Wal Thornhill: The Long Path to Understanding Gravity | EU2015
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- In the theoretical sciences, it is commonly assumed that the role of gravity is settled-although acclaimed theoretical physicist Richard Feynman observed, “There is no model of the theory of gravitation today, other than the mathematical form."
The problem is that mathematics will not account for the essential force in question. And yet, when astrophysicists speculate about Big Bang Theory, one conjecture is followed by another all building on the supposed supremacy of gravity as the driving force of cosmic evolution.
Wal Thornhill, Chief Science Advisor of The Thunderbolts Project, shares his forty-year personal journey to better understand-and elucidate-the role of gravity in the EU Model of Cosmology. This noteworthy one-hour conference session was presented at EU2015: Paths of Discovery on June 26th in Phoenix.
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This is the giant whose shoulders future scientists will stand. Thanks for everything Mr Thornhill.
I agree. RIP Wal Thornhill.
a giant? a man who knew nothing, understood nothing, contributed nothing?
he was an ace grifter, though, I can see why MF would admire him...
Charming as ever. I found Wal to be a brilliant guy, generous with his time and clearly a believer in what he preached, whether it turns out he was right or wrong in the end (we both know he was right though). He also left behind a beautiful family who loved him. In the end, you two didn't agree about space. Big deal. Even if you can't be a decent scientist, couldn't you at least try to be a decent human?
Happy New Year. I appreciate you always trying to save us from thinking about stuff. Can't wait to see you in the next one.@@user-ph2ql2vg1d
@@user-ph2ql2vg1d you give people called 'User' a bad name, you should be disgusted with yourself
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I want you to know I've asked this question and others like it my whole life. And i didn't learn until a recent age 32, that people are vicious mentally when you ask them something they dont know and or could never learn to comprehend. I wish I had, have and will have a mentor like you. You are at the very least that person whom will lead to the fire of change. Thank you for this lecture, and I wish you the best.
You are so fortunate to be grasping these ideas at 32! I'm 61 years young and just now getting it . . .
@@joannego856 Thank you, and you leaving this comment has reminded me I needed to watch this again so thank you again. You know I find that people who stop trying to learn because they think they are at the top, usually are at a comfortable height and will tell others there is no more to go. Because of that I say to myself Happiness is maintained not obtained
I think you mistake ignorance (inability to answer) for a personal vested interest in an established career that might be destroyed if everything they believe is washed away. Arp found out exactly what that was like.
You are on the right track and jimb is also right. Newton's first contribution was shunned by the scientific community because denied a renowned scientist his work. Today we follow newton's work which was his definition of what light is. In simple, different frequency. You may have crystallized intelligence which grows with knowledge and experience. You are right too because there are some people who will never be able to rationalize complex concepts. Hence IQs
while listening to this I was playing with a plasma ball at my desk. I had a disk magnet and a horse shoe nail and placed them upright a top the ball to observe the reaction of the plasma which of course set up a stream from the center to the base of the magnet. To my surprise, when I brought my finger close to the tip of the upright nail (sharp point) it began to arc and burn myfinger slightly ! This as Wal was talking about streamers detected from Venus when in conjunction with the Earth. @ 49:24 It was like a Eureka synchronicity !
I really like this comment can you see my comment at the top of the threads??
@@phillipbrewster969 yes, ' science' and government always standing in the way of progress.
liar
You can induce electricity from one conductor (powered) into another conductor (unpowered) through an insulator. Like if you have a ton of of high voltage cables together, even if only one has "power" running through it the other ones still absorb power from the live wire and can kill you. Even through the insulation. But with AC power only. It's because AC power switches between current and voltage depending on the circumstances. Also you need an oscillating magnetic field to induce electricity. It cannot be static.
The nail you touched wasn't absorbing voltage but absorbing the fluctuating magnetic field from a fluctuating current that converted back to voltage once it was back inside a conductor.
" An oscillating magnetic field (current) will produce an oscillating electric field (voltage).
What Thornhill is talking about is equalizing potential between two bodies. Like static buildup from socks on a carpet. You build up a charge, so say your environment is +1 charged for simplicity. When you build up the static and now you're +3. When that +3 field meets the +1 they want to be equal. So you will discharge +1 to the doorknob let's say, and both have +2. Equal potential.
So when two bodies in space meet (theoretically) the one with the greater charge can discharge towards the one that has less. This is a very sound theory and is 100% factual when it comes to charges. They want to equal out, ALWAYS. Say a rogue planet drifts into our solar system and passes near enough to something of a different charge, it could definitely arc across. If all the conditions are met. The vacuum of space isn't a very good conductor lol. So they would have to be very large charges. But we know interstellar space has a much higher potential than inside the heliosphere. So anything out there would come in and discharge towards whatever is here. All in theory. But that's the difference between what you experienced and what he's talking about. It's kinda of the same because your still receiving a shock for being at a different potential. But it's not the phenomenon he's talking about.
@@elisampley7598 Wal is wrong about too many things for me to assume that any of the rest of what he says is right. An electromagnetic or magnetic field crossing a reflector creating current is nothing new, l agree. I know what gravity is, but charges are harder to understand. And it doesn't help when you and Wal use phrases like," they want to equal out". This just skips over what is really happening. If you really want to understand what you are talking about read Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses by Charles Proteus Steinmetz. How can you talk about charges without mentioning dielectricity ?
Finally, something that makes sense.
Extraordinary... personally I think that in "school" we are taught how to be dumb....
Yes! If you look into a fellow named John Taylor Gatto, he wrote several books about this. I believe he passed away some time ago. He was named the New York City school teacher of the year several times and really did not embrace the regular school method so to speak. Very interesting fellow one of the books is called dumbing us down.
Of course. It's called a Prussian Factory School model. Now it's run by marxists.
David Shelton The facts tell the tale? Lol. Any time anyone says that you know they’re unaware of logic and reasoning skills. You might have memorized math concepts well but “facts” don’t tell tales, our interpretation of facts do. If you think facts tell tales that means you’re just employing intuition, which is as good as a guess. We know our physics is wrong, that’s as apparent as anything in life, you can call it “inaccurate” if you want but if something is inaccurate especially in math it’s wrong in the real world, so why are you so hostile towards people exploring alternative areas?
tenurb78 Philosophy logical fallacy and classical science will free you of some of the subservient brainwashing schools employ. The negative is you realize just how much we don’t know, the positive is you won’t go around parroting math equations being positive you’re right about nonsense.
@@davidshelton1898 you're absolutely right. I am pretty perturbed by the army of morons this sort of thing breeds
"We shall not cease from exploration. And the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time" - T.S Elliot
These would be the definition of a scientific mind. I think Mr. Thornhill and his colleagues are the embodiment of the new paradigm.
The thing I like best about the thunderbolt/electric universe paradigm is it makes sense! For those of you that don`t know it yet, you are getting a basically free education about our earth, our solar system, and about our universe, and even more importantly man`s own history. Keep up the good work gentlemen, I want thank each and every one who is helping with this project, and there are many! I want to share a bit of what happened this summer as I was just walking around Eugene Or, 5 people came up to me and said, your a thunderbolts man, as they recognized the plasma discharge on the t-shirt designed by David Harrison. On Wal Thornhill, in my opinion he is one of the best speakers extent, his gentle yet sure manner is a delight!
I would like to say; the Thunderbolt project has completely changed my perception and understanding of the universe and how it works. I am looking forward to all future videos! I cannot get enough!
I'm currently learning everything I learned in school again from a completely different perspective. My mind is blown daily and all this information available feels like the biggest mountain I ever had to climb. Thank you for this upload.
SAME! It's freakin' awesome! As it turnsout, everything was wrong or lies. Everything, even down to gravity. (Punny!)
BUT, there's a lesson to take forward into the next 12k Solar cycle: be very careful of incentives and ethical consistency. The foundation of our society is a contradiction at its core: gov't must violate the things that we want it to protect. It must steal but it must protect property. It must kill but protect life, etc. This contradiction is carried forward to everything. The more it perpetuates society's problems, the more money we give it to solve the problems. This has spiraled into a backward world based on lies and misdirection. A few of us get a firehose drink of truth before the Sun goes micronova, so we can carry these lessons forward to build the next society without the flaws of the old one.
_everything I learned in school again from a completely different perspective._ Idiot
Because everything we learned in school, we have been taught for a reason, and it was not in our interest.
