The article linked in the description doesn't quite contain that, but does contain graphs of how it reduces the ambient dust in the air, and how his older version performed. Not quite what you're looking for, but should provide insight.
That color of paint should be renamed Matthias Green, instead of Machinery Green. He is probably solely responsible for a 10 fold increase in the sale of that color.
This made me run up to my attic where i thought i had a fan like this lying and yes there it was. Been thinking i had to buy something now im going to do it this way instead! Great inspiration as always.
+Wintergatan Didn't expect you to be a subscriber to this channel but i guess that makes sense. Great job on the marble machine, really inspirational piece of machinery and music.
Haha. I was thinking that exact same thing when I saw he wasn't wearing any gloves. I would have cut myself multiple times, especially since it was rusty.
+NorthernChev Well, next time when the filter is gunked up it's only 11 Dollars for some new filter material. In the long run it's much cheaper and probably more efficient.
RandomInsano2 You realize that you wouldn't have to build the whole box again and again? Just rip the filter material out and stick some new in. Done :)
Wouldn't it be possible to have a series of dowels screwed into the box in alternating high and low positions, and then wind the filter material around them to get that same zigzag pattern? You'd lose a bit of surface to where it was in contact with the dowels, but you'd be able to tension it pretty well.
+Matthias Wandel use wire under tension.... that way there is a really small surface, even smaller than with the chickenwire. but still a bitt of a mess to get a new filter in there...
you could just use sticks in a . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . pattern and weaved the filter in between them for a tight rigid filter with sticks instead of the chicken wire
+nizmojoeblows In Matthias's drawing, the filter fabric is lying on top of the dowels. OP is suggesting weaving the fabric through. Fewer dowels would be required for the same stiffness.
+Ch3ckm4t3 That was my first thought, but what he is really doing is replacing the ghetto cardboard enclosing assembly and allowing for $11 replacement filters vs. $35 replacement filters. Personally, if I was going to go to that amount of effort I would have gone with a multi-stage filter and put the filter in a separate assembly so it can be more easily taken outside and blown clean.
Weave the material tightly between two rows of dowels/rods spaced alternatively. Far less dowels (compared to what you had sketched), no chicken wire needed, and very little to no deformation in the fabric when it's under a load ;)
Matthias Wandel Isn't blocking the material the point? There would be increased resistance with a dowel in the apex, but very little. A basic fan with a high static pressure rating shouldn't have any trouble ;) And I would assume changing the filter material when necessary would be a lot easier than removing the chicken wire to reform new filter material around it, then install it again...but it's your time lol. Good luck!
***** Re-read the comment. Remove the chicken wire, fiddle around reforming the filter material into the wire form, then re-install the contraption vs simply pulling the filter out and weaving in another. I really can't see how the latter wouldn't be much easier to do. PS, it was just a suggestion - some people have open minds, I mistook Matthias as one of those people I guess. Regardless, I didn't question anyone, but as a journeyman carpenter and cabinet maker, I'm not about to bow to the guy either lol
After watching enough of Matthias's videos and reading his responses to comments, its very apparent that he does not take suggestions or constructive criticism well. His only obvious fault. He has a brilliant mind, but many people with brilliant minds tend to think their way is always best. I prefer people that can take their brilliant ideas to the next level by incorporating good ideas from other people and giving them credit where due.
+Matthias Wandel You could make it easier to change the filter if you made the rods moveable all way to the other end. So you move the bottom rods to the top, the top rods to the bottom, put filter fabric flat on it, and put the rods in their original position
Brave working with chicken wire without good leather gloves. That stuff can cut flesh almost as good as concertina wire. Even braver is grinding MDF to purposely create a cloud of poison MDF dust without wearing a respirator.
+Dana Shea Yeah, but you only need to do it all once. Then you save 24 bucks every time you change the air filter. It's like changing the oil on your own car. You could pay someone to do it for some convenience, or you could just do it yourself and save money. It's a no-brainer.
+Serge Francis or u could spend 80 bucks once and buy a washable filter with a lifetime warranty and only have to take it out and hose it off when its dirty.
I just take a 20 inch box fan and duct tape a 20 inch by 20 inch A/C filter to it. Works great for my needs and its portable. Using a high quality filter it even helps out in the house during allergy season.
