Great content. I have a paid subscription to upswing poker, which has a lot of great content , but it really gets into the weeds. These videos strike a nice balance between presenting the high level ideas, while still going into some detail in order to highlight the overarching strategy. Thank you for making these lectures available to all.
And here we thought that giant sucking sound was industry leaving for Mexico! This whole thing is a commercial for GTO Wizard. That very professional site, like many others, is no doubt a useful study tool. And it has a free trial before they ask you for the money, $39 a month for basic, $129 a month for the, koff, choke, "Elite." Don't try using it during cash games, like poor silly Mike Postle (Google "poker cheats caught") -- the very lucky man who got caught staring at his phone a lot, then listening to his buddy on his "hidden" earpiece. Half-wit Mike was one of the lucky ones: he made a few thousand quid in local games before he got kicked out of poker for life. If he'd tried for the big time, he might have gotten all the little bones in his hands ground up in the back room with a rubber hammer,
I've watch some Nick Howard videos and intuition comes up in his criticism of Janda's more analytical approach. Carrell is another who's critical of GTO in favor of intuitive expertise. The method presented in this video gives a decent idea for where intuitive expertise can give your learning an added dimension and how to explicitly develop skilled post flop performance. Nick himself suggested with a comment on bluffs and bluff catching as exploit vs counter exploit that the river is the most important round to study.
Sound advice, and a good post, Aqua. Mastery of any skill consists of both learning from experts as well as honing your own craft. This UA-cam post is of course an advertisement for one of the many good ways of learning from some of the experts. There's a free trial, and then you can make up your own mind whether to pay them their monthly. It is no longer acceptable anywhere, and it was never very sensible, to try using this expensive service on a phone in your lap during a cash game.
humbly, one of the best videos of the channel. this knowledge is more important than any strategic tips.... and it comes pre loaded with those by nature
4 bet pot when solver seems to mix X/b10/b25/geometric between all hands "randomly". I guess the mix is mostly due to extremely narrow ranges and preventing the exploitation by using blockers. It would be nice if you can talk about the heuristics in 4 bet pots.
Does GTOWizard ever recommend finding a donk who will stack off with one pair and then pretending to be loose and aggressive with erratic behavior and showing quick bluffs and using table talk to goad him into calling when your range once you bet the river is just the nuts?
@@bryan-still-a-poker-player Wey-yull, Bryan, there's the good ol' Geschichte des Bocage: "So I wuz sitting under a tree, and a tank came at me down the lane. So I hit it with a rocket. "Then another one came down the lane. so I hit it with another rocket." "An' the only problem wuz, I ran out of rockets before the Americans ran out of tanks." So, yes, Ashes may win with that waiting game some time. For a while.😅
yea，i feel just a lot pictures comes out of my brain what does turn comes out or river, whats my opponent's response if i do something, just like play chess. U can use information and reading of the board, and ur hands blocking range to simulate decisions.
It always bothered me when youtubers would use one solution (like piosolver's here) while analyzing the hands of solver-studying players, and then say things like "you'd never be in this spot if you were playing anything resembling a GTO strategy". The fact that pio was the only solver here to have a 0% chance of taking the 3/4 pot bet is a great example of why (even if correct) that is a rushed conclusion that needs further explanation.
I believe because 33 and 44 unblock the most missed stuff that has decent equity against us ie mid sc's, A4 A5s, it will bluff off mid pps and it's using it to balance the monster hands that overbet. Its a polarised bluff, it easy insta folds vs any further aggression
There can be more than one GTO solution. Practically speaking, we solve to a certain "exploitability threshold". So what this is actually saying is that different strategies can accomplish the same level of accuracy. If we require more accuracy, then fewer strategies would satisfy the constraint.
Ive never heard heuristics in a sentance in my life and now it's in every gto poker video. The english language has a massive vocabulary, lets try and use it yall? Love the videos though, appreciate the content. It is funny how GTO solvers pretty much tell us what we were doing already was done good. I do believe using advanced game theory in thr average live game can cost great players alot of EV with over bluffing and over calling too much.
Well said, Alex. One problem with some bluffs is that a skillful bluff represents a false proposition; many of the fish are too stupid to reason the situation through to understand what you are trying to represent. You've simply constructed for yourself the very difficult problem of scaling the fake bet so you take the pot rather than just building it up for your inferiors.