"I have the greatest respect for that man [Halton Arp], he was prepared to go wherever the observational requirements led him - the sign of a real scientist." Wallace Thornhill, The long path to understanding gravity. EU 215
My discomfort always revolved around red shift as a proxy for distance. If one were to statistically evaluate the probability of all those celestial objects that are in recession vs those approaching, red shift, and by extension, expansion of space would have been abandoned long ago as an impossibility. A random motion universe with no center cannot behave in that manner.
@@jimb4090 If you consider space had a uniform mass distribution, it would all cancel out except for the star that created the photon, so that star has the most (only) gravitation influence on that particle, FOREVER. therefore, some of the observed Red Shift is the result of its home stars' gravitation field, and the red shift is solely caused by gravity of that star and not an expanding universe. Also, Halton Arp was the greatest scientist on modern times.
I love this man. He literally changed my life
This guy is bringing sanity back into physics, which has gone hocus locus decades ago.
He's just claiming things are nonsense and providing no reasoning
The choice 100 years ago was simple. Support the industrial revolution and maximize investment returns or be destroyed financially. Today it’s not much different. Support the work of funded institutions that validate the value of your credentials, which pass for qualifications to charge for services preformed. Or go disgraced and broke to the land of the lowest classes. The price mankind pays by proceeding ignorantly destroying the environment and NOT preparing for future destruction is a cost easily ignored by those making mortgage payments.
@@mundymorningreport3137 Energy has/involves GRAVITY, AND ENERGY has/involves inertia/INERTIAL RESISTANCE. TIME is NECESSARILY possible/potential AND actual IN BALANCE, AS E=MC2 is F=ma; AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/ENERGY IS GRAVITY. TIME DILATION ULTIMATELY proves ON BALANCE that ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy is gravity, AS E=MC2 IS F=ma. Gravity IS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy. ("Mass"/ENERGY IS GRAVITY. ELECTROMAGNETISM/ENERGY IS GRAVITY.) GRAVITATIONAL force/ENERGY IS proportional to (or BALANCED with/as) inertia/INERTIAL RESISTANCE, AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy is gravity; AS E=MC2 IS F=ma. Gravity/acceleration involves BALANCED inertia/INERTIAL RESISTANCE, AS E=MC2 IS F=ma; AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy is gravity. (Gravity IS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy. E=MC2 IS F=ma.) "Mass"/ENERGY involves BALANCED inertia/INERTIAL RESISTANCE consistent with/AS what is BALANCED electromagnetic/gravitational force/ENERGY, AS E=MC2 IS F=ma; AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/ENERGY IS GRAVITY. Gravity IS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy. It ALL CLEARLY makes perfect sense, AS BALANCE AND completeness go hand in hand !!! (Very importantly, outer "space" involves full inertia; AND it is fully invisible AND black.) E=MC2 is CLEARLY F=ma. The stars AND PLANETS are POINTS in the night sky. A PHOTON may be placed at the center of what is THE SUN (as A POINT, of course), AS the reduction of SPACE is offset by (or BALANCED with) the speed of light (c); AS E=MC2 IS F=ma; AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/ENERGY IS GRAVITY. E=MC2 IS F=ma. This NECESSARILY represents, INVOLVES, AND DESCRIBES what is possible/potential AND actual IN BALANCE. Gravity IS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy. The Earth is ALSO CLEARLY then E=MC2 AS F=ma ON BALANCE !!! GREAT !!!
By Frank DiMeglio
Brian Greene 💰 is political. He is maximum money making agenda "physics". He is lying about gravity. He is lying about the KNOWN WEASEL EINSTEIN.
But we have the perfect made up math equation gibberish to explain it, how dare you sir hrumph
I am so pleased you selected this particular presentation from EU2015 to be one of those you upload to UA-cam! I have been anxiously awaiting an opportunity to see it again, as I have already begun teaching others some of the material it contains .. Thank you Thunderbolts Project and Wallace Thornhill !
Brilliant
thank god for you. teach all you can to anyone who will listen.
filthywishdragon oh, thank you ! I put together a series of classes for our local city continuing education program .. waiting on approval now for fall semester .. wish me luck :)
***** This new series in my local community would be the first time, but I have given single sessions on electrogravity a few times now.
***** Thanks iFramed .. Best part of it is that it forces me to even better understand it myself, in order to be able to teach it !
God's speed Wal. Thank you for all you showed us. Life changing to me!
"Electric currents in plasma naturally form repeated rotating patterns of matter - from galaxies to stars and rotating weather systems on Earth. Science needs to be simple...The Electric Universe suggests a repeated pattern of electric forces organizing matter at vastly different scales." ['Pattern Recognition; A new model of Intelligence, and Bonding', on Kindle since 2017, by Mark Martens, Accidental Scientist]
I absolutely love this. This also explains why the earth is a spherical shape.
Im so glad that i fount EU 4 years ago, it is getting better and better, so exiting. Thanks you all for your hard and great work.
“Good Physics needs to be simple” thank you Wal !
I know. I hate it when ‘scientists’ speak in gobbligook and made up terms.
@@davidshelton1898 the universe is simple but not simplex! It takes a lot of simple to make something complex!
@@davidshelton1898 Energy has/involves GRAVITY, AND ENERGY has/involves inertia/INERTIAL RESISTANCE. TIME is NECESSARILY possible/potential AND actual IN BALANCE, AS E=MC2 is F=ma; AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/ENERGY IS GRAVITY. TIME DILATION ULTIMATELY proves ON BALANCE that ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy is gravity, AS E=MC2 IS F=ma. Gravity IS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy. ("Mass"/ENERGY IS GRAVITY. ELECTROMAGNETISM/ENERGY IS GRAVITY.) GRAVITATIONAL force/ENERGY IS proportional to (or BALANCED with/as) inertia/INERTIAL RESISTANCE, AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy is gravity; AS E=MC2 IS F=ma. Gravity/acceleration involves BALANCED inertia/INERTIAL RESISTANCE, AS E=MC2 IS F=ma; AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy is gravity. (Gravity IS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy. E=MC2 IS F=ma.) "Mass"/ENERGY involves BALANCED inertia/INERTIAL RESISTANCE consistent with/AS what is BALANCED electromagnetic/gravitational force/ENERGY, AS E=MC2 IS F=ma; AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/ENERGY IS GRAVITY. Gravity IS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy. It ALL CLEARLY makes perfect sense, AS BALANCE AND completeness go hand in hand !!! (Very importantly, outer "space" involves full inertia; AND it is fully invisible AND black.) E=MC2 is CLEARLY F=ma. The stars AND PLANETS are POINTS in the night sky. A PHOTON may be placed at the center of what is THE SUN (as A POINT, of course), AS the reduction of SPACE is offset by (or BALANCED with) the speed of light (c); AS E=MC2 IS F=ma; AS ELECTROMAGNETISM/ENERGY IS GRAVITY. E=MC2 IS F=ma. This NECESSARILY represents, INVOLVES, AND DESCRIBES what is possible/potential AND actual IN BALANCE. Gravity IS ELECTROMAGNETISM/energy. The Earth is ALSO CLEARLY then E=MC2 AS F=ma ON BALANCE !!! GREAT !!!
By Frank DiMeglio
@@davidshelton1898 why do you personify the universe? Who says it is under obligation?
finally someone who can make sense of our universe by experiment and observation, when we get off this fifth avenue version of the cosmos we will finally be able to get off fossil fuels.
If it wasn't for the free market restoring carbon to the carbon cycle, plants, the base of the food chain, would probably have suffocated by now. CO2 was dangerously low. Like everything else politicized, the truth is the opposite of the propaganda. (Imagine if we weren't using fossil fuels and we discover that plants are dying and need the trapped carbon restored as CO2, and *we have to rely on gov't to extract and burn it off.* We'd be screwed. Lol.)
Wal Thornhill has risen to become my absolute favorite scientist on the planet. Love ALL of you at the Thunderbolts Project. Changing the Universe.........
He`s one of my favorite as well.
This is about the tenth time I've watched this presentation. When you come across real quality it really underlines about much institutional and MSM BS there is...
*Wal Thornhill is one of the Very Best in the REAL Scientific Community !*
Can we resurrect him? Comeback Wal!😭 Top bloke
this is fighting central banking 101,,, good luck.