Great video and it is something I looked at making for myself. You mentioned (around 4:30) using rods to hole the filter material instead of chicken wire. The one method you didn't mention but which would be very effective at holding the filter paper would be to place two rows of rods/dowels on alternate centres and about 2-3 inches apart. After this, just weave the filter paper back and forth between each rod/dowel in a zig-zag format. The filter paper could be easily changed and would be held taut in the filter box.
I'm currently looking at doing exactly that. has anyone ever done this successfully and is there some deeper information i'm currently unable to find? would appreciate feedback on the topic. Thanks :)
+woodsprout you must be new around here.. this guy pulls apart old inkjet printers for the metal rods, stepper motors and e clips so of course he has plenty to lose.. oh and he can see them easy due to the squeaky clean shop that this air filter allows!
Great idea, I just wonder if you could also create big cylindrical cartridge filters which are used on the commercial cyclones and usually are REALLY expensive.
You were talking about how you needed a lot of sticks to fix it in place, but wouldn't just one at the top and one at the bottom of each triangle be enough?
You sir...are just plain awesome! I love your videos and am in such envy and admiration of your shop and your tools! Love the creativity and the whole idea behind finding solutions and always looking for better, and different ways of doing things. Really wish I had the money/ time/ space to work as you do. Simply in awe as usual! Keep up the good work my friend!
Probably would have saved a lot of time just slapping a cheap air filter on the back of a box fan. I have no way to test the effectiveness compared to your solution but it has greatly reduced the dust for me.
Couldn't you have put dowels at the top and bottom and then "wove" the filter materials over and under the dowels? The tension between the top of one weave and the bottom the of subsequent weave would likely keep the materials taught. So long as you have the dowels on the correct side to prevent the materials from being blown out by air movement, it seems like it would have been an easier and more repeatable process for the filter material over time.
Good point about blocking the martial at the peaks and valleys. The material looks pretty soft in the video so I assumed it would flow over and under the dowels with ease but I guess when taking out the dirty material out, it would be a different story. None, the less, another great video!
$11 filter material $?? Matthias green paint $?? screws (probably found in trash E-clip (also probably found in trash $0 lumber (home made sawmill and trash) $0 chicken wire (stolen from chickens) Whole unit will probably be paid for by youtube in a day. priceless!!
it is awesome, but considering you have the space giving it more clearance between the blades and the filter/grill itself can make it a lot quieter, just a little tip if you care about the noise as i do.
man, there is some really cool design-thinking in here. the only thing that might be missing is a solution for cleaning the filter easily Other then that: very impressive!
I made mine very different. I had a box fan, some big rubber bands that I used to secure a furnace filter against the side that I bought to fit the fan that I paid $7 for, like a MERV 12, if I recall. Whatever that means?
Matthias Wandel No, don't get me wrong. I agree with you whole heartedly. I myself like to do stuff myself even though I know it will take more time and sometimes even cost more. Just a stupid remark by me.
Great work. Pls make something related to affordable acoustic walls or workspace . Or acoustics box around surrounding noisy tools . Considering not anoying nabours.
+pangtsr Funny how "don't get me wrong" always comes in front of something offensive. Now go talk to anybody who has a hobby and ask them how likes to experiment or has a hobby how much their time is worth.
+pangtsr You're missing the whole point. You see, he has to do this only once. After that, all that he has to do is replace that filter material. So exactly, where is this time/effort equation of your going? Because it sure ain't going to the good comment section.
+pangtsr I felt the same way at first, but then I realized, his build is permanent. The only thing he does in the future is change the fabric so over time hes paying 11.00 per filter rather than 35.00. Hes not having to build this chicken wire every time, That was a 1 time build. From now on few minutes switch out the cloth your done. Question is how much dust and debris will shake up changing that filter and be inhaled also. All in all great project and gave me ideas for a different way but you got to respect his skills non the less.
+pangtsr Making youtube videos is his bread and butter. So, in fact, you've made him rich watching him save on that $35 filter. So yes, his time and effort has made him a lot of money.
that's to much work.... to make it Easier, Just Buy the filter. For the amount of time wasted, you could already have the filter..... Remember this, "Time Is Money" thanks for the video, and your TIME...
