Fully kitted out with attachments it looks like a great dart SMG. Not sure about the durability of the thing and how well the 3 stage setup will hold up
I would like to have just the shell, but the pusher mec should be included. Doesn’t has to be pre installed, just in the box. I would definitely pick one up, if the tripple stage flywheelcage wasn’t in it. Select fire would also be very cool. And please, do the shell in red, so you could run this as your primary and your Limited Edition hurricane as your secondary. That would be so nice.
Since I'm probably going to end up changing the cage, wheels and motors myself it would be nice if it just came without those components. It would save a bunch of money and the time to remove the existing components. Still super exciting to see this kind of thing available, between Worker and Dart Zone I think our hobby is going in a great direction.
YES! I want just the shell!! I do see platform/shell being something the community can work with and alter to our liking. The blaster with internals isn't something I personally am going to grab just to rip everything out at that price point sadly..
You should do a segment in the video showing hobby grade blaster's internals. I'm interested in what they look like. I have eyes and know it's clear, but in video form I can't see the whole thing. Great review, great video!
I think out of the box ready blasters is important for the growth of the hobby. Look at other skirmish sports and you don't have to build it yourself to go play. While the performance doesn't match home made flywheel blasters, it does match say, the Nexus Pro which is another ready to go out of the box blaster.
I think a shell that can be sold but having pre soldered cage, motor, switch. And pusher and dial. You would buy the kit and install it on a shell. You would buy a battery later. There maybe could be different kits with different motor combos with 1 stage and 2 stage and different battery connectors of that is applicable. I think that could be cool. A diy-ish blaster that allows people to build it while not soldering things. It could save people money from customization of motors and shells.
That intro music was fitting for a space launch! I also love how you put your logo on the dart when it came out, I had to rewind to see what it was. The shell design is a little odd and I think it may need a proper overhaul if I were to run it. Selling just the shells would be a good idea as modders will be able to put wherever they want, that fits, in it. I don't think I would buy this blaster but it is a neat concept that I hope will lead to something brilliant. Thanks Luka and Perry, keep up the amazing work! 💙💜🧡
I think you called it with the 3 stage, the pdw/run n gun usage. I would consider it however I feel that at that price point its going be a factor given I own a 3d printer. It's like the Hurricane in that it works out of the box but the selling point is the customisation of it. Personally I'm impressed with the Hurricane and I feel that the phoenix is appealing to modders like the prophecy/swordfish do but just that little bit more accessible. I play in larger outdoor areas and one of the team has one of these I suspect he will make springer guys like me work hard for our tags this Sunday. Great review as usual.
It's so much bigger ( internaly ) than a Stryfe, that I would definately go with just the 'shell '. I would love for you folks to design and offer a range of internals that allow it to be upgraded to say a couple of tiers. ( A, high fps - high rof and select fire and B, usable for HVZ )
I'm gonna hold off for now and see what aftermarket stuff people come up with for it. I dig the style and triple cage setup, but I'd like to see some more oomph from it. If slapping some new motors in is all it takes for a better firerate and fps, I'm all in
Dude! Is that a Nerf Rival Edge Helios with the mythical rival drum Mag, on your wall? I’ve only seen the one photo of that on the internet, does it really exist?
Great video. I think it’s chonky and it’s not really my bag but like you said, more options is best. I really just want a drum blaster with a sealed breach from somebody honestly, I like my drums. Keep up the great work.
I would like to see shells or the shell with the pusher system. I agree, I'm not sold on this one, but I'm considering it for my short dart flywheeler. I'm also waiting to see what flywheelers Dartzone puts out in the Pro lines, assuming that they are going to do that in the future.
Agreed. Worker needs to continue their recent practice of offering both complete blasters/full kits and bare shells that only have the trigger/catch/pusher included. After all, some if us are married and can get away with dropping 30, 40, 50 bucks at a time for Big boy toys but would get a stern Ah hell nah nah if we tried a "Honey, I'm about to drop 150 on a blaster plus another 75 in mod parts for it, OK?"
It does seem to fit the "role" suggested by the form factor, minus the "slow" ROF. It doesn't fire rounds with the same velocity, it doesn't have as much ranged accuracy, but it is fully auto.