I disagree respectfully. I feel like that sometimes, but then I remember that my time scale is nothing compared to that of history. Lets realize we used to have a very different financial architectures, as well as a very different cosmology and all sort of big and important things change dramatically multiple times over time scales that can make us perceive them as inmutable, but they aren’t. May be we are not going to see the next scientific revolution but certainly we are participating the the current industrial revolution and perhaps (I wish) we get to see the end of some old political theories and the rise of new ones
I reckon he missed the subtle hint
@@WorksopGimp since there is electricity in space, we do not have to take or make unlimited fuel to travel
@@WorksopGimp J P Morgan?.
Gravity killed the dinosaurs ..sung to the tune of "Video killed the radio stars "
After listening to the thunderbolts project videos for 3 months I've finally attained a real understanding and it feels great. I would like to share what I've learned but most people are happy in their ignorance. Bravo!
Please, let me be first to be enlightened. I've always wanted to know, if I drop a pencil from a height of 1 meter, how long will it take to fall to the ground? If you know the answer please let me know too!
Why don't you time it dumbass
The "Path to Understand Gravity" starts at 37:57.
A breath of fresh air! I've read World's In Collision and found it to quite nicely explain how Earth could have had a single continent with 100 ton animals walking around on it. Earth was in tidal lock with a larger planet.
Those in the Electric Universe community are changing the world through a return to using a proper scientific method and good old common sense and so getting away from contorted mathematical guesswork. The Safire Project's video is also one to look out for in the hopeful not to distant future ¦:¬)
That's exactly what I love, reasoned argument. Thank for so eloquently proving my point, bye.
Would you mind sharing a link please?
Yes of course Kezz. The main site is Thunderbolts (dot) info or there are various FB groups like 'Electric Cosmology' or 'thunderbolts.project' who are all independents but all part of the community which is rather quite large now.
+Phil Francis Thanks very much Phil I'll definitely check out those spots. I was actually wondering specifically about the Safire Project you mentioned though? You said it's on the way and I was wondering where to watch for it. Is it a presentation from the conference that will show up on this channel, or should I look for it somewhere else?
+Phil Francis P.S. Just joined that FB group and I see you're the admin. I look forward to participating!
Been dying to see vids of the EU2015 conference. Thanks for the release, thank you EU community, and thank you Wal and David.
Indeed Dave Talbott and Wal Thornhill are two men who are truly stargazers and who will be thanked by students/teachers now and in the future.
Is this one of those things where people feel special that they think they know something that others don’t? Kind of like the flat earth community?
A much needed breath of fresh air in this polluted "Hegelian Diatribe of an Education system"!
🙏✨👁♥️👁awesome .. never got mathematics physics .. Wal Thornhill & Electric Universe boosts comprehension ..loved his Extro “Welcome to the real adventure” Wow 💫
Real physics! Yes🥰
Beautiful. Finally - we have a path forward. Speaking of dinosaurs....I hope the ones who presently rule our academic institutions go the way of the sauropod, and soon.
What…evolve? This isn’t Pokémon 😂
This is History in the making. Without definitive truth in all sciences we will not move forward
That'd sad
+steve nunua Is the statement that a definite truth does not exists a statement of definite truth ?
If you say it's not, then why should I believe your statement in the first place ? If it's not definite truth that there is no definite truth then I find no reason to believe that it is true, so the statement that a definite truth does not exist defeats itself and should be discarded as unreasonable.
Hmm
steve nunua That sounds like non sense to not believe in anything ever, which thankfully has no bearing on reality for it has definite truth that you can believe in otherwise we wouldn't have cars, airplanes and all the modern comforts you can buy because this stuff didn't exist before someone made it and that someone had to believe it was possible to create it.
The Wright brothers believed they could fly and man if they'd listen to you then we would not have airplanes today.
The definite truth is out there and we use it plenty.
+Sig Ra, True enough although if Henry Ford would have run his gas engine in a closed shop without any ventilation he would not have been around long enough to start the Ford motor company. Yes there has been and is much technology going on although much of it is dependent on making money/profits with little or no concern about the consequences, for the sake of our children`s future we need to do better.
At about time 38:15 he mentions "atomic electrostatic dipoles" he claims that the nucleus of atoms is pulled downward (towards Earth's center) and says "so the lower pole of atoms facing Earth's center is more positive than the upper pole' and the upper pole -- in the direction of Earth's surface -- is more negative, because 'electrons spend more time' up above. In other words, all atoms are pulled downward towards the center of the Earth and that distorts all atoms into "electrostatic dipoles" with positive charge on each atom facing downward, and negative charge facing up.
Then at 39:45 he says "it is the sum of all the aligned subatomic dipoles that causes gravity".
NO. He clearly called these distorted atoms 'electrostatic dipoles'.
Stacking them would still create a static electric field, not gravity.
Strange thing is, he claims to know that "gravity cannot be shielded by anything". EXAMPLES
1) a Faraday Cage can be used to shield a piece of sensitive equipment from electromagnetic effects in the environment -- but a Faraday cage *does not* shield gravity
2) Mu-metal shields things from magnetic fields in the environment. Mu-metal does not shield gravity.
Gravity is *not* a static electric field effect. If it were, strong magnets could lift cats, gerbils, guinea pigs, etc. off the ground when placed in close proximity. Since electromagnetism is much much stronger than gravity, I don't see how the speaker can reconcile "gravity is caused by stacked electrostatic dipoles in the ground, but gravity is far weaker than the electromagnetic force." He said both things in his presentation.
How can 'electrostatic gravity" be far weaker than the electromagnetic force.
The first time you catch yourself saying "gravity is a weak form of the electromagnetic force" stop and think. If that were true, anything that can shield the electromagnetic force (like a Faraday cage) would be FAR MORE EFFECTIVE against gravity.
I'm sure he's a nice guy but he needs an editor.
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Interesting point.
@@channeldoesnotexist your statement has zero substance. I am not against you but could you elaborate with corroborating information?
@@channeldoesnotexist Sometimes I don't know why I even try.
Greg Chase made an interesting rebuttal to the hypothesis of the electric universe. I can respect his points and I am interested in a response from a proponent of the electric universe hypothesis.
You called Wallace "fraud, quack, charlatan, failure and spreading lies" based on NO EVIDENCE. I asked you repectfully, in no way meaning to tear you a new one, to provide some reading material in which I can explore your allegations (I don't know anything about Wallace and you seem to hold him in contempt, which suggests you have more information than I do). Your response once again lacks any credibility and evidence to substantiate your claims.
However, in saying that, a person's character is mutually exclusive to his scientific veracity. We would all like our scientists to be "good guys" but I am certain there are good scientists that are less than saints.
I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. Peace.
@Deep Set EU has no proof of crater formation. Also, Higgs boson has been confirmed in the LHC. In terms of how science work - experimental evidence forms a model, model is then interpreted and described mathematically, this math predicts certain events that are then tested experimentally to confirm or disprove the original model. Spacetime curvature, speed of light, gravitational constants, particles such as the Higgs boson, have all been predicted by the current model of GR and confirmed experimentally. EU has only words and pretty shiny electrostatic discharge globes. Child's play for children of the mind.
Dude the earth is flat like a cat
We are still searching and only just finding you guys. Thank you and please don't stop. We will catch up eventually
LOL. As a kid, a long time ago, my mother always said,"There's no such thing as gravity, the Earth sucks!". Makes absolute sense.
Thank you for sharing
Love will win, fear will not - Love fear 💖 than it will never win 🙏
I started to feel like modern cosmology was getting outside of my understanding. As new discoveries forced constant ridiculous changes to the current models (dark energy, strange-matter-pulsars, accelerating universe, Higgs, gravity waves, ice-less comets, etc..), my skepticism grew.The Electric Universe way of looking at everything with the idea of repeated patterns of simplicity is profoundly elegant and there is an underlying instinct, that something is really right here.
Like all EU fanatics, you never bothered to understand proved physics, because mastering proved physics is incredibly difficult, requires years of labor and practice, doing thousands of homework exercises. So, instead of acting logically, you PRE-CHOOSE the EU bullshit, then cherrypick only that data that you think fits with EU. You EU extremists absolutely NEVER do ANY self-criticism of your ideas, NEVER try to prove your EU model wrong. That is what REAL scientists & mathematicians do.
@@theultimatereductionist7592 please write at least once, what particular acronym means. EU for me is Euro.Union. I can fit meanings 'expanding universe' but I can be sure.. ;-)
RE-cognize
That's what they want,to make things so complicated that morons like us have to turn to them. They can't get any predictions right and they make shit up on the fly to suit their needs. Even a moron should know that that is not science. To admit that they're wrong or even could be, is beyond their great intellect. And they wouldn't be the experts slash, no it all, geniuses that we need and rely on. They would lose power. Their books wouldn't sell. If they don't like the data they ignore it. That's easy. I can ignore them. I learned from the best.