Realistically, if someone was watching this video, they'd be able to order a furnace filter online as easy as it would be to watch how to make one from scratch. If someone had to buy the chicken wire, wood, filter material and man power spent on 1 filter, it would be cheaper to buy one than making one from scratch.
The same could be said for basically everything that comes out of a home shop. If you like to experiment and build things this is a reasonable and interesting project.
For those of you fortunate enough to spend whatever you like on filters, good for you. No need to attempt to ridicule the poster - just makes you look silly. If you are ever on a plane that goes down on a desert island, you will want this guy with you!
Cool project! Regarding the issue with your sled sticking to the table top, I've found very very lightly dressing the table top with a 400-600 grit sand paper every couple years, and then applying some johnson paste wax to the surface keeps things sliding nice and smooth for quite a while. It's also little less messy than using oil.
Cool! .. but I see you need a workshop to make a workshop air cleaner. If I had a lovely big workshop filled with nice machines like yours I would probably just buy one. .. great video and I love your bespoke Enginuity.!
With the dowels and some gears / belts you could make a filter that you could roll up on the other side and feed in clean cloth on the other maybe with and old velulex blanket that's washable.
You are brilliant in coming up with solutions. Question... My 2 car garage has about 15 foot ceilings. Do you think something like this would work fine that high or do you think I'd need to lower it? Thanks.
The Dylos Particle Counter is a great tool. I bought one several years ago (they are a bit expensive), but it's saved me more than the purchase price on air cleaner filters. Even when the filters look filthy, they still do a good job of getting the count down. My store bought air cleaner used a non standard size filter (hard to find except from them, no surprise), so I cut down a 20 x 20 filter to their 18 x 20 size, and it worked a treat. Anyway, that was a nice video - refreshing to see one of the younger guys using their heads instead of their wallets.
The idea with the sticks supporting the filter material could actually have been better than the chicken wire. If you put a stick on the inside of each peak and valley, then attacked each side, so the material could not move, then regardless of the airflow on the material, it wouldn't move.
I really like this 2 in 1 idea and am thinking about building it. How do you feel this compares to a box fan with a similar filter material applied to the back?
Matthias, I'm planning on getting some of the plans for your machines because they're basically wonderful and I need them. However, before I go and do that, I wonder if you'd have any direction on which would be best to go with first? I'd specifically like to get the box joint jig and the pantorouter plans. I'm asking because I noticed in one of the build videos for the pantorouter XL that it had some mortise and tenons. This had me wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to try at the slot mortiser before the pantorouter in particular. If there would be any other advice that you would be willing to give on this front I would appreciate it quite a bit. Thanks for your time!
Matthias, I loved your particle count graph over time data. I was wondering what the graph would look like with no filters on whatsoever as a control. One might expect the particles would eventually fall out of the air onto the floor, and I'm wondering on what timescale this is, and whether it also has the form of an exponential decay.
+Daniel Walsh Well, I'm fairly sure it would since the settling of particles is based on the number of particles. Also, he does have a couple extra graphs in the article linked in the description, although they're of how it reduces the particulate in ambient air, and his older version.
You did this the hard way. Get a washable filter from the company called Air-Care. They make lifetime air filters that can just be hosed off when dirty which in a single year you'll save $$$. You can get one that is literally the same dimensions as a common box fan. You can then tape and seal with some HVAC tape to the back of the high velocity box fan (they sell them at walmart) and it will do the same thing for a hell of a lot less trouble, although your box is cool it's not really worth the work.
Great project but doesn't it cost more than $35 after all that work, folding, joint cutting, etc? I'd rather buy a filter and get on with some other projects that you CAN'T buy ready-made!
Now to cut some additional cost just take the filter out and put it in the washing machine, running on cold with a bit of bleach and powder should take care of it considering that filter paper adds a bit of resistance I often reduce the size of the fan blades by %5-%10 by cutting them. that way fan's rpm would drop by much less. also, to get better suction and less bleed put the fan in a duct, get it as close to the blade as possible and at least 2/3 of the width of the blade. in this case I would just use the reminder of that fibre board to make a loop and glue it around the hole, easy. Those 50W fan motors are so easy to come by, I wish they had a bit more torque or rpm or both..., slightly larger versions of these are out there that are around 100W, those are much nicer for DIY projects
Would have liked to see a control run on the dust experiment. Just curious how quickly dust settles naturally.
