could just be like late 90s early 2000s cars and pop up a snowflake when its freezing out. or a little tire with a thermometer next to it to indicate its cold and let your tires warm up first. i still find these redundant though as when i'm ridding i check the weather before i leave so i know what gear to wear and what to pack along. could be great in the morning but rain in the forecast, so i'll pack my rain suit. or cold in the morning so wear my warm gloves and extra outers, but warm on my way back from work so i should bring along my backpack to stuff it all in later. maybe its just me but part of riding in the first place is understanding the extra risks and issues that come with it and develop habits and systems to overcome those problems.
Since Yammi lives in Texas (hot for most of the year) he doesn't appreciate how knowing the temperature right there in our exact spot is super helpful when you live in a climate that can drastically vary not only through the year but also throughout the day.
Yup! I've been thinking about mounting one for the winter months. Plus, I might have dressed for "cold", and I'd like the option to cut a ride short if it starts dropping into "frozen" - *before* it really starts to get to me.
I ride year round, but have a limit down to about 25° at which my gear isn't as effective in keeping the chill away. Knowing just how cold it is where I'm riding helps with "bragging" about being the crazy guy who's out riding in that weather. LoL.
I used to know exactly how much to dress because of it back when i used to commute on bike, it was very convinient for me personally. Its already used by the ecu so why not display it. Dudes not the brightest and likely bisexual but whatever we still watch him.
I do like the ambiant temp, on the 765 RS if it drops below 4.5c it will give you surface warning, makes you abit more cautious when dash shows warnings.
Hill start assist is something that make my ride much more accessible and I'm very happy that my bike have it. I'm after right leg amputation so having hsa or really expensive adaptation
Hi Yammie the ambient temperature is actually an essential feature, especially for those who travel from continents that have different temperatures and have to cross them. You can adjust many things according to the ambient temperature and make your trip safer.
@Drakelett Not all motorcyclists use their bike just for a highway shot or for hanging out with friends. There's people that do long trips they need to know which gear to wear, if the road will be iced and many other things.
Totally disagree on the ambient temp. I start noticing at what temps my gear works (like gloves and jacket liners, heated gear), and I am more able to know how to dress properly for next rides.
@@wlt3585 The temp changes throughout the ride and I keep noticing at what temp I need to use the heavy gloves versus heated gloves versus light gloves. I personally find it helpful to keep looking at the dash and note what the temp is. To each their own.
As for the OAT, from my days as a pilot, I don't mind having an OAT. It gives you something to do on a long ride. Like, oh, hey, the temp went down 2deg C when I entered the national forest. Now its only 37deg C down from 39! I'm still about to pass out because it's over 130F in my jacket, but hey before I lose consciousness, that's pretty interesting!..
Eco modes are fine, some of us commute on motorcycles and saving money is the name of the game. I also like the ambient temp gauge to let me know just how cautious I need to be in any particular area during fall/winter riding.
for people treats motorcycle as a tool and mode of transportation like in asia, it's useful feature, they don't treat motorcycle as a toy and thrill machine
I appreciate the ambient temperature gauge, as a new rider I was able to pay attention to what gear to wear going into fall.
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I live in Sweden, and in the fall and spring, the ambient temperature is critical while riding. Above 5 degrees C, it cant freeze over. But temps can vary a lot... a compass would be VERY useful too. And regarding brake ducts. Doesn't the mighty Goldwing have that since the 80's?
I enjoyed the lean angle tracker on the Z H2. How else am I supposed to measure my testicular fortitude after a ride? Not with the avg speed indicator since that maxed at 45mph for some reason.
I find an ambient temperature display to be a useful feature. The bike already has an ambient temperature sensor which the ECU uses to adjust fuel/air ratio. The bike already has a display. So allowing the ambient temperature to be displayed is just a matter of software. It adds no additional hardware.
@@Mikiszub Somewhat wrong answer. Intake air temp (engine air) and Ambient air temp (surrounding environment) are two completely different things. The Intake air temperature sensor (for ECU) on most bike takes the temp reading from inside the preheated air-filter box or manifold and is not ambient air temperature. Ambient air temp gauge is for your safety! It is important to know if it's at or below freezing where you actually are in your surroundings, and not just from somewhere else as reported on the local weather channel.
@@ajseusa1488 That will be true in cars where intake is in engine bay and air will have temp diferent than ambient, but I reckon on bikes its the same sensor
@@Mikiszub The Intake air temp (ECU sensor) for my 300L is up to 50°F+ higher than ambient air temperature after sitting in a hot soak condition. (Like after the 180°F+ engine & exhaust transfers loads of heat into the air-filter box while stationary+idling or after engine shut-down) Going down the road it is around 15-30°F higher than ambient. The IAT sensors temperature reading is far too different from the actual ambient air temperature to use for that function. Sorry, I tried to use it for that function, but it was way more different that I thought. It is correct though first thing in the morning before you start the engine, and then the IAT is good for ambient temperature too. 🙃
Just like with cars, the tinkerers and the hotrodders will steer away from new, and the aftermarket will keep expanding. A 20 year old big four will give 90% of the fun, at 20 % of the price.
Hill start is helpful for letting the bike idle in neutral when on a slight incline. It allows me to take both hands off the controls and accomplish a small and fast task without turning off the bike, putting it in grear, then restarting it just to switch screens on my phone or tighten my helmet strap.
As someone who rides year round, ambient temp is very usefull. Sometimes i feel cold and swear it is freezing, but it actually is 5C so very little risk of ice. Other times i feel decently warm but it turns out it is actually close to freezing, so i adjust my riding to that. But it's also just 'nice to know'. I like knowing the temperature and seeing the difference in temperature in places where i ride.
I use the ambient temperature gauge a lot in the winter, because it's frequently hovering around freezing. If it drops from 34 to 30 degrees, I know to keep a watch out for ice. If it's way up at 40 or down below 30 all the time, it's not all that useful since there isn't any FORMING ice.
Another vote for ambient temperature gauges. I like to check it as I start out to be sure I'm not under- or over-estimating my sense of it coming straight out of my house. Also second the value of a compass when riding in unfamiliar territory, though everyone uses GPS now anyway.