@@theultimatereductionist7592 and neither do they. How does a star make heavier and heavier elements at it's core. It would choke out. Heavier elements don't sit on top of lighter ones and wait their turn to be converted. And a zillion other nonsensical solutions to the models which never work. They can't even find convection on the sun with every detector we can provide including MRI oh we just need to spend more money. And... You buy it. Because you were told by someone who couldn't careless or is just like you. Mistaught. And you can't break the chain. I'm not impressed.
I've mentioned this before, but guys and gals, do not feed trolls. They are not here to learn or come for discussion. The do not bother to watch the introductory Documentaries; nor do they probably listen to the whole presentation. They come to troll and argue.
The rule is: ignore and move on.
I agree with Mhi kl the trolls are not here to join the conversation but to block others from enjoying it. But think of it like this, the thunderbolts stuff is being translated into several languages by demand which several peoples are already moving ahead and their children will be ahead of ours in the coming years in science, math, astronomy, and energy research among other disciplines. By the time the trolls get it figured out that these folks are right their kids will be sharing with them this same material from the 3rd and 4th grades.
Wal Thornhill is a true genius. RIP, great sir.
When he says the largest dinosaurs weighed about 180 tones. No one who studies dinosaurs thinks they weighed anything like that. Its hard to be sure because they weren't mammals and didn't have the same bone density that mammals do but currently we think the largest dinosaur was the Dreadnoughtus schrania or the Argentinosaurus huiculensis and we think the second one weighed around 80-100 tones at most.
holoscience
This is absolutely brilliant, as is everything that Wal has ever shared with us. His presentation is chock full of important ideas and thought provoking insights, and I can only admire his take on the conceptual / qualitative understanding of gravity (particularly when physicists seems to be fine with just an empty quantitative description and no conceptual understanding whatsoever). This said, in my very humble opinion, in order to fully understand the causal mechanism of gravity in terms of matter-in-motion, it is absolutely essential to re-incorporate the (prematurely abandoned) physically existent pressurized wave conducting medium (i.e. the aether) to Physical Theory, and particularly to our mechanisms of "basic" physical phenomena (such as gravity, electromagnetism, inertia, etc).
The "particle-bias" is part of our heritage from those ignorant but far from unintelligent Greeks (i.e. Democritus and his a-toms-in-the-void). We choose to "see" simple particles instead of complex resonant layered pressurized fluid-dynamical wave structures: "organized aether units". We choose to "observe" a particle impacting a "photon" detector, instead of understanding the "all-or-nothing" observation as a result of the incoming pressurized wave patterns exactly matching the resonant structure of the atoms (organized aether units) that form such detector (and thus figuring out the wave-particle duality / paradox = error in logic).
The EU Paradigm is absolutely compatible with the Aether Paradigm: the aether is the physically existent pressurized variable density continuum field / substance / substrate that causally conducts the waves systems we observe absolutely everywhere ("a wave avoids a void because a void cannot wave") and out of which all "ponderable" matter is made (as the M&M and several similar experiments have demonstrated).
The ubiquitous aetheric density gradients are nothing more and nothing less than the electric "force". Variable aetheric density and its pressure differentials / gradients are enough to account for all the 4 "fundamental" forces, including gravity. No other "forces" are necessary and the Universe is indeed electric, the truly Unified Field.
And of course, this way we replace "action at a distance" with physical and local mechanisms in terms of true matter-in-motion, as Newton always wanted but never achieved. He knew that gravity cannot be an action at a distance. In his words: "That one body may act upon another at a distance thro' a Vacuum, without the Mediation of any thing else, by and through which their Action and Force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an Absurdity that I believe no Man who has in philosophical Matters a competent Faculty of thinking can ever fall into it."
While Wal stresses the fact that the EU model absolutely requires the aether, in my very humble opinion the EU worldview has yet to fully integrate the far reaching consequences of such a physically existent medium. I've been working with this integration for a long while, and I hope someday to be able to add my small grain of sand.
Anyway, this is just my two cents. Thanks for everything and please keep up with the groundbreaking and historic work!!
It's "brilliant" to an imbecile. Furthermore, the "work" is neither "groundbreaking" or "historic".
@@Consrignrant and, or, neither, nor. Makes sense from someone calling names.
@@michaelwaxter3372.......... Ah yes, the "calling names" reply. Aren't you clever.
@@Consrignrant yeah. Just pointing out it has more weight when you use correct grammer.
I had been wondering about gravity for some time. I just knew that it had to be a magnetic polarity issue at the atomic levels. I never imagined the Earth as having a negative surface and positive subsurface, though. This riddle has been dancing around me for about the last year and a half. So glad I discovered this channel. I am so glad to be able to no longer despise the projection of science as it had been appearing through time, a study I have always loved and, fortunately for my overall growth, I had to reevaluate after recently being disappointed in my life by many famous scientists of the mainstream scienctific community.
Huh. This would mean that the developer of the Mass Effect universe was on the right track. I mean of course that changing the electric charge can change mass. It obviously not the same thing but some comparison do exist.
It's a degree of nonsense......nowhere have I found their own "simple" math model that arrives at g (or an "electric force" equivalent to g)=9.8m/s^2 oft used in simple Newtonian mechanics that they oh so worship to be the original functional model that had hints at "accounting for electric forces".
Math is a tool and there can be math that doesn't check out, but that doesn't mean to just dance around with a lot of words and come up with no proper measurements and formulations at all.
Dear Mr. Thornhill,
Thank you.
For your kind consideration.
Wal possibly made a mistake at 38:55 min. If we replace the nucleus with the electron and its sub-electron particles, might that not account for the incredibly weak nature of gravity?
If we keep things simple, (Not introduce an exotic charge), then these sub-electron particles (Let us call them Wals) must be positive.
So if we take Townsend Brown's empirical observations of the acceleration towards the smaller plate of a capacitor (a distortion of the gravity effect), what effect will a reversal of polarity have?
And then there is Podkletnov's experiment we must consider; where he produced gravity waves that were (at least) 60 times faster than light. These were produced by changing the voltage on a capacitor very fast. (dV/dT).
I keep failing to understand his explanation of gravity; it sounds self-referential to me.
The dipoles induced by gravity are the cause of gravity - that's what I'm getting.
If the deformation of the electron orbits and the nucleus are the gravity, what's causing the deformation?
Can someone explain what I'm missing here?
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Your post was 3 years ago as of this post, but I'll post this anyway for possibly you and/or some other reader to see. It's my own Theory Of Everything idea along with a test for what I believe 'gravity' truly is. The gravity test needs to be done to prove or disprove that portion of the TOE idea and the gravity test will speak for itself. It will either be true, or at least partly true, or it will be wrong. Either way, science moves forward.
(Copy and pastes from my files):
Revised TOE: 3/25/2017a.
My Current TOE:
THE SETUP:
1. Modern science currently recognizes four forces of nature: The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electromagnetism.
2. In school we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a large horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel. (I have proved this to myself with magnets and anybody with a large horseshoe magnet and two smaller bar magnets can easily prove this to yourself too. It occurs at the outer end of the inner arc of the horseshoe magnet.).
3. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them.
4. Protons and electrons are charged particles and have their associated magnetic fields with them.
5. Photons also have both an electric and a magnetic component to them.
FOUR FORCES OF NATURE DOWN INTO TWO:
6. When an electron is in close proximity to the nucleus, it would basically generate a 360 degree spherical magnetic field.
7. Like charged protons would stick together inside of this magnetic field, while simultaneously repelling opposite charged electrons inside this magnetic field, while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field.
8. There are probably no such thing as "gluons" in actual reality.
9. The strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force are probably derivatives of the electro-magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons.
10. The nucleus is probably an electro-magnetic field boundary.
11. Quarks also supposedly have a charge to them and then would also most likely have electro-magnetic fields associated with them, possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different type of quarks.
12. The interactions between the quarks EM forces are how and why protons and neutrons formulate as well as how and why protons and neutrons stay inside of the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do.