Biggest mistake is that people seem to forget that every study or analyze is based on history and then they apply their "learned" knowledge in future situations just like a bot or a machine. They forget that every single hand is a new bet, and therefor it should be analyzed as such. E.g: This guy here seems to do so in this spot, so therefor I will play like this, everytime i play this guy again, because that is what my study and analyzes tell me. But you do not consider any other reasons for the play that guy did in that specific session or hand, you base your "knowledge" on. Was he drunk? Was he distracted by someone talking to him? Was he on tilt? Especially online people rely way too much on their hud's and it is so easy to exploit.
Is the solver gto wizard uses also publically available? I miss the nodelock feature in the wizard and pio edge is fine but not so intuitive to handle as gto wizard
GTO Wizard uses Jesolver, then we plug the solution into our own interface. Glad you like it! You can copy the ranges at any point into your own solver for further use.
Using GTO Wizrd in a cash game will get you taken to the back room where they smash your hands up with a rubber hammer. In Vegas it gets you a shallow rave out in the desert.
Doesn’t seems as bizarre, there is science field where you also perform simulation to find an equilibrium point (molecular biochimie simulation) and you could see that their is several pseudo equilibrium state, which are an equilibrium but not the optimal one, where you simulation can get stuck
Our solutions are accurate to 0.2%-0.3% pot. This is well above industry standard, but we're not resting on our laurels and continue to resolve spots to higher accuracy! The first point of this video shows that many strategies potentially satisfy "human-unexploitable" parameters. The second point explains the limitations of direct memorization. So the purpose of this video is to show tools and techniques you can use to take a step back, look at the larger picture, and study broader heuristics/trends.
@@GTOWizard yes to be clear Im not critisizing the 2nd part of the video and you provided a lot of valueable informations through out the video. Sure, compared to other webbased gto databases 0.2-0.3% is not bad but with manual solvers people can solve with a higher accuracy to identify which sizings should be used the most. We don't need to come up with ways to simplify the strategy ourselves and simple run the solver for a longer time period. 0.3% accuracies often lead to a mix of all the c-bet sizings we allow the solver to have while 0.1 or less % (or different sizings) quite often show a solution that is very easy to implement with less mixing - you know all that. I also understand that from a business point of view you need to maximize effiency. Solving everything with 0.1% would take way more time and wouldn't be "max ev" for gtowizard. Just wished to hear some self critisizm about that and not statements like "being exploitable for 0.3% of the pot is very little and btw well known solvers get the same result"
The Number One Mistake People Make When Giving Advice To The Young is perfectly clear: it's saying "Don't do so-and-so." Seriously. Effective teaching does not consist of saying "Thus and so is false." Jack's father was yer typical dummy who tried to discipline his son with "Don't you dare climb that beanstalk." If Daddy had tod the kid, "Watch out for nasty giants up there," Jack would have given him part of the credit, maybe even a pension out of all that gold. Granny's advice is, try teaching, not lecturing people.
Didn't negraneau try using the gto wizard training vs polk and get his ass kicked because none of his multibetting lines made sense and it was overly complicated?
Great content. I have a paid subscription to upswing poker, which has a lot of great content , but it really gets into the weeds. These videos strike a nice balance between presenting the high level ideas, while still going into some detail in order to highlight the overarching strategy. Thank you for making these lectures available to all.
And here we thought that giant sucking sound was industry leaving for Mexico!
This whole thing is a commercial for GTO Wizard.
That very professional site, like many others, is no doubt a useful study tool. And it has a free trial before they ask you for the money, $39 a month for basic, $129 a month for the, koff, choke, "Elite."
Don't try using it during cash games, like poor silly Mike Postle (Google "poker cheats caught") -- the very lucky man who got caught staring at his phone a lot, then listening to his buddy on his "hidden" earpiece. Half-wit Mike was one of the lucky ones: he made a few thousand quid in local games before he got kicked out of poker for life. If he'd tried for the big time, he might have gotten all the little bones in his hands ground up in the back room with a rubber hammer,
this content is so high value! rly thankful that youre putting this out for free
Yes, there is a free trial.
It is not a good idea to look at your phone a lot while you're playing in a cash game.
I've watch some Nick Howard videos and intuition comes up in his criticism of Janda's more analytical approach. Carrell is another who's critical of GTO in favor of intuitive expertise. The method presented in this video gives a decent idea for where intuitive expertise can give your learning an added dimension and how to explicitly develop skilled post flop performance. Nick himself suggested with a comment on bluffs and bluff catching as exploit vs counter exploit that the river is the most important round to study.
Sound advice, and a good post, Aqua.
Mastery of any skill consists of both learning from experts as well as honing your own craft.