There's a lean angle sensor on my bike and I found it depressing on the street, thinking I wasn't able to lean much when on occasion I would look at it in a turn. However, it has a track timer that records it on the track and was happy to see that I was getting good lean angle on a track day, and that wasn't the main thing holding my lap times back (I just need to open the throttle more apparently).
The ambient temp guage could come in handy on long trips in winter. If you're wearing heated gear and the temp was mild when setting off, you might not realize how much it's dropped. Or you've raised or dropped in elevation and are passing through a vold belt. Would give you a heads-up for black ice. I think Yammie Noob is more used to desert riding.
Brake ducts are basically splatter guards for brake rotors and abs sensors. Ambient temperature sensors are quite useful when temperatures drop to a single digit. Eco mode is again quite useful as a commuter who pays 2.40 euro per litre of 98E5. When you're spending a tenner a gallon, 40 miles isn't that far.
3:45 you can tell the temp accurately by feel but you can't tell your heading?? Temp is a much more useful gauge than a compass (you have one on your phone anyway) when you can simply use the sun and road numbers to tell heading.
The air temp is useful for people like me who ride 24/7 and don’t use their phone as soon as they wake up. I generally like seeing if it’s under 20°f which means I’ll need to grab the heated gloves over the standard leathers.
I think the next steps for these high end bikes will active aero where the winglets move based on speed and lean angle. Edit..about ambient temp gauge..its a good thing because fully faired bikes in my expeirce keep a lot of the wind off you so I cant really tell HOW cold it actually is. Guess yam didnt think about the eco mode might be an emissions thing.
My Tusk cooling fan kit, came with an LCD screen that has a coolant temp readout. When the bike is parked. I'd find myself checking it nearly everytime I'm near the bike. Also, when your starting a bike in all different seasons in NW Montana. It's good to know the temperature. This will determine what viscosity of oil you'll need. 5w40,10w40,10w50, 15w50. I run them all for different applications. Peace!
The cosmetic stuff is pretty funny to see. A lot of what manufacturers are adding to their bikes, are just things people buy and install when spending too much time on Aliexpress. And to make it even funnier, you don’t need justification. They already explain for you 😂
Regarding ambient temp , when you start riding early in spring it might be +10C out there but once you ride it might drop to 4 or even 2 in some forest areas where sun is not so intensive due to forest and stuff , that why ambient temp gauge is very handy , you might drop some speed off if you see temp dropping and prepare for ice or smth.
The ambient temperature gauge reminds me that when the weather app says 50 degrees it was bloody cold when the temp gauge said that last time and I should add a layer or two this time. It also confirms that it is actually cold, or bloody hot - I can say it was 110 degrees on my way home, and that’s…. information. Also, right, no one needs CF huggers or fenders, but they look cool - brake ducts just don’t.
I see a use for the lean angle reading for novice riders. I'm not very confident at cornering my 275kg ZX-11 beast, but if I could see my leaning schematicly it aids in gaining confidence when I know how far (on the graph) I can lean in safely.
Yammy is wrong about the ambient temperature gauge! On long trips, I carry additional layers in my panniers and add and subtract layers based on changing conditions. In the mountains, the temperature changes dramatically depending on altitude, sunlight, precipitation, and other factors. When the temperature starts dropping, I layer up before I get cold because once you are cold on a motorcycle, you're miserable.
I think you may be missing the point a bit for three of these, the temp gauge, lean angle and hill assist. All are byproducts of either the "need" for ABS and traction control or to meet emissions regs. To start with the lean angle - this is used by the computer for various electronic saving of the rider who has bought a 200+ BHP bike but can't handle it. They will be saved by the electrickery, so why not have a display to show their heroism? Of course battered hero blobs or knee sliders are better. The temperature gauge is used in the fuel injection calculations, so again, why not have a display for it? The hill start assist has been around on cars for people that can't drive but on bikes as 'stall assist' due to the leaning off of the fuel-air mix when on tickover. Failure to put added fuel into the engine on pull off can result in a stall and dropped bike. Eco-mode or an indicator for the same may be a little pointless, but bikes of over 100 BHP can benefit from the mode when slow riding, like in lower limits. I will use mode 4 on my 2022 Tracer 9 if I am in a 30 MPH limit for extended periods [doesn't happen often] as it slows the throttle response. It's not a true eco mode though and seems to be a little less fuel efficient than 'full' power. Now I wants me a brake cooler...for my Himalayan 411! I would look so cool and fast as I funneled the dust, mud and grit when I ride off-road straight onto my brake pads and pistons requiring brake rebuilds with new pads and disks every five minutes - does anyone have a link to someone that sells them? Anyone?
No brake ducts, no HSA (or 3PT, manoeuvring and parking inhibitor) traditional Lean angle indicators only. no winglets, it has the Opposite of an eco mode light. (it comes on at 10000rpm!)
I understand that a texas guy who doesnt know mountains and long downhill exist and is not willing to even rmotely push it downhill wouldnt see the vaule in brake ducts.
Your bike already has an outside air sensor so the ECM can adjust fuel and air accordingly. They might as well give you a read out of it and let you decide if you want to use it or not.
Suzuki's auto throttle (which also functions as hill assist) is pretty sweet on hills and stop and go traffic. I do find myself stalling my Yamaha a bit more these days because I did learn bad habits, but I'll still take the auto throttle. Interestingly, when I do stall my bike I stall it smoothly instead of with a jerk.
I wish I had an ambient air temp indicator, it would save me from looking at my phone. Got a good laugh while talking about lean angle, watching you slide off the seat and hang out a knee while doing 40mph on a 40mph turn. I know you’re a track guy, but seeing guys do this unnecessarily makes me laugh. We’ve all done it for whatever reason, but still.
You want that ambient temp gauge when you're riding through the mountains early in the morning! Temperature shifts can really catch you off guard. Bad juju 😗
For a liter bike, I could see an Eco indicator being a little silly. For something that you're going to take on a long distance where MPG can matter, Eco indicators can be a crutch. On my bike, I've seen the mileage cut in half between riding what is considered Eco and constantly pushing the RPM's in lower gears. It's the difference between going 250 miles or 140 miles between fill-ups... over long distances that can give you a ton of flexibility To be fair, you can actually be riding in Eco territory at reeeeally high speeds and relatively high RPMs, and once you get a feel for your bike you know how to stretch the mileage and the Eco indicator becomes useless. It's like the flashing RPM indicator on some Kawasaki bikes: you can use it to get yourself a feel for certain limits on your bike, but once you get the feel the function becomes unnecessary.