THE GEM FORCE INTERACTIONS AND QUANTA:
13. Personally, I currently believe that the directional force in photons is "gravity". It's the force that makes the sine wave of EM energy go from a wide (maximum extension) to a point (minimum extension) of a moving photon and acts 90 degrees to the EM forces which act 90 degrees to each other. When the EM gets to maximum extension, "gravity" flips and EM goes to minimum, then "gravity" flips and goes back to maximum, etc, etc. A stationary photon would pulse from it's maximum extension to a point possibly even too small to detect, then back to maximum, etc, etc.
14. I also believe that a pulsating, swirling singularity (which is basically a pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon) is the energy unit in this universe.
15. When these pulsating, swirling energy units interact with other energy units, they tangle together and can interlock at times. Various shapes (strings, spheres, whatever) might be formed, which then create sub-atomic material, atoms, molecules, and everything in existence in this universe.
16. When the energy units unite and interlock together they would tend to stabilize and vibrate.
17. I believe there is probably a Photonic Theory Of The Atomic Structure.
18. Everything is basically "light" (photons) in a universe entirely filled with "light" (photons).
THE MAGNETIC FORCE SPECIFICALLY:
19. When the electron with it's associated magnetic field goes around the proton with it's associated magnetic field, internal and external energy oscillations are set up.
20. When more than one atom is involved, and these energy frequencies align, they add together, specifically the magnetic field frequency.
21. I currently believe that this is where a line of flux originates from, aligned magnetic field frequencies.
NOTES:
22. The Earth can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic field, electrical surface field, and gravity, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other.
23. The flat spiral galaxy can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields on each side of the plane of matter, the electrical field along the plane of matter, and gravity being directed towards the galactic center's black hole where the gravitational forces would meet, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other.
24. As below in the singularity, as above in the galaxy and probably universe as well.
25. I believe there are only two forces of nature, Gravity and EM, (GEM). Due to the stability of the GEM with the energy unit, this is also why the forces of nature haven't evolved by now. Of which with the current theory of understanding, how come the forces of nature haven't evolved by now since the original conditions acting upon the singularity aren't acting upon them like they originally were, billions of years have supposedly elapsed, in a universe that continues to expand and cool, with energy that could not be created nor destroyed would be getting less and less dense? My theory would seem to make more sense if in fact it is really true. I really wonder if it is in fact really true.
26. And the universe would be expanding due to these pulsating and interacting energy units and would also allow galaxies to collide, of which, how could galaxies ever collide if they are all speeding away from each other like is currently taught?
DISCLAIMER:
27. As I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know, the above certainly could be wrong. It would have to be proved or disproved to know for more certainty.
* And a side note, 7/1/2019, (update to item #26 above in the TOE):
The universe itself is probably not expanding, in other words 'space' is not expanding.
The net effect of solar winds, particles and energy pushing outward from galaxies, and other galaxies doing the same, continuously, over a prolonged period of time, would tend to push galaxies away from each other if nothing stopped them from doing so. It would give the illusion of 'space' expanding, but 'space' would not really be expanding.
Then, as galaxies moved about, the net effect between the galaxies could change the interactions and possibly allow galaxies to collide at times.
Also, the interactions between galaxies might cause some of the particles in some galaxies to start to rotate about that galactic's center, and along with gravity acting upon those particles from that galactic gravitational center, would cause the galaxy to become spiral shaped and shrink in size.
Those on a planet in a solar system in a spiral shaped galaxy would perceive the rest of the universe expanding, also an illusion though. And combined with galaxies pushing away from each other, would give the illusion of space expanding faster and faster, but it would not really be.
And also:
1. What exactly is 'space' that it can expand?
2. Where did the extra energy come from to cause space to expand? (Science claims energy cannot be created nor destroyed, one of the foundations of physics).
3. How exactly would 'light' ('em') look from far away galaxies if 'space' itself were expanding?
4. If gravity waves truly existed and were moving through the universe that had space itself expanding, how also would the 'em' look from far away galaxies?
5. And while we are on it, what exactly is 'gravity' that LIGO detected it? And wouldn't the detectors be affected by that gravity wave going through space at the same time the laser's 'em' were effected? Of which also, takes us back up top. Do my gravity test to try to discern what 'gravity' might truly be.
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Here is the test for the 'gravity' portion of my TOE idea. I do not have the necessary resources to do the test but maybe you or someone else reading this does, will do the test, then tell the world what is found out either way.
a. Imagine a 12 hour clock.
b. Put a magnetic field across from the 3 to 9 o'clock positions.
c. Put an electric field across from the 6 to 12 o'clock positions.
(The magnetic field and electric field would be 90 degrees to each other and should be polarized so as to complement each other.)
d. Shoot a high powered laser through the center of the clock at 90 degrees to the em fields.
e. Do this with the em fields on and off.
(The em fields could be varied in size, strength, density and depth. The intent would be to energy frequency match the laser and em fields for optimal results.)
f. Look for any gravitational / anti-gravitational effects.
(Including the utilization of ferro cells so as to be able to actually see the energy field movements.)
(An alternative to the above would be to shoot 3 high powered lasers, or a single high powered laser split into 3 beams, each adjustable to achieve the above set up, all focused upon a single point in space.)
'If' effects are noted, 'then' further research could be done.
'If' effects are not noted, 'then' my latest TOE idea is wrong. But still, we would know what 'gravity' was not, which is still something in the scientific world. Science still wins either way and moves forward.
Note also: "IF" numbers themselves don't exist by this or by some similar means, then ask people how numbers themselves actually exist for math to do what math supposedly does in this universe: (Copy and paste from my files):
'IF' my latest TOE idea is really true, (and I fully acknowledge the 'if' at this time), that the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in existence in this universe, and what is called 'gravity' is a part of what is currently recognized as the 'em' photon, then the oscillation of these 3 interacting modalities of the energy unit would be as follows:
Gravity: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction;
Electrical: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction;
Magnetic: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction.
Then:
1 singular energy unit, with 3 different modalities, with 6 maximum most reactive positions, with 9 total basic reactive positions (neutrals included). Hence 1, 3, 6, 9 being very prominent numbers in this universe and why mathematics even works in this universe.
(And possibly '0', zero, for no flow of energy, hence the number system that we currently have).
@@davidwaynechoate8059 "IF" my gravity test gets done and shows what I currently believe it will show, then 'light' makes up 'solid matter' too.
@@charlesbrightman4237 I am unable to copy and paste this on my phone, and wonder if you could forward a copy. I have been unable to have a conversation on this granular level with anyone for the past 35 years, and I believe we are both focused on primary causation at the most essential level.
I will look forward to being able to make a hard copy for more extended consideration. Thanks for posting it.
I think you may be developing a bit of a swagger, Mr. Thornhill. As you should. Well done and thank you for this great presentation!
+E. Lectricity
Yup, E.L. I like the confidence he presents, too. Pure frustration with ‘Railroaded Science’ from Wal and a lot of people.
Namaste and care,
mhikl
+E. Lectricity I noticed that swagger . It comes from being right all the time.
This idiot proved nothing. He did NOTHING to prove that his EU bullshit is in any way "better" theory than what we already about the universe.
It is unfortunate that he has to spend most of his time pointing out the clear logical flaws in dogmatic contemporary sophistry.
Wal is an OG
Elctric Universe is the only thing that makes sense
Right on! I`v been following along with both theory`s for quite some time and find the electric universe paradigm the most sensible.
Yes
MrRyanmcmahon Thanks Ryan and if I may add so does the Saturn model provided by Dave Talbott the late Dwardu Cardona, Ev Cochrane among-st many others. I for one am in agreement with Wal in that 2017 looks to be an explosive year for the EU. I am told by insiders that this upcoming conference is going to be one of the best yet. Ben Davidson has made an awesome addition as well as Andy Hall, Alex Fournier, and Eugene Bagashove who`s name I`m pretty sure I spelled wrong. Thunderbolts is growing in number and as soon as some of the big colleges get wind of this it will be like wildfire and not a moment to soon as the world needs this shot in the arm.
It helps advance psychology and medicine too, since we are electromagnetic creatures who will obviously benefit from understanding the forces shaping and affecting us..
Literally covers everything. Just discovered this theory, and even with a basic understanding of subatomic particles and electricity, it's clear as day.
Gravity, being so weak that the Earth can't even stop us from jumping, captures and forces the moon's orbit? Doesn't make sense until this theory is fitted into theory of relativity.
Mathematics is the oldest longest running simulation of reality.
First Principles
RMCM : 5 … Mathematics is the manipulation of Function and Form to elucidate Cause and Effect.
First Principles
RMCM : 6 … Science is the manipulation of Cause and Effect to elucidate Function and Form.