+Practical Engineering I was curious about this too.
+Practical Engineering that was my first though!
The article linked in the description doesn't quite contain that, but does contain graphs of how it reduces the ambient dust in the air, and how his older version performed. Not quite what you're looking for, but should provide insight.
That color of paint should be renamed Matthias Green, instead of Machinery Green. He is probably solely responsible for a 10 fold increase in the sale of that color.
lol
+Anthony Browning truth has been spoken
If I was looking for some paint and saw some Matthias Green, I wouldn't be able to resist.
mickenoss mo.
Actually it's called Calypso Green. ;)
2:16- the man himself, give it up for DJ Wandel!!
This made me run up to my attic where i thought i had a fan like this lying and yes there it was. Been thinking i had to buy something now im going to do it this way instead! Great inspiration as always.
+Wintergatan Didn't expect you to be a subscriber to this channel but i guess that makes sense. Great job on the marble machine, really inspirational piece of machinery and music.
Perfect box joints every time :) Nice project!
+Watermelon will That profile picture tho.
+Toolify ........and so fast too ;-)
Did you really make it through all that chicken wire work without drawing blood?
+Wordsnwood (Art Mulder) Surprisingly, yes
He bleeds yellow glue.
Wordsnwood (Art Mulder) now THAT is art
Haha. I was thinking that exact same thing when I saw he wasn't wearing any gloves. I would have cut myself multiple times, especially since it was rusty.
lol. $38 turns out to be a pretty good deal after all, huh?
+NorthernChev But now he can just replace the cloth if it gets too dusty.
+NorthernChev Well, next time when the filter is gunked up it's only 11 Dollars for some new filter material. In the long run it's much cheaper and probably more efficient.
It all depends what your time is worth. :P
For me, that's saving about an hour per filter.
RandomInsano2
You realize that you wouldn't have to build the whole box again and again? Just rip the filter material out and stick some new in. Done :)
Alex Wielinga
Whatever fits you is right for you :) Have a nice weekend!
Wouldn't it be possible to have a series of dowels screwed into the box in alternating high and low positions, and then wind the filter material around them to get that same zigzag pattern? You'd lose a bit of surface to where it was in contact with the dowels, but you'd be able to tension it pretty well.
+IVIaskerade That would make it really hard to change the filter, and blocks a lot of the material where it wraps around the dowels.
+Matthias Wandel use wire under tension.... that way there is a really small surface, even smaller than with the chickenwire.
but still a bitt of a mess to get a new filter in there...
+IVIaskerade Dowels at the top, just wires at the bottom
10:22 That feeling when you've made everything around you from scratch.
+MrCube17 Look at him working all smug
And knowing what you need to do if you need to fix it.
My eyes really popped open when I saw that crazy homemade tablesaw jig for cutting finger joints. That when I knew I had to subscribe.
yeah, i want one too!
There was no reason why I needed to watch that but it's so therapeutic watching you build stuff...
Totaly ! Dame for me ;)
Same here. I love watching his mad scientist creativity.
+Meet the Tings Watching talented people is definitely fun - especially when you're not talented yourself :)
There's a term for that: "competence porn". Marthias' videos are a prime example of the genre.
+SolarWebsite i'm gona search si Gard for this type of video ;) thx so much ;)
Oh, how I hope you have trademarked that colour as Wandel green
you could just use sticks in a . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . pattern
and weaved the filter in between them for a tight rigid filter with sticks instead of the chicken wire
+CaptainSkelebones That's a neat-o idea right there.
+CaptainSkelebones I was going to suggest that also. Good video +Matthiaswandel
+CaptainSkelebones did u suggest that after watching the video where he suggests it? or before? Did you even watch the video...?
+nizmojoeblows In Matthias's drawing, the filter fabric is lying on top of the dowels. OP is suggesting weaving the fabric through. Fewer dowels would be required for the same stiffness.
I love the ASMR sounds from this video.
I'd rather pay $35 to go through all that trouble...
ok
+Ch3ckm4t3 That was my first thought, but what he is really doing is replacing the ghetto cardboard enclosing assembly and allowing for $11 replacement filters vs. $35 replacement filters. Personally, if I was going to go to that amount of effort I would have gone with a multi-stage filter and put the filter in a separate assembly so it can be more easily taken outside and blown clean.
