you tell me the torque for the Torx bolts holding the caliper in place? I can't find this info anywhere! Thanks.
I broke 2 ratchets today trying to get the calliper carrier bolts out of a Mito Veloce I`m breaking, because I only had a 3/8" drive socket for the torq/star bolts, but only got 1/2" breakers & guns. Bastard things. Managed to borrow a 1/2" to 3/8 adapter in the end.
the joys of motoring eye watering nice vid though neil
Thanks for watching.
@@ItaliaAutos 99%do neil very rare i miss a vid
You could of just got the replacement rotor without the centre which come in at around £300 for a pair
Few technical remarks, don’t take it wrong, I love your work :). Generally it is not a good idea putting copper grease between brake disc and aloy wheel, these two never stick together. Only steel rims do that. Never put aluminium and copper together, it doesnt like each other, chemical reaction starts eating up your alu rims slowly. Grease just a wheel hub under the brake disc so you don’t have to hammer it down next time. It is steel to steel surface and it will be just fine.
I’d replace securing pins with a new set for few pounds to avoid any damage next time. It’s not a reasonable saving using old rusty pins if you already spent more than 1000 quid for discs and pads.
Certainly had alloy wheels stick to the steel of the hub (especially around the centre locating rim - takes very little corrosion there for the wheel to be jammed on)
@@katywalker8322 yep fully agree. Wife had a fiat 500x with 18" wheels and one totally seized into the hub!!
I wish the pins on my Brera came out that easy. Ended up cutting them out
Excellent video . Many thanks. Keep up the good work !
The way those pads went in so tight suggests the inside sliding surfaces of the caliper needed cleaning....just like you actually mentioned.
Nice one. Careful of the brake dust flying off when tapping discs.
Pretty certain Alcon or AP will stock identical rotors so you can keep the bells. No way Abarth can afford a custom size rotor.
Thanks for the info!
Hey, good Video, i am about to Change the Brakes on my own Competizione but i cant find the Newtonmeters of the Brake Calipers to the Axle, how much NM did you use?
Crazy money, nice job.
What size is the torque socket?
Yeah surprised me the cost. Recently replaced the front discs on my wife’s 595 Competizione
At that price why not get the old discs refaced....or is that not possible for some reason ?
What’s the liege expectancy out of these disks with normal driving? Can’t see my self spending that much on a disk
that ratchet sounds like something from B & M haha
A full set of genuine front & rear Brembo discs & pads including fluid is £less than £600 on ebay (new obviously)
Hi i noticed u got the wire stuck for pads it moved up when u moved the disc and u never pluged it in on video so hope u fixed it or will be broken soon as drive it i watched video a few times that bit u look and see wire move when u turn disc lol fab videos btw👍😉
wait till bro finds out you can take the pads out with caliper mounted
what is the torque setting for the caliper bracket bolts?
what no please!
He’s done this before I see......skill
Great video. People have said to me front brakes are easy, but despite the best guide I've ever seen, not for me! Out of interest how much were the pads at full price, and how much labour would a main stealer charge? Ta 😀
Brembo`s are always massively overpriced, if you think they`re bad, check out the BMW M or Jag R prices for them, they`re like the cost of a 10yo Abarth just for a front disc & pad change..
500 Abarths can fade if you hammer them, but theres much cheaper ways of upgrading them than fitting Brembo`s.
They’re actually more like £350-400 for the pair if you buy them from the right place
Cheapest I could find at the time for genuine was around £500
Autodoc price £251.27 each if it's the same part?
Heard horror stories about euro car parts, people buying knock offs or seconds disguised as originals. Fortunately my turismo doesn’t have brembos. Mines tuned to a good deal more power than the comp and the brakes are more than enough, I imagine these were created for the track.
Ouch, expensive.
Had to laugh, just been watching a guy sorting out a rusty Rolex. He commented on some of the rusty bits being serious chunks of metal, so they'd be ok after de-rusting. Then I see your wonderfully delicate lump hammer. Perspective I suppose.
I think the same 😅
Just checked my 2020 reg EsseEsse brembo equipped discs a single piece disc...so is the two piece actually required.
Pre-2016 Brembos are two piece. Later ones are not.
Surely stealership prices.....imagine its not an uncommon disc size for modern fiats so aftermarket bound to be less than £300 a pair......
Hi Neil. Thanks for the video (and all the others too). I wanted to change the brakes on my 159 Ti yesterday, but the pins are seized. The point is now flat. What would you advice for getting them out? And also, the calliper is connected with a solid pipe instead of a flexible brake hose. Do you really have to bleed the system in order to get the discs out?
can you not take the whole caliper off and get it in a vice? get a good drift and smack it out.
@@therushden I am not equipped for bleeding the brake system, so I wanted to keep the calliper on the car if possible.
Brembo!!! 👍
Should you not have cleaned and greased those pins before tapping back in?