First Principles
RMCM : 7 … In the cases of Mathematics and Science, Technology is the final proof.
This man is a pioneer. He has the heart in the right place! I was so honored to be able to interview him and I just uploaded the interview on my UA-cam channel, I will love if you guys come check it out to see what Wal has to say
Are there any simulations to support the claims in this lecture?
I have been watching alternative science in the last 25 years and becoming more and more sceptical mainly because all I hear is talking. Without equations and simulations it is weightless. Alternative science needs to get more scientific than standard science if wants to be accepted.
I would also like to see some very basic experiments supporting alternative science, contradicting regular science.
Ibrahim Kaya not sure about simulation maybe simulation relies too much on mathematics alone, perhaps a simple experiment, i do believe there was a short video of one experiment conducted in this presentation, there was also some mathematical equations before that. so i would say no its not just talk, but you know if you like you can fund these guys so that they can go and do the experiment. or alternatively think of an experiment that may contradict your own belief systems. its not about Who is wrong but What is wrong. ironically this whole presentation is providing some clues to the issues and problems of current big bang/black hole science in other words addressing the problems, also known as real science.
shaun smit
i think he just chooses to be ignorant
+Ibrahim Kaya i think he may have more to give as the thought process develops. watch youtube: "the primer fields" parts 1-2 by david lapoint.
+shaun smit mojority are from electric scarring.
+Joe Stitz
Be careful of primer field references. The experiments you're referring to use magnets that are not monopole.
He is such a dull speaker . Though he is talking some sense i am unable to concentrate on the lecture due to sleepiness
Sadly true.
Everyone should be grateful to have lived long enough to get to see this.
Y.
Mark from 3 yrs ago, could you add some substance to your statement? I'll just say, I got nothing but someone saying what most of the world of science of incorrect
@@250txc Yeah 3 years ago and still a pseudohypothesis.
Im grateful that I'll die with some understanding of my place and creation and the energy of space and spirit. People can't seem to except that we were taught an unproven theory not facts. Not cgi renditions of proposed events. And because these scientists are soooo smart. Look at my PhD. I can memorize better than you. I better listen. These idiots put fluoride in drinking water to help your teeth. never mind that it polishes every bone in your body. It'll just effect our teeth. Even whrn you drink it. Trust the establishment at your own peril.
@@vids595 Just math tricks? OK and I guess next to understand the math tricks, we have to learn math?
Wallace Thornhill's presentations have been helping me battle insomnia for years.
I wish Richard Feynman were still alive to see this (EU and TB). I know he would just love it! He always loved the simple explanations to make the apparently complex, easily understood. Keep up the awesome work you guys! I try to get everyone that I know and meet, to take a serious look at the EU. And it's working!
No, he would have hated it. It's pseudoscience, very little real physics is on show here. Don't disgrace his name by even suggesting he wouldn't discard this as the nonsense it is
Perfectly beautiful theory. I think Wal Thornhill has figured out what "Gravity" actually consists of, and for that matter just about everything else..
Hi Naimul Haq,
I gave my impression of Wallace Thornhill and what has done The work is his. I believe in much of his work, but not necessarily all of it.
I am not a spokesman or representative for Wal Thornhill though. So, please, watch the video above and research his thoughts.
Perhaps, you could then address your questions about his theory to him?
Cheers
Well, quite frankly, I get that same impression about your comments. But, perhaps you know better?
You do not appear to have any real knowledge of EU Theory and have done no real research of your own on the topic. Typical copycat Trolling. Quoting a famous dismissive quote shows where you come from. If you seemed sincere I might have made an effort. But, your mind is clearly closed.
For the record: The symbolic language tool known as equations only have meaning when they are based on observable testable assumptions. If you knew anything at all about EU, you'd know that "It's all about the evidence." Try actually reading the material itself sometime It might broaden your knowledge and make your comments seem less foolish?
Alright Kalum Batsch,
That is enough trolling of my comments! I have no objection to your being a cynic, but I do object to you seeming to troll my comments.
The evidence, logic and real scientific reasoning is plentiful and forthcoming from both Wallace Thornhill and Stephen J. Crothers just to name two. But, I suspect that you would have already found the proof for these alternative theories of the Universe if you were really interested in learning new things. The "old guard" typically, and foolishly, tends to fights tooth and nail to preserve their own theoretical templates no matter how illogical and shaky the foundation of their cherished theories may in fact be.
Demonstrable proof is the basis of any true science. Stop asking me to spoon feed you information that you can obtain for yourself. Or, go ask Thornhill and Crothers, or the many other Electric Universe theorists and researchers for yourself Find the evidence for yourself!I stated my opinion in my comment. That was all I did. Okay?
And, when I say you should do your own research I don't mean that to include your reading other people's editorializing and just taking their opinions as your own. When you allow others do the work for you, they are apt to give you their slant on things and lead you astray. Think and learn for yourself using your critical mind. Take nothing but God on faith, question everything else.
Regards,
Okay, I called it right. You are just trolling my comments. If folks don't want your simplified version in "Twitter Form" they can easily find the the original more thoughtful attacks with a simple Google search. I'm not here to argue or try to reach closed minds. In my opinion all in all the Electric Universe Theory is far more valid and scientific than conventional Cosmological theory. However, like any theory it makes assumptions. If you actually followed the research you might know just how often these assertions have turned out to be predictively correct though. But, I'm wrong to be responding to a person who trolls other people's comments. So, I'm being foolish to even try and have a conversation here. In any case now that you've had your "rhetorical orgasm," kindly leave me out of the rest of your Internet life experience. Arguing with you just doesn't do it for me, dude. Peace ;)
It is very clear to me, if gravity cannot be simply explained it is not understood. The math proves it.
Wal Thornhill does an excellent job in explaining how gravity works in his talk (The long path to understanding gravity) thunderbolts 2015 conference. P.S. For those of you who are interested in knowing your true history and thereby a better understanding of yourselves stick with the thunderbolts folks and the conversation your reading comments about. P.S.S. The talk Dave Talbott did on (Exposing the myths of settled science) and the DVD (Remembering the End of the World) are both excellent!
James Kenyon When gravity is truly understood it will replace the imagination of Einstein with reality.
francesco tammaro Yes indeed, and when I drop a plate of spaghetti on a floor I have to clean it up or perhaps if I`m to little my mom, however that is really where I am and I`m living the experience. We live in a 3 dimensional electric powered universe filled with plasma i.e, solids, liquids and gasses before they are solidified, liquefied, and or turned into gasses. Einstein introduced time as a dimension back in the 1930`s time which is not physical in any way, or form. The idea of being able to go back in time would mean unwinding the entire universe because its all connected. Time is motion measured nothing more and right now I`m enjoying a conversation with folks around the world who share a common thread of wanting to know about themselves and the universe they live in, thanks Francesco, fellow student, James
francesco tammaro I believe Einstein said something very similar to that.
francesco tammaro or perhaps that was Mark Twain...
It is hard to express in words the sense of understanding that comes with this video and evrything else that Wal and everyone else involved with this research has produced! Thank you
If gravity is fundamentally an electric phenomenon, and the ancient civilizations understood the primacy of electricity, suddenly the myths of golden flying machines and even humans on the moon in ancient recorded history become alarmingly plausible. Well, alarming only to adherents of standard cosmology and theoretical/mathematical physicists.
go on, make such a machine!
Nice to listen to a real critical thinker. Thanx Mr. Thornhill for your work.
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Fantastic presentation and really easy to understand. Thanks The Thunderbolts Team.
there must be some simple explanation for the gyro experiment. A gyro that is spinning weights the same as a gyro that is not. It's that simple. The mass of the spinning gyro does not change. Surely that has been proven time and again experimentally.
Publish all this stuff in a peer-reviewed physics journal if you want anybody to take it seriously.
The "peers" have their minds made up and reject anything that differs from their theories EVEN IF they match the facts - just ask the person who suggested some ulcers were caused by bacteria. He was laughed out of town then years later awarded the Nobel Prize. Peer review means nothing when it comes to true breakthroughs. Tesla would be scorned today by "peers"
In a universe where academics are bound by truth and not by political pressure and paying off the mortgage you would have a point. The whole of academia is being seen more and more like the self serving church of the medieval period. Universities are caricatures of learning and are completely subservient to the flow of money. You might just as well put a paper into the catholic church telling them Mary wasn't a virgin. It's about politics not truth.