Or send it out the window with a fan. It's only wood dust, nothing dangerous.
+Ch3ckm4t3 I'd rather build something and not pay $35.
+Bob C Don't bother explaining to sheeple, they've got their brita water filters, and hepa certified vacuum cleaners!
Very cool! And it looks nice indeed!
Weave the material tightly between two rows of dowels/rods spaced alternatively. Far less dowels (compared to what you had sketched), no chicken wire needed, and very little to no deformation in the fabric when it's under a load ;)
+James Biggar Makes it really hard to change the filter, and blocks a lot of the matierla where it wraps around the dowels.
Matthias Wandel Isn't blocking the material the point? There would be increased resistance with a dowel in the apex, but very little. A basic fan with a high static pressure rating shouldn't have any trouble ;) And I would assume changing the filter material when necessary would be a lot easier than removing the chicken wire to reform new filter material around it, then install it again...but it's your time lol. Good luck!
***** Re-read the comment. Remove the chicken wire, fiddle around reforming the filter material into the wire form, then re-install the contraption vs simply pulling the filter out and weaving in another. I really can't see how the latter wouldn't be much easier to do.
PS, it was just a suggestion - some people have open minds, I mistook Matthias as one of those people I guess. Regardless, I didn't question anyone, but as a journeyman carpenter and cabinet maker, I'm not about to bow to the guy either lol
After watching enough of Matthias's videos and reading his responses to comments, its very apparent that he does not take suggestions or constructive criticism well. His only obvious fault. He has a brilliant mind, but many people with brilliant minds tend to think their way is always best. I prefer people that can take their brilliant ideas to the next level by incorporating good ideas from other people and giving them credit where due.
+Matthias Wandel You could make it easier to change the filter if you made the rods moveable all way to the other end. So you move the bottom rods to the top, the top rods to the bottom, put filter fabric flat on it, and put the rods in their original position
Brave working with chicken wire without good leather gloves. That stuff can cut flesh almost as good as concertina wire.
Even braver is grinding MDF to purposely create a cloud of poison MDF dust without wearing a respirator.
After all that work, the $35 filter doesn't look so expensive.
+Dana Shea Yeah, but you only need to do it all once. Then you save 24 bucks every time you change the air filter. It's like changing the oil on your own car. You could pay someone to do it for some convenience, or you could just do it yourself and save money. It's a no-brainer.
You missed the point.
+Serge Francis or u could spend 80 bucks once and buy a washable filter with a lifetime warranty and only have to take it out and hose it off when its dirty.
+Gonzo There you go. Best option yet. Now if only we could make that lifetime filter. Get on it Matthias.
$4-$6 for good quality 20x20 rigid air filters ready to use at your hardware store, Walmart, & Amazon.
Way easier to part with the 30$, and clean it often
Maybe someone could make a machine washable version. Work floors can be loud and an active washing machine wouldnt change much.
What is the filtering capacity in microns?
I have absolutely no interest in any form of craftsmanship, but whether it's function or form, the projects in your videos always excite me
I just take a 20 inch box fan and duct tape a 20 inch by 20 inch A/C filter to it. Works great for my needs and its portable. Using a high quality filter it even helps out in the house during allergy season.
Great video and it is something I looked at making for myself.
You mentioned (around 4:30) using rods to hole the filter material instead of chicken wire. The one method you didn't mention but which would be very effective at holding the filter paper would be to place two rows of rods/dowels on alternate centres and about 2-3 inches apart. After this, just weave the filter paper back and forth between each rod/dowel in a zig-zag format. The filter paper could be easily changed and would be held taut in the filter box.
I'm currently looking at doing exactly that. has anyone ever done this successfully and is there some deeper information i'm currently unable to find? would appreciate feedback on the topic. Thanks :)
>" I rly dont wanna cut the wire."
> Cutting the whole case thing.
I imagine what he would do, if he would be a car mechanic.
+ttyk cut the whole car
+ttyk disconnect a harness because cars were made to be discombobulated and re-combobulated unlike the table fan which was only meant to assembled.
It's so cool how you just take apart an old fan and use it for something else... completely customizing parts on it. Really good stuff man
Or just spend the extra 20$.