Did you even watch the video. Lol. Yes I did
Can't believe the price of those disc's Neil 😮
Which 595 is this? I took my Brembo equipped 595 Turismo to Blyton for a track day and, at something less than racing speeds (I race a 69 Giulia), the brakes were useless (long pedal) after a lap. So, either the Brembos in the video are a worthwhile addition (if you track your 595) or, if they’re the same as mine were, they’re useless as standard.
695 xsr but same brakes as all comps fro. 2016
@@ItaliaAutos then probably worthy of some decent brakes if used in anger (and I’d hope a 695 was). The Turismo’s brakes (a heavier car?) weren’t up to much.
@@meanredspider having owned 2 comps the brakes are awesome
That's what you get if you go for fancy tuning brand labels. At least half of that price is for the brand name. Mr. Abarth will probably be spinning in his grave. He was at the time glad to get by on tuning tiny cars. I wonder what a genuine Matt's Italia Autos set wil cost in 50 years.
Did the owner do the rear as well?
Yes just didn't film it as there easy.
Brembo 09.B085.13 two piece brake disc. I almost feel sorry for the customer if you charged him 500 x2 pund for them. It is pretty easy too them for less then 450 pund for both. 😂
Don't think you watched it all did you. 👍
Where are you based please? Enjoy your videos I’m looking for a comp 595 ASAP
Walsall west midlands
@@ItaliaAutos cheers 👍
swimming discs, not a must have. full forged do it well.
Knocking and tapping sent cloud of brake dust straight into your lungs.......
As far as I know now , you should not remove the calliper screws as you did as those are expansion screws (should be used only once) - it is better to remove the screws at the back (from the calliper bracket).
Bad luck - it did it as in this video and you cannot buy the screws at fiat store! No way to find it…
Sorry don't think they are.
@@ItaliaAutos well also the fact that fiat does not list them shows me that those bolts are not there to be removed…
If you buy the Abarth Brembo kit, those screws are also not touched - it is already in place…
Anyway quite some people say that is it a risk not to change them (which makes a bit of a bad feeling for me now)…
If you are sure and you‘ve read the Abarth repair manual - all fine 😀
Been using them for many years never had an issue
Meanwhile an m2 brake rotor is £675 for one
It hurts seeing that caliper bouncing on that brake pipe...
Yes my bad for all of 1 second before it was supported. 👍😂
@@ItaliaAutos It was hanging the whole time until you got the cloth ;)
they can’t make them in one piece since the hat is made of aluminum
Can get these discs for a lot less than that lol. found them for £235 online.. The owners been proper mugged off there.
He ended up getting 50%off I did say in the video.
@@ItaliaAutos no I fully appreciate what you said in the vid, unlike a lot of people that comment, I do pay attention. That still works out at 258 a disc which is still more than the 235...
@@cleanlinesautomotive9826 best price customer could find at the time. Lots of the ones listed on ebay are out of stock but still listed. Even my Abath supplier where around the same price. Thanks for watching 👍
@@ItaliaAutos Yeah, that's fair enough dude.. I'm just a tight arse lol...
Brt motorsport for cheaper discs
Hope he remembered that brake sensor connector!!
Of course.
These are supposed to be affordable cars for the everyday man. That's ridiculous!
Just don't buy the top model if this item is out of your price range, as they use normal discs. 👍
@@ItaliaAutos Never said it was out of my price range. Brakes on a Fiat shopping trolley should not be £1000.
Never meant you personally 😃
Fiat doing themselves no favours with such gouging. Absolutely ridiculous.
How alfa is that my god hope got pad sensors lol
Not expensive compared to my rs6 breaks lol 😆
I bet.
Cars not even that fast/powerful is it, to need such expensive parts? My giulia veloce, pads and discs front and back, £250
They are proper little pocket rockets.
I had a ‘basic’ 500 Abarth and it was definitely under-braked
My wife’s 595 Abarth Competizione came with 180bhp as standard. Don’t underestimate these little cars they can move.
Great brakes, unfortunately the rest of the car is a disaster - no steering feel coupled with weird weighting, awful suspension settings resulting in crap handling. I basic ST Fiesta is miles better. Basically a cynical marketing exercise.
sorry you must of lost feeling in your arms. in the 2 595 comps ive owned they have great feel, you know what each wheel is doing all of the time, yes susp is hard but it handles so well. ive also tracked a 595 and think there great value for money. ive also driven a new ST great cars but lacks personality in my opinion. thanks for watching.
@@ItaliaAutos As an ex racer and track instructor for a number of tracks in the UK, I think I have perhaps a more accurate perspective, which aligns with the road tests of this car. Using the Abarth name strikes me as a marketing exercise given the car was poorly developed, the ST or something like the GR Yaris have real development behind them.
We tried a couple of these as part of our track day fleet. One of them lunched its gearbox on the first day, but worse they were rubbery, inconsistent and about as hardcore as a DFS sofa.