This UA-cam post is of course an advertisement for one of the many good ways of learning from some of the experts. There's a free trial, and then you can make up your own mind whether to pay them their monthly.
It is no longer acceptable anywhere, and it was never very sensible, to try using this expensive service on a phone in your lap during a cash game.
Awesome lecture yet again. Idea for next time: donk betting and sizing
incredible value here !
Great demonstration of the analysis power of GTO Wizard 👍
👋 👋 👋
Big thanks for that video. Now I know how to use GTOW and how approche to learning strategy. 🙏🤓
One of the best poker videos I’ve seen!!
humbly, one of the best videos of the channel. this knowledge is more important than any strategic tips.... and it comes pre loaded with those by nature
Better than 99% of the Run It Once Elite videos.
you dont have to hate on sometging to praise something else. plenty of good stuiff on RiO and other training sites, just as good as this, Great video
@@insomnyteq not hating, gto wizard is just the best
Bro is saying truth, rio is just waste of money I have purchased it and i know it’s useless as f. Got wizard is killin it
I can't believe this content is free. GTOWizard is on it's way to taking over this space completely.
New to this channel, and I concur.. very well scripted and highly informative.. thanks
Awesome video for learning better poker
Which topic would you like us to cover in the next coachings?
Multiway pots oop (4+ person pots) vs wide ranges
Playing on the big blind
4 bet pot when solver seems to mix X/b10/b25/geometric between all hands "randomly". I guess the mix is mostly due to extremely narrow ranges and preventing the exploitation by using blockers. It would be nice if you can talk about the heuristics in 4 bet pots.
186 flop subset
Delay CBet or probing
This is awesome thanks, I was kinda stuck with how to study using Wizard now I can use it no problem.
Does GTOWizard ever recommend finding a donk who will stack off with one pair and then pretending to be loose and aggressive with erratic behavior and showing quick bluffs and using table talk to goad him into calling when your range once you bet the river is just the nuts?
Good luck sir
@@bryan-still-a-poker-player
Wey-yull, Bryan, there's the good ol' Geschichte des Bocage:
"So I wuz sitting under a tree, and a tank came at me down the lane. So I hit it with a rocket.
"Then another one came down the lane. so I hit it with another rocket."
"An' the only problem wuz, I ran out of rockets before the Americans ran out of tanks."
So, yes, Ashes may win with that waiting game some time. For a while.😅
yea，i feel just a lot pictures comes out of my brain what does turn comes out or river, whats my opponent's response if i do something, just like play chess. U can use information and reading of the board, and ur hands blocking range to simulate decisions.
It always bothered me when youtubers would use one solution (like piosolver's here) while analyzing the hands of solver-studying players, and then say things like "you'd never be in this spot if you were playing anything resembling a GTO strategy". The fact that pio was the only solver here to have a 0% chance of taking the 3/4 pot bet is a great example of why (even if correct) that is a rushed conclusion that needs further explanation.
28:50 made me laugh out loud "the button's range is trash" 🤣🤣
Another idea: common mistakes in 3 or 4 bet pots
why is overbetting the underpairs at 23:00 the most efficient choice? surely check folding would be safer? thanks for the video its excellent content
I believe because 33 and 44 unblock the most missed stuff that has decent equity against us ie mid sc's, A4 A5s, it will bluff off mid pps and it's using it to balance the monster hands that overbet.
Its a polarised bluff, it easy insta folds vs any further aggression
This was super helpful. Ty
Excellent video ☝️
Gold! Thanks man
Enjoy your Delivery and outlook on the Game
Wait!!! Simply put if different solutions achieve the same goal GTO doesn't exist. Am I wrong?
There can be more than one GTO solution.
Practically speaking, we solve to a certain "exploitability threshold". So what this is actually saying is that different strategies can accomplish the same level of accuracy. If we require more accuracy, then fewer strategies would satisfy the constraint.
Thank you 🙏🏽
Great video. What are the assumptions for the hand with the 3 solvers?
superb
Ive never heard heuristics in a sentance in my life and now it's in every gto poker video. The english language has a massive vocabulary, lets try and use it yall? Love the videos though, appreciate the content. It is funny how GTO solvers pretty much tell us what we were doing already was done good. I do believe using advanced game theory in thr average live game can cost great players alot of EV with over bluffing and over calling too much.
Well said, Alex.
One problem with some bluffs is that a skillful bluff represents a false proposition; many of the fish are too stupid to reason the situation through to understand what you are trying to represent. You've simply constructed for yourself the very difficult problem of scaling the fake bet so you take the pot rather than just building it up for your inferiors.