5:52 Miracle! ...E-clip shoots into the air. Found 1/2 second later. :-D
+woodsprout you must be new around here.. this guy pulls apart old inkjet printers for the metal rods, stepper motors and e clips so of course he has plenty to lose.. oh and he can see them easy due to the squeaky clean shop that this air filter allows!
+Waynos Waynos
No, just having fun (hence the :-D)
Agree with what you said, plus possibly a video editing "miracle".
Great idea, I just wonder if you could also create big cylindrical cartridge filters which are used on the commercial cyclones and usually are REALLY expensive.
seems like an exhausting amount of work to save 30 bucks
You were talking about how you needed a lot of sticks to fix it in place, but wouldn't just one at the top and one at the bottom of each triangle be enough?
+Scrial Makes it really hard to change the filter, and blocks a lot of the matierla where it wraps around the dowels.
+Matthias Wandel How about using two interlocking and movable frames of tensioned wire so as to block not as much material and make it easy to change?
You could have made the combs template with your rack-gear generator!
You sir...are just plain awesome! I love your videos and am in such envy and admiration of your shop and your tools! Love the creativity and the whole idea behind finding solutions and always looking for better, and different ways of doing things. Really wish I had the money/ time/ space to work as you do. Simply in awe as usual! Keep up the good work my friend!
Would something like that work as a in-home dust filter? I HATE DUST, and there's just SO MUCH of it!
+Pakislav yes
Very nice indeed. I would also benefit from having one. Should consider it when finding the right materials
hey, you wouldn't happen to have any plans or designs handy for your table saw's finger-joint jig, would you?
+Craig Fosburg woodgears.ca/box_joint/jig.html
Probably would have saved a lot of time just slapping a cheap air filter on the back of a box fan. I have no way to test the effectiveness compared to your solution but it has greatly reduced the dust for me.
Couldn't you have put dowels at the top and bottom and then "wove" the filter materials over and under the dowels? The tension between the top of one weave and the bottom the of subsequent weave would likely keep the materials taught. So long as you have the dowels on the correct side to prevent the materials from being blown out by air movement, it seems like it would have been an easier and more repeatable process for the filter material over time.
+Matthew Fochs That would make it really hard to change the filter, and blocks a lot of the matierla where it wraps around the dowels.
Good point about blocking the martial at the peaks and valleys.
The material looks pretty soft in the video so I assumed it would flow over and under the dowels with ease but I guess when taking out the dirty material out, it would be a different story.
None, the less, another great video!
$11 filter material
$?? Matthias green paint
$?? screws (probably found in trash
E-clip (also probably found in trash
$0 lumber (home made sawmill and trash)
$0 chicken wire (stolen from chickens)
Whole unit will probably be paid for by youtube in a day.
priceless!!
+Shane Betmarik And every time he changes the filter it will be $11 instead of $30, $35 or whatever.
Protect your fingers man, please.
Every time makes me crazy!
5:01
Is this plain cotton fabric?
it is awesome, but considering you have the space giving it more clearance between the blades and the filter/grill itself can make it a lot quieter, just a little tip if you care about the noise as i do.
man, there is some really cool design-thinking in here.
the only thing that might be missing is a solution for cleaning the filter easily
Other then that: very impressive!
+the TOMSTER remove it and replace it or wash it. It comes off the chicken wire quite easily.
Rick Moranis's handy younger brother. Well done
I work for 3M and get any filter for $1
+icawn "SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY!"
oooh send one to me pls
I made mine very different. I had a box fan, some big rubber bands that I used to secure a furnace filter against the side that I bought to fit the fan that I paid $7 for, like a MERV 12, if I recall. Whatever that means?
I know it is DIY lifestyle but you don't put much value on your work :)
+jonnenne What's wrong with trying something out? What about people who knit?
+Matthias Wandel IKR
Matthias Wandel No, don't get me wrong. I agree with you whole heartedly. I myself like to do stuff myself even though I know it will take more time and sometimes even cost more. Just a stupid remark by me.
Great work. Pls make something related to affordable acoustic walls or workspace . Or acoustics box around surrounding noisy tools . Considering not anoying nabours.
I mean, don't get me wrong. I love everything you. But there's a limit to one's time/effort vs money...