I totally get that, especially if you run mostly carbines. But for pistols, angled mags are awesome. Right-angle handles on pistols and through-the-handle SMGs suck for ergonomics, but the alternative is to have some mechanic for straightening the dart as it enters the flywheels. This adds complexity and space if it's present and kills accuracy and/or reliability when it's not. Having the darts enter angled from the word go helps a lot with this
Fast forward to the current part of 2021 and now there are a couple of fairly compelling community-designed pistols, with more certainly to come. I want an Ehdrien Gecko, but to feed it, I am definitely going to need angled talons and the fact that Worker even sells the short angled Talons through Foamblast and OOD is great from both a logistics and durability standpoint. The printed mags for the Gecko, while customizable, are expensive if purchased fully assembled.
I'm not a fan of this thing but can see it'll be super fun to use. I also think it's good worker have gone for a "realsteel" look but it's still obiously a "toy" with "reelsteel" influences. I know a lot of people are a little worried about the gel blaster companies that are moving to foam blasters doing shells that are too realistic and causing legal problems. I hope that they go the same way as worker with more "syfy", slightly chunky, cartoony look rather than a fully realistic firearm look.
Looks cool and I personally like the fully assembled option for all blasters like this. I do agree the performance needs to be ~200 FPS for the 6 motors to not look like fake bimbo brakes on a stock standard mustang.
As someone who just recently got into nerf and doesn’t wanna put the extra time and money into the spectrum l definitely have my eyes on the Worker Phoenix
love the honesty!1 - i wish it was cheaper so we could grab one up just for fun - by the time you buy angle clips ,ammo and (battery too right?) its actually a $200 project to really make it a working option for battle :/
Hey brother. Great job on the video. As for me, I would definitely want the new pusher this BadBoy comes with. Also a Scar Barrel or a Merlin Barrel. A single stage is great for me. The option of a dual stage even better. They definitely have us a lot to work with, outta box.
I agree it is a game changer... mabe Dartzone will make a MK3 that's a flywheeler with simular performance and less motors! Lol... Also I am hoping that Worker will make just a shell option soon. I'd like to mabe have a faster firing motor and may say 2 stage daybreak set up vs the 3 stage mini wheels. So building it myself with hopefully soon to be created OOD printed upgrades would be awsome!!
pretty good blaster in my opinion but what kind of ruins it is the angled magazine. I wouldn't buy a lot of new magazines just for one blaster in specific, but besides that, its pretty good blaster!
Hi great content. Version 2 or a new similar blaster could have the battery housed in the stock. Use a single stage with larger flywheels like you suggested. Selling the shell only would be great for DIY definitely.
It’s interesting, they could have done so much more. I think that if they had cut the fat and trimmed down all the dead space to really take advantage of the smaller wheels, then it would have really competed with Stryfe builds of a similar caliber.
I would rather have the shell come with the full auto part and the pwm (without flywheels, motors and cage) and be compatible with a stryfe/rapidstrike cage geometry (And maybe a double full size flywheel setup)
Yes, it's hitting around 150fps, which is pretty good for a ready to go blaster, but the question is, does worker want something hitting harder than that pre-built? If you build a 200fps+ blaster with their parts and hurt someone, that's you, but with their pre-built blaster, they could be sued.
I love the design in terms of form factor. Sucks that it needs yet another set of mags. I would be happy if it was just single stage with a higher crush. At least setup to use worker cages that are all ready on the market. Looks like plenty of space to have more options. They could have sold preassembled and kit forms.
I hadn’t even thought about just the shell, but I’d be super interested in that if it was $50 or less. Would let me get a 2 stage daybreak cage in there and make some really fun stuff happen!
that is for sure a rival edge helios, the blaster we never got. the drum mag me never got. Please luke, tell us why. 10:37 bottom left above the Ultr* blaster
This blaster is actually perfect for someone like me, I don’t mod so I have to buy a blaster built and it’s not to high of an FPS (I don’t like really high FPS blasters). But I mainly want this because I can buy attachments to make it look like a halo 3 smg and halo 3 ODST silenced smg
I've not read into the deep lore on the motors, wheels and cage geometry of this blaster, but I have a theory from what little I can see from here. Obviously, the image of a big honkin' 3-stage is a big part of it. But also, using three stages with low crush probably made it a lot easier to get cheap motors and wheels to a "higher" FPS. Less crush means less stress on the system, which means lower torque motors and looser tolerances on the FWs. Also, with three stages stacked up, even bargain-bin motors can get up to a decent FPS. And, again with that low crush, low torque motors don't sag when they're shooting at a higher ROF. And from my standpoint, it's actually a great modding decision; a savy modder can just pull out the third stage and replace one or two of the remainder with better kit, then fill the gap with more barrel. Overall, I'm not sure it's worth $150, even assembled as it is (though that does sweeten the pot a lot.) But it looks like an awesome platform to start with that gives the modder a very high ceiling to shoot for.