I don't know I'll have to disagree with at least the temperature gauge. I like having that in a car or on my bike. Yes you check the weather before you ride. But it's nice to know to look at to know what gear you're using works or doesn't. You could look at the weather before you go but drive to somewhere that's completely different. It's the same as the annoyance of the time and temperature is no longer on business signs. Yes this information is everywhere but it was nice to drive by and just look up and see it on a marquee
Yam I like this stuff it’s looks cool and and makes the bike feel better every once in a while while your right probably not going to use this stuff but Martin has it on his bike and it looks cool so I say let it be talking about the winglets and brake ducts by the way
If you’ve ever been on track (I know you have), and lose braking because of fade you’ll be thankful you had ducts. I’ve auto racing for 18yrs, I’ve seen more than my share of people that experience brake fade and the results are not good. Asked my coach one day while testing, why does Andy Lally always tap his brakes before the brake zone? He said Andy lost brakes (broken duct) once and now taps the pedal prior to every heavy BZ.
I ride a 2006 triumph Tiger it has nothing extra it’s just me and the throttle and my skills no aids no nanny’s and it’s the most fun I’ve ever had in the decade I’ve been riding. I’ve done a few basic upgrades to make it suitable for my weight and skill level but nothing electronic added except headed grips and a proper tune. It’s better than any new bike I’ve ridden and I certainly don’t miss anything from any of the several dozen other bikes I’ve ridden with the sole exception of cruise control
If you're looking at your dash when you're leaning hard into a corner, you're probably doing something wrong. I'd like an ambient temp gauge on my bike though. Sometimes it's just nice to know.
If you take the cost of aftermarket winglets, carbon fiber front fenders and brake ducts, you could buy or at least come quite close to buying proper quality tyres, a suspension service, or aftermarket brake pads/discs. All of which are MUCH better upgrades to your bike.
I find myself checking the ambient temperature gauge a lot. It’s not essential but it’s good info. I’m a traditionalist- I would put automatic transmissions on my list of useless features. They eliminate the great joy of choosing to ride a motorcycle. That’s just me. I know there’s the few riders with disabilities that might benefit- and for them I’m happy auto transmission exists. But it will make motorcycling a lot sadder if it becomes standard
My Concours 14 has the ambient temperature gauge and I wish it didn't, just takes up space on my dash. It also has the Eco indicator, which I've seen come on while cruissing at 130 MPH, so I dont trust it to be accurate.
My bike has an ambient temp gauge option in the display. It automatically is selected and unable to change when the temp drops to 34° or lower. This serves to tell us icy roads are possible.
Ambient temp sensors is a great feature. It helps me know if I should wrap up a cold or hot ride or keep going. Compass idea is dumb, I agree with you on eco…complete waste.
I find knowing the temperature handy. but a Compass I agree, especially if you don't know what time it is and can't judge the direction based on where the sun is... If only there was a device that could tell you the time! Sarcasm over. a Barometer could be handy. it may be affected by altitude, but it's about seeing a drop in pressure and knowing bad weather is on the way before you feel or see it (when it's too late) Old school tech is the best, and I don't mean from the 90's... nope I'm talking from twice as far back. with no electronics other than short wave radios. Lean angle AKA inclinometer is very useful in a 4WD. but bikes don't need an electronic display of one... they already have a hard mounted one that shows the bikes angle against the horizon... it's called the handle bars! you know what hill start assist does? it makes it impossible to turn a bike around when you have to so a 3 to 300 point turn in the middle of a trail! (it's the same as an electronic handbrake when you need to slightly alter the position of a car when putting it on a hoist to work on it, or even just do the roll back to get a reading on the wheel alignment machine!)
You will never understand the importance of airducts majorly because you do short distance rides. Some of us do very long distance rides in a very hot environment with lots of brakes on the highway. You don't want any brake fades. Those airduct focuses the air thus even making it abit. For winglet, yeah, that one i can agree, not soo many will use, but air duct, that 50% majority will be of help to them
I'm whit you Yammi👍🏻 most of what you said. I also think of 1 other thing, clock for what gear your in? I'm sceptic, if you don't know what gear your in don't drive. Maybe it's just me?😅
I would love to have a lean angle on my bike. Not everyone wants to push it to the max. Sometimes I have thought I was leaning trying to get over my fear.Having a lean angle along with knowing the lean tolerance of my bike might help me get over my fear knowing the bike can do a bit more. Not that I want to brag but incrementally get better. This can help with taking curves better my being willing to lean bit more. Not to push it to the max.
I totally agree with winglets and brake ducts being useless and surely something pushed on the engineering team by the design team. Another feature that I hate to find on a motorcycle is adaptative cruise control. Cruise control is nice if you are doing highway for a long time and want to rest your right arm, but adaptative is just stupid and if you need it, maybe you shouldn't ride a bike and stay with a car. Because if you start to rely on technology, you start to be less aware and when that technology fails, you're in deep s***. The compass is a great idea, one that I haven't seen anyone implement yet.
I don't see the point of brake ducts, for those reasons. They aren't a new thing for bikes, but at the time when motorcycles were still running drum brakes, sure it made sense. Same reason you see them on hotrods with drums. If a bike is going to detect lean angle, it doesn't need to show it. If anything, it should just quietly, and humbly just aid in the traction control and ABS, like in Lancer Evo's. If you're trying to make a bike look fast, and look like some futuristic anime hyperbike, then add the brake ducts, wings, etc.
Wiglets are on all race bikes and aero testing has proven their effect to provide down force on front tire. Brake ducts provide cooling by circulating air around them. Again assuming all riders ride as slow as Yammie Noob. Because if you know the temp you know if bike going to overheat or not.
I would love to have an ambient tempereature gauge. Especially if I'm rideing from the low lands to the mountains or if I start very early in the morning when it's still chilly outside before it's getting warmer with the sun comming out. But who the hell needs keyless go features?
One of my 3 bikes has the ambient temp readout on the screen and pretty much the only thing I use it for is out of pointless curiosity of how much the temp changes when going up into the mountains from the valley where I live. As for brake ducts, I didn't even know that was a thing. I have a KLR and 2 baggers though, so I'm not the target audience at all lol.