Amazing explain 🔥💪
awesome video
awesome video! Thx a lot
Biggest mistake is that people seem to forget that every study or analyze is based on history and then they apply their "learned" knowledge in future situations just like a bot or a machine. They forget that every single hand is a new bet, and therefor it should be analyzed as such. E.g: This guy here seems to do so in this spot, so therefor I will play like this, everytime i play this guy again, because that is what my study and analyzes tell me. But you do not consider any other reasons for the play that guy did in that specific session or hand, you base your "knowledge" on. Was he drunk? Was he distracted by someone talking to him? Was he on tilt? Especially online people rely way too much on their hud's and it is so easy to exploit.
what options are there for complex solvers?
Would love analysis on defending against flop and turn donks as PFR or flop aggressor.
Is the solver gto wizard uses also publically available? I miss the nodelock feature in the wizard and pio edge is fine but not so intuitive to handle as gto wizard
GTO Wizard uses Jesolver, then we plug the solution into our own interface. Glad you like it!
You can copy the ranges at any point into your own solver for further use.
Using GTO Wizrd in a cash game will get you taken to the back room where they smash your hands up with a rubber hammer.
In Vegas it gets you a shallow rave out in the desert.
really good video
Can we say there's a multiverse of nash equilibrium solutions 🤯
are you absolutely sure the parameters you took on every 3 solvers were exactly the same? (it's about the very start of the video)
Yes. We'll be releasing more info about that solver comparison in an upcoming article. Check our blogs to stay up to date!
Doesn’t seems as bizarre, there is science field where you also perform simulation to find an equilibrium point (molecular biochimie simulation) and you could see that their is several pseudo equilibrium state, which are an equilibrium but not the optimal one, where you simulation can get stuck
@@GTOWizard How much ram is typical used in a SRP solve on GTOwizard? Can you realy compere it with a propper solve in GTO+?
Does GTO wizard offer any student discounts?
Wot? You mean it isn't free?
IT PISSES ME OFF HOW INTELLIGENT YOU ARE
this is amazing
you are providing a solution to a problem that can be literally solved by simply using higher accuracy settings.
Our solutions are accurate to 0.2%-0.3% pot. This is well above industry standard, but we're not resting on our laurels and continue to resolve spots to higher accuracy!
The first point of this video shows that many strategies potentially satisfy "human-unexploitable" parameters. The second point explains the limitations of direct memorization. So the purpose of this video is to show tools and techniques you can use to take a step back, look at the larger picture, and study broader heuristics/trends.
@@GTOWizard yes to be clear Im not critisizing the 2nd part of the video and you provided a lot of valueable informations through out the video.
Sure, compared to other webbased gto databases 0.2-0.3% is not bad but with manual solvers people can solve with a higher accuracy to identify which sizings should be used the most. We don't need to come up with ways to simplify the strategy ourselves and simple run the solver for a longer time period. 0.3% accuracies often lead to a mix of all the c-bet sizings we allow the solver to have while 0.1 or less % (or different sizings) quite often show a solution that is very easy to implement with less mixing - you know all that.
I also understand that from a business point of view you need to maximize effiency. Solving everything with 0.1% would take way more time and wouldn't be "max ev" for gtowizard. Just wished to hear some self critisizm about that and not statements like "being exploitable for 0.3% of the pot is very little and btw well known solvers get the same result"
How this is free, is mind blowing!
I demand you stop giving this away for free! I'm not leaving till you delete the channel!
Also please add 150bb complex soon :)
It's not free: It's US$139 a month.
Only the toy version is available as a "free trial" to get you hooked.
The Number One Mistake People Make When Giving Advice To The Young is perfectly clear: it's saying "Don't do so-and-so."
Seriously.
Effective teaching does not consist of saying "Thus and so is false." Jack's father was yer typical dummy who tried to discipline his son with "Don't you dare climb that beanstalk." If Daddy had tod the kid, "Watch out for nasty giants up there," Jack would have given him part of the credit, maybe even a pension out of all that gold.
Granny's advice is, try teaching, not lecturing people.
"seeing the forrest throgh the trees" are u german? :D"den wald vor lauter bämen sehen" is a german saying^^ which is accurate a lot of time^^
The German's have a saying for everything :)
I think solvers aren't very effective for anything under NL500
This is how I'm going to study both technical play and GTO ua-cam.com/video/Yk4cCUP6bI4/v-deo.html
Didn't negraneau try using the gto wizard training vs polk and get his ass kicked because none of his multibetting lines made sense and it was overly complicated?