The performance is disappointing for it being three stage. However for me personally the biggest failings are the angled mags (when I already have many straight mags), and the mag release being right-handed.
Since the cage is pretty tame crush I don't think they are going 3 stages for high FPS. There are bunch of chinese multistage Uzi sized blasters like this coming out recently I've been noticing.
I was going to preorder on Amazon but since you guys are going to carry it I will wait till I can buy from you When do you think they will be in stock?
Its a nice product, but a little late, in the way that there is already a UZI looking blaster out there, the Woozi, which i'd rather get instead of the Phoenix.
I’m stuck between this and the modded 175 FPS Spectrum. The fact that this shoots half darts is a plus, but I don’t like the idea of buying totally new mags
As a layman who doesn't know how to rewire blasters, I think this missed the mark for a few reasons. I don't want to buy a blaster with so many parts (triple stage) that could fail. With no personal ability to replace them myself and Worker being overseas, what happens when one of those motors fails? I'll stick to products by OOD and other US designers that can provide support to those of us that aren't electronic wizards.
Honestly the 3-stage confuses me a lot with this. I understand in terms of passing safety regulations and so on it would probably be a bad idea to ship it at higher velocities, and I understand worker would want people to know it can easily take 3 stages. However I can't help but feel they'd have been better off making it one-stage at close to 150fps and offering 2-stage and 3-stage kits for it from day one. That fire rate is also pretty subpar ngl, esp with it being adjustable
Okay, I’ve been giving this a lot of thought, and now I have probably overthought it. Here it goes. After watching this video I think the Phoenix is marketed and designed very poorly. The $149 price is very well balanced for the amount of tech/performance your getting, but the blaster doesn’t hit any of the major marks in the hobby. Firstly, it is underperforming for a multistage flywheeler. It should be hitting 200FPS easily with 3 sets of wheels. Therefore a performance based Nerfer will need to rip it apart and redo the internals. Making it a $149 shell - no good Secondly, out of the box it is averaging 150FPS which is above the cap limits for HvZ players. Therefore an HvZ Nerfer will need to rip it apart and redo the internals - not good Lastly it is so I accurate that if you take it to a club war you will either get sniped by a more accurate springer or mag dumped by someone with a more tunes up Flywheeler So for me this is a real miss for Worker. They didn’t hear their product towards a specific demographic and landed in the middle. Anyone that has ever done high end sales will tell you - never aim for the middle, always try and over-perform. The only way for Worker to make this right for the two largest communities is to sell it is parts - Shell, Pusher, flywheels Sorry for the long ramble. Like I said I might have overthought this one
Well thought out! Let's hope that shells are an option at a lower price point. The Brick-with-a-Grip has plenty of room for mods if we could only have the shells... - Perry
Just a follow-up - did you guys end up dropping in a new pusher motor? If so, how did it go? I'm thinking of picking one of these up and dropping a Rhino 130 in place of the pusher, hoping to get that top fire rate up around 15 darts a second. For an 'out of the box' blaster that max fire rate definitely needs improvement
Marketing Gimmick I suspect that they aren't even varying the speed/crush between each stage to take advantage of increasing momentum as the dart goes through each one...
Now that you've had a closer look, what do you think? Does the Phoenix have potential?
Fully kitted out with attachments it looks like a great dart SMG. Not sure about the durability of the thing and how well the 3 stage setup will hold up
I feel it would have been better with just the shell or at least one stage
If you want something modded but want to still play with siblings who think accidentally bumping into them = 28 stab wounds I think it would be good
I think some of us want a 3D printed shell of a brick
Only if you mod it... at that point it might be more fun and cheaper to make something else
I would like to have just the shell, but the pusher mec should be included. Doesn’t has to be pre installed, just in the box. I would definitely pick one up, if the tripple stage flywheelcage wasn’t in it. Select fire would also be very cool. And please, do the shell in red, so you could run this as your primary and your Limited Edition hurricane as your secondary. That would be so nice.
An LE Phoenix would be cool! - Perry
I agree I just want the shell so I can pick my number of stages
Ohhhh if the stryfe select fire kit would fit in there, that would be cool...