They put the ambient temp gauge on the dash because it is 100% free. They need the sensor to run the fueling system anyway. It's a feature for free, put it on.
“Here are some features that aren’t necessary for average riders” while describing things in 200hp super bikes…because those are for average riders?? And I think a hill assist feature would be a great thing when you’re on a super heavy bike on a steep hill.
When I did the 60 mile ride home (on a rainy day) after getting my FZ10, I kept seeing this unfamiliar notification at times on the dash that was distracting. I had the TC set to 3 (safest for the rain) and was taking it easy. So I looked into what it was after making the trip, and couldn't believe it has ECO indicator! Why TF do they have that on an FZ10 I thought? BTW, I average around 30MPG, so as you can guess, I didn't buy it to be thrifty. (I rarely see come on now, and usually only when my wife's on the back).
I have to disagree on the ambient temperature gauge. The weather app on my phone can be out by as much as 10 degrees, and having some solid numbers on how cold it actually is outside is useful. If it’s still above the threshold where I can ride for an indefinite amount of time comfortably, but trending down, that information lets me estimate how long I have before I want to be back home. Similarly, if it’s below that threshold, that tells me how long I can ride before I’m uncomfortable, and if it’s well below that it’s just going to suck once I’m moving and I should just try again another day. It wouldn’t be necessary if the forecast was extremely accurate and you could plan around it reliably, but like I said, even the current temperature displayed for my area is unreliable, let alone the temperature in the future.
Hill start assist I can appreciate on heavyweight bikes, grand tourers and the like. Especially if you’re gonna do some serious miles. But if any bike with a wet weight beneath 650 lb or so has it, I’d have questions for the guy selling it.
A slip on pipe is a waste of time and money, but people think they give you more power but it’s only a lot more noise. That gives them the impression of increased power. When a current litre sport bike has 200 horsepower and weighs around 450 pounds, what percentage of that power can you use? A lot less than you like to think. As far as fuel efficiency, a car is far more efficient relative to its weight and aerodynamic drag compared to any motorcycle.
Heres an obscure little pretty much useless feature - the right hand steering lock. Not all bikes but many can lock the steering to the RIGHT too. Bet you've never used that and would never need to
I am an all weather rider in a place similar to Texas and on days that hit the 100's I monitor the ambient temp gauge. On the first day in the 100's the temp is what the weather man said, on the second, the heat is coming off the road. So the weather man said it dropped down to 80 but heat from the road keeps it at 100. It is a hydration thing. Or you can just pussy out and drive your air coned car.
I like my ambient temp reading, the bike wants that signal for fuel mixture, so it's just a bussed signal from the ECU just like engine or oil temp. Give me access to the data on the screen and let me choose what I want to see or log 🙂
I disagree about hill start. I wouldn't have been left with my prophetic leg pinned under a fully loaded 1300 Yammy Venturer tourer, on an off camber mountain side-road junction if I'd had it.
I'm ok with different modes, but I'd prefer if they were more truthful. On my Africa Twin for example, the engine "power" setting is really just a throttle-snatchiness control and that's all it does. At the "low power" settings it just adds some "exponential" to the throttle curve (a lot of rotation => only a little throttle actuation). When you open it all the way up, you're still getting all of it (it's unmistakable, trust me). And the higher "power" settings just make the throttle more snatchy and yanky at lower throttle movement amounts. Or, here's a thought: why not just make the throttle not so snatchy all the time and just do away with the "power" mode?
I wonder the same thing about my Indian Challenger. It has rain/standard/sport modes and the only difference I can really tell is throttle response. There's a noticeable delay between twisting the throttle and feeling the engine RPM increase in standard mode, and it's substantially more noticeable in rain mode - which is fine. But the delay annoys me so my bike just lives permanently in sport mode because I don't want the delay and I'm an experienced enough rider to not grab more throttle than I intend to.
The clock on my bike is useless. It's never the right time and even if I set it correctly, it's off within a week or 2. It's not huge deal to have it off 10 minutes or so, but for an accurate readout I have my phone. Maybe it's because it's old tech and not a newer screen.
I like the ambient temperature gauge. Seeing it creep from 70 down to 50 lets me know I'm not just crazy and that it might be time to park soon.
I have one as well.....its called SKIN....lets me know when it is too bloody hot to ride, or too bloody cold.......and I can dress for the cold......
Ambient temperature is especially handy around the freezing point, for the rest I agree.
could just be like late 90s early 2000s cars and pop up a snowflake when its freezing out. or a little tire with a thermometer next to it to indicate its cold and let your tires warm up first.
i still find these redundant though as when i'm ridding i check the weather before i leave so i know what gear to wear and what to pack along. could be great in the morning but rain in the forecast, so i'll pack my rain suit. or cold in the morning so wear my warm gloves and extra outers, but warm on my way back from work so i should bring along my backpack to stuff it all in later.
maybe its just me but part of riding in the first place is understanding the extra risks and issues that come with it and develop habits and systems to overcome those problems.
The idea of ambient air temp is to know if ice can form on the bridges you're crossing.
Lots of reasons for all-weather riders. You can't just "feel" it accurately, especially after a while.
Since Yammi lives in Texas (hot for most of the year) he doesn't appreciate how knowing the temperature right there in our exact spot is super helpful when you live in a climate that can drastically vary not only through the year but also throughout the day.
Yup! I've been thinking about mounting one for the winter months. Plus, I might have dressed for "cold", and I'd like the option to cut a ride short if it starts dropping into "frozen" - *before* it really starts to get to me.
I ride year round, but have a limit down to about 25° at which my gear isn't as effective in keeping the chill away. Knowing just how cold it is where I'm riding helps with "bragging" about being the crazy guy who's out riding in that weather. LoL.
Y drive when it's icey? Don't drive motorcycle when it's cold outside, to big of danger, in many ways. I've been driving for 36 y. so...
I like the ambient temp gauge.
I came to say this!!
The bike knows the air temp for efi. So why not display it?
Coolant temperature gauge is way more important than ambient temp gauge
I used to know exactly how much to dress because of it back when i used to commute on bike, it was very convinient for me personally. Its already used by the ecu so why not display it. Dudes not the brightest and likely bisexual but whatever we still watch him.