+pangtsr Funny how "don't get me wrong" always comes in front of something offensive. Now go talk to anybody who has a hobby and ask them how likes to experiment or has a hobby how much their time is worth.
+pangtsr maybe you don't understand how good it feel to build stuff
+pangtsr You're missing the whole point. You see, he has to do this only once. After that, all that he has to do is replace that filter material. So exactly, where is this time/effort equation of your going? Because it sure ain't going to the good comment section.
+pangtsr I felt the same way at first, but then I realized, his build is permanent. The only thing he does in the future is change the fabric so over time hes paying 11.00 per filter rather than 35.00. Hes not having to build this chicken wire every time, That was a 1 time build. From now on few minutes switch out the cloth your done. Question is how much dust and debris will shake up changing that filter and be inhaled also. All in all great project and gave me ideas for a different way but you got to respect his skills non the less.
+pangtsr Making youtube videos is his bread and butter. So, in fact, you've made him rich watching him save on that $35 filter. So yes, his time and effort has made him a lot of money.
Cha ching. Every time that filter is changed is money in your pocket. Using the filter fan to circulate heat? Awesomeness.
that's to much work.... to make it Easier, Just Buy the filter. For the amount of time wasted, you could already have the filter..... Remember this, "Time Is Money" thanks for the video, and your TIME...
yes, but what if you live somewhere where you can't just buy a furnace filter? Worth the experiment.
Richard Downer agreed for real
Realistically, if someone was watching this video, they'd be able to order a furnace filter online as easy as it would be to watch how to make one from scratch. If someone had to buy the chicken wire, wood, filter material and man power spent on 1 filter, it would be cheaper to buy one than making one from scratch.
yep I agree....
The same could be said for basically everything that comes out of a home shop. If you like to experiment and build things this is a reasonable and interesting project.
$11 for filter mesh.
$2000+ for the tools to make the filter.
I think I'll just buy a filter my man.
money is time and time is money. Just not worth the time to save $30.
Also, the quilt batting sold by the yard makes a good filter fabric....
For those of you fortunate enough to spend whatever you like on filters, good for you. No need to attempt to ridicule the poster - just makes you look silly. If you are ever on a plane that goes down on a desert island, you will want this guy with you!
That is so awesome that you decided to make something work because you didn't want to pay more for the actual filter
wow, seems like way too much time and energy involved vs. purchasing one, imo
Cool project! Regarding the issue with your sled sticking to the table top, I've found very very lightly dressing the table top with a 400-600 grit sand paper every couple years, and then applying some johnson paste wax to the surface keeps things sliding nice and smooth for quite a while. It's also little less messy than using oil.
How much is your time worth? At only ten bucks an hour, you've already spent more on your version.
Please wear a respirator mask when working with MDF, we want you around for a long long time!
You really saved some money on that $30 filter, huh? Lol!
Cool! .. but I see you need a workshop to make a workshop air cleaner. If I had a lovely big workshop filled with nice machines like yours I would probably just buy one. .. great video and I love your bespoke Enginuity.!
Fantastic job. So cheap to make and so useful. Looks pretty darn good too, Matthias. You just have to get a new color of paint, haha.
With the dowels and some gears / belts you could make a filter that you could roll up on the other side and feed in clean cloth on the other maybe with and old velulex blanket that's washable.
Awesome. My workshop is in the open air. My garden. But if I had a shop. Yup. I would deffinetly make this. Many thanks my friend.
Am I the only one dissapointed that he didnt build it on the router?!? *joke*
You are brilliant in coming up with solutions. Question... My 2 car garage has about 15 foot ceilings. Do you think something like this would work fine that high or do you think I'd need to lower it? Thanks.
Wow... make 40 bucks seem kinda cheap, eh ?
Wow...RESPECT ! That is real talent and creativity
Remington gun oil with Teflon is excellent for tablesaw tables, it is not oily when wiped down. and I also like, in a pinch , baby powder.
The Dylos Particle Counter is a great tool. I bought one several years ago (they are a bit expensive), but it's saved me more than the purchase price on air cleaner filters. Even when the filters look filthy, they still do a good job of getting the count down. My store bought air cleaner used a non standard size filter (hard to find except from them, no surprise), so I cut down a 20 x 20 filter to their 18 x 20 size, and it worked a treat. Anyway, that was a nice video - refreshing to see one of the younger guys using their heads instead of their wallets.