Good on WORKER for releasing this blaster; hopefully they'll take the feedback into account and create more blasters in the future!
Hi legitbread I just found out you had a subreddit and I instantly joined
A transparent blue shell would be sweet.
or a smoky black
or solid color of some sort
@@simonsaldana9024 I think sticking with the clear shells makes them way easier to export
Since I'm probably going to end up changing the cage, wheels and motors myself it would be nice if it just came without those components. It would save a bunch of money and the time to remove the existing components. Still super exciting to see this kind of thing available, between Worker and Dart Zone I think our hobby is going in a great direction.
YES! I want just the shell!! I do see platform/shell being something the community can work with and alter to our liking. The blaster with internals isn't something I personally am going to grab just to rip everything out at that price point sadly..
Always nice to see a shoutout to Thanh. Love that guy.
The first ever in the world of darts
You should do a segment in the video showing hobby grade blaster's internals. I'm interested in what they look like. I have eyes and know it's clear, but in video form I can't see the whole thing. Great review, great video!
Noted! - Perry
Same
I think out of the box ready blasters is important for the growth of the hobby. Look at other skirmish sports and you don't have to build it yourself to go play. While the performance doesn't match home made flywheel blasters, it does match say, the Nexus Pro which is another ready to go out of the box blaster.
That's exactly why I purchased one, it was on sale and I'm just starting in the hobby
I think a shell that can be sold but having pre soldered cage, motor, switch. And pusher and dial. You would buy the kit and install it on a shell. You would buy a battery later. There maybe could be different kits with different motor combos with 1 stage and 2 stage and different battery connectors of that is applicable. I think that could be cool. A diy-ish blaster that allows people to build it while not soldering things. It could save people money from customization of motors and shells.
That intro music was fitting for a space launch! I also love how you put your logo on the dart when it came out, I had to rewind to see what it was. The shell design is a little odd and I think it may need a proper overhaul if I were to run it. Selling just the shells would be a good idea as modders will be able to put wherever they want, that fits, in it. I don't think I would buy this blaster but it is a neat concept that I hope will lead to something brilliant. Thanks Luka and Perry, keep up the amazing work! 💙💜🧡
I think you called it with the 3 stage, the pdw/run n gun usage. I would consider it however I feel that at that price point its going be a factor given I own a 3d printer. It's like the Hurricane in that it works out of the box but the selling point is the customisation of it. Personally I'm impressed with the Hurricane and I feel that the phoenix is appealing to modders like the prophecy/swordfish do but just that little bit more accessible. I play in larger outdoor areas and one of the team has one of these I suspect he will make springer guys like me work hard for our tags this Sunday. Great review as usual.
Absolutely a good solid and interesting shell for a better single or dual stage setup. Thanks for the review Luke!
PLZZZ try the spring thunder and breaking wind! Good content and love the book!
looks like time to make this a dual stage micro wheel build instead
I had to slow down the video and make sure, but yep. He fired the OoD logo. I popped on that!
I'm glad you noticed! - Perry
Aha! So I wasn’t the only one who saw that! I thought I was going mad lol.
Well, I mean... He was
It's so much bigger ( internaly ) than a Stryfe, that I would definately go with just the 'shell '. I would love for you folks to design and offer a range of internals that allow it to be upgraded to say a couple of tiers. ( A, high fps - high rof and select fire and B, usable for HVZ )
Thoroughly enjoyed that intro
You nailed that review. It needs to shoot harder or faster to really be a top blaster. But for those starting out, it’s a good intro to the hobby
Overall it's a great addition to the hobby
I'm gonna hold off for now and see what aftermarket stuff people come up with for it. I dig the style and triple cage setup, but I'd like to see some more oomph from it. If slapping some new motors in is all it takes for a better firerate and fps, I'm all in
Probably would buy, but then I have to buy angled mags. Plus I'm saving up for a proton pack.
I definitely would be interested in just the shell and then 3D printing and purchasing separate parts.
Dude! Is that a Nerf Rival Edge Helios with the mythical rival drum Mag, on your wall? I’ve only seen the one photo of that on the internet, does it really exist?
Where on the wall?
WAIT I SEE IT
I would love a shell with the pusher mech and pwm, and a dual stage daybreak cage for it. Select fire would be amazing! I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
Great video. I think it’s chonky and it’s not really my bag but like you said, more options is best. I really just want a drum blaster with a sealed breach from somebody honestly, I like my drums. Keep up the great work.