@@GAC8 no way bro
I do like the ambiant temp, on the 765 RS if it drops below 4.5c it will give you surface warning, makes you abit more cautious when dash shows warnings.
Hill start assist is something that make my ride much more accessible and I'm very happy that my bike have it. I'm after right leg amputation so having hsa or really expensive adaptation
Hi Yammie the ambient temperature is actually an essential feature, especially for those who travel from continents that have different temperatures and have to cross them. You can adjust many things according to the ambient temperature and make your trip safer.
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@TaiPassionGP yeap its good to know the temp so you have some idea what your grip will be like if you punch it
Really - no bikes had ambient temperature gushes ten years ago. For most of my time riding bikes there were no electronics at all
@ogofog9120 My 2012 Concours 14 has an ambient temperature sensor and it's more useless than Yammie claims
@Drakelett Not all motorcyclists use their bike just for a highway shot or for hanging out with friends. There's people that do long trips they need to know which gear to wear, if the road will be iced and many other things.
Totally disagree on the ambient temp. I start noticing at what temps my gear works (like gloves and jacket liners, heated gear), and I am more able to know how to dress properly for next rides.
Same here!
Just check the weather app on your phone????
@@wlt3585 The temp changes throughout the ride and I keep noticing at what temp I need to use the heavy gloves versus heated gloves versus light gloves. I personally find it helpful to keep looking at the dash and note what the temp is. To each their own.
Exactly! A texas guy that perhaps rides once a week wouldnt understand.
@@wlt3585 Just display it on the dash its already being used by the ecu anyway and its in real time and more accurate???
As for the OAT, from my days as a pilot, I don't mind having an OAT. It gives you something to do on a long ride. Like, oh, hey, the temp went down 2deg C when I entered the national forest. Now its only 37deg C down from 39! I'm still about to pass out because it's over 130F in my jacket, but hey before I lose consciousness, that's pretty interesting!..
Eco modes are fine, some of us commute on motorcycles and saving money is the name of the game. I also like the ambient temp gauge to let me know just how cautious I need to be in any particular area during fall/winter riding.
for people treats motorcycle as a tool and mode of transportation like in asia, it's useful feature, they don't treat motorcycle as a toy and thrill machine
I appreciate the ambient temperature gauge, as a new rider I was able to pay attention to what gear to wear going into fall.
I live in Sweden, and in the fall and spring, the ambient temperature is critical while riding. Above 5 degrees C, it cant freeze over. But temps can vary a lot... a compass would be VERY useful too.
And regarding brake ducts. Doesn't the mighty Goldwing have that since the 80's?
Maybe.. But a goldwing wheys around 500kgs 😅
I enjoyed the lean angle tracker on the Z H2. How else am I supposed to measure my testicular fortitude after a ride? Not with the avg speed indicator since that maxed at 45mph for some reason.
I like the ambient temp on my bike, I use it literally every time I ride just to see current temp out
I find an ambient temperature display to be a useful feature. The bike already has an ambient temperature sensor which the ECU uses to adjust fuel/air ratio. The bike already has a display. So allowing the ambient temperature to be displayed is just a matter of software. It adds no additional hardware.
Ambient temp sensor is mostly for ecu tho. Its just a bonus that they are showing it on screen.
Explain that to this lady
@kamn1 temp sensor along with preassure sensor is used to evaluate air density, and as a result, proper air/ fuel ratio. And ignition advance.
@@Mikiszub Somewhat wrong answer. Intake air temp (engine air) and Ambient air temp (surrounding environment) are two completely different things. The Intake air temperature sensor (for ECU) on most bike takes the temp reading from inside the preheated air-filter box or manifold and is not ambient air temperature. Ambient air temp gauge is for your safety! It is important to know if it's at or below freezing where you actually are in your surroundings, and not just from somewhere else as reported on the local weather channel.
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That will be true in cars where intake is in engine bay and air will have temp diferent than ambient, but I reckon on bikes its the same sensor
@@Mikiszub The Intake air temp (ECU sensor) for my 300L is up to 50°F+ higher than ambient air temperature after sitting in a hot soak condition. (Like after the 180°F+ engine & exhaust transfers loads of heat into the air-filter box while stationary+idling or after engine shut-down) Going down the road it is around 15-30°F higher than ambient. The IAT sensors temperature reading is far too different from the actual ambient air temperature to use for that function. Sorry, I tried to use it for that function, but it was way more different that I thought. It is correct though first thing in the morning before you start the engine, and then the IAT is good for ambient temperature too. 🙃
A compass would be cool
The Himalayan 411 had one
Just like with cars, the tinkerers and the hotrodders will steer away from new, and the aftermarket will keep expanding. A 20 year old big four will give 90% of the fun, at 20 % of the price.
The eco indicator is useful in a very small set of situations. Like a new rider, on a new bike still figuring the optimal speeds per gear.
Hill start is helpful for letting the bike idle in neutral when on a slight incline. It allows me to take both hands off the controls and accomplish a small and fast task without turning off the bike, putting it in grear, then restarting it just to switch screens on my phone or tighten my helmet strap.
As someone who rides year round, ambient temp is very usefull.
Sometimes i feel cold and swear it is freezing, but it actually is 5C so very little risk of ice. Other times i feel decently warm but it turns out it is actually close to freezing, so i adjust my riding to that.
But it's also just 'nice to know'. I like knowing the temperature and seeing the difference in temperature in places where i ride.
I use the ambient temperature gauge a lot in the winter, because it's frequently hovering around freezing. If it drops from 34 to 30 degrees, I know to keep a watch out for ice. If it's way up at 40 or down below 30 all the time, it's not all that useful since there isn't any FORMING ice.
I find the eco mode on CFMotos useful in bad weather. On most of their models, it just adjusts the throttle input percentage.
Another vote for ambient temperature gauges. I like to check it as I start out to be sure I'm not under- or over-estimating my sense of it coming straight out of my house. Also second the value of a compass when riding in unfamiliar territory, though everyone uses GPS now anyway.
There's a lean angle sensor on my bike and I found it depressing on the street, thinking I wasn't able to lean much when on occasion I would look at it in a turn. However, it has a track timer that records it on the track and was happy to see that I was getting good lean angle on a track day, and that wasn't the main thing holding my lap times back (I just need to open the throttle more apparently).