Tenure and grants are a big factor. Question any of the accepted theories and you won't get tenure, employment security as a professor, and you won't get money for research. It's not as bad in places like Russia, where they have been ahead of the USA for years in certain areas of physics - such as building on Tesla's work in the area of Longitudinal waves. I recently learned that in 1985, however, a Book came out acknowledging the error in Maxwell's equations as rewritten by Heaviside, which has opened the door to vast new areas of research, and it was not shot down by the powers that be like those in the American Physical Society, so there may be hope.
I've also learned that the classified world is far more advanced than I first thought. They may be a thousand years ahead of where the unclassified world is technology-wise. There's a good UA-cam video on the Musha Jump Drive you might want to check out. It treats the speed of light as a "potential barrier" as one finds in a transistor etched on an integrated circuit. A ship can cross that barrier just like an electron passes through a layer of silicon, disappearing on one side and appearing on the other. Though the Musha Jump Drive requires a lot of energy, it can take you vast distances in a very short time. For example, the Musha Jump Drive can take you to the Andromeda Galaxy, which is two billion light years away, in just a few minutes. I thought this Drive was merely a theoretical matter but Mark McCandlish reports hearing we've been there and even set up colonies in the outer rim. This drive is based on the research of Hal Putoff, Musha is a well respected Japanese physicist. If we are doing that sort of thing, thr little dog and pony show NASA puts on, sending probes to Mars which take five months to get there, is even more ridiculous than I originally thought.
We've reportedly also found "portals" that allowed us to do things like visit the moon since 1960. The first was found in Northern Virginia. The military has been going there for sixty years. It only takes five minutes. NASA stopped going to the moon because they were beginning to interfere with what our military was doing there. And China just sent a probe to the dark side of the moon, where our major base is, to see what's going on.
These technologies such as zero point energy need to be released into the public domain. Oil and coal is killing our planet. Take a look at some pictures of the smog in Beijing. We can't let that happen to earth as a whole. We are just driving around more advanced versions of Model T's and flying around in more advanced versions of the Wright Brothers powered glider, which is like the Stone Age compared to what we have in the secret programs. It's a real shame.
@@simonsmith3030 Physics isn't climate change.
@@@TeacherToolkitDemo no idea what you are talking about. Care to expand please...
Tesla had his own theory on gravity and of course it was electrical in nature... I can’t remember what he said but I remember it being quite compelling at the time I heard it.
The question "what causes gravity?": gravity distorts the atoms into dipoles which align to create gravity?
Occam's Electric Razor (TM)
Gold
Hi Wal
Is it possible that the birkeland currents themselves are what is holding the planets in orbit around the sun? Not gravity as presumed?
I like the way this man thinks
"Energy is charged matter in motion, relative to the charged matter in the rest of the universe." Thanks for that definition.
Ahhh , the “ hostility “ towards the questions which can’t be answered , sort of like a Monty Python movie, “the word which shall not be spoken” …..oh boy ….. thank you Wal - what a giant you are . Retrospect is always “20/20 “ , so obvious …..what causes gravity ? Feynman was bright enough to admit. Again , indigenous peoples have a much greater acceptance of an instant , connected, “electric” universe , much more so than modern science 🙏
I like Thornhill and the TB project, but there is a cringe worthy statement in the middle of the presentation. He says at new moon, the pull of the sun on the moon is roughly two times that of earth's, saying that's a problem. It isn't. Short explanation: the sun also pulls on the earth.
If you're sure, you won't mind elaborating. We're ready.
Attraction
50:00 Oh my god thats what Venus is slowing down!! It's losing mass via electrical transmission! Earth will only get heavier! PEOPLE WILL ONLY GET SMALLER!!
Thank you sir for your time and energy enjoyed the presentation.
Wallace Thornhill said, "Time is universal." to extend this, I propose: "The movement of time is the iteration of fractal Being."
Wal. I watched your refutation of Einstein's mathematical explanation of the creation of a black hole. It is easier to use simple logic to show how wrong he was, and how easy it is to use assumptions in the math explanation of physical phenomena. I vwill show the logical phalasy with Q & A. Q. Assuming standard solar fusion creating iron at the core, would the core cooling not prevent heat to be the cause of atomic collapse? A: Yes. Q: At the centre of gravity of the massive star, would the equal mass in all directions cause the gravity to cancel out to zero? A: Yes. Q: What is left to cause gravitational collapse? A: Nothing. Using the centre of gravity in calculaions is only valid for the exterior of an object, but this is rarely considered even by geniuses! I find it very disturbing that black hole and neutron star formation is considered possiuble by the majority of the scientific community. My congratulations for your work, but sometimes you don't need to work so hard!
Thanks for posting your presentation Wal!
Your sensibly simple assessment of so elusive a process is beautiful!
I suspect you've found the truth.
Now where can we advance to next with this breakthrough?
How can we see and understand the communication between charged particles that affords awareness of changes over great distances?
How can we use this to communicate with each other over those same distances.
Can we transfer the covalent configurations of matter over these distances and thereby travel?
Can we use this to replicate atoms and molecules?
The inclusion of an electron structure in the atomic model changes the game. It also means other particles likely have structures as well.
They may have a fractal nature to these structures as the particles making up electrons may have their own systems and so on?
What would it mean if there's no end to it?
Truly, the more one knows, the more one realizes one doesn't know much at all!
Thanks again and have a great day!
Jon Mallary Hi Jon, try some of Dan Winter's vids [his total disregard on Google suggests to me me he may be pretty well on it].....and then start meditating : ) Peace and joy, Si
+Ashley Law
Or maybe hexagons ;)
+Simon V
Ok I'll take a look!
+Jon Mallary
ok yeah, I've seen this guy speak before on DNA.
His gravity explanation speaks to effect and unseen wave structure but not cause and he buys into the black hole notion which, I do not.
He's an interesting guy though...but uses a lot of words I've never heard and cannot find definitions for?
Thanks for the comment. Have a great day
Finally!!! Thank you TB.
Amazing lecture! At 33:34 that bit about the particles moving so much faster than light brought to mind the idea in the big bang model of space expanding much faster than C... Do you see any possible connection between the 2 ideas?
There are aspects of Thornhill's argument that are very alluring and certainly require further investigation but there are also numerous errors in his conclusions.
So the mass of an object can fluctuate depending on the electrical charge it receives?
I was interacting with an astronomer who called EU proponents "these people" and had one post after another attempting to debunk EU with - a drum roll please - mathematics. He even threw a bunch of math equations at me to prove I didn't know what I was talking about. I noted that it seems that the religion of the Standard Model has a high-priestly language, the Latin of the Standard Model is mathematics.
But as Einstein and relativity drift out to sea, the clear axiom is "observation trumps math" If you can't observe, measure, test or predict with it, it's not real science, just a narrative looking for a storyteller. EU predicts it, measures it and nails it.
Joshua Light Next time reply with own made up on spot, long as possible mathematical formula, and wait on their reaction.
+tomas jina Now you're speakin' their language! LOL
+Jeremiah Mullikin Ha! You mean tests of confirmation bias, right? Is the "lensing" the result of gravity, or something else? In the EU world, gravity is just to weak to pull it off. In the standard model, hope springs eternal and gravity is king. Gravity gives rise to crackpot theories like black holes (which Hawking has now denounced) and dark matter. "Does" the precession of the perihelion of Mercury prove relativity, or is this effect better explained by something else entirely? Let's face it, with spooky quanta Einstein is dead and Relativity is dead with it. It's past time to move on, and this one observation tosses Einstein into the dustbin., He always belonged there. Thrill us with the other tests of Relativity that have not been debunked or already revealed as fraud. This should be a very instructive journey for you. Let's start with the constant speed of light, which Einstein "stipulated" as a constant to make his math easier, but nobody has ever actually proven that the speed of light is constant. Moreover, if Einstein is right and time is relative, the speed of light cannot be constant. (Speed = distance/time) - and if time is relative, so is speed. See? Einstein just can't stop painting himself into a corner. Or in Einstein's words: "Mutatis Mutande!!!"
+Joshua Light
That was done with class, thank you for thoughts my friend!
+Joshua Light Mathematics is the only objective language we have, accessable to everyone What guys like you (and most of the reactions herein) present, are just slogans. Good enough to start a fundamentalist religion or political party, but that's where it ends.
yea sure .... and without mathematics you do not have your electric universe explained at all.
Quite the paradox , I would say.