I would like the shell sold separately, as well as the PWM board and pusher system as a kit I can pick up to test out.
I think they would've had to hit 200fps out of the box to win with this.
But to get something like this from a third party custom builder would probably be closer to $300+
@@DBZSeanzie I still feel that would've been better than this.
@@xelasoccer of course a lot of things out there are better, just know you’re going to be paying a lot more
Really love your work in the hobby can't wait to hopefully pick up your book
Thank you very much!
I would like to see shells or the shell with the pusher system. I agree, I'm not sold on this one, but I'm considering it for my short dart flywheeler. I'm also waiting to see what flywheelers Dartzone puts out in the Pro lines, assuming that they are going to do that in the future.
Agreed. Worker needs to continue their recent practice of offering both complete blasters/full kits and bare shells that only have the trigger/catch/pusher included. After all, some if us are married and can get away with dropping 30, 40, 50 bucks at a time for Big boy toys but would get a stern Ah hell nah nah if we tried a "Honey, I'm about to drop 150 on a blaster plus another 75 in mod parts for it, OK?"
It does seem to fit the "role" suggested by the form factor, minus the "slow" ROF. It doesn't fire rounds with the same velocity, it doesn't have as much ranged accuracy, but it is fully auto.
oh yeah, buying just a shell and being able to cage set up would be dope! especially in a limited edition Out of Darts color.
The angled mag kills it for me. Just not interested in buying into another new mag type that, frankly, feels unnecessary
I totally get that, especially if you run mostly carbines. But for pistols, angled mags are awesome. Right-angle handles on pistols and through-the-handle SMGs suck for ergonomics, but the alternative is to have some mechanic for straightening the dart as it enters the flywheels. This adds complexity and space if it's present and kills accuracy and/or reliability when it's not. Having the darts enter angled from the word go helps a lot with this
@@SpencerPaire I think his issue is that almost nothing else uses angled Talons, while most half-dart blasters take Talons.
@@grahamturner2640 Angled talons are compatible with everything that uses an adapter iirc
Fast forward to the current part of 2021 and now there are a couple of fairly compelling community-designed pistols, with more certainly to come. I want an Ehdrien Gecko, but to feed it, I am definitely going to need angled talons and the fact that Worker even sells the short angled Talons through Foamblast and OOD is great from both a logistics and durability standpoint. The printed mags for the Gecko, while customizable, are expensive if purchased fully assembled.
I'm not a fan of this thing but can see it'll be super fun to use. I also think it's good worker have gone for a "realsteel" look but it's still obiously a "toy" with "reelsteel" influences. I know a lot of people are a little worried about the gel blaster companies that are moving to foam blasters doing shells that are too realistic and causing legal problems. I hope that they go the same way as worker with more "syfy", slightly chunky, cartoony look rather than a fully realistic firearm look.
Don't think I'll be picking one up as I don't think I would use it much but I like it and would love to get my hands on some to hydrodip for folks.
The music is just great in the montage
Clear paint job looking great!
Looks cool and I personally like the fully assembled option for all blasters like this. I do agree the performance needs to be ~200 FPS for the 6 motors to not look like fake bimbo brakes on a stock standard mustang.
As someone who just recently got into nerf and doesn’t wanna put the extra time and money into the spectrum l definitely have my eyes on the Worker Phoenix
love the honesty!1 - i wish it was cheaper so we could grab one up just for fun - by the time you buy angle clips ,ammo and (battery too right?) its actually a $200 project to really make it a working option for battle :/
Hey brother. Great job on the video. As for me, I would definitely want the new pusher this BadBoy comes with. Also a Scar Barrel or a Merlin Barrel. A single stage is great for me. The option of a dual stage even better. They definitely have us a lot to work with, outta box.
Love your videos man!! Keep it up!
I agree it is a game changer... mabe Dartzone will make a MK3 that's a flywheeler with simular performance and less motors! Lol... Also I am hoping that Worker will make just a shell option soon. I'd like to mabe have a faster firing motor and may say 2 stage daybreak set up vs the 3 stage mini wheels. So building it myself with hopefully soon to be created OOD printed upgrades would be awsome!!
Lol you definitly got that on point. The Mk3 is a flywheeler
pretty good blaster in my opinion but what kind of ruins it is the angled magazine. I wouldn't buy a lot of new magazines just for one blaster in specific, but besides that, its pretty good blaster!
When is worker gonna make a half length drum mag
tomorrow
Hi great content. Version 2 or a new similar blaster could have the battery housed in the stock. Use a single stage with larger flywheels like you suggested. Selling the shell only would be great for DIY definitely.
Wow look forward to when you guys uograde the motors on this ,looks cool
very good.
Cant wait for people to make sidearms using the angled mags
Great video, I think the Phoenix is pretty cool but I would be interested in a shell to build a select fire backup to my springer DMR
Yes, I want the shell. I thought they were already selling the shell by itself!
If this was $100 as-is, it would be a no-brainer... but because it will require a bit of effort to get it where it should, probably not worth it.
Third party are selling similar things that shoot a little faster for more than twice as much...
It is a game changer but it probably won't take long for others get better at the new game,
It’s interesting, they could have done so much more. I think that if they had cut the fat and trimmed down all the dead space to really take advantage of the smaller wheels, then it would have really competed with Stryfe builds of a similar caliber.
Yay this is gonna be good!
The shell looks cool. I'd even be willing to have just the shell with no internals just to see how well a solenoid pusher feels in this thing.
I would rather have the shell come with the full auto part and the pwm (without flywheels, motors and cage) and be compatible with a stryfe/rapidstrike cage geometry
(And maybe a double full size flywheel setup)
Yes, it's hitting around 150fps, which is pretty good for a ready to go blaster, but the question is, does worker want something hitting harder than that pre-built? If you build a 200fps+ blaster with their parts and hurt someone, that's you, but with their pre-built blaster, they could be sued.
Thank you so much out of darts!!! I have been playing with regular nerf blasters for years! but now im going to mod ! (btw the Phoenix is SICK)
I love the design in terms of form factor. Sucks that it needs yet another set of mags. I would be happy if it was just single stage with a higher crush. At least setup to use worker cages that are all ready on the market. Looks like plenty of space to have more options. They could have sold preassembled and kit forms.
I hadn’t even thought about just the shell, but I’d be super interested in that if it was $50 or less. Would let me get a 2 stage daybreak cage in there and make some really fun stuff happen!
that is for sure a rival edge helios, the blaster we never got. the drum mag me never got. Please luke, tell us why. 10:37 bottom left above the Ultr* blaster
This blaster is actually perfect for someone like me, I don’t mod so I have to buy a blaster built and it’s not to high of an FPS (I don’t like really high FPS blasters). But I mainly want this because I can buy attachments to make it look like a halo 3 smg and halo 3 ODST silenced smg
I've not read into the deep lore on the motors, wheels and cage geometry of this blaster, but I have a theory from what little I can see from here. Obviously, the image of a big honkin' 3-stage is a big part of it. But also, using three stages with low crush probably made it a lot easier to get cheap motors and wheels to a "higher" FPS. Less crush means less stress on the system, which means lower torque motors and looser tolerances on the FWs. Also, with three stages stacked up, even bargain-bin motors can get up to a decent FPS. And, again with that low crush, low torque motors don't sag when they're shooting at a higher ROF.
And from my standpoint, it's actually a great modding decision; a savy modder can just pull out the third stage and replace one or two of the remainder with better kit, then fill the gap with more barrel.
Overall, I'm not sure it's worth $150, even assembled as it is (though that does sweeten the pot a lot.) But it looks like an awesome platform to start with that gives the modder a very high ceiling to shoot for.
Thanks for your insight!
Maybe a dual stage flywheel cage instead? Not familiar with the internals but I doubt that the third stage is helping much with FPS.
Hopefully the Phoenix 2.0 has a slightly higher rate of fire (I still have hope for their screen and GUI that they hope to put into them)
Random question, what mag adapter/mag ,seat the darts more in the middle or back?
The performance is disappointing for it being three stage. However for me personally the biggest failings are the angled mags (when I already have many straight mags), and the mag release being right-handed.
While this blaster is pretty cool, I already have a Kestrel from Ansuzalgiz. I don't believe I personally have a need for this.
Since the cage is pretty tame crush I don't think they are going 3 stages for high FPS. There are bunch of chinese multistage Uzi sized blasters like this coming out recently I've been noticing.
I would definitely prefer being able to get just the shell
I think a meischel 2.0 for the pusher would make all of our dreams come true
Frick yeah I want just the shell. Forget the rest I already have all that lol
Very chonky, but I love the angled mags!!!
I was going to preorder on Amazon but since you guys are going to carry it I will wait till I can buy from you
When do you think they will be in stock?
Its a nice product, but a little late, in the way that there is already a UZI looking blaster out there, the Woozi, which i'd rather get instead of the Phoenix.
Epic 🔥
If only they can get the rate of fire higher or lower the price a bit then it would be a great blaster.
Just the shell? Hell yes! Isn't that what the community does with Hasbro anyway. Get something that looks nice then gut it.
As far as just wanting the shell I am thinking about getting this because its already soldered I don't like soldering after my stryfe project
Oh ok that's the phoenix that is actually something haha
Y u put such serious music in the intro lol, 😂 like ik it's a 160 fps nerf gun but idk I was like woaaahhh when it started, y so serious lol
I like thru grips, I have big hands.
I’m stuck between this and the modded 175 FPS Spectrum. The fact that this shoots half darts is a plus, but I don’t like the idea of buying totally new mags
at 1:12 can you see a rival drum mag toward the bottom left side?
No?
As a layman who doesn't know how to rewire blasters, I think this missed the mark for a few reasons. I don't want to buy a blaster with so many parts (triple stage) that could fail. With no personal ability to replace them myself and Worker being overseas, what happens when one of those motors fails? I'll stick to products by OOD and other US designers that can provide support to those of us that aren't electronic wizards.
Where i can get the Helios with drum? And can you review the drum?
Honestly the 3-stage confuses me a lot with this. I understand in terms of passing safety regulations and so on it would probably be a bad idea to ship it at higher velocities, and I understand worker would want people to know it can easily take 3 stages. However I can't help but feel they'd have been better off making it one-stage at close to 150fps and offering 2-stage and 3-stage kits for it from day one.
That fire rate is also pretty subpar ngl, esp with it being adjustable
Okay, I’ve been giving this a lot of thought, and now I have probably overthought it. Here it goes. After watching this video I think the Phoenix is marketed and designed very poorly. The $149 price is very well balanced for the amount of tech/performance your getting, but the blaster doesn’t hit any of the major marks in the hobby.
Firstly, it is underperforming for a multistage flywheeler. It should be hitting 200FPS easily with 3 sets of wheels. Therefore a performance based Nerfer will need to rip it apart and redo the internals. Making it a $149 shell - no good
Secondly, out of the box it is averaging 150FPS which is above the cap limits for HvZ players. Therefore an HvZ Nerfer will need to rip it apart and redo the internals - not good
Lastly it is so I accurate that if you take it to a club war you will either get sniped by a more accurate springer or mag dumped by someone with a more tunes up Flywheeler
So for me this is a real miss for Worker. They didn’t hear their product towards a specific demographic and landed in the middle. Anyone that has ever done high end sales will tell you - never aim for the middle, always try and over-perform. The only way for Worker to make this right for the two largest communities is to sell it is parts - Shell, Pusher, flywheels
Sorry for the long ramble. Like I said I might have overthought this one
Well thought out! Let's hope that shells are an option at a lower price point. The Brick-with-a-Grip has plenty of room for mods if we could only have the shells... - Perry
Just a follow-up - did you guys end up dropping in a new pusher motor? If so, how did it go? I'm thinking of picking one of these up and dropping a Rhino 130 in place of the pusher, hoping to get that top fire rate up around 15 darts a second. For an 'out of the box' blaster that max fire rate definitely needs improvement
It's not for me but I'm happy it exists.
I’d like to see one stage brushless.
I want one that's pre-soldered but with no motors and no wheels or cage. That includes no pusher motor.
Can you link to the reccomended batteries on your site?
Sure! Here you go: outofdarts.com/products/zippy-3s-2200mah-60c-lipo-pack-xt-60-connector?_pos=2&_sid=674cb269d&_ss=r
Marketing Gimmick
I suspect that they aren't even varying the speed/crush between each stage to take advantage of increasing momentum as the dart goes through each one...
Once again gonna mention the edge helios.
@user-iy2wb3jd4m Damn it's been 3 years already?
Wondering wether buying this on the shop or the DZP MK 3...
Check out our thorough review of the Mark-III in a couple hours, and we might be able help you decide!
Check out our thorough review of the Mark-III in a couple hours, and we might be able help you decide!
I can see someone is going to print an N Strike barrel lug to it.
Did anyone saw the rival drum mag next to the curve shot blaster?