The ambient temp guage could come in handy on long trips in winter. If you're wearing heated gear and the temp was mild when setting off, you might not realize how much it's dropped. Or you've raised or dropped in elevation and are passing through a vold belt. Would give you a heads-up for black ice. I think Yammie Noob is more used to desert riding.
Brake ducts are basically splatter guards for brake rotors and abs sensors. Ambient temperature sensors are quite useful when temperatures drop to a single digit. Eco mode is again quite useful as a commuter who pays 2.40 euro per litre of 98E5. When you're spending a tenner a gallon, 40 miles isn't that far.
Yeah when you got a blinking gas indicator on the freeway you'll wish you had eco mode
Ambient temp gauge and lean angle readout are not useless. Especially if you’re on the track.
3:45 you can tell the temp accurately by feel but you can't tell your heading?? Temp is a much more useful gauge than a compass (you have one on your phone anyway) when you can simply use the sun and road numbers to tell heading.
I think the hill start is vey useful as is the outside temperature gauge, especially on winter touring rides.
The air temp is useful for people like me who ride 24/7 and don’t use their phone as soon as they wake up. I generally like seeing if it’s under 20°f which means I’ll need to grab the heated gloves over the standard leathers.
I think the next steps for these high end bikes will active aero where the winglets move based on speed and lean angle.
Edit..about ambient temp gauge..its a good thing because fully faired bikes in my expeirce keep a lot of the wind off you so I cant really tell HOW cold it actually is. Guess yam didnt think about the eco mode might be an emissions thing.
My Tusk cooling fan kit, came with an LCD screen that has a coolant temp readout. When the bike is parked. I'd find myself checking it nearly everytime I'm near the bike. Also, when your starting a bike in all different seasons in NW Montana. It's good to know the temperature. This will determine what viscosity of oil you'll need. 5w40,10w40,10w50, 15w50. I run them all for different applications. Peace!
The cosmetic stuff is pretty funny to see. A lot of what manufacturers are adding to their bikes, are just things people buy and install when spending too much time on Aliexpress. And to make it even funnier, you don’t need justification. They already explain for you 😂
Regarding ambient temp , when you start riding early in spring it might be +10C out there but once you ride it might drop to 4 or even 2 in some forest areas where sun is not so intensive due to forest and stuff , that why ambient temp gauge is very handy , you might drop some speed off if you see temp dropping and prepare for ice or smth.
The ambient temperature gauge reminds me that when the weather app says 50 degrees it was bloody cold when the temp gauge said that last time and I should add a layer or two this time. It also confirms that it is actually cold, or bloody hot - I can say it was 110 degrees on my way home, and that’s…. information.
Also, right, no one needs CF huggers or fenders, but they look cool - brake ducts just don’t.
I haven’t been this early in awhile, what’s up yam hope you had a good holidays
I see a use for the lean angle reading for novice riders. I'm not very confident at cornering my 275kg ZX-11 beast, but if I could see my leaning schematicly it aids in gaining confidence when I know how far (on the graph) I can lean in safely.
Yammy is wrong about the ambient temperature gauge! On long trips, I carry additional layers in my panniers and add and subtract layers based on changing conditions. In the mountains, the temperature changes dramatically depending on altitude, sunlight, precipitation, and other factors. When the temperature starts dropping, I layer up before I get cold because once you are cold on a motorcycle, you're miserable.
I think you may be missing the point a bit for three of these, the temp gauge, lean angle and hill assist. All are byproducts of either the "need" for ABS and traction control or to meet emissions regs. To start with the lean angle - this is used by the computer for various electronic saving of the rider who has bought a 200+ BHP bike but can't handle it. They will be saved by the electrickery, so why not have a display to show their heroism? Of course battered hero blobs or knee sliders are better. The temperature gauge is used in the fuel injection calculations, so again, why not have a display for it? The hill start assist has been around on cars for people that can't drive but on bikes as 'stall assist' due to the leaning off of the fuel-air mix when on tickover. Failure to put added fuel into the engine on pull off can result in a stall and dropped bike.
Eco-mode or an indicator for the same may be a little pointless, but bikes of over 100 BHP can benefit from the mode when slow riding, like in lower limits. I will use mode 4 on my 2022 Tracer 9 if I am in a 30 MPH limit for extended periods [doesn't happen often] as it slows the throttle response. It's not a true eco mode though and seems to be a little less fuel efficient than 'full' power.
Now I wants me a brake cooler...for my Himalayan 411! I would look so cool and fast as I funneled the dust, mud and grit when I ride off-road straight onto my brake pads and pistons requiring brake rebuilds with new pads and disks every five minutes - does anyone have a link to someone that sells them? Anyone?
No brake ducts, no HSA (or 3PT, manoeuvring and parking inhibitor) traditional Lean angle indicators only. no winglets, it has the Opposite of an eco mode light. (it comes on at 10000rpm!)
I understand that a texas guy who doesnt know mountains and long downhill exist and is not willing to even rmotely push it downhill wouldnt see the vaule in brake ducts.
Your bike already has an outside air sensor so the ECM can adjust fuel and air accordingly. They might as well give you a read out of it and let you decide if you want to use it or not.
I think hill start assist is a good feature for people like yammie honestly
Suzuki's auto throttle (which also functions as hill assist) is pretty sweet on hills and stop and go traffic. I do find myself stalling my Yamaha a bit more these days because I did learn bad habits, but I'll still take the auto throttle. Interestingly, when I do stall my bike I stall it smoothly instead of with a jerk.
I wish I had an ambient air temp indicator, it would save me from looking at my phone.
Got a good laugh while talking about lean angle, watching you slide off the seat and hang out a knee while doing 40mph on a 40mph turn. I know you’re a track guy, but seeing guys do this unnecessarily makes me laugh. We’ve all done it for whatever reason, but still.
You want that ambient temp gauge when you're riding through the mountains early in the morning! Temperature shifts can really catch you off guard. Bad juju 😗
For a liter bike, I could see an Eco indicator being a little silly. For something that you're going to take on a long distance where MPG can matter, Eco indicators can be a crutch. On my bike, I've seen the mileage cut in half between riding what is considered Eco and constantly pushing the RPM's in lower gears. It's the difference between going 250 miles or 140 miles between fill-ups... over long distances that can give you a ton of flexibility To be fair, you can actually be riding in Eco territory at reeeeally high speeds and relatively high RPMs, and once you get a feel for your bike you know how to stretch the mileage and the Eco indicator becomes useless. It's like the flashing RPM indicator on some Kawasaki bikes: you can use it to get yourself a feel for certain limits on your bike, but once you get the feel the function becomes unnecessary.
I don't know I'll have to disagree with at least the temperature gauge. I like having that in a car or on my bike. Yes you check the weather before you ride. But it's nice to know to look at to know what gear you're using works or doesn't. You could look at the weather before you go but drive to somewhere that's completely different. It's the same as the annoyance of the time and temperature is no longer on business signs. Yes this information is everywhere but it was nice to drive by and just look up and see it on a marquee
Yam I like this stuff it’s looks cool and and makes the bike feel better every once in a while while your right probably not going to use this stuff but Martin has it on his bike and it looks cool so I say let it be talking about the winglets and brake ducts by the way
If you’ve ever been on track (I know you have), and lose braking because of fade you’ll be thankful you had ducts. I’ve auto racing for 18yrs, I’ve seen more than my share of people that experience brake fade and the results are not good. Asked my coach one day while testing, why does Andy Lally always tap his brakes before the brake zone? He said Andy lost brakes (broken duct) once and now taps the pedal prior to every heavy BZ.
I ride a 2006 triumph Tiger it has nothing extra it’s just me and the throttle and my skills no aids no nanny’s and it’s the most fun I’ve ever had in the decade I’ve been riding. I’ve done a few basic upgrades to make it suitable for my weight and skill level but nothing electronic added except headed grips and a proper tune. It’s better than any new bike I’ve ridden and I certainly don’t miss anything from any of the several dozen other bikes I’ve ridden with the sole exception of cruise control
If you're looking at your dash when you're leaning hard into a corner, you're probably doing something wrong.
I'd like an ambient temp gauge on my bike though. Sometimes it's just nice to know.
If you take the cost of aftermarket winglets, carbon fiber front fenders and brake ducts, you could buy or at least come quite close to buying proper quality tyres, a suspension service, or aftermarket brake pads/discs. All of which are MUCH better upgrades to your bike.
I find myself checking the ambient temperature gauge a lot. It’s not essential but it’s good info.
I’m a traditionalist- I would put automatic transmissions on my list of useless features. They eliminate the great joy of choosing to ride a motorcycle. That’s just me. I know there’s the few riders with disabilities that might benefit- and for them I’m happy auto transmission exists. But it will make motorcycling a lot sadder if it becomes standard
My Concours 14 has the ambient temperature gauge and I wish it didn't, just takes up space on my dash. It also has the Eco indicator, which I've seen come on while cruissing at 130 MPH, so I dont trust it to be accurate.
My bike has an ambient temp gauge option in the display. It automatically is selected and unable to change when the temp drops to 34° or lower. This serves to tell us icy roads are possible.
Brake ducts help disperse brake dust from pads which is a good thing it's not there just to cool.
Ambient temp sensors is a great feature. It helps me know if I should wrap up a cold or hot ride or keep going. Compass idea is dumb, I agree with you on eco…complete waste.
I find knowing the temperature handy. but a Compass I agree, especially if you don't know what time it is and can't judge the direction based on where the sun is... If only there was a device that could tell you the time!
Sarcasm over. a Barometer could be handy. it may be affected by altitude, but it's about seeing a drop in pressure and knowing bad weather is on the way before you feel or see it (when it's too late)
Old school tech is the best, and I don't mean from the 90's... nope I'm talking from twice as far back. with no electronics other than short wave radios.
Lean angle AKA inclinometer is very useful in a 4WD. but bikes don't need an electronic display of one... they already have a hard mounted one that shows the bikes angle against the horizon... it's called the handle bars!
you know what hill start assist does? it makes it impossible to turn a bike around when you have to so a 3 to 300 point turn in the middle of a trail! (it's the same as an electronic handbrake when you need to slightly alter the position of a car when putting it on a hoist to work on it, or even just do the roll back to get a reading on the wheel alignment machine!)
You will never understand the importance of airducts majorly because you do short distance rides. Some of us do very long distance rides in a very hot environment with lots of brakes on the highway. You don't want any brake fades. Those airduct focuses the air thus even making it abit. For winglet, yeah, that one i can agree, not soo many will use, but air duct, that 50% majority will be of help to them
I'm whit you Yammi👍🏻 most of what you said. I also think of 1 other thing, clock for what gear your in? I'm sceptic, if you don't know what gear your in don't drive.
Maybe it's just me?😅
Totally agree on hill start. I don't even like it on a car with a manual transmission.
I would love to have a lean angle on my bike. Not everyone wants to push it to the max. Sometimes I have thought I was leaning trying to get over my fear.Having a lean angle along with knowing the lean tolerance of my bike might help me get over my fear knowing the bike can do a bit more. Not that I want to brag but incrementally get better. This can help with taking curves better my being willing to lean bit more. Not to push it to the max.
I totally agree with winglets and brake ducts being useless and surely something pushed on the engineering team by the design team. Another feature that I hate to find on a motorcycle is adaptative cruise control. Cruise control is nice if you are doing highway for a long time and want to rest your right arm, but adaptative is just stupid and if you need it, maybe you shouldn't ride a bike and stay with a car. Because if you start to rely on technology, you start to be less aware and when that technology fails, you're in deep s***. The compass is a great idea, one that I haven't seen anyone implement yet.
The Indian equivalent of the g310rr, the tvs Rr310 now has winglets. A 38hp single cylinder bike with winglets.
holy molly
I don't see the point of brake ducts, for those reasons. They aren't a new thing for bikes, but at the time when motorcycles were still running drum brakes, sure it made sense. Same reason you see them on hotrods with drums.
If a bike is going to detect lean angle, it doesn't need to show it. If anything, it should just quietly, and humbly just aid in the traction control and ABS, like in Lancer Evo's.
If you're trying to make a bike look fast, and look like some futuristic anime hyperbike, then add the brake ducts, wings, etc.
Wiglets are on all race bikes and aero testing has proven their effect to provide down force on front tire. Brake ducts provide cooling by circulating air around them. Again assuming all riders ride as slow as Yammie Noob. Because if you know the temp you know if bike going to overheat or not.
winter riding in the UK the ambient temp is good to know as conditions change with regions from wet to icy
@3:33 Actually that's an engine temp on a Honda dash. I understand SI unit confused you ;)
hahahhhaah good catch
ummm....how about adding fans to oil coolers? like on all the HD"s out there with oil coolers? the Katana had it why don't you?
I would love to have an ambient tempereature gauge. Especially if I'm rideing from the low lands to the mountains or if I start very early in the morning when it's still chilly outside before it's getting warmer with the sun comming out. But who the hell needs keyless go features?
One of my 3 bikes has the ambient temp readout on the screen and pretty much the only thing I use it for is out of pointless curiosity of how much the temp changes when going up into the mountains from the valley where I live. As for brake ducts, I didn't even know that was a thing. I have a KLR and 2 baggers though, so I'm not the target audience at all lol.
They put the ambient temp gauge on the dash because it is 100% free. They need the sensor to run the fueling system anyway. It's a feature for free, put it on.
“Here are some features that aren’t necessary for average riders” while describing things in 200hp super bikes…because those are for average riders?? And I think a hill assist feature would be a great thing when you’re on a super heavy bike on a steep hill.
ambient temp is pretty helpful if you're traveling with liquids like water or horse urine.
The give away bike still looks like an angry hornet......and I still like it.
When I did the 60 mile ride home (on a rainy day) after getting my FZ10, I kept seeing this unfamiliar notification at times on the dash that was distracting. I had the TC set to 3 (safest for the rain) and was taking it easy.
So I looked into what it was after making the trip, and couldn't believe it has ECO indicator! Why TF do they have that on an FZ10 I thought?
BTW, I average around 30MPG, so as you can guess, I didn't buy it to be thrifty. (I rarely see come on now, and usually only when my wife's on the back).
Eco mode is realistically kinda like a "rain" mode but spelled differently.
I need to get a brake duct for my TW200 (only one disc rotor). That got to be worth some previously lost hp's.
I have to disagree on the ambient temperature gauge. The weather app on my phone can be out by as much as 10 degrees, and having some solid numbers on how cold it actually is outside is useful. If it’s still above the threshold where I can ride for an indefinite amount of time comfortably, but trending down, that information lets me estimate how long I have before I want to be back home. Similarly, if it’s below that threshold, that tells me how long I can ride before I’m uncomfortable, and if it’s well below that it’s just going to suck once I’m moving and I should just try again another day. It wouldn’t be necessary if the forecast was extremely accurate and you could plan around it reliably, but like I said, even the current temperature displayed for my area is unreliable, let alone the temperature in the future.
Hill Climbing assist…I saw 1st Hand how older riders get the benefits on their big Goldwing. So its a niche but glad they have it
Hill start assist I can appreciate on heavyweight bikes, grand tourers and the like. Especially if you’re gonna do some serious miles.
But if any bike with a wet weight beneath 650 lb or so has it, I’d have questions for the guy selling it.
I bought a 2025 Himalayan 450 and it has ambient temp and ECO mode. I kind of like that it has those.
A slip on pipe is a waste of time and money, but people think they give you more power but it’s only a lot more noise. That gives them the impression of increased power.
When a current litre sport bike has 200 horsepower and weighs around 450 pounds, what percentage of that power can you use? A lot less than you like to think.
As far as fuel efficiency, a car is far more efficient relative to its weight and aerodynamic drag compared to any motorcycle.
Heres an obscure little pretty much useless feature - the right hand steering lock. Not all bikes but many can lock the steering to the RIGHT too. Bet you've never used that and would never need to
Hey! I use the Eco indicator all the time.. If it´s back on the screen i just have to drop a gear and get in to it
I only use eco mode when I'm not sure I can make it to the gas station. that being said I try to never go under a quarter tank so it's not used much.
Hear me out... winglets on brake ducts. I rest my case.
I am an all weather rider in a place similar to Texas and on days that hit the 100's I monitor the ambient temp gauge. On the first day in the 100's the temp is what the weather man said, on the second, the heat is coming off the road. So the weather man said it dropped down to 80 but heat from the road keeps it at 100. It is a hydration thing. Or you can just pussy out and drive your air coned car.
11:55 into the video, i realized why i subscribed
I like my ambient temp reading, the bike wants that signal for fuel mixture, so it's just a bussed signal from the ECU just like engine or oil temp. Give me access to the data on the screen and let me choose what I want to see or log 🙂
I disagree about hill start. I wouldn't have been left with my prophetic leg pinned under a fully loaded 1300 Yammy Venturer tourer, on an off camber mountain side-road junction if I'd had it.
I'm ok with different modes, but I'd prefer if they were more truthful. On my Africa Twin for example, the engine "power" setting is really just a throttle-snatchiness control and that's all it does. At the "low power" settings it just adds some "exponential" to the throttle curve (a lot of rotation => only a little throttle actuation). When you open it all the way up, you're still getting all of it (it's unmistakable, trust me). And the higher "power" settings just make the throttle more snatchy and yanky at lower throttle movement amounts. Or, here's a thought: why not just make the throttle not so snatchy all the time and just do away with the "power" mode?
I wonder the same thing about my Indian Challenger. It has rain/standard/sport modes and the only difference I can really tell is throttle response. There's a noticeable delay between twisting the throttle and feeling the engine RPM increase in standard mode, and it's substantially more noticeable in rain mode - which is fine. But the delay annoys me so my bike just lives permanently in sport mode because I don't want the delay and I'm an experienced enough rider to not grab more throttle than I intend to.
Yamm is gonna show us his Grom... with brake ducts.
The clock on my bike is useless. It's never the right time and even if I set it correctly, it's off within a week or 2. It's not huge deal to have it off 10 minutes or so, but for an accurate readout I have my phone. Maybe it's because it's old tech and not a newer screen.
i think keyless start should be one, not only useless, also unsafe
Oh man the brakes, never woulda used those on a hill
I don't mind the ambient temperature gauge, but I would've rather had a fuel gauge instead 🤷