*discovered
Maths is an attempt to predict observation. If your maths fails to predict an observation it is incorrect. Mainstream physics assume their equations are correct in the face of contradictory observation. They then create a second layer of maths that brings in fictitious entities. Black holes, dark energy, etc. Then when observation fails they do it all over until you're left with an soup of failed predictions and a string of news headlines in the form of, "new discovery baffles scientists". Unfortunately, science is a human endeavour and so advances one funeral at a time. People will hold on to faulty theories to protect their careers and funding.
Every particle once known, has dimensions, every dimension has energy or holds a
temperature, temperature is held in particles (holding it in, then just
reflecting light, or releasing radiating from within to release something man
can measure to increase it visibility), the bigger the dimensions, the less
effect or influence one degree has. When the particles dimension gets smaller,
the more effect one degree of temperature has. Temperature makes mass its
weight relative, or variable, just like a balloon on earth. in space everything
is weightless, would we know if Mass got relatively more heavy in space? in
space movement seems sluggish, slow, watery, like particles on a sub atomic
scale slow down, loose temperature in space, and become inert (space is dark
matter, to fine for us to find(yet has effect all around us by invisible yet
massed particles),too small to hold enough temperature in cold space to tell us
of its existence (fast release of temperature in cold space, see the suns glow,
the end of the photonic light giving state losing all visibility until it
reignites on our atmosphere, the ionized zone, the thermosphere where high
temperature from impact and "resistance?" is, the double gravity well of Einstein wherein
all falls back to center of Gravity) yet all singles we can’t see and measure
have a total mass weighing on earth’s atmosphere, it’s too small to reflect
anything we can see, so dark energy inside the particle), with a total pressure
of all single invisible massed particles around you.
Would we notice mass increased weight in space? Space is the normal, planets the exception.
Temperature seems to make mass its weight relative, the more collisions inside
on a sub atomic scale, the more lift the bubble (with total mass as a system) the
faster inside, the more collisions, the more temperature, the more resistance,
the more lift. When increased movement becomes a centrifugal force, the faster
it spins, the less time per rotation that mass is actually busy falling. Lighter,
literally, both ways, more visible, and less relative mass, by shedding inside
from its own dimensions on a sub atomic scale so many times at the same time as
atoms form shapes we can see. its Temperature that repels, when a dimension of
a particle (its size) is fully filled and can hold no more Temperature, or
energy (the particle lets no more Temperature in), and its Mass that is
negative, cooling, attracted, wanting to cool, loose energy to reach its own
normal state, a fixed temperature (or energy, or influence factor) divided over
all particles forming a homogeneous total mass or shape. Inside atoms,
particles are closer to each other, the two body laws of newton work perfectly
on any scale it seems. The more mass clumps together, the center of gravity of
the total Mass with shape changes, and gets further and further if both or even
one body increased in mass and size relatively. Planets seem to be in a
(electro) magnetic lock, attracted by their masses, repelled by Temperature
(sun is natures +)
about the altrinsic redshift:
instead of drawing distance from the redshift, it could also be an indication
of the velocity of information reaching our [atmospheric] lenses. it does
not need to tell us about distance, if lights speed is a variable, that can get
bend and therefore taking more time to cover more distance around a planet to
reach us (making it a mix of lights information reaching us), no warping of
space-time necessary... there is only 0,0035% of visible to humans light
frequencies in space, would you call 0,0035% of an apple an apple? maybe if it
fell on your head... this little visible light is almost negligible, no light
makes the sun, the stars the moon anything a sort of a projection on our
atmosphere, the hot border from where light starts to be able to exist, in a
emitting/releasing photonic form. Space made it lose all its energy, or
temperature pretty fast after leaving the sun.
I think the one force to rule them all is Temperature, which makes mass
its weihgt relative (depending on out to in from atoms on earth, to
in to out from atpms in space releasing their temperature) and forces a
natural flow or movement of visible and invisible mass between absolute points in space.
Whether we can see this (effect) or
not :) nature doesn’t care.
Love The Thunderbolts Project, your irritation with institutionalized narratives is understandable, and it lends to the nickname Thorny.
This was amazing to watch! Using some of the ideas for An extended Project at my college which I've titled "The Mysteries of Gravity", thank you for uploading this.
+TrueDAN Great idea! Yeah I'd say we do a public service to other people's cognition when we present all the phenomena which don't fit with a current belief. Helps people become more unattached to the ideas of a moment, and inspires them to prefer the excitement of new epiphanies over the security of preconceptions. : )
Took me a couple of times watching this to tie everything together, but I finally understand fully his model (and more importantly source) of gravity. Takes a bit to wrap your mind around gravity being repulsive, but it does fit when you take into account the universe (well everything in it surrounding us) itself as the repulsive force keeping us on this rock and not some particles like the had to do back in LeSage's day when they knew nothing of how vast the visible universe is (even if it isn't as big as the big bang guys propose it's still big).
I have been looking for this information for several years and I finally stumbled upon it by accident. Great, great!
He’d be more convincing if he spent less time attacking other ideas and imputing bad motives to everyone that disagrees with him, as it is he just sounds like some kind of religious fundamentalist
Kevin Vail - science is considered supreme to religion but is no less dogmatic and doctrine centered. 😉
@@jesseg9088 ummm, do you know anything at all about science, lol?
ian5576 - well now. WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM CHICKIN FUCKER.
WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT...
YOU'RE RIGHT!
SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT !
WE'VE BEEN LIED TO LONG ENOUGH !
@@ian5576 try and obtain funding for an opposing theory.
This somehow resonates with me. Makes more sense than anything else. Thanks!
Unfortunately, the clock is a good surrogate for time, since things that affect the ticking of clocks also seem to have temporal effect on things that don't tick. You can't just dismiss it out of hand just because it doesn't agree with your theory. Even though Relativity is wrong, that doesn't mean that we can dismiss the parts that are right. Whatever replaces Relativity is going to have to say a lot of the same things as Relativity, just without those insane infinities.
The more I see about the electric universe, the less likely it becomes that this is the correct replacement for Relativity.
Finally some of the conference vids! Thank you
The lie of militant materialism is falling apart! Awesome work!
+Alive79311 Very nicely put.
+Phuket Word ✌️
It would also explain the Explaining Earth Theory !
if Earth's surface gravity was less in the past, its volume would have been less because its inner repulsive force (anti-gravity) would also have been less.
Earth's mass would have stayed constant.
Expanding Earth theory.
Loved Thornhill & Velikovsky! They were correct. Scientists, “yeah but if we agree, they calls us names & no grant money. Oh noes, Oh noes.”
Regardless of boondoggle, false motives or mistaken objectives, the CERN and the Gravity Wave projects are engineering marvels whose innovations can be used for furthering technology and one-off manufacturing. The importance of lessons learned in trying to create benchmarks of absolute perfection in creativity is lost upon many who jealously take this for granted. I have no illusions the government financiers of these projects have sciences' or humanities' interests in mind, only further enslavement of the Earth.
Just finished watching. Simply brilliant. Thank you again Wall.
I am eagerly awaiting anything new on the SAFIRE project. I really want to see some high-speed camera clips.
+ AntiFed1791 Me too!
Bravo Wall! Absolutely fenomenal way of making everything clear and understandable. Great presentation and topic I hope to meet you one day in person guys to show you my admiration and honor for your work. you will certainly leave a huge mark in hystory of mankind.
Under Special Theory of Relativity, an object moves with a velocity close to light, shrinks in the direction it moves. Thus distance between two charges within the object also shrinks, and the mass of the object as charges squared divided by distance between charges, increases. The distance shrinks close to zero, but never zero and the mass although becomes large but never infinite.
Well now Matt Hunt, it appears that you did not realize that Wal was talking about the measurement of "mass" on earth. It's unlikely that you could find another scientist watching this who didn't realize that.
+Cyber Kurajber - The speed of light is a limit rather than a constant.
+Cyber Kurajber The speed of light is 42 crumps per blivit.
***** - Light resumes its speed limit when it enters the vacuum of space.
Nathan Neiman - I'd love to review about any experiments that have been done to that effect. Can you refer me?
@ Thunderbolts Project. First of all Thank you all.
I have a desire. A comprehensive step by step guide in video form (with graphics) Inclusive of all the latest observations of the Electric Universe Model. From the formation of matter and the processes involved in gaining mass.
From How Space/Aether/Akasha transforms into the other states of Matter.
Can anyone point to the key videos to watch to get a better grasp of the EU truths please?