He has 995k subs this video has 995k views.. um
That's a lot of work for a filter you could just have bought. Impressive.
+sean weir I like your jig you made for you table saw.
Nice job!
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The idea with the sticks supporting the filter material could actually have been better than the chicken wire. If you put a stick on the inside of each peak and valley, then attacked each side, so the material could not move, then regardless of the airflow on the material, it wouldn't move.
+IMPUREPALADIN Makes it hard to change the filter, and blocks a lot of airflow where it wraps around
I really like this 2 in 1 idea and am thinking about building it. How do you feel this compares to a box fan with a similar filter material applied to the back?
+Joshua courtney It all depends on the box fan and the filter material.
Clothgears!
How about I spend the $35 and save myself the time of having to do all this stuff... time is money.
+Robert Herrera Yet you presumably spent over 10 minutes watching the video?
+ptonpc which saved him exactly zero! :)
Matthias,
I'm planning on getting some of the plans for your machines because they're basically wonderful and I need them. However, before I go and do that, I wonder if you'd have any direction on which would be best to go with first?
I'd specifically like to get the box joint jig and the pantorouter plans.
I'm asking because I noticed in one of the build videos for the pantorouter XL that it had some mortise and tenons. This had me wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to try at the slot mortiser before the pantorouter in particular.
If there would be any other advice that you would be willing to give on this front I would appreciate it quite a bit.
Thanks for your time!
+Joshua Koerner The box joint jig is a good starting point. Easier and less work than the pantorouter, and it's a jig I use quite often
+Matthias Wandel Great, thank you!
Matthias, I loved your particle count graph over time data. I was wondering what the graph would look like with no filters on whatsoever as a control. One might expect the particles would eventually fall out of the air onto the floor, and I'm wondering on what timescale this is, and whether it also has the form of an exponential decay.
+Daniel Walsh Well, I'm fairly sure it would since the settling of particles is based on the number of particles.
Also, he does have a couple extra graphs in the article linked in the description, although they're of how it reduces the particulate in ambient air, and his older version.
You might have put the filter on before folding it.
+EnergeticWaves That would be silly, cause when I change filters, the chicken wire is already folded.
And Here I just use a box fan with a filter duck taped over the back...
+Robert Rockey It's more fun to build your own. Plus it made a good video for him.
@Matthias Wandel Is that a jin hao fountain pen? looks like some form of safari knock off almost.
A lot of work but it look like it does a great job! Thanhks for sharing
Those mocassins though.
Use wax on the table ,not oil!
You did this the hard way. Get a washable filter from the company called Air-Care. They make lifetime air filters that can just be hosed off when dirty which in a single year you'll save $$$. You can get one that is literally the same dimensions as a common box fan. You can then tape and seal with some HVAC tape to the back of the high velocity box fan (they sell them at walmart) and it will do the same thing for a hell of a lot less trouble, although your box is cool it's not really worth the work.
Thumbs up mattias, nice filter!
I love how Matthias recycles old stuff to create these projects. He inspires me to take a second look at things sitting on the curbside.
seems like alot of work to save 20$ on the filter pad?
35$... take my money
Why didn't you put the filter cloth on the net before you folded it?
+ApBob - Because I didn't want to ruin it
That should certainly do a great job
could just tape a thinner filter to a box fan.
I've seen a few vids where people 3D print cool prosthetic hands for kids. How about making one in wood?
Great project but doesn't it cost more than $35 after all that work, folding, joint cutting, etc? I'd rather buy a filter and get on with some other projects that you CAN'T buy ready-made!
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Never really thought of a sewing machine as a tool, until now.
Now to cut some additional cost just take the filter out and put it in the washing machine, running on cold with a bit of bleach and powder should take care of it
considering that filter paper adds a bit of resistance I often reduce the size of the fan blades by %5-%10 by cutting them. that way fan's rpm would drop by much less.
also, to get better suction and less bleed put the fan in a duct, get it as close to the blade as possible and at least 2/3 of the width of the blade. in this case I would just use the reminder of that fibre board to make a loop and glue it around the hole, easy.
Those 50W fan motors are so easy to come by, I wish they had a bit more torque or rpm or both..., slightly larger versions of these are out there that are around 100W, those are much nicer for